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Chat => Sports, Hobbies & Motors => Topic started by: Pete on June 27, 2008, 20:48:57 PM
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Should pay road tax, say like £15 a year or something and they should have insurance and MOT too and you should need a license to ride one on the roads. k 9/10 cyclists are fine without any of these but then 9/10 people are fine using ladders without falling off and claiming 50k compensation.
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yeah they should piss off the road, and horses aswell.
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Oh come off it, why dont we ban everything that doesnt drink fossil fuels while were at it too?
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tbh Im still waiting for a real investment in cycle paths etc. Its too often the case where theres no cycle paths from major points of interest/residential/commerical areas and all the roads are busy and congested. At least where I live. Maybe when fuel gets too expensive and the number of cars on the roads starts to drop, the govt. will decide its losing too much money and bring in a bike tax "to pay for the cycle paths" haha...
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its not the actual things on the road that im bothered about, its the fact that it makes driving more dangerous.
a cycle or a horse cant keep up with the traffic and therefore makes cars have to go out of their way to avoid them, which can mean going onto the other side of the road and slowing down to dangerous speeds (e.g. 10-15mph in a 40).
horses do my head in even worse as not only do you have to avoid them like bikes but if you have the cheek to actually drive past them at anything more than idle engine speed they shake their fist at you, i make a point to floor it now, if the horse cant cope with engine noise then it shouldnt be on the road.
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Cycle paths are deadly.
When the roads arent busy, cars park in them illegally. When the roads are busy cars drive in them and ignore ASLs.
In all cases even with a cycle path, I ride on the road.
Cant keep up with traffic, maybe on dual carriageways or clear urban streets however around and about a city centre, I can guarantee Ill be reaching your destination before you get there.
You mean you have to overtake them deviance? :o shock horror.
When a horse jumps through your windshield or you kill a rider because you cause the horse to buck or perhaps in the worst case, you kill someone else behind you because you were a twat... I hope the police dont hold back.
FWIW... I have 3rd party cycle insurance up to 10 Million.
If you cant deal with other road users, you should stay well off of the roads. Stick to walking.
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Cycle paths are deadly.
When the roads arent busy, cars park in them illegally. When the roads are busy cars drive in them and ignore ASLs.
In all cases even with a cycle path, I ride on the road.
Cant keep up with traffic, maybe on dual carriageways or clear urban streets however around and about a city centre, I can guarantee Ill be reaching your destination before you get there.
You mean you have to overtake them deviance? :o shock horror.
When a horse jumps through your windshield or you kill a rider because you cause the horse to buck or perhaps in the worst case, you kill someone else behind you because you were a twat... I hope the police dont hold back.
FWIW... I have 3rd party cycle insurance up to 10 Million.
If you cant deal with other road users, you should stay well off of the roads. Stick to walking.
LOL like i said if the horse is so freaked out by cars (not a rare sight on roads, lets face it) then it should not be on the road.
also like i said you cant do 30 or 40+ mph so riding your bike on a road where the traffic would normally be doing those speeds is dangerous.
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Cycle paths are deadly.
When the roads arent busy, cars park in them illegally. When the roads are busy cars drive in them and ignore ASLs.
In all cases even with a cycle path, I ride on the road.
Cant keep up with traffic, maybe on dual carriageways or clear urban streets however around and about a city centre, I can guarantee Ill be reaching your destination before you get there.
You mean you have to overtake them deviance? :o shock horror.
When a horse jumps through your windshield or you kill a rider because you cause the horse to buck or perhaps in the worst case, you kill someone else behind you because you were a twat... I hope the police dont hold back.
FWIW... I have 3rd party cycle insurance up to 10 Million.
If you cant deal with other road users, you should stay well off of the roads. Stick to walking.
LOL like i said if the horse is so freaked out by cars (not a rare sight on roads, lets face it) then it should not be on the road.
also like i said you cant do 30 or 40+ mph so riding your bike on a road where the traffic would normally be doing those speeds is dangerous.
QFE:
If you cant deal with other road users, you should stay well off of the roads. Stick to walking.
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:disappointed: cant argue with a non driver.
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Cycle paths are deadly.
When the roads arent busy, cars park in them illegally. When the roads are busy cars drive in them and ignore ASLs.
In all cases even with a cycle path, I ride on the road.
bollocks, sorry but bollocks. left one, right one. bollocks. cycle paths are there for a reason.
