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Title: Gaming PC Build
Post by: XEntity on March 11, 2019, 15:02:07 PM
Hi All, I've not built a PC for a very long time.. probably a good 10 years+, today I have a laptop, HP MicroServer and a couple of Raspberry Pi's.. so apart from updating the micro server to a Xeon and a laptop SSD upgrade I have not touched the inside of a PC..

I fancy building a system to play some games.. I don't want to spend silly money and don't want bleeding edge 4K @ 60FPS

I'll get an SSD and have a couple of decent monitors (1920 x 1200) and peripherals..

But I have no idea where to start on CPU / Graphics.. if anyone has any suggestions or site they can point me to?

Is around £500 realistic for CPU, Mobo, Graphics, RAM, Case, PSU? Or am I dreaming.. like I said.. I have no idea anymore!

 

Title: Re: Gaming PC Build
Post by: Binary Shadow on March 11, 2019, 17:50:24 PM
tried pcpartpicker?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Build
Post by: XEntity on March 11, 2019, 17:57:35 PM
tried pcpartpicker?

Nope, will give it a look now.. so out of the loop on these things I think I may need to downgrade my nerd status..
Title: Re: Gaming PC Build
Post by: Binary Shadow on March 11, 2019, 18:00:55 PM
PCPartPicker part list (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/YkgRP3) / Price breakdown by merchant (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/YkgRP3/by_merchant/)

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1 GHz Quad-Core Processor (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/TX4NnQ/amd-ryzen-3-1300x-35ghz-quad-core-processor-yd1200bbaebox)  (£67.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/sfcMnQ/asrock-ab350m-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-ab350m)  (£80.98 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Patriot - Viper 4 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/vgJkcf/patriot-memory-pv416g300c6k)  (£91.19 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6 GB GT OCV1 Video Card (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/TrGj4D/msi-geforce-gtx-1060-6gb-6gb-gt-ocv1-video-card-geforce-gtx-1060-6gt-ocv1)  (£189.99 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/ZHmxFT/fractal-design-focus-g-black-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-focus-bk-w)  (£43.33 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: EVGA - 500 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/XCjG3C/evga-power-supply-100w10500kr)  (£42.41 @ Aria PC)
Total: £515.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-11 17:59 GMT+0000

have thrown this together but tbh I'm a bit rusty myself, could try posting on linus tech tips build forum
Title: Re: Gaming PC Build
Post by: XEntity on March 11, 2019, 18:35:09 PM
Cheers..

I assume the Rizen 3/5/7 are the i3/5/7 equivalents?

In which case, is the below combo better a decent jump for the increase in cost?

PCPartPicker part list (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/qPmpvn) / Price breakdown by merchant (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/qPmpvn/by_merchant/)

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/jLF48d/amd-ryzen-5-2600-34ghz-6-core-processor-yd2600bbafbox)  (£145.99 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: *Gigabyte - B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/hpRzK8/gigabyte-b450m-ds3h-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-ds3h)  (£64.94 @ AWD-IT)
Memory: *Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/wZ22FT/corsair-vengeance-lpx-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3000-memory-cmk16gx4m2d3000c16)  (£86.67 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: *PowerColor - Radeon RX 580 8 GB Video Card (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/rKgzK8/powercolor-radeon-rx-580-8gb-video-card-axrx-580-8gbd5-3dhdv2oc)  (£179.99 @ AWD-IT)
Case: Thermaltake - Versa H18 Tempered Glass MicroATX Mini Tower Case (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/dgndnQ/thermaltake-versa-h18-tempered-glass-microatx-mini-tower-case-ca-1j4-00s1wn-01)
Power Supply: *SeaSonic - G 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/DPCwrH/seasonic-power-supply-ssr550rm)  (£66.65 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £544.24
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-11 18:26 GMT+0000

Edit: Just realised I'm also missing the case cost in this instance.. Still I guess is it worth the extra cost?
Title: Re: Gaming PC Build
Post by: Serious on March 11, 2019, 18:42:38 PM
tried pcpartpicker?

Nope, will give it a look now.. so out of the loop on these things I think I may need to downgrade my nerd status..

I think we are all suffering from that a bit. Finally got to drooling over component lists myself. Despite everything I have some money I need to spend.

