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Chat => Sports, Hobbies & Motors => Topic started by: zpyder on July 20, 2009, 10:21:39 AM
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So, after a month or so, a black 08 reg Mazda 3 TS2 has turned up and the salesman has phoned to say itll be arriving today, and Ive booked a test drive at 4.
The problem is Id just about decided to go for an older TS2 because of the nature of my work and dirt track roads etc. However it doesnt hurt to go and have a look.
The other, bigger problems are:
They want £9995 for it.
And its done 17000 miles. In a year. Thats what my micra did in 2.5 years pretty much!
Im interested in what your thoughts are on this, what would be reasonable to knock them down on. The fact is Ive seen a private trade on Autotrader for another black TS2, 08 reg, and 14000 miles for about £8500, so the dealership is asking quite a bit. Obviously theyve bought this car in and want to make a profit. And as these cars are fairly uncommon in the scheme of things (sod all within a reasonable distance of here!) I think they know they will be able to sell it at that price.
Im thinking it wont hurt to try and get them to knock the price down say £500-£1000 (to which theyll likely say no), and failing this/including it, try and get some free services out of them, tax, or if it doesnt have an alarm fitted, get an alarm put on. Things which wont cost them as much as itd cost me.
The other main issue is that my contracts are 3-6 months, and I want to get a PCP deal, so they might not even be able to do it. Its why I didnt go for the private trade. Hopefully though I can use my parents as guarantours. They probably wouldnt care that I have the money to buy the car outright in shares, but want to keep the shares for the dividends (but the fact that the money is there if I am unemployed so I can keep the payments going!).
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I wouldnt expect them to knock the price down much... but you should definitely expect a full service and a years on it tax at the very least (or the value of the tax knocked off to save paperwork)
as a side note, if a car is advertised privately for 8500 I wouldnt expect to pay more than 7000... 7250 MAX!
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If I can get a roof/bike rack thrown in itd help sweeten the deal somewhat :D
Cheers for that info on the price, will be interesting to see what happens later!
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Id say just be patient, and come back on here with what deals theyre willing to do. Im sure some people will give their opinions
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As Edd says be patient, show interest but mention the price, the recession (jokingly) and dont seem too eager. Remember its a buyers market at the moment.
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Im eager but at the same time pretty sure I can walk away from this car given the fact that the day I was called about it, I had decided to go for an 06 reg ish car for £4k less, so Im not too eager to spend £4k more than I was going to. Unless they can do a good deal Im happy to keep going with my micra till another comes up. Feel sorry for the guy at the garage as I keep changing my mind about what i want every 5 mins. Newer...older..diff colours...diff models!
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Im eager but at the same time pretty sure I can walk away from this car given the fact that the day I was called about it, I had decided to go for an 06 reg ish car for £4k less, so Im not too eager to spend £4k more than I was going to. Unless they can do a good deal Im happy to keep going with my micra till another comes up. Feel sorry for the guy at the garage as I keep changing my mind about what i want every 5 mins. Newer...older..diff colours...diff models!
Thats why he gets paid for!
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As above.
Its a buyers market, and you know you are more than willing to walk away from it. Id suggest you could stand to get a very good deal out of this and if not, youve lost nothing :)
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You may struggle for finance... prob have to go in your parents name, rather than them as guarnator - Infact, you prob be better off looking at a bank loan & build up credit rating
there.
as for 17k in a year.... My current car is an 08, it passed the 17k mark months ago....
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You may struggle for finance... prob have to go in your parents name, rather than them as guarnator - Infact, you prob be better off looking at a bank loan & build up credit rating
there.
as for 17k in a year.... My current car is an 08, it passed the 17k mark months ago....
Aye, will have to wait and see. Ive had a credit card for the last year or so and have always paid off in full each month, but obviously Ive been paying peanuts. Will have to wait and see what happens, kinda decided if I cant get finance Ill leave it and go for an older car. The sand tracks Ive been driving down in my micra are badly eroded with a few sudden drops scattered about, so old car = sensible option tbh! Im kinda hoping that the bad practices that resulted in the economy being the way ti is will still be in play and they might offer me finance hehe. My contracts are such that in the current 6 month contract I should get enough to totally pay off the car (excluding tax etc) so hopefully given my wage/salary it might be doable.
Obviously some people drive an excessive amount, but the avg mileage for a car is about 9k from what I have heard, one more thing youre above average in Egg :P It has essentially done nearly 2 years worth of driving.
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17k in a year is nothing really, especially on a jap car
Jaimz :rock:
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Have you considered an HPI check on any of these cars?
It covers you incase of stolen/clone or other dodgy cars.
Plus you can check the recommended market value. So get a comparision with what the dealers offering incase its overinfalted.
www.hpi.co.uk
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i.e the 17k a year, if you do less miles on average per year, in 5 years it will balance itself out.
But i do understand what you mean, if i was buying a year old car id expect it to have either average or below average mileage, but just check used prices via parkers/ auto trader and make sure the dealers price reflects the higher mileage.
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why not get a jeep/truck/offroad 4x4 thing? perfect for marine biology or taking it offroad, etc. for the kind of things you seem to like doing.