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If you cant deal with other road users, you should stay well off of the roads. Stick to walking.
This, though obviously Pedestrians shouldnt be crossing roads, or walking on them when there is no footpath because it makes driving dangerous.
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Cycle paths are deadly.
When the roads arent busy, cars park in them illegally. When the roads are busy cars drive in them and ignore ASLs.
In all cases even with a cycle path, I ride on the road.
bollocks, sorry but bollocks. left one, right one. bollocks. cycle paths are there for a reason.
Yes... to spend councils budgets and ensure that they cant be held up as an example when it comes to promoting sustainable transport.
Cycle paths are there for cyclists to get killed on.
Cycle routes such as the national network of cycle routes... good idea. Cycle paths as in sections of pink tarmac... sh*t idea. "Because different colour tarmac is going to protect me from a car".
Id rather ride in the road as im entitled to do.
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:disappointed: cant argue with a non driver.
What do you class as a driver then deviance? Because last I checked I do drive a car. :drama:
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Cycle routes such as the national network of cycle routes... good idea. Cycle paths as in sections of pink tarmac... sh*t idea. "Because different colour tarmac is going to protect me from a car".
Id rather ride in the road as im entitled to do.
so, you drive along side the cycle path... out in the road.... instead of a foot to the left... in the cycle path ?
thats like saying you think its safer to drive along the white line in the middle of the road
:wtf:
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I cycle as per the guidelines set out in this book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cyclecraft-Skilled-Cycling-Techniques-Adults/dp/0117020516/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214610508&sr=8-2
Im not opposed to the space marked out by a cycle lane, I just dont treat the solid white line as my boundry. If im doing close to 30mph on a 30mph road, you can expect to see me in the middle of said road, regardless of the colour of the tarmac.
Otherwise, I ride a meter away from the kerb typically. I always pass vehicles on the right, even when filtering through traffic at a red light. Only idiots undertake... regardless if theres a "cycle entry to an ASL" section marked there.... its a stupid place to put it.
Edit: Just to eliminate confusion... road = lane in the above set of paragraphs.
Edit2: A perfect illustration of where I ride...
About 3 mtrs behind a vehicle, positioned around the left hand side of a numberplate. Any further left I risk being pinned in. If a car wishes to pass me, they can overtake me as any other road user. I am considerate however and if I notice a car stuck behind me (like on a country lane) I will happily pull over and let him pass when its safe.
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edited: decided to change the tone of my post....
if you overtake on the right (where drivers dont expect you to be) you risk being lost in there blind spot and them pulling out on you...
also, if youre behind a vehicles numberplate you again risk them not being able to see you, and they slamming the breaks on etc... which could be bloody nasty for you...
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You mean to say that motorists dont expect things passing them on their right? Youve spent way too long in america my friend.
Surely distance from the vehicle in front determines the likelyhood of crashing into someone if they slam the brakes on? Not road position. I completely dont follow your logic on that one.
3mtrs away is a complete guesstimate on my part however the distance I ride at is absolutely fine in traffic as it adjusts to suit the speed that im travelling.
If someone cant see me when I am positioned to the left of center of their car, then theyre either a panel/box van, or have no rear view mirror. If thats the case then I ride far enough back so I can see a mirror on their vehicle.
Ive yet to have an accident of my own doing with another vehicle. Ive fallen off cause I was doing something stupid (forgot to put feet down at lights for example), and Ive had an accident caused by an idiot driver who did a hit and run on me (Pulled out of a junction whilst I was riding past on a major road. I ended up on his bonnet, got off of the bonnet, and he sped off).
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no, what i mean is, motorists dont expect pedal bikes to pass them on there right....
Im pretty sure most other motorists are like me... if i see a (big) motorbike behind me I keep a close eye on it and expect it to go shooting past me at some point... he might disappear from your mirrors a dozen times, but you know hes there somewhere so you keep looking for him.... but i dont know anyone who watches for a pedal bike like this....
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I ride my bike wherer I can, and drive where I cant - when Im in my car Im endangered and inconvinienced a hell of a lot more often by car drivers than I am by cyclists.
If everyone cycled/walked/rode a horse more, and got out of their cars a bit I think the country would be a better place.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7478823.stm
Also, Id like to add this to the discussion.
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Cyclists should be forced by law to purchase insurance for road risks.
