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Chat => Sports, Hobbies & Motors => Topic started by: Rivkid on February 21, 2008, 14:59:53 PM
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Ok my trusty Rover 414si has for the last 2 years had a problem with the electric windows. Something made a snapping sound once and the local garage just blocked them off which is a major pain in the ass. Its in the shop now for its MOT which its passed but has needed £276.00 worth of work on the brakes (ouch!) and the windows were going to cost £180.00 EACH just for the parts which when you add the labour is more than the cars worth. I cant continue without my windows so can anyone recommend a cheap solution for getting them working (no brick jokes please). I dont care how or if it costs me a couple of hundred quid - just bear in mind Im totally engineer stupid and can get lego wrong so complicated mechanics are a no no!!
Surely there must be a viable answer!!?
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1) go to the library and get a Haynes book of lies.
2) Strip out the door cards. A screwdriver and a £5 socket set from asda will do nicely I bet.
3) The mechanism should be fairly easy to see, get a torch and have a good look.
4) Poke stuff with a big screwdrivers and say hmmmm....
5) Report back.
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yea take the door card off and see if theres anything obvious wrong
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The mechanism has something snapped off. No idea what or what it does but the bloke showed it me at the time. The spare part was £180.00 to fix it but he just didnt want to do it so was basically adding a load of labour on to make it not worthwhile. As for opening it again and looking I wouldnt honestly know what to look for.
Im starting to think I might just have to put up with it for another year then change the car.
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Oh god.
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Oh god.
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Oh god.
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if your not prepared to look at report whats wrong like SDP said, what do you expect?
He said go look & report back.
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sh*t, you can buy another Old Banger for less than that with a ticket already on it.
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My oh god was about you taking apart your car to see whats wrong. I was there when we took apart xboxs! Ive seen the damage!
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I have to stick my oar into everyones threads to appear interesting even when Ive nothing helpful to say
fixed it for you :rofl:
Like I said the mechanisms boned - something has snapped. If I was to open it up and look again Id still come back and say "mechanisms boned - something has snapped" so theres genuinely nothing constructive I could get from doing this.
Im not trying to be a cock - Im just not comfortable messing around with my car - I just break things. If I dont have enough info for anyone to help thats cool - I just thought Id ask.
Appreciate the advice though chaps cheers.
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My oh god was about you taking apart your car to see whats wrong. I was there when we took apart xboxs! Ive seen the damage!
See - he knows the score!!
Its days like this I wish Shawn didnt hate my guts!!! I think he still reckons I shagged her dammit!
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sh*t, you can buy another Old Banger for less than that with a ticket already on it.
Which is why I cant justify what the garage wanted to fix it. The car itself is in great condition and runs like a dream so Id need to spend a good £500/£600 to better it in which case Ill make do for another year then change it.
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I know!
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Win!
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Which is why I cant justify what the garage wanted to fix it. The car itself is in great condition and runs like a dream so Id need to spend a good £500/£600 to better it in which case Ill make do for another year then change it.
Scrap yard is your friend, along with a mechanically minded mate who works for Beer. My old MK2 astra ones broke a few times in the ones i had (Common fault methinks). usualyl £20 from the scrapper, and half a day to remove and refit carefully. Mechanic would have done it faster, but i wanted to take my time and make sure it was right.
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I know!
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Win!
WTF?
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Yeah get a used door at the scrapyard and swap them.
Or have beer driven mechanic open it up take all but window out tie a flat strap to the bottom of window so you have something to pull it up with and when just tie it to something to hold it up :D
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what year 414 is it?
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what year 414 is it?
93/94
Id love to just switch the door but wouldnt I have issues with the central locking and need a second key?
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swap the barrel over
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barrel? Sorry - I know it must be frustrating!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ROVER-414-ELECTRIC-WINDOW-WINDER_W0QQitemZ370024177646QQihZ024QQcategoryZ10414QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
is this the damn thing theyre trying to charge me £180.00 for???
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He ment the barrel the key fits in (swap from old to new door)
Yes look like the whole assebly much cheaper used buy it and get someone to fit it for ya.
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£20-30 beats the price you were quoted
Then DEVIANCE will buy it off you. Hes probably already got an offer on
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I say get a haynes manual off ebay for about £5 and then get adventurous.
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I say get a haynes manual off ebay for about £5 and then get adventurous.
I good way to break even more parts ;)
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Right, heres what you need to do to fix it:
1) Buy a haynes manual (cheap off of ebay)
2) Remove the door card, as described in the above haynes manual.
3) Discover what bit is broken.
4) Drive to scrapyard, and repeat step 2 on a donor 400.
