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Chat => Sports, Hobbies & Motors => Topic started by: Pete on March 30, 2012, 18:12:29 PM
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Muppets :thumbdown:
Queued up 20mins to fill my car up on weds night, half hour last night to fill the company car. Prices have gone way up and i bet they wont come down. Today some of the local towns have run out completely.
List of muppets:
Cameron
The jerry can twit
The retards queuing up to put £16.51 in so they've got a full tank.
lorry drivers who get paid shed loads.
Unions
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Muppets :thumbdown:
Queued up 20mins to fill my car up on weds night, half hour last night to fill the company car. Prices have gone way up and i bet they wont come down. Today some of the local towns have run out completely.
List of muppets:
Cameron
The jerry can twit
The retards queuing up to put £16.51 in so they've got a full tank.
lorry drivers who get paid shed loads.
Unions
filled up company car on wed night? why not do that on company time?
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F..king dooshnozzles the lot of them.
Price of petrol at supermarket: £1.33.9 a litre.
Price of petrol at only place that has it around me: £1.46.9 a litre.
1. Anyone storing petrol in jerry cans or "topping up" should be shot... with a tank.
2. Garages raising the goddamn prices sky high should be shot... with a tank.
Bastards.
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They reckon enough profit will be earned on fuel this weekend to push the country up 0.1% GDP and technically out of a double dip recession.
Perhaps one of you City businessmen can confirm this. :P
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I don't need to travel anywhere, but as I was almost empty earlier I thought I'd fill up but lo and behold all four local petrol stations are emptied out and the price is up at 137.9 everywhere. So basically I can't use the car this weekend at all if I wanted to because of moronic, selfish knobbers. I hope more people start distilling petrol in their kitchens next to open flames.
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I don't need to travel anywhere, but as I was almost empty earlier I thought I'd fill up but lo and behold all four local petrol stations are emptied out and the price is up at 137.9 everywhere. So basically I can't use the car this weekend at all if I wanted to because of moronic, selfish knobbers. I hope more people start distilling petrol in their kitchens next to open flames.
Panic buy next time. :muttley:
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most of the stations near me are closed, fleet services out of diesel this morning.. wtf ppl! theres not even a strike or any disruption to supply.
Luckily the 530d has a decent range or i'd be in some trouble! I'll be reduced to not driving at all soon if demand doesnt reduce. Stupidly brought a crisis on without any actual problem! :roll:
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This is why it pays to have an economic car available, lots of miles per litre = long time between refills :ptu:
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Had to pay £1.51 yesterday for enough fuel to get me back to my house. Only fuel anywhere seems to be the Ultimate ranges.
Hopefully with the strike called off supplies will start to build up again before Easter.
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Bored to tears between refills more like
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I managed to fill the tank yesterday at Asda, the only reason I filled it too being that prices are set to rise even further £50 for about 35L is bad enough :disappointed:
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I pay £ 1.41533 a liter for diesel, quite steep :( that would be £ 49.5 for 35L.
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After spending a week in Europe I returned to find the "fuel crisis". Pretty annoying as my car was on its warning light before we left, leaving me no choice but to find fuel on Sunday to make sure I could get to work on Monday.
Of the 7 or 8 garages I drove past only one had fuel. They advertised it on their big price thing as 138.9 a litre, but when you began filling it was actually 146.9. I was sorely tempted to take some kind of photo showing the price difference in the same shot and then sending it to trading standards, pretty sure that was illegal.
After getting rid of the Mazda 3 which cost about £60 to fill and did about 320 miles, I ended up putting just over £50 in the Mazda 2, which supposedly will do ~450 miles to the tank. Would have been nice if it cost less to fill the first time :(
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After getting rid of the Mazda 3 which cost about £60 to fill and did about 320 miles, I ended up putting just over £50 in the Mazda 2, which supposedly will do ~450 miles to the tank. Would have been nice if it cost less to fill the first time :(
Mine costs about £70 to fill and I get ~250 miles.
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Mine costs about £70 to fill, and I get no more than 180 miles :lol:
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Of the 7 or 8 garages I drove past only one had fuel. They advertised it on their big price thing as 138.9 a litre, but when you began filling it was actually 146.9. I was sorely tempted to take some kind of photo showing the price difference in the same shot and then sending it to trading standards, pretty sure that was illegal.
you should have. then shat on his forecourt.
