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Title: Intermittent WiFi connection
Post by: Mr-Two on March 20, 2006, 10:16:08 AM
Hi guys.

I am currently having some connectivity issues with my Home wirless setup. It only seems to be whilst I am using my Work laptop and not other wireless devices, i.e my brothers and GFs laptops.

I have a Netgear WAG511 PCMCIA card in the HP compaq nx9005 laptop. And the wireless router is a Netgear WGT624. I have now configured it to MAC acess and taken off the WPA-PSK authentication, as this seemed to cause even more breaks in the connection!

Any thoughts/ideas would be greatly appreciated?!

Cheers
Andy
Title: Intermittent WiFi connection
Post by: Christopher Monkey on March 20, 2006, 13:32:04 PM
A knackered WiFi card in the laptop! Try a different WiFi card if you can get your hands on one
Title: Intermittent WiFi connection
Post by: maximusotter on March 20, 2006, 15:07:06 PM
That card has a very common chipset and should have very few problems. "Should" is the operative word here. Try pulling it and cleaning the connections with a pencil eraser, and reinstalling. If that doesnt work, Id try a new/different card.
Title: Re:Intermittent WiFi connection
Post by: M3ta7h3ad on March 20, 2006, 16:23:43 PM
Get netstumbler on your computer and give a good scan around your area with a different wireless card.

I had the same issue turned out my neighbour had set a wireless G network up on the same channel as mine. I set mine 3 channels away from him (meh.. little illegal in the uk, but pfft...) and voila.. perfect connection.
Title: Re:Intermittent WiFi connection
Post by: brummie on March 20, 2006, 16:25:49 PM
Quote from: M3ta7h3ad
Get netstumbler on your computer and give a good scan around your area with a different wireless card.

I had the same issue turned out my neighbour had set a wireless G network up on the same channel as mine. I set mine 3 channels away from him (meh.. little illegal in the uk, but pfft...) and voila.. perfect connection.


Whats illegal about that???
Title: Re:Intermittent WiFi connection
Post by: soopahfly on March 20, 2006, 17:12:24 PM
Hey andy!

Theres your problem right there.  Its netgear.

I have terrible problems trying to get the PCMCIA card working properly on my mums laptop, she can be sat next to the AP and still get a crap signal.  On my Acer I get full signal all over the house and out at the car.

The USB sticks seem a bit better, but I find Linksys and D-Link give a better range.
Title: Re:Intermittent WiFi connection
Post by: soopahfly on March 20, 2006, 17:13:39 PM
Also, if theres a space inside for a mini PCI card (with an aerial lead) I have a spare card you can have.  The card slot should be just underneith a screw door on the bottom.
Title: Re:Intermittent WiFi connection
Post by: Mr-Two on March 20, 2006, 19:13:43 PM
Reckon Ill have a go at changing the channel before buying a new card. Thanks for the suggestions people. Kepp em coming :-)
Title: Intermittent WiFi connection
Post by: maximusotter on March 20, 2006, 19:18:24 PM
The chipset on that card is an Atheros, which is in a lot of the cards out there including the one in my desktop.

I would steer clear of buying anything Netgear in the future as it took me four letters to get my rebate check from them, then I got a check that the bank refused to honor. Their routers are absolute crap though. The wireless cards are simply silkscreened "Netgear" and as good as anything else.
Title: Re:Intermittent WiFi connection
Post by: brummie on March 20, 2006, 19:18:47 PM
To me it sounds like a signal problem,

Do you use the same device for them all?
If not try changing them over. You may find the cards transmitt/recieve is crap
Title: Re:Intermittent WiFi connection
Post by: M3ta7h3ad on March 20, 2006, 20:25:58 PM
Quote from: brummie
Quote from: M3ta7h3ad
Get netstumbler on your computer and give a good scan around your area with a different wireless card.

I had the same issue turned out my neighbour had set a wireless G network up on the same channel as mine. I set mine 3 channels away from him (meh.. little illegal in the uk, but pfft...) and voila.. perfect connection.