I had to follow someone 7 miles once to demand repairs to a car when they scraped up the side of it trying to squeeze by (coming off the pavement I might also add)
Ive also been hit by a cyclist before, but granted it wasnt that serious an accident.
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Bring back the man with a red flag in front of cars. 3mph only please.
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no, what i mean is, motorists dont expect pedal bikes to pass them on there right....
Im pretty sure most other motorists are like me... if i see a (big) motorbike behind me I keep a close eye on it and expect it to go shooting past me at some point... he might disappear from your mirrors a dozen times, but you know hes there somewhere so you keep looking for him.... but i dont know anyone who watches for a pedal bike like this....
Lorry drivers dont expect things on their left.
Its a darn sight more dangerous for a cyclist to pass traffic on the left than it is to adhere to the rules of the road and overtake.
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Bring back the man with a red flag in front of cars. 3mph only please.
What I find amusing is that according to wikipedia, pre-war cyclists were campaigning to make segregated "motor-only" roads. How times change. :)
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Lorry drivers dont expect things on their left.
Its a darn sight more dangerous for a cyclist to pass traffic on the left than it is to adhere to the rules of the road and overtake.
motorbikes yes, but not pedal bikes !
there should be room on the left for a cyclist to fit through most of the time.... like me, most people will, if they see a cyclist, leave room for them to get through the traffic (and thus, out of the way!)
also... Ive got a class 2 licence - making me a lorry driver.. the lorry driving lessons are pretty intensive, you spend most of your time looking in the morrors... you have to watch your mirrors every time you pass someone, every time someone passes you, every time you pass a T junction, every time you pass a parked car, every time you drive past a pedestrian (even the ones on the pavement) etc. etc. etc... miss an important one of them and you fail youre test on the spot...
but not once, have I ever heard of watching for cyclist passing on the right !
(unless at a junction etc.. where theyre turning right and youre going left of course)
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Selective vision is no defence in court.
If you as a class 2 licence holder are trying to persuade me that passing large vehicles on the left is a good idea, I think you need a retest mate.
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/death-by-lorry-in-the-spotlight-again-15267
http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/experts/mattseaton/story/0,,2039864,00.html
(http://www.singletrackworld.com/mod/submit/images/1219-4.jpg)
Seems to me going left is universally recognised as bloody dangerous, and that given the last photo Lorries are now even suggesting that going left is dangerous, and to pass on the right.
So as a class 2 holder yourself, which direction would you expect to be passed by cyclists... overhead perhaps? If right is out of the question and the sign on the lorry says left is too... were all going to have to fit wings to our bikes just to get past you.
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Bring back the man with a red flag in front of cars. 3mph only please.
At least cars are all insured (Hopefully!) And it was 4mph :p
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4mph :p
Steady now! no need for that sort of speed on the public road.
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Should pay road tax, say like £15 a year or something and they should have insurance and MOT too and you should need a license to ride one on the roads. k 9/10 cyclists are fine without any of these but then 9/10 people are fine using ladders without falling off and claiming 50k compensation.
I almost started a new topic on this cos I changed my mind.
They should have to pay £1000 road tax, only be allowed on the road between 11pm and 12pm on a friday night. They should be legal game - shotguns and beagles Im talking. And it shouldbe the legal right of any driver to run them over and claim the car-damage money back from the government by way of compensation, plus a reward.
Im sorry, but 9/10 cyclists dont know jack about roads and the highway code or anything, theyre a bunch of dangerous idiots who are too poor and hippified to own cars.
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Lorry drivers dont expect things on their left.
Its a darn sight more dangerous for a cyclist to pass traffic on the left than it is to adhere to the rules of the road and overtake.
motorbikes yes, but not pedal bikes !
there should be room on the left for a cyclist to fit through most of the time.... like me, most people will, if they see a cyclist, leave room for them to get through the traffic (and thus, out of the way!)
also... Ive got a class 2 licence - making me a lorry driver.. the lorry driving lessons are pretty intensive, you spend most of your time looking in the morrors... you have to watch your mirrors every time you pass someone, every time someone passes you, every time you pass a T junction, every time you pass a parked car, every time you drive past a pedestrian (even the ones on the pavement) etc. etc. etc... miss an important one of them and you fail youre test on the spot...
but not once, have I ever heard of watching for cyclist passing on the right !