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Then poured petrol on and set fire to it.
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Out of interest, how much DOES it take to fill up everyones cars, from the warning light/empty, and how far does that get you? mpg figures are just all over the place I find...
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I was on the empty line in the MX5 when I filled up and I have the receipt here actually:
39.88L @ 138.7p = £55.31
Christ knows what mpg that gets me, I reckon I'm on around 200-250 miles per tank given that a a 50 mile round trip seems to use about a quarter of a tank.
So to visit Alan would be 3/4 tanks I reckon, which looks like around £150-£200 of petrol :o I need another veg oil burner!
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I was on the empty line in the MX5 when I filled up and I have the receipt here actually:
39.88L @ 138.7p = £55.31
Christ knows what mpg that gets me, I reckon I'm on around 200-250 miles per tank given that a a 50 mile round trip seems to use about a quarter of a tank.
So to visit Alan would be 3/4 tanks I reckon, which looks like around £150-£200 of petrol :o I need another veg oil burner!
Probably the same in trainfare!
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It's pretty telling when it's cheaper to get a 45 minute flight from Southampton than it is to drive up there!
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I get the bus, because I can't afford to learn to drive, let alone a car and all the rest of it.
No idea about how much that costs, but it cost me £300 in a bus pass, and I get the pleasure of being surrounded by old smelly people every morning and evening! (except the weekends, then it's just an old person ;))
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Best way to know ho much petrol you use, is to fill up until auto shut off note milage on meter (or use tripometer), drive, fill upp again to auto shut off and you will know how much you used, fuel gauges in cars are not very reliable.
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About £60 to fill my tank, usually takes a tank and a bit go from mine to Knighty's, my car rev's too high on the motorway.
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I have that problem, I discovered it's a symptom of what's been diagnosed as heavy right foot ;D
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80 liters in the sprinter tank so just over £110 a tank
which will get me about 4000 miles on the motorway
so a bit over 200miles to the gallon
(not accounting for all the veg oil I burn :p)
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as for a heavy foot making a difference...
my parents once borrowed my bm for a longish trip when there car was in for work... when they get back they were impressed it only cost them £45 in fuel... they were expecting it to drink it...
I did an almost identical trip a couple of weeks later... cost me £120 :(
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Anyone tried hypermiling, some of the techniques are well dodgy and no idea how people achieve 200mpg on unleaded engines but I've now got coasting into my parking spot down to a tee.
Just need to figure out the motorway driving pulse and glide bit.
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I think those people are embellishing quite a bit there with 200mpg. You can only coast so far and the engine is still running, if it was that easy to get mileage up I'm sure manufacturer's would program automatic cars to do this for a special 'economy' drive mode; they'd sell plenty. There's also a lot of situations where it's not safe or feasible to coast either.
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A lot of the 200mpg folk fit kill switches and turn off their engines to coast. Then let it bump start itself when they need power :/ seems dangerous to me so not going that far but have been changing it into neutral for the down hills.
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I have that problem, I discovered it's a symptom of what's been diagnosed as heavy right foot ;D
That can be cured with some minor experimental surgery. I'll just apply for a research grant for some amputation equipment and training then we'll be ready to see if it works! :twisted: :twisted:
They have found that some peeps respond well to a fairly simple sound circuit that goes off when the petrol use goes up. Use a minimum amount and it stays silent, use a little more and it starts beeping at you. Put your foot down and the thing screams. Drivers either learn to reduce their fuel use or they inactivate the system.
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I have that problem, I discovered it's a symptom of what's been diagnosed as heavy right foot ;D
That can be cured with some minor experimental surgery. I'll just apply for a research grant for some amputation equipment and training then we'll be ready to see if it works! :twisted: :twisted:
They have found that some peeps respond well to a fairly simple sound circuit that goes off when the petrol use goes up. Use a minimum amount and it stays silent, use a little more and it starts beeping at you. Put your foot down and the thing screams. Drivers either learn to reduce their fuel use or they inactivate the system.
Just learn how to drive, i don't suffer from a heavy right foot, i drive the 1.6 16v sxi its not geared up for motorway use and does rev to high.