5) Remove a non-broken bit from the doner 400.
6) Repeat step 5 on your 400.
7) Do a reversal of step 5 and fit the working bit to your car.
I guarentee that you can acheive that in one weekend with a screwdriver set, socket set, and a methodical approach with a small amount of cash.
Trust me, Ive worked my way up from knowing absolutely nothing about cars and almost ruining my Mk1 R5 because I was too dumb to carry out routine maintenance, to being extremely confident with a set of spanners. There is no job I wont attempt on my Rover 45 now, Ill even be doing the cam and fuel pump belts at some time this year, which would have been unthinkable four years ago when I first started out.
Just allow yourself plenty of time and take a slow, methodical approach. Youll soon figure it all out.
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I have to stick my oar into everyones threads to appear interesting even when Ive nothing helpful to say
fixed it for you :rofl:
Like I said the mechanisms boned - something has snapped. If I was to open it up and look again Id still come back and say "mechanisms boned - something has snapped" so theres genuinely nothing constructive I could get from doing this.
Im not trying to be a cock - Im just not comfortable messing around with my car - I just break things. If I dont have enough info for anyone to help thats cool - I just thought Id ask.
Appreciate the advice though chaps cheers.
well how do you expect people to know whats broke if you cant explain/tell them what is broke, where its broke & what the broken thing looks like.
Its easy enough to take a door panel off, couple of screws & plastic pop-rivet things.. if you cant explain, take a picture.
next time buy a car with air con. you dont need to open windows then
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well how do you expect people to know whats broke if you cant explain/tell them what is broke, where its broke & what the broken thing looks like.
Its easy enough to take a door panel off, couple of screws & plastic pop-rivet things.. if you cant explain, take a picture.
next time buy a car with air con. you dont need to open windows then
I think Ive already answered this question and Im not repeating myself. Everyone else seems to be helping me a lot.
Oh yeah and air con doesnt help you with ticket machines and toll bridges.
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well how do you expect people to know whats broke if you cant explain/tell them what is broke, where its broke & what the broken thing looks like.
Its easy enough to take a door panel off, couple of screws & plastic pop-rivet things.. if you cant explain, take a picture.
next time buy a car with air con. you dont need to open windows then
I think Ive already answered this question and Im not repeating myself. Everyone else seems to be helping me a lot.
Oh yeah and air con doesnt help you with ticket machines and toll bridges.
He might suggest buying a convertible next ;)
Also, as well as the knowledge on here if you decide to do the repair on your own, if you get stuck you could always google "Rover 400 owners club" and therell be a forum with loads of followers who if you explain the problem and hopefully with some pics theyll be able to point you in the right direction :)
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well how do you expect people to know whats broke if you cant explain/tell them what is broke, where its broke & what the broken thing looks like.
Its easy enough to take a door panel off, couple of screws & plastic pop-rivet things.. if you cant explain, take a picture.
next time buy a car with air con. you dont need to open windows then
I think Ive already answered this question and Im not repeating myself. Everyone else seems to be helping me a lot.
Oh yeah and air con doesnt help you with ticket machines and toll bridges.
not really.... ive seen swap the door & barrel - your not comfortable to take of a felt covered panel off, then how the f00k are you going to change a door?
get a screw driver out, unscrew whatever is screwed in & then take the panel off. Look at whats broke. Look at what looks the same on ebay.
Post pics...
Or just take it the garage & hand your wallet over... or ask nicely at a local school that does motor mechanics or a bloke down the pub
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well how do you expect people to know whats broke if you cant explain/tell them what is broke, where its broke & what the broken thing looks like.
Its easy enough to take a door panel off, couple of screws & plastic pop-rivet things.. if you cant explain, take a picture.
next time buy a car with air con. you dont need to open windows then
I think Ive already answered this question and Im not repeating myself. Everyone else seems to be helping me a lot.
Oh yeah and air con doesnt help you with ticket machines and toll bridges.
He might suggest buying a convertible next ;)
Also, as well as the knowledge on here if you decide to do the repair on your own, if you get stuck you could always google "Rover 400 owners club" and therell be a forum with loads of followers who if you explain the problem and hopefully with some pics theyll be able to point you in the right direction :)
http://forums.mg-rover.org/
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wicked will have a look through those forums cheers. Ive got a few ideas now plus a couple of mates are going to help me out with some contacts who can help me get this done cheaply. Me and a mate are going to hit the scrapyards when Im back from France to try and get the parts then he knows a few people wholl do the fitting cheap so hopefully this will pan out ok. Dont mind paying for the labour its the new parts price I just cant justify.
Cheers to all for the help.