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I briefly thought about it, but tbh if I needed something like that Id get whoever was employing me to provide it! I dont really like big cars (I drive a micra!) so a Mazda 3 is 1 step up for me.
HPI check was fine. Ended up getting them to throw in a free service and a roof rack, and add an extra £150 to the value of the micra, its not much but it was enough to get me to sign. Pick it up on Sat. Car is spotless with the exception of a small stone chip on the front, which they will sort out. The boot looks unused and has no scuff marks.
Now Im just paranoid when it comes to hand my car over they will find craploads wrong with it. The only things are minor - Spare keys buttons could do with replacing, radio LCD is going, and just a few dints and things that he saw. Hes not seen the key or the radio though...
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17k in a year is nothing really, especially on a jap car
Jaimz :rock:
He did say that now they reckon the avg is 12.5k miles a year, and the car is really 18 months old so it does work out as "average". The car drove absolutely fine though, shame about the driver being worried about trashing it when he didnt own it!
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omg you got so done mate is it too late to cancel?
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Been waiting long to say that? :|
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Sorry, nah I just thought extra £150 aint nothing if you look at in terms of monthly payments. Should never pay the screen price of a car.
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well, £250 if you count the roof rack. I know its a bit steep but at the same time I figured the chances of finding another TS2 in the area that new were remote. Ive spent the last month looking every other day almost and theres been a total of 3 I think! Monthly payment wise it works out as one less monthly payment.
At the end of the day I can afford it and its still cheaper than getting a new Mazda 3 TS2 by a fair bit!
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I briefly thought about it, but tbh if I needed something like that Id get whoever was employing me to provide it! I dont really like big cars (I drive a micra!) so a Mazda 3 is 1 step up for me.
HPI check was fine. Ended up getting them to throw in a free service and a roof rack, and add an extra £150 to the value of the micra, its not much but it was enough to get me to sign. Pick it up on Sat. Car is spotless with the exception of a small stone chip on the front, which they will sort out. The boot looks unused and has no scuff marks.
Now Im just paranoid when it comes to hand my car over they will find craploads wrong with it. The only things are minor - Spare keys buttons could do with replacing, radio LCD is going, and just a few dints and things that he saw. Hes not seen the key or the radio though...
Unless its a used car dealer they will probably ship the car straight to auction anyway, or they have someone buying stock regularly from them, so i wouldnt worry so much.
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Unless its a used car dealer they will probably ship the car straight to auction anyway, or they have someone buying stock regularly from them, so i wouldnt worry so much.
:stupid:
Even a used car dealer wont care about such a cheap car - especially when part exd against an expensive one.
When I part exd my Rover for the Punto they never even looked at it (that was a 2nd hand dealer). We removed the tax disk, stereo and my mate even had the floor mats out! Dont worry about it.
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You didnt do too bad, as long as youre happy thats what counts.
Pics, etc :)
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Cheers guys.
Something else I figured today is the fact that had I not noticed the small stone chip next to the number plate, they probably wouldnt have sorted it out, so I guess it works both ways, its up to them to check everything works, though I dont think I can make my self feel 100% guilt free as he did ask "everything else works ok?"...it does work ok, just not quite perfectly ><
Provided the trade goes ok on Sat I dont think I did too badly, as I got what I had expected to get for my car+ a little more, and now Ive thought about it, in a private sale I am guessing the potential buyer would try and knock the price below what I got on the grounds of the radio, spare key, etc.
At least theyre getting the phone holder as I CBA trying to unstick it from the dash ><
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the thing to remember is, the car is worth exactly how much you are/were willing to pay for it....
I remember a couple of years back going to buy a van i found in the auto trader and recognising the seller of it as a customer at work... bought it off him and a week later he came into the factory gloating to the guys working for me saying hed have knocked another 200 of if Id bargained a bit harder... kinda took the wind out of his sails when I told him I needed a van that day no matter what, Id have paid an extra grand if hed bargained a bit harder !
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I preferred the story about your dad running the van over the guys car with no insurance :mutley:
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lol, yeah, my dads really easy going... but its a good idea not to piss him off !
a few months after i bought the van above, the guy renting the unit next door parked in our parking space and when my dad asked him to move the guy told him to shove it.... so my dad chained it to the back of the van and dragged it down the street !
I just realised.... my dads done all kinds of crazy crap... but moans at me if I so much as look at someone the wrong way !
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Well the car is ace bar a few little niggles, one being sorted tomorrow (hopefully) and the other, will have to wait and see.
Main one was driving away from the dealership I noticed 2 chips in the windshield right in front of the drivers side. Then noticed that are are actually several other smaller ones in the middle and passenger side. How I missed it in the test drive I dunno, could be because of the rain! However the dealership has given me a card of the guy who does their windshield stuff and have said to him to bill them for any repairs, so not too fussed so long as it gets sorted.
With hindsight I should/could have gotten a new 3 TS2 for £3k more on 0% finance, in 3 years time when the PCP ends I might upgrade to a new model, presuming the car is still in equity.
EDIT:
1 niggle was me being a numpty and not realising the seats have pressure sensors.