At 1080P it doesn't seem to matter too much what graphics you have, 1060 is fine. My temptation would be to go for a Ryzen 2600X gen2 which would blow your budget.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Build
Post by: Binary Shadow on March 11, 2019, 18:54:09 PM
I don't think you can directly compare the intel/amd chips like that but the amd is usually more bang for buck.

the 500 budget was really tight
Title: Re: Gaming PC Build
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on March 12, 2019, 06:44:13 AM
Keep your eye on www.hotukdeals.com too as often some real hardware bargains come up, especially on HDDs.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Build
Post by: XEntity on March 12, 2019, 11:02:50 AM
Cheers all, will put a few alerts on HUKD.. and spend a bit of time looking at some reviews and getting up to speed.. but PCPartPicker has helped greatly and gives me a decent idea of where to be looking!

If 500 is tight I would spend a bit more if the jump was worth it..
Title: Re: Gaming PC Build
Post by: matt5cott on March 12, 2019, 12:44:53 PM
It's worth noting that the Ryzen onboard graphics are fairly competent, even last years 2200/2400 were surprisingly good -> https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-ryzen-3-2200-g-ryzen-5-2400g-review
Title: Re: Gaming PC Build
Post by: XEntity on March 12, 2019, 13:06:32 PM
It's worth noting that the Ryzen onboard graphics are fairly competent, even last years 2200/2400 were surprisingly good -> https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-ryzen-3-2200-g-ryzen-5-2400g-review

That's interesting, I might give that a go in the first instance then, if it turns out to be rubbish then I can always upgrade at a later date..

The below comes in at 16p under budget (with an SSD)  ;D Need to do a bit more research on each of the components, as really it's just been thrown together for an estimate.. but at least a starting point.. thanks all for your help so far!

PCPartPicker part list (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/vyqLRJ) / Price breakdown by merchant (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/vyqLRJ/by_merchant/)

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/jLF48d/amd-ryzen-5-2600-34ghz-6-core-processor-yd2600bbafbox)  (£145.50 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: *Gigabyte - B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/hpRzK8/gigabyte-b450m-ds3h-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-ds3h)  (£64.94 @ AWD-IT)
Memory: *Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/wZ22FT/corsair-vengeance-lpx-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3000-memory-cmk16gx4m2d3000c16)  (£86.58 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/6yKcCJ/samsung-860-evo-500gb-25-solid-state-drive-mz-76e500bam)  (£78.95 @ AWD-IT)
Case: Thermaltake - Versa H18 Tempered Glass MicroATX Mini Tower Case (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/dgndnQ/thermaltake-versa-h18-tempered-glass-microatx-mini-tower-case-ca-1j4-00s1wn-01)  (£57.22 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: *SeaSonic - G 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/DPCwrH/seasonic-power-supply-ssr550rm)  (£66.65 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £499.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-12 13:02 GMT+0000
Title: Re: Gaming PC Build
Post by: Binary Shadow on March 12, 2019, 19:26:00 PM
might find this helpful for ryzen without gpu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5FiwITzm3M
Title: Re: Gaming PC Build
Post by: matt5cott on March 12, 2019, 22:29:05 PM
might find this helpful for ryzen without gpu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5FiwITzm3M
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor (https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/jLF48d/amd-ryzen-5-2600-34ghz-6-core-processor-yd2600bbafbox)  (£145.50 @ Aria PC)

https://www.amd.com/en/ryzen-5

The ruddy 2600 doesn't appear to have the vega graphics, infact no graphics on chip at all  :dunno: :roll:
Title: Re: Gaming PC Build
Post by: neXus on March 13, 2019, 01:36:13 AM
tried pcpartpicker?

Nope, will give it a look now.. so out of the loop on these things I think I may need to downgrade my nerd status..

I think we are all suffering from that a bit. Finally got to drooling over component lists myself. Despite everything I have some money I need to spend.

At 1080P it doesn't seem to matter too much what graphics you have, 1060 is fine. My temptation would be to go for a Ryzen 2600X gen2 which would blow your budget.


I was recommended the Ryzen 2600X gen2 - No regrets there. As a note - if you do not plan to try crazy overclock and do not buy a board with good voltage modifiers then the standard version is cheaper and still does the business from what I read online.

In terms of graphics card - I have friends with Radeon but TBH most games still optimize well for nVidia first. Also depends on your monitor and what sync tech it has but a 1060 will still be on max settings and above 60fps for most games UNLESS you have an UltraWide where a 1080/TI will be better.

