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Reply #135 on: September 11, 2011, 22:28:39 PM
The eSATA option would definitely be the last resort. Thats the beauty of the unRAID system, I may purchase 3 x 2tb drives to begin with and add more as and when I need them.

Thing is, for the price of two extra drives I could then set up freeNAS with RAIDz. That would give me better peformance than unRAID due to striping and decent data security via the parity drive, similar to unRAID.

Hmmm, its such a tough decision. I'll probably have to hide all this from the missus anyway.

unRAID needs a minimum of 3 drives to work right? So to get 2 more when I'm buying the 3 isn't as bad I suppose. Either way I'm gonna incur a large cost. What hard drives would you guys recommend?

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Reply #136 on: September 11, 2011, 22:51:09 PM
You can start off with 1 drive, or 1 drive and a parity drive. For each new drive you add it simply rebuilds the parity. Or you can skip having a parity drive altogether, but then obviously you won't have any protection!

Just remember the free version only allows up to 3 drives (2+parity I think), but this is alright as it gives you a chance to test it out before throwing drives at it.

Only the write speed on unRAID is low, the read speeds are excellent. You can add a cache drive to improve write speeds (people with microservers tend to put the cache drive on the eSATA, a 2.5" SSD is good for this). Personally I'm happy to sacrifice write speeds to have the data protection, I'm not sure how well I'd trust other RAID types after reading some of the horror stories of failed rebuilds and collapsed arrays.

Re: HP Proliant Microserver
Reply #137 on: September 11, 2011, 23:07:09 PM
do you guys really need the security of the parity drive ?

I'm assuming these are just going to be full of music/films ?  (aka stuff you could easily replace)

even if you back your other computers up to it.... you'll have a copy on your computer and on the micro server....

if it's really important stuff... just copy it to more than 1 disk ?

the only time I've ever had a drive fail on me was when I was rebuilding a pc gave myself an electric shock, dropping some wires, which fell onto my drive which was out on the floor putting 240v through it :s

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Reply #138 on: September 11, 2011, 23:52:31 PM
Drives do eventually conk out for no reason though, I've RMA'd enough of them to know. I figure for the sake of losing one drive, you have a backup for many Tbs of data. It may not all be important data (after all, RAID is not a backup solution, its just part of one so all your important data should still be duplicated/triplicated) but in terms of having a bit of redundancy so if one of your drives does go pop you don't lose any data, it's worthwhile IMO. That's what makes it a more practical solution to regular RAID, which really is only looking practical when you're using 0 or 1. RAID 5 at home is risky business and RAID 6 is too costly by any measure. RAID 10/0+1 isn't widely supported but would be better than RAID 5 for home use I reckon.

I don't know if I mentioned it before but each drive can be pulled out and read individually in Windows, which means the parity drive is really a kind of clever backup drive for all your drives that doesn't directly affect them.
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Re: HP Proliant Microserver
Reply #139 on: September 12, 2011, 00:40:20 AM
but..... what does it matter when they're going to be full of "stuff you've downloaded" and can download again anyway ?


since I stopped saving stuff... my storage drive has about 50gig on it... a backup of important stuff, and then a few programs
(150gig total if you add games)

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Reply #140 on: September 12, 2011, 04:34:13 AM
You know how slow my connection is  :lol:

Like I said, some of the stuff I doubt I'd be able to backup from disc again :tinhat:

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Reply #141 on: September 12, 2011, 13:24:31 PM
yeah.... but how much is there that you can;t get again ?  I bet it's only a small percentage of what you have saved/stored...

if so... why not just copy that stuff over 2 different drives ?

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Reply #142 on: September 12, 2011, 13:38:28 PM
I do that already, but I'd rather have an extra degree of protection across all my data. I think for the sake of e.g. one 3Tb HDD it's worth it to protect up to 15Tb of data (assuming 5x storage drives in the server).

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Reply #143 on: September 12, 2011, 16:50:49 PM
For me I'd be using it to store home videos of my kids and all of the photos that come along with them. Whilst I will be creating backups somewhere else this will offer added local protection to those files so I wont have to spend ages downloading them all unless something goes seriously bad. For example my wife's aunt has just lost 2 weeks worth of photos from holiday, most of which my wife wanted to keep. It weighed in at just under 5gb. Add my missus' obsession with photos of the kids. I estimate the current lot of irreplaceable data could maybe hit 50gb.

I also have music that I spent a lot of time ripping. I've actively searched in the past for some of the artists I like and haven't managed to find them. Again that means it could be a pain to lose them.

Backing up all that with the notoriously bad upload speeds we get in the UK means a long bloody time to get it all to the new storage. Its all about convenience for me.

Clock'd, have you checked unRAID works with 3tb drives? I think I read it doesnt currently.

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Reply #144 on: September 12, 2011, 18:55:43 PM
The latest beta does, it should be going full release imminently I think. I'm in no rush, I don't have the money for a 3Tb drive yet!

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Reply #145 on: September 12, 2011, 20:36:42 PM
Ah ok, well I need to buy the thing still. Quidco is paying me £60 in a few days so I might order it and pay through paypal once that comes.

As an aside, anyone know of a decent service for hosting backups? If not I may speak to a relative and stick a cheaper NAS in their house which I'll be able to access remotely. Set up some kind of automated backup.

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Reply #146 on: September 15, 2011, 22:19:32 PM
Another double post!

Are there any hard drive manufacturers around to avoid? The last time I bought hardware everyone was going mad about IBM Deskstars if I remember rightly. I finally ordered the server and crescent went from having 900 in stock yesterday to none today so I went with Ebuyer. Either there was a massive rush or a sink hole appeared right under their warehouse in the Microserver division.

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Reply #147 on: September 15, 2011, 22:32:24 PM
The only models to really avoid are the Western Digital 2TBs, which have some kind of power up/down issue. Other than that all the manufacturers are pretty even. just wait for the cheapest price to come up, e.g. Aria SuperSaver, Scan DOTD, etc.

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Reply #148 on: September 27, 2011, 11:31:16 AM
I'm generally sticking to the Samsung 2TBs but thats becuase I've never had issues with them *touch wood*

I'm hoping the 4x I have at the moment will last (both in hardware and in disk usage) until 4TB's come out at a reasonable price and then I can replace 2TB's with 4TB's as I need.

Oh and I dont know if it was mentioned in the last couple of pages but the MicroServer £100 cashback offer is still going: http://www8.hp.com/uk/en/campaign/proliantmicroserver/offer.html
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Re: HP Proliant Microserver
Reply #149 on: September 28, 2011, 12:22:53 PM
Another question...

What is the noise level like during playback when compared to something like a Xbox360 ? I'm trying to decide whether to actually use it as my HTPC and move my Revo to the bedroom or have the Server in the loft.

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