A lot of the 200mpg folk fit kill switches and turn off their engines to coast. Then let it bump start itself when they need power :/ seems dangerous to me so not going that far but have been changing it into neutral for the down hills.
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I think you will find its also illegal as you are not in full control of the vehicle, perhaps someone else can confirm.
As for having a kill switch etc that is just plain stupid and these people should be removed from the road.
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A lot of the 200mpg folk fit kill switches and turn off their engines to coast. Then let it bump start itself when they need power :/ seems dangerous to me so not going that far but have been changing it into neutral for the down hills.
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I think you will find its also illegal as you are not in full control of the vehicle, perhaps someone else can confirm.
As for having a kill switch etc that is just plain stupid and these people should be removed from the road.
It depends on how you define control, you choosing to switch off the engine is fine, you're still in control so I would say not illegal per se.
What is not recommended is trying to do this sort of thing in an automatic geared car, you won't get any benefits and could wreck the drive train. On a car with power assisted steering it could be near suicidal if the kill switch stops that from working.
It is also not recommended to use coasting on a road with a lot of other road users as it will affect their driving. In that situation maintaining a steady speed is more important.
Reducing speed to match trucks will save quite a bit of fuel at a cost of a little time.
The important bit in control is to minimise distraction around you so you can concentrate on driving. Doing anything other than driving can be constituted as a distraction and thus reducing your control, so turning around to speak to kids in the back would definitely count, as would eating a biscuit or smoking a cigarette. You are also supposed to have both hands on the wheel, so keeping one hand on the gear stick and rowing through the gears could be an issue too.
Although at the extreme end of coasting it has been used to achieve MPG figures of 1,500 MPG and one team is supposedly attempting to achieve 2,000 MPG.
With automatic braking systems it is expected that lorries could drive safely very close to each other in a road train system. That would save fuel for the cars behind the first one. Similarly cars fitted with self drive systems could save by driving close to each other on motorways.
If you have to slow down then costing is better than braking later. Taking your foot off the accelerator and coasting towards junctions where you have to stop or when traffic lights change from green to amber or red will reduce consumption. Trying to time your arrival to the lights changing to green so you don't have to stop completely will also help. Steady acceleration away is better than putting your foot down hard.
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Control is reduced when coasting (neutral or clutch, not simply taking your foot off the accelerator), hence me saying its not advisable in some situations:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070304 (http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070304)
Doesn't look like its illegal, just not advised.
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Turning the engine off at all whilst driving is just madness, you'll lose power assistance on the steering on most cars, servo assistance on the brakes and the ability to accelerate out of danger.
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I've already mentioned power assistance, servo brakes would also be an issue. As for accelerating out of danger it depends on road conditions, there are very few instances when using it would make any difference. As with everything you have to go according to the road conditions.
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A lot of the 200mpg folk fit kill switches and turn off their engines to coast. Then let it bump start itself when they need power :/ seems dangerous to me so not going that far but have been changing it into neutral for the down hills.
I could be wrong, but don't modern engines pretty much inject no fuel in to the engine if you are going down hill and not touching the accelerator? If that is the case then keeping the engine running when in neutral would potentially use more fuel?
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fuel cut off on overrun yeah so leaving it in gear is better
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Not according to my mpg gauge. Does the same (shoots up to 0.4 gph rather than recording 99mpg) only no engine braking to slow you down quicker so you roll further
I think the reason they fit killswitches is to keep servo and assisted steering. No idea how they do it but they do.
I do the follow lorry speeds and also do the 2500rpm rule (typical 1.6 ltr petrol engines are most efficient around that point).
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I have that problem, I discovered it's a symptom of what's been diagnosed as heavy right foot ;D
That can be cured with some minor experimental surgery. I'll just apply for a research grant for some amputation equipment and training then we'll be ready to see if it works! :twisted: :twisted:
They have found that some peeps respond well to a fairly simple sound circuit that goes off when the petrol use goes up. Use a minimum amount and it stays silent, use a little more and it starts beeping at you. Put your foot down and the thing screams. Drivers either learn to reduce their fuel use or they inactivate the system.
Just learn how to drive, i don't suffer from a heavy right foot, i drive the 1.6 16v sxi its not geared up for motorway use and does rev to high.
