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Re: Console wars: PS5 vs Xbox Series X
Reply #30 on: June 27, 2020, 16:18:27 PM
I had a bit of a look at the tech behind the new X-box and PS5. On paper the Xbox has more cores, but the PS5 runs them faster. Generally speaking you shouldn't be able to tell much difference in processing speed from that.

However, PS5 has a very fast SSD, and the tech in the pipe to use it. If everything pans out for them the games will effectively be no loading times for area transitions. Which means that will give them an advantage over the PC in that area too.

Overall though if you think it's worth it get both for exclusive games, otherwise consider the PS5.

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Reply #31 on: June 29, 2020, 01:45:59 AM
I had a bit of a look at the tech behind the new X-box and PS5. On paper the Xbox has more cores, but the PS5 runs them faster. Generally speaking you shouldn't be able to tell much difference in processing speed from that.

However, PS5 has a very fast SSD, and the tech in the pipe to use it. If everything pans out for them the games will effectively be no loading times for area transitions. Which means that will give them an advantage over the PC in that area too.

Overall though if you think it's worth it get both for exclusive games, otherwise consider the PS5.


Not quite correct.
They are basically the same AMD chipset with modifications. What you may have read with the cores is the clock rates are higher on PS5 but that is turbo. There is a smaller threshold for thermal throttling so that will slow down to less more often than not. So PS5 you may get full grunt for your first 15/30 mins gaming but then it will clock down. One of the reasons why the PS5 is soo big is because of the rumoured heat issues they have been facing internally.
The Xbox will run full tilt for longer. Digital Foundry did a bit on all this.
The SSD stuff more has come out with more of a breakdown on it. They are all but the same SSD. With Sony releasing the viable SSD list and information on what and how external drives would work along with their throughput process Sony has custom chipsets to control the data flow out of the SSD reducing a lot of latency. Very clever and one of the good decisions they made.
Microsoft have said they have some stuff as well there but not provided as much detail.

In terms of the GPU - they are basically the same on both consoles but Microsoft requested some different things and their GFlops are higher but nothing else really is known around that. There is talk that the xbox is also running a kind of discreet graphics chip that they are actually using to run Xbox OS/UI elements rather than the CPU or GPU.


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Reply #32 on: June 29, 2020, 01:46:43 AM
Overall though if you think it's worth it get both for exclusive games, otherwise consider the PS5.


But you are right there. I do not think you will be able to pull much from a game across PC and these consoles. It will all be about price, games and online service offerings.

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Reply #33 on: July 02, 2020, 17:03:10 PM
Seems the first one I looked at confused CPU and GPU a bit, they seem identical CPU but MS gives a bit more GHz boost. MS has 52 compute units to Sony’s 36 but in this part Sony's ones can run faster.

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The PS5’s drive is far faster, though. It is capable of 5.5GB/s data transfer, which turns into 8-9GB/s when compression is used. This does not slow the console down either, as there is hardware dedicated to decompression of this data. Microsoft’s Xbox Series X SSD is fast, and can use similar hardware-based compression, but its speeds are 2.4GB/s, or 6GB/s with compression.

As I said, if you hid the console on pure chip performance I doubt if anyone could tell them apart. And yes, I also suspect the PS is bigger due to heat issues.

And to be brutally honest I doubt if there will be that noticeable upgrade from the present consoles except for loading times.

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Reply #34 on: July 02, 2020, 17:51:19 PM
Sony have been promising seamless environment transitions and other things, which for me is a lot more impressive than pure numbers and graphical fidelity.

I don't think we are truly going to know how either behave until they hit the shelves and we see actual game performance on both consoles.

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Reply #35 on: July 03, 2020, 04:02:45 AM
Sony have been promising seamless environment transitions and other things, which for me is a lot more impressive than pure numbers and graphical fidelity.

I don't think we are truly going to know how either behave until they hit the shelves and we see actual game performance on both consoles.


Both will offer this. Both companies have said similar. I am guessing Sony's core in the software for developers will have something, Microsoft have already stated their XDNA supports better transitioning.
I think when you see Halo Infinite - The rumour of no loading open world see everything do anything if true may give everyone a better sense of games to come from both platforms.

As always though it will take at least 2-3 years before you will see games really pushing the consoles.


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Reply #36 on: July 03, 2020, 08:15:42 AM
Yeah both are saying similar things, I was just recalling what I saw from the PS5 releases as I've seen more of those than the Xbox ones.

Though Sony are also highlighting that the development curve has been flattened substantially so maybe it won't be as long this time around until we see the consoles getting pushed hard; I'd imagine MS have made leaps in that area too though I've not seen anything personally.

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Reply #37 on: July 06, 2020, 01:08:01 AM
Seems the first one I looked at confused CPU and GPU a bit, they seem identical CPU but MS gives a bit more GHz boost. MS has 52 compute units to Sony’s 36 but in this part Sony's ones can run faster.

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Both consoles use fast, custom NVMe solid state drives with their own custom controller hardware. And both systems are more advanced than what you’ll see in today’s laptops and desktops.
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The PS5’s drive is far faster, though. It is capable of 5.5GB/s data transfer, which turns into 8-9GB/s when compression is used. This does not slow the console down either, as there is hardware dedicated to decompression of this data. Microsoft’s Xbox Series X SSD is fast, and can use similar hardware-based compression, but its speeds are 2.4GB/s, or 6GB/s with compression.

As I said, if you hid the console on pure chip performance I doubt if anyone could tell them apart. And yes, I also suspect the PS is bigger due to heat issues.

And to be brutally honest I doubt if there will be that noticeable upgrade from the present consoles except for loading times.


I have seen both in this regard. THEY ARE greatly different. Both companies have shown current gen games not optimised loading and its a big difference. Optimised games that cross over plus new games will be even better.
The thing that seems to be the chatter is, as I said that 30 minutes gameplay and your PS5 starting to drop FPS etc where the Xbox would keep going.

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Reply #38 on: July 06, 2020, 01:10:16 AM
Yeah both are saying similar things, I was just recalling what I saw from the PS5 releases as I've seen more of those than the Xbox ones.

Though Sony are also highlighting that the development curve has been flattened substantially so maybe it won't be as long this time around until we see the consoles getting pushed hard; I'd imagine MS have made leaps in that area too though I've not seen anything personally.


While they are custom hardware it's a lot similar to PC again this generation. The talk is Sony's middleware they finally learnt a bit of a lesson and its far less cumbersome and complicated this time around.

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