Whats illegal about that???


im using channel 11 I think which is outside of the 2.47ghz unregulated band for general use and slightly into the military and emergency service band I believe. You can only use certain channels in certain countries. In fact some wireless equipment ask you to specify your country of operation and will disable the channels that are illegal in your country.
Title: Re:Intermittent WiFi connection
Post by: brummie on March 20, 2006, 20:27:29 PM
Quote from: M3ta7h3ad
Quote from: brummie
Quote from: M3ta7h3ad
Get netstumbler on your computer and give a good scan around your area with a different wireless card.

I had the same issue turned out my neighbour had set a wireless G network up on the same channel as mine. I set mine 3 channels away from him (meh.. little illegal in the uk, but pfft...) and voila.. perfect connection.


Whats illegal about that???


im using channel 11 I think which is outside of the 2.47ghz unregulated band for general use and slightly into the military and emergency service band I believe. You can only use certain channels in certain countries. In fact some wireless equipment ask you to specify your country of operation and will disable the channels that are illegal in your country.


Chanel 14 is illegal but UK is ETSI so upto channel 13 is ok
Title: Re:Intermittent WiFi connection
Post by: maximusotter on March 20, 2006, 20:30:35 PM
Quote from: M3ta7h3ad


im using channel 11 I think which is outside of the 2.47ghz unregulated band for general use and slightly into the military and emergency service band I believe. You can only use certain channels in certain countries. In fact some wireless equipment ask you to specify your country of operation and will disable the channels that are illegal in your country.


(http://www.corpuschristiairport.com/images/g4/triennial-fire.jpg)
Title: Re:Intermittent WiFi connection
Post by: Mr-Two on March 20, 2006, 22:13:01 PM
My bro uses his Sony Vaio and my GF uses a Dell laptop. They bth have onboard Wrieless cards and have no problems.

Ive just checked The Netgear wireless utility on my work HP laptop and the transmit/recieve performance meter reads around 1% !!!

....Arrrrrgh   :(

Might pay you a visit Soopah to check this mini PCI theory of yours out!  :D

Real pain with this is that its not even my laptop!!!!!! :thumbdown:
Title: Re:Intermittent WiFi connection
Post by: soopahfly on March 21, 2006, 20:15:40 PM
They dont have to know ;)
Has working at lynx taught you nothing??
Title: Re:Intermittent WiFi connection
Post by: M3ta7h3ad on March 21, 2006, 20:31:24 PM
Quote from: Mr-Two
My bro uses his Sony Vaio and my GF uses a Dell laptop. They bth have onboard Wrieless cards and have no problems.

Ive just checked The Netgear wireless utility on my work HP laptop and the transmit/recieve performance meter reads around 1% !!!

....Arrrrrgh   :(

Might pay you a visit Soopah to check this mini PCI theory of yours out!  :D

Real pain with this is that its not even my laptop!!!!!! :thumbdown:


Sorry I didnt make it clear. It is dependent on your card.

Orinoco Gold = didnt cope well even with different channel, it picked up too much noise (poor SnR).

Netgear card = the replacement card, coped fine with it (SnR ratio is better)

Seriously, get hold of another card and do a scan around your house. You could be suffering interference from a neighbours network.
Title: Re:Intermittent WiFi connection
Post by: M3ta7h3ad on March 21, 2006, 20:35:32 PM
Quote from: maximusotter
Quote from: M3ta7h3ad


im using channel 11 I think which is outside of the 2.47ghz unregulated band for general use and slightly into the military and emergency service band I believe. You can only use certain channels in certain countries. In fact some wireless equipment ask you to specify your country of operation and will disable the channels that are illegal in your country.


(http://www.corpuschristiairport.com/images/g4/triennial-fire.jpg)


Yeah... if there is a emergency in the local area within the footprint of my wifi setup (which doesnt reach the front of my house). Then there would be a problem.

To be honest I havent checked what channel it is, but I believe I was breaking the law.

