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Re:Rugby World Cup 2007 - France
Reply #30 on: October 17, 2007, 13:50:28 PM
Predictions.

mine are.

South A .3 trys, 3 conversion, 2 drop goals, 2 penalty, miss 2 = 33

England, 2 trys, 2 conversion, 4 drop goals, 1 penalty, miss 3 = 29

2 of the SA trys will be scored by, Bryan Habana – eight tries in this World Cup so far, so he has 2 big motives,

A. Beat Lomu,

B. Win the Cup.

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Re:Rugby World Cup 2007 - France
Reply #31 on: October 17, 2007, 13:56:09 PM
My prediction..

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Reply #32 on: October 17, 2007, 15:47:35 PM
My Prediction - No idea what the hell is going to happen... I thought Oz were going to win 2 weeks ago and France were going to win last weekend.... to continue in the tradition - I reckon SA will win.

Of course I want England to win.... and being a creature of habit I shall NOT be wearing my O2 England shirt, because everytime I do they lose. I will have no voice and a hangover the stuff that legends are made of on Sunday morn, I can tell yer :D

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Rugby World Cup 2007 - France
Reply #33 on: October 18, 2007, 10:40:31 AM
Cant see England turning over the Saffie tbh.

Against France they contained them until France ran out of ideas then relied on the abismal Wilkinson (on that day) to get them out of trouble. They certainly didnt look like scoring a bundle of tries.

They beat the Ozzies because they brutalised them up front and kicked into territory.

Niether of those things will happen again SA. They have the biggest, meanest pack in world rugby at the moment in my opinion. Sheridan has come on a long way technically from being the lump of meat he was when he first joined the ranks but I think hes going to struggle with the likes of Du Randt and Linde. England have shown already that if they get on the back foot up front they have nowhere to go to.

Wilkinson has proven hes fallible against France and going backwards hes been crap in the past.

Sakey, for all I rate him, will only likely see the ball as it flys past him in Habanas hands.

I only hope that we actually get a reasonable game out of it and not just a repeat of round 1, but I have to admit I have my doubts.

England have shown in the last 2 games that they can play together but its also the most English of traits to get all fired up over a couple of wins and then get properly worked over by a quality side. (In any sport)

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Reply #34 on: October 18, 2007, 11:02:51 AM
Karl Urban, Last time sheridon was on form he put one SA prop in hospital and the other had to go off and it went to uncontested scrums and SA props are not as good now.
The Backs are the key, they need to tackle well, kick better and not give room on the wings. The forwards will be on top and need to do their best to spoil the ball so it does not flow to the backs

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Reply #35 on: October 18, 2007, 11:18:53 AM
Last time he was on form....last time they met, South Africa took the England scrum apart.

Up front the South Africans are bigger and uglier than the England pack. One man does not make a scrum. Oz du Randt is old school scrummaging, hes got the style to overcome Sheridans meat.

Du Randt will play 50 minutes, by which time the game will either be over in South Africas favour or England will be playing on the back foot waiting for the 75th minute Johnny time.

I dont believe England can beat South Africa. I do believe South Africa can lose though.

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Reply #36 on: October 18, 2007, 11:43:14 AM
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Last time he was on form....last time they met, South Africa took the England scrum apart.

Up front the South Africans are bigger and uglier than the England pack. One man does not make a scrum. Oz du Randt is old school scrummaging, hes got the style to overcome Sheridans meat.

Du Randt will play 50 minutes, by which time the game will either be over in South Africas favour or England will be playing on the back foot waiting for the 75th minute Johnny time.

I dont believe England can beat South Africa. I do believe South Africa can lose though.

No england player turned up to that game and it was a different pack from what is playing now, squad was changed around after that
England pack is officially heavier

Think SA will win is cool but sticking to facts is always a good idea

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Re:Rugby World Cup 2007 - France
Reply #37 on: October 18, 2007, 12:33:33 PM
As Martin Johnson has rightly pointed out for the last two games, if were in the game at 60 minutes, we know how to win from there, and Id have a feeling well sneak it.

It was mentioned before the France game that the pack would need to step its performance up a level - for me thats true again this week, we must match the South African agression and put pressure on their set-piece. They looked far from comfortable at times in the Scrum against Argentina.

I have a feeling that the South Africans might just have peaked too early in this one and that theyll be straight out of ideas if they dont get early tries like the first game.

If we do win it, it will be possibly the most incredible sporting redemption ever, certainly that Ive ever witnessed.

For what its worth, IMO if Os is the best prop they can come up with these days, theyre going to struggle if Englands pack play well. Whatever happens in the scrum, Sheridans impact taking the ball over the gainline has been a massive help for England. Os is an old man, and wont keep up with the England pack round the park on our day.
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Reply #38 on: October 18, 2007, 13:07:31 PM
I reckon ball retention could prove key and turning over ball with Moody (and I would have preferred Rees over Corry for this) playing a vital role.

The 3/4s will really be tested and Cueto will need to be on form to snaffle Habana.

I also wondered if there was any test done on wings to see what times they clock in the 100m... I know Varndell and Sackey are pretty swift, but just wondered if this test has ever been carried out.

Our front row will have a huge chance to shine with Sheridan expected to give them a good going over, Regan doing what he normally does in talking them into submission as well as the raging bull getting stuck in.

Whatever happens this will be a landmark game, if SA win they will prove that they are at present pretty bloody good. If England win, this will put Lazarus and the phoenix to shame. We have the bloody mindedness but have we got the skill...

I shall be watching and no mistake, guv.

COME ON ENGLAND!!!

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Reply #39 on: October 18, 2007, 13:14:18 PM
its a one of game, where you cant make predictions.
England can give it to their forwards who can just  drive forward yard by yard & either make a breakthrough for a try, or get it within kicking distance for johnny. A slip, f**kup or loss of possesion could let Habana run through for  an easy try. S Africa also got someone more than capable of drop kicking the ball just as well as (if not better) than wilko.

Individual Errors is whats going to decide the game IMO.

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Reply #40 on: October 18, 2007, 14:49:00 PM
Well, according to my stats South Africa Pack down at 927Kg and England at 912kg.

However, as I said, I think itll either be all done by the 50th minute or England will be holding out for the win in the last 10 minutes again.

Sheridan is packing down against a bigger man (which Im not sure he has this WC, apart from the first match) so he will have to be technically great rather than brutal.

I dont call 2 changes a radical change to the pack, but perhaps itll make a difference.

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Reply #41 on: October 20, 2007, 22:14:11 PM
England fowards had South africa more or less for the whole game but we just gave them points, gave them at least 9. Only two valid attacks from south africa but they knew England could not penetrate from the backs and just waited for England to give them points :(

England did very well to get to the Final and winning it last time and Final this time is not bad considering they have been the worst world cup winners

But this says it all, in the world cup SA scored 33 tries, England 12, lol. Really they need to work on a game other then forwards doing well and then kicking it, they need to make the passes and make the runs and score TRIES! and something to work on.

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Re:Rugby World Cup 2007 - France
Reply #42 on: October 21, 2007, 10:05:00 AM


That be a try. gutted.

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Re:Rugby World Cup 2007 - France
Reply #43 on: October 21, 2007, 11:00:19 AM
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That be a try. gutted.

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The video ref had enough replays & angles to decide.

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Re:Rugby World Cup 2007 - France
Reply #44 on: October 21, 2007, 13:30:17 PM
....and he still got it wrong.

We saw the same pictures.  Thats not just an englishman saying it was a try because were english.

Regardless of that costly decision, Its not right to be bitter, SA did thoroughly deserver it and we should be left feeling proud.  Winners and Runner Ups on the trot.

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