(unless at a junction etc.. where theyre turning right and youre going left of course)
This might pain...
Metalhead is right on this, undertaking a vehicle can be dangerous, chances are the driver will not be able to see you easily and on a crossroads it is even worse.
On other traffic overtaking bikes, a vehicle driver should give a bike as much room as a car. Its not just the vehicle itself but the blast of air as it goes past.
And Ive seen cycle lanes with cars parked over them, their nearside wheels on the pavement. Unless the government (police) are willing to do something about this kind of misuse the situation isnt going to be getting any better.
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Should pay road tax, say like £15 a year or something and they should have insurance and MOT too and you should need a license to ride one on the roads. k 9/10 cyclists are fine without any of these but then 9/10 people are fine using ladders without falling off and claiming 50k compensation.
I almost started a new topic on this cos I changed my mind.
They should have to pay £1000 road tax, only be allowed on the road between 11pm and 12pm on a friday night. They should be legal game - shotguns and beagles Im talking. And it shouldbe the legal right of any driver to run them over and claim the car-damage money back from the government by way of compensation, plus a reward.
Im sorry, but 9/10 cyclists dont know jack about roads and the highway code or anything, theyre a bunch of dangerous idiots who are too poor and hippified to own cars.
A lot of cyclists do act badly but there should be a proper system of certification for them. Putting a £1000 tax on a bycycle would merely turn them into junk car owners, which means your chances of a nasty accident would go up and so would your fuel bill.
Actually a lot of the car drivers I have encountered are equally bad, perhaps a yearly test with a 5K licence and £20 a litre fuel tax for them too?
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Got bored of reading all the posts but my little addition is...
I have no problem cyclists being on the road in general but my problem is with the c**ts in the city who run red lights, ignore all road signs and are just dangerous. They bitch and moan they have just as much right to be on the road (without paying road tax I might add) yet ignore the rules of same road when it suits them.
Toughen up on them and problem sorted but how can you do that without making cyclists register their bikes so they can be caught on camera?
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Should pay road tax, say like £15 a year or something and they should have insurance and MOT too and you should need a license to ride one on the roads. k 9/10 cyclists are fine without any of these but then 9/10 people are fine using ladders without falling off and claiming 50k compensation.
I almost started a new topic on this cos I changed my mind.
They should have to pay £1000 road tax, only be allowed on the road between 11pm and 12pm on a friday night. They should be legal game - shotguns and beagles Im talking. And it shouldbe the legal right of any driver to run them over and claim the car-damage money back from the government by way of compensation, plus a reward.
Im sorry, but 9/10 cyclists dont know jack about roads and the highway code or anything, theyre a bunch of dangerous idiots who are too poor and hippified to own cars.
lol what happened?
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Think Dooms has got the balance right here. I think youve got to accept at least to a point that if everyone rode bikes the way Metal does (well says he does - Ive never seen him!) then in theory hes probably right. However at the same time Rich youve got to realise that the majority of bike riders are untrained and are dangerous. Most cyclists arent as serious about it as you or as careful. Im a good careful driver and have no problems being aware of cyclists - but that doesnt help every day when I have to find a way past a wobbling cyclist in the middle of the road in rush hour traffic.
I dont see the problem with identification on bikes for ID purposes so that the bad ones who give all cyclists a bad name can be punished, and I dont see why they shouldnt pay towards the up keep of the roads when cyclists always claim to have the same rights to be on it. Im not saying they should pay crazy amounts but a token payment from every rider would soon add up and would deter sh*t riders. If its really a serious and safe means of transport then make it so and invest in it.
As for passing on the left - I try and stay aware whats going on all around me before I move anyway so doesnt bother me. However on clear road you aint going to be overtaking me and in a queue I dont see why cyclists think theyve got a god given right to jump it anyway (again on a road they pay nothing towards looking after). If you want to go past thats fair enough - but frankly it should be at your own risk as theres nothing stopping you waiting like everyone else.
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I think cycle riders should be made to take a test. I dont think they should have tax though, the tax would be there for the upkeep of the roads. Which Cyclists dont really tear up the roads and doesnt cost that much money to repaint the "cycle lanes" onto the roads.
I think they should take a test as most of them are crap, dont indicate, are very erratic.
If I see a motorcyclist behind me and it disapears, I assume its in my blind spot, so check it, as always, before moving out of the lane.