I am not sure on the new RTX cards without ray tracing that are supposed to be the new 1060's. Mixed views on those. I think people still saying either new or second hand 1080/TI from ex mining is better.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Build
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on March 13, 2019, 06:30:21 AM
The new raft of underperforming nVidia cards should be pushing prices down on the older models now, so I'd leave buying your graphics card until last, you can probably get a bargain on a 1070/1080
Title: Re: Gaming PC Build
Post by: XEntity on March 13, 2019, 14:08:41 PM
might find this helpful for ryzen without gpu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5FiwITzm3M

Yeah came up in my YouTube feed last night.. :)

The ruddy 2600 doesn't appear to have the vega graphics, infact no graphics on chip at all  :dunno: :roll:

Good spot cheers! I think I might go for a separate GPU and push the budget a little more..

I was recommended the Ryzen 2600X gen2 - No regrets there. As a note - if you do not plan to try crazy overclock and do not buy a board with good voltage modifiers then the standard version is cheaper and still does the business from what I read online.

In terms of graphics card - I have friends with Radeon but TBH most games still optimize well for nVidia first. Also depends on your monitor and what sync tech it has but a 1060 will still be on max settings and above 60fps for most games UNLESS you have an UltraWide where a 1080/TI will be better.

I am not sure on the new RTX cards without ray tracing that are supposed to be the new 1060's. Mixed views on those. I think people still saying either new or second hand 1080/TI from ex mining is better.


The new raft of underperforming nVidia cards should be pushing prices down on the older models now, so I'd leave buying your graphics card until last, you can probably get a bargain on a 1070/1080

Cheers, the 1080ti blows the budget anyway even second hand at the moment, but will look at the 1060 instead of the RTX perhaps.. and maybe wait to see what happens..



Title: Re: Gaming PC Build
Post by: Binary Shadow on March 13, 2019, 18:26:15 PM
very little game support for RTX anyway I believe, still too new
Title: Re: Gaming PC Build
Post by: neXus on March 14, 2019, 06:04:29 AM
very little game support for RTX anyway I believe, still too new


Full Ray Tracing still seems to heavy as well. What Metro has done is used it for in regards to DLSS to good effect.
But yeah, the cheaper version or just a 1080 will still do you well for the most part for some time still.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Build
Post by: XEntity on March 15, 2019, 09:49:47 AM
So the Ryzen 3000 series chips should be out sometime in the next 3 months, so it's probably worth waiting to see what pricing these come out with and then see what happens with the GPUs at the same time.. it would be nice to have a system before then, but probably more sensible to wait for the extra benefit..
Title: Re: Gaming PC Build
Post by: XEntity on March 15, 2019, 11:29:42 AM
Just looking at cases.. I'm thinking of spending a little extra here and get something that can handle future upgrades and looks good..

I was thinking MATX, but TBH I don't need the small size and and I think it will give me more options then..

I was thinking this, as they also have easy water cooling upgrades and great cable management, but open to options..

https://smile.amazon.co.uk/NZXT-Tempered-Supports-MicroATX-Motherboards/dp/B07D7H5T57/ (https://smile.amazon.co.uk/NZXT-Tempered-Supports-MicroATX-Motherboards/dp/B07D7H5T57/)
Title: Re: Gaming PC Build
Post by: EricDet on March 26, 2019, 12:33:49 PM
Are you planning on getting into water cooling? If you are, I think that's a solid choice.
Title: Re: Gaming PC Build
Post by: XEntity on March 27, 2019, 21:34:07 PM
Are you planning on getting into water cooling? If you are, I think that's a solid choice.

No it's a liquid choice
Title: Re: Gaming PC Build
Post by: knighty on March 28, 2019, 16:29:47 PM
I used to get expensive cases, not really sure why... my nephew bought a £20 case... and it's awesome, bought myself one on my next upgrade

I thought it was an NZXT make like the one you posted above (but googled it and can't see the one I have)... I've text my nephew to see what he says
Title: Re: Gaming PC Build
Post by: Serious on March 31, 2019, 00:31:13 AM
Are you planning on getting into water cooling? If you are, I think that's a solid choice.

No it's a liquid choice

Fluidity is always good in computer driven environments, until you get a leak. :ptu: