Hes backed up his sh*t. Im yet to see anything backing up your "sh*t".

Pot painting the kettle black.

M3ta7h3ad lol you noticed the date on your link?

knighty Waste of time arguing with them :x  
The same trolls come out every time RAID0 is mentioned and say exactly the same things every time!!!
Then totally dismiss other forum users positive experience with RAID0

Wonder how many of then have actually used RAID0 in real life to come to that conclusion, rather than read it off a website    

Its a FAQ. Regardless of date, the FAQ was based on the fundamentals of the technology as laid out by the standard. They wont change. Granted item specific stuff may change but not the fundamentals such as which each layer of raid does.

M3ta7h3ad lol you noticed the date on your link?

knighty Waste of time arguing with them :x  
The same trolls come out every time RAID0 is mentioned and say exactly the same things every time!!!
Then totally dismiss other forum users positive experience with RAID0

Wonder how many of then have actually used RAID0 in real life to come to that conclusion, rather than read it off a website    

Yes I have used it, I did do various tests - there were occasions where it was quicker and some things were slower. Yet the "benchmarks" showed it was tons faster. In general usage I noticed no difference until it slowed down.

So yes, I do have actual experience.

My full time job is as a sysadmin for a leading SMS aggregator (nothing to do with crazy frog, clients range from tech companies to tv networks). I maintain DB servers that handle millions of queries a day, get your RAID setup wrong and it can seriously affect performance.

knighty: Ive backed up my info with reading material, its up to you to make your decision based on that. If you think im "covering my argument up with rubbish" then please point out the rubbish and Ill gladly either back it up or retract. I have no issue with either.

Cornet

Ive used both

I used to run RAID0 but its too prone to failure.
I then went to RAID 10 and then 5 but wasnt impressed.
I now run a permanent RAID1 system. I like my data secure i even have spare disks on my shelf ready for a failure.
RAID1 is decent enough because your data is safe "hardware wise" and it has a slight increase in throughput due to the chip being able to read from each device if one is busy. (EDIT: writes are not slowed down as wrote in a previous post)

RAID0 is definately the fastest and less secure of all the RAID setups.

Apologies for this thread getting out of hand. I was far to broard with my statements.

I still stand by my statement that RAID 0 is just hype for a desktop PC and that benchmarks prove nothing.

But too clarify and finalise:
