Author Topic: do i get a PS3??? (Read 2602 times)

Dave · **Reply #15 on:** February 10, 2008, 23:45:23 PM

Re:do i get a PS3???

Reply #15 on: February 10, 2008, 23:45:23 PM

tis quite interesting though - the amount of hardware in these things is incredible - the PS3 is actually a complete bargain in terms of the hardware youre getting + it supports linux so developers can have a play around with it - Ive already heard of some quant/city types wanting to take advantage of it + there is a firm doing PS3 clusters:

http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/store/index.php?submit=software&submitimg[hardware][solutions]=1

link broken - just copy and paste it

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32 Node PS3 Cluster
A light weight but powerful cluster, ideal for the development of parallel, Cell optimized code. Seamless code migration to IBM Cell blades enables a smart, powerful upgrade path. This cluster offers a theoretical performance of greater than 5TF!

# Power Mac G5 Dual Processor 2.5GHz, 2GB RAM, 160GB HD, SuperDrive.
# 32 40GB PLAYSTATION®3s.
# 33 Cat6 ethernet cables.
# 48 port Net Gear 10/100/1000 Switch (1U)
# Yellow Dog Linux pre-installed.
# Y-HPC Cluster Construction suite pre-installed.
# Cluster Resources Moab cluster management suite, pre-installed.
# RapidMind Cell Development Toolkit, pre-installed.
# Mouse, Keyboard, Benq 19" Display.
# 20 Hours of technical support.
# Mercury MCF optimized Cell libraries --optional.
# HPC Racks, rack shelves, and power distribution --optional.
# Backup power (UPS) --optional.
# Storage system --optional.

Im guessing theyre taking advantage of the fact the consoles are sold at a loss in order to make money from the games - the PS3 does seem to be a serious bit of kit spec wise:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playstation_3_cluster

Serious · **Reply #16 on:** February 11, 2008, 01:41:23 AM

Re:do i get a PS3???

Reply #16 on: February 11, 2008, 01:41:23 AM

They did the same sort of thing with PS2s IIRC. Games machines are almost always sold below value and the manufacturers make up on games sales.

neXus · **Reply #17 on:** February 11, 2008, 02:00:56 AM

Re:do i get a PS3???

Reply #17 on: February 11, 2008, 02:00:56 AM

thing is, the ps3 is overly complicated and hard to program even after a years use and so people in terms of linux and extra stuff not really touched bar using the cell chip as a number cruncher, and Sony is pulling away for the chip for such reasons and cost and manufacture issues as well - Just to complicated and to much is the problem and that has effected the games, not enough, many with issues, still looking the same or worse then the 360 with the odd expection in up and coming games but such games delayed a few times and a little way to release.

Could have been a great machine but as I have said in other threads Sony is the one that is screwing it up and leaving a bold idiot in charge of it

Beaker · **Reply #18 on:** February 11, 2008, 02:08:00 AM

Re:do i get a PS3???

Reply #18 on: February 11, 2008, 02:08:00 AM

Quote from: Serious

They did the same sort of thing with PS2s IIRC. Games machines are almost always sold below value and the manufacturers make up on games sales.

they invariably lose money for the 1st 12 months with the early adoptors. However the PS2 was making Sony MILLIONS a week on the hardware sales right until before the PS3 came out. In fact it is still selling pretty well, in some countries its outselling the PS3. IIRC the only company to ever make a conscious decision to sell a games console at a loss was SEGA, and look what it did for them.

neXus · **Reply #19 on:** February 11, 2008, 02:18:02 AM

Re:do i get a PS3???

Reply #19 on: February 11, 2008, 02:18:02 AM

Quote from: Beaker

Quote from: Serious
They did the same sort of thing with PS2s IIRC. Games machines are almost always sold below value and the manufacturers make up on games sales.

they invariably lose money for the 1st 12 months with the early adoptors. However the PS2 was making Sony MILLIONS a week on the hardware sales right until before the PS3 came out. In fact it is still selling pretty well, in some countries its outselling the PS3. IIRC the only company to ever make a conscious decision to sell a games console at a loss was SEGA, and look what it did for them.

Well M$ are a massive loss on hardware but it hardly does a dent on there money being the richest company in the world just about, bill gates is about $60 billion (I mean wtf you could never get closed to spending that, nice to see him giving so much into charities though) and they failed to buy Yahoo with an initial bid of billions on billions as well
M$ has a bottomless pit of money to burn it is stupid and tbh Sony is doing alight and recovered from profit margins at the end of the year but they are still in the sh*te a bit and really struggling to compete with M$ especially since Nintendo did an amazing job on a cheap crap teck machine making huge cash

Beaker · **Reply #20 on:** February 11, 2008, 03:00:37 AM

Re:do i get a PS3???

Reply #20 on: February 11, 2008, 03:00:37 AM

Quote from: neXus

Well M$ are a massive loss on hardware but it hardly does a dent on there money being the richest company in the world just about, bill gates is about $60 billion (I mean wtf you could never get closed to spending that, nice to see him giving so much into charities though) and they failed to buy Yahoo with an initial bid of billions on billions as well
M$ has a bottomless pit of money to burn it is stupid and tbh Sony is doing alight and recovered from profit margins at the end of the year but they are still in the sh*te a bit and really struggling to compete with M$ especially since Nintendo did an amazing job on a cheap crap teck machine making huge cash

I dont think they are losing a massvie amount of money anymore, if at all. The Bill Of Materials on first release came in at $525 (About £350 at the time?). That will have come down as production setups cost got covered, and they started buying larger amounts of components. Its also highly likely the 65nm chips in the newer consoles are also giving much higher yields that the older ones. Add in the fact that storage has dropped massively in price, the cost of RAM and the fact ATi will no doubt have discounted the now outdated GPU. Youre looking at a much lower cost to produce the console than origionally. I would estimate the actual production cost it now about the same as the sale price, though I would be inclined to say that the production cost is _slightly_ higher than the sale cost, but not 1/3rd more.

neXus · **Reply #21 on:** February 11, 2008, 03:33:16 AM

Re:do i get a PS3???

Reply #21 on: February 11, 2008, 03:33:16 AM

Quote from: Beaker

Quote from: neXus
Well M$ are a massive loss on hardware but it hardly does a dent on there money being the richest company in the world just about, bill gates is about $60 billion (I mean wtf you could never get closed to spending that, nice to see him giving so much into charities though) and they failed to buy Yahoo with an initial bid of billions on billions as well
M$ has a bottomless pit of money to burn it is stupid and tbh Sony is doing alight and recovered from profit margins at the end of the year but they are still in the sh*te a bit and really struggling to compete with M$ especially since Nintendo did an amazing job on a cheap crap teck machine making huge cash

I dont think they are losing a massvie amount of money anymore, if at all. The Bill Of Materials on first release came in at $525 (About £350 at the time?). That will have come down as production setups cost got covered, and they started buying larger amounts of components. Its also highly likely the 65nm chips in the newer consoles are also giving much higher yields that the older ones. Add in the fact that storage has dropped massively in price, the cost of RAM and the fact ATi will no doubt have discounted the now outdated GPU. Youre looking at a much lower cost to produce the console than origionally. I would estimate the actual production cost it now about the same as the sale price, though I would be inclined to say that the production cost is _slightly_ higher than the sale cost, but not 1/3rd more.

This is true hence the better results at the end of last year as I said but it is the ratio of the drop to the games being sold which should be on the up and up but it is not and Sony also (well some of them) that quite a lot of ps3s sold are only being used as Blu-ray players and their bu-ray players are not selling very well as a result.

Ms coked up on a few points:

HD-DVD right away as standard and use that for gaming would have got the hd war really going
Power brick is a bit stupid
Heat issues

Bar that tbh you have to say they been good with the 360 for the most part

Sonys list of issues is as long as my leg and all down to them and them alone cocking things up

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