WIFI channels are set up so that 3 channels away from each other = the minimum interference. > 3 = interference from the higher up channels, < 3 = more interference from the lower channels. So if his scans come up true, either add 3 to it, or subtract 3 from it.

Also... DECT phones are bastards for screwing up wifi transmission. Make sure your phones are set on an appropriate channel if possible.
Title: Re:Intermittent WiFi connection
Post by: brummie on March 21, 2006, 20:38:28 PM
Quote from: M3ta7h3ad
WIFI channels are set up so that 3 channels away from each other = the minimum interference. > 3 = interference from the higher up channels, < 3 = more interference from the lower channels. So if his scans come up true, either add 3 to it, or subtract 3 from it.

Also... DECT phones are bastards for screwing up wifi transmission. Make sure your phones are set on an appropriate channel if possible.


Its usually 5

Channels 1, 6, 11 are the only ones that dont have any overlap
Title: Re:Intermittent WiFi connection
Post by: M3ta7h3ad on March 21, 2006, 20:54:35 PM
Actually its 3.

(http://ilmukomputer.com/berseri/onno-wifi/html/ch-13-design-wlan-man_files/image006.jpg)

Every 3 channels = a lull in interference from neighbouring channels.

More info: http://ilmukomputer.com/berseri/onno-wifi/html/ch-13-design-wlan-man.htm
Title: Re:Intermittent WiFi connection
Post by: brummie on March 21, 2006, 21:00:51 PM
Did you actually read it or just look at the pic???


Quote
For better separation or due to regulation restriction, one may choose three (3) orthogonal channel sets, namely,

 

            Channel 1         2412 MHz

            Channel 6         2437 MHz

            Channel 11       2462 MHz
Title: Re:Intermittent WiFi connection
Post by: soopahfly on March 21, 2006, 21:10:38 PM
Im quite clued up on this sort of problem, many of my own customers have reported poor range with the netgear PCMCIA cards, regardless of channel, and my Acer laptop always gets a good signal at their sites.
Title: Re:Intermittent WiFi connection
Post by: M3ta7h3ad on March 21, 2006, 23:06:42 PM
Quote from: brummie
Did you actually read it or just look at the pic???


Quote
For better separation or due to regulation restriction, one may choose three (3) orthogonal channel sets, namely,

 

            Channel 1         2412 MHz

            Channel 6         2437 MHz

            Channel 11       2462 MHz


I never disputed 1 6 11, I said that if you are 3 channels away from your interfering neighbours network, you will be experiencing the minimum interferance from him. I was disputing your "5" bollocks. Which was quite rightly well disputed, because it was as it turns out... bollocks. :)
Title: Re:Intermittent WiFi connection
Post by: brummie on March 22, 2006, 08:26:58 AM
Channels can overlap as much as 5. Thats why you try to use either 1, 6 ,11

or if you need more them 3 max to keep intereference to a minimum.
Title: Re:Intermittent WiFi connection
Post by: Mr-Two on March 22, 2006, 09:52:06 AM
Hi guys

I get the same problem regardless of which channel I set my router to use. I also get the same problem at work, using 3 different cards (though all 511s!)

I recon that it could be an incompatibility issue between this card and the model of laptop.

Ill be getting in touch soon Nathan to try out your spare mini-PCI if thats still ok?!

Regards :-)
Title: Re:Intermittent WiFi connection
Post by: soopahfly on March 22, 2006, 11:55:28 AM
Sure is matey.
Title: Re:Intermittent WiFi connection
Post by: Mr-Two on March 22, 2006, 17:01:06 PM
Hi people.

Worked it out, and it is a compatibility problem. Ive borrowed the USB NetGear Wireless adapter from work; from what we call the PC MOT kit :-)

It worked fine at work and is now working smooth and nice in the comfort of my Bedroom. Lovin it :-D

Cheers for all of the suggestions :)
We got there in the end...and you should all treat yourselves to a biscuit as a way of patting yourselves on the back!  :mrgreen:

L8rs guys...