A lot of the 200mpg folk fit kill switches and turn off their engines to coast. Then let it bump start itself when they need power :/ seems dangerous to me so not going that far but have been changing it into neutral for the down hills.
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I think you will find its also illegal as you are not in full control of the vehicle, perhaps someone else can confirm.
As for having a kill switch etc that is just plain stupid and these people should be removed from the road.
The modern driving test actually has a section called "eco driving". Candidates must show an ability to drive in an economical manner, basically reading the road ahead and instead of plowing up to red lights, slowly coasting in gear until they change to green.
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All this effort just to save a few litres per tank strikes me as mad, and some of these ideas aren't very sensible. If you really want to save money get an old diesel veg burner, then you can drive like you stole it and it doesn't matter, none of this arsing about watching guages and needles or caressing the accelerator, dropping into neutral, etc. At some point I'll probably get another one for long trips, then I've got the best of both worlds.
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Or just stop caring and work a bit harder :-)
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I work my arse off as is, sod lining the govt's pockets for nothing!
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All this effort just to save a few litres per tank strikes me as mad, and some of these ideas aren't very sensible. If you really want to save money get an old diesel veg burner, then you can drive like you stole it and it doesn't matter, none of this arsing about watching guages and needles or caressing the accelerator, dropping into neutral, etc. At some point I'll probably get another one for long trips, then I've got the best of both worlds.
Not really that much effort tbh. Lots cheaper than buying a veg oil burner and getting caught out by the tax man, also doesn't involve smelling like a chippy.
Simple tbh.
1. Smooth driving, look ahead (should be doing this anyway) and plan accordingly.
2. Use lorries to draft behind (not tailgate, but 300yds from a lorry and you'll still notice a difference)
3. Typical 1.6ltr petrol Engines are geared to be most efficient around 2.5k rpm. So when possible change gear accordingly.
4. Coasting out of gear appears to save more fuel than in gear coasting.
The rest of the crap they do (like pushing their cars out of parking spots) jack that in, but simple stuff like the above costs nowt and anyone can do.
Driving normally = 400 miles per tank.
Driving economically = 480 -> 500 miles per tank. Enough for a commute for one day. saving me 4 days worth of petrol in a month.
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I've yet to hear of anyone getting caught out by the tax man, they would have to be distilling thousands of litres in their shed - I've read of people filtering their own oil getting inspectors visits and they just take a look around, check there's nothing untowards going on, look at it all with honest interest then go away with nothing more said. Your average Joe will not get a second glance (you're allowed to use up to 3000L a year or something daft anyway!) so it's not like running red diesel. Also most veg oil burners are old diesels which cost nothing, I'm not sure where you got the idea from it would cost you more. The smell of cooking burgers is lovely, it made me hungry :lol:
There should really be another term for driving with your foot off the accelerator whilst in gear, because that is not coasting really... As you say though, people should be doing the first point anyway but all those things are common sense economical driving which you or I could easily do, in fact even on top of running a veg oil motor or perhaps LPG which is still cheaper and less hassle now there are more stations selling it. If you did switch I guarantee you wouldn't care about driving like that any more, trailing lorries with no visibility and all (which sounds like great fun in the rain especially). Personally, I enjoy driving and certainly do not want to change my habits and make every journey tedium to save 50 miles on a tank though.
When I had the BMW running veg I could get to Sunderland from Portsmouth in 5 hours or under and rinse a tank of fuel without a worry about how fast I was going. My average cost of fuel for a month whilst running on veg was about £10 thanks to knighty helping me, I literally saved thousands. Last summer I ran on neat veg for months, I didn't visit a petrol station for ages! I even got given about 5 litres of 15 year old 4-star by a mate and dumped that in the tank to mix with veg at one point.
Anyway my main point was I'm all for the common sense driving but some of the the stuff beyond that is mad compared to getting a more economical car (i.e diesel if you eat motorway miles) or running LPG/veg. Actually, the only downside really to veg I feel is that you do have to do some research and plan ahead a bit when using it to make sure your car will run okay and it's harder to find places to get the cheap, larger quantities of veg oil with prices going up because people are catching on that its quite lucrative now there is higher demand. But its still way cheaper than petrol or diesel and you're not giving half to the gov. I'd much rather do that or go LPG than all this econo-driving malarky, the people fitting kill switches and things are nuts. If someone is really struggling that much with fuel costs surely its worth thinking about a real switch in either transport or fuel?
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sitting behind hgv's at 55mph.. passs, its boring and dangerous, you cant see past them, if they anchor up or worse hit something you haven't seen and you are too close like most you'll cream into the back of it and that wont be pretty.. being bored behind it means you are less likely to notice it suddenly stopping as well.. not good. I certainly wouldn't be following one with blind faith that the driver is going to be ok.
I'll be in my 5 series ploughing past at 80 leptons (given the right conditions) in lane 3 looking miles ahead for signs of trouble and save myself 17 mins over 50 miles (life's to short to be sat behind the wheel for longer than needed and thats probably 25% quicker than at 55!)... plus it keeps you alert as things are happening, you are changing lanes, actually driving and being aware of whats around..
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That's not what I put. Google is already developing a self drive car, one that doesn't need a human at the wheel. In this case the system would be automatic, and not involve the nominal human driver at all. Each vehicle would measure the distance to the one in front, so each knows if it has to start braking. The trucks would also share data on conditions and the view of the road ahead, so if a cow wandered onto the road in front of the convoy they would all know within milliseconds.
Similarly if one vehicle had a component failure it would tell the others and they would take appropriate action. The driver could go to sleep, much extending the distance he could travel.
I certainly would not suggest someone ride the bumper of an articulated lorry, that would be plain dangerous, humans need time to react to changes in the conditions around them. That would not be the case with computer driven vehicles.
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sitting behind hgv's at 55mph.. passs, its boring and dangerous, you cant see past them, if they anchor up or worse hit something you haven't seen and you are too close like most you'll cream into the back of it and that wont be pretty.. being bored behind it means you are less likely to notice it suddenly stopping as well.. not good. I certainly wouldn't be following one with blind faith that the driver is going to be ok.
I'll be in my 5 series ploughing past at 80 leptons (given the right conditions) in lane 3 looking miles ahead for signs of trouble and save myself 17 mins over 50 miles (life's to short to be sat behind the wheel for longer than needed and thats probably 25% quicker than at 55!)... plus it keeps you alert as things are happening, you are changing lanes, actually driving and being aware of whats around..
I couldn't agree more! :ptu:
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sitting behind hgv's at 55mph.. passs, its boring and dangerous, you cant see past them, if they anchor up or worse hit something you haven't seen and you are too close like most you'll cream into the back of it and that wont be pretty.. being bored behind it means you are less likely to notice it suddenly stopping as well.. not good. I certainly wouldn't be following one with blind faith that the driver is going to be ok.
I'll be in my 5 series ploughing past at 80 leptons (given the right conditions) in lane 3 looking miles ahead for signs of trouble and save myself 17 mins over 50 miles (life's to short to be sat behind the wheel for longer than needed and thats probably 25% quicker than at 55!)... plus it keeps you alert as things are happening, you are changing lanes, actually driving and being aware of whats around..
I think you glanced at my post and didn't actually read it.
Note I did say "not tailgating". I can see what's ahead better than the man in the 3rd lane where everything is passing by in a blur.
Not only can I see whats ahead but because I'm reading the road ahead and anticipating the lorry's actions I am actually able to come to a stop well before plowing into it at 80 "leptons".
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I wasn't accusing you of tailgating but that doesnt mean people dont do it, some do it on purpose, others aren't aware that they are doing it. There was a mythbusters episode where they proved that drafting helped and they took it to the extreme.
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Could be doing 120 leptons and the stuff in front, miles down the road, where i'm looking for issues wouldn't blurr, its not the fast and the furious you know.. ;) 80 leptons in most cases I'm moving to lane to to let people past anyway!
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The outside lane of the motorway is the safest place because you avoid the dim witted, unsure and dangerous drivers that haven't got a clue sat veering in and out between the inner and middle lane (or more noticeably, sat hogging the middle lane for no reason). I've had whole journeys where I've not had to move back out of the outside lane except when the motorway is empty and just breezed past traffic. It's both the fastest and safest lane by far. All this talk people come out with of anything over 70mph being too fast/dangerous is utter bull, and Binary Shadow is right that you do concentrate and pay more attention. The simple fact is drivers are ill educted for motorway travel in the UK, I know a few people that are too scared to even drive on the motorway! I'm sure the German's all live in fear for their lives on the autobahn though :lol:
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Drove from Tjeckien through Germany and Denmark to Malmö Sweden in 12 hours doing 120-150 km/h most of the time :)
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I find the worst drivers are those on cruise control in the outside lane for no reason.
In particular those who doing an indicated 85mph believe they are going fast enough for anyone.
I call them the "enforcers". They're twats plain and simple.
Overtake and move the hell over, hardly difficult to fathom. If they are unable to do so without feeling that they are putting their lives in danger, they shouldn't be on the bloody roads.
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On autobahn it is very important to keep an eye on the mirror, there is allways someone driving faster than you.
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On autobahn it is very important to keep an eye on the mirror, there is allways someone driving faster than you.
People forget this while driving anyway, motorway or not, which is exactly the reason there are so many plonkers that simply sit in one lane oblivious to traffic coming up on them or around them. You should always be checking your mirrors and assessing traffic around you. :thumbup:
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On autobahn it is very important to keep an eye on the mirror, there is allways someone driving faster than you.
People forget this while driving anyway, motorway or not, which is exactly the reason there are so many plonkers that simply sit in one lane oblivious to traffic coming up on them or around them. You should always be checking your mirrors and assessing traffic around you. :thumbup:
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Interesting video, though they don't mention tax's:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00ys7vs
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I hired a motorbike in Fuerteventura yesterday and paid €1.10 per litre, thats about 88p at the current exchange rate. :p
Thats about what fuel cost here when I started driving 8 years ago.
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The outside lane of the motorway is the safest place because you avoid the dim witted, unsure and dangerous drivers that haven't got a clue sat veering in and out between the inner and middle lane (or more noticeably, sat hogging the middle lane for no reason). I've had whole journeys where I've not had to move back out of the outside lane except when the motorway is empty and just breezed past traffic. It's both the fastest and safest lane by far. All this talk people come out with of anything over 70mph being too fast/dangerous is utter bull, and Binary Shadow is right that you do concentrate and pay more attention. The simple fact is drivers are ill educted for motorway travel in the UK, I know a few people that are too scared to even drive on the motorway! I'm sure the German's all live in fear for their lives on the autobahn though :lol:
Most of the 'dim witted, unsure and dangerous drivers' I've been subjected to seemed to sit in the fast lane and treat the other two for undertaking purposes and cutting people up when leaving the motorway.
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It wasn't really worth resurrecting this thread for that, but I think your point would be more valid if you simply replaced 'dim witted, unsure and dangerous drivers' with 'sales reps'. ;D
I don't drive around in the day as that's when the morons are out in force. At night it is exactly as I described.
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Just got bent over twice at the forecourt. Had to fill both mine and the wife's car. Both 70 litre tanks :(
£1.40p/l and £1.47p/l :(
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Never checked the price but I just paid £81 to fill my tank up... :(
Dave.
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diesel 139.7 in my local asda.
guess petrol is about 5p cheaper
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Never checked the price but I just paid £81 to fill my tank up... :(
Dave.
That's what I'm doing now, looking at the price is just depressing, I need the petrol so in it goes! :gag:
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About £55 to fill my MX-5, not really noticed a price change lately but I barely drive anywhere at the moment, costs too much!
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I check because in the local area (<5 miles), prices can differ by up to 15p. It's only a small tank but it can still add up to an extra £5.
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About £55 to fill my MX-5, not really noticed a price change lately but I barely drive anywhere at the moment, costs too much!
I don't drive at all now, although I think that has more to do with nobody thinking I'm safe driving - especially not me.
My brother drives his little Fiat Panda 1.2 to work every day, filling it is fairly reasonable at about £30-40 and it sips the juice. £35 year road tax is a bonus.
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It costs me over £30 to drive from London to home (Cheltenham) now, so £60+ for a trip. I've done that for the last 4 weekends for various reasons.
Really starts to add up.
Interestingly I have a BP staff fuel card which gives me a (non) spectacular 3p off per litre. BP are almost always 3p more than the closest supermarket so I rarely use it.
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Going to be making a 300 mile trip to yorkshire this xmas, will be about a tank of petrol there and one back, so xmas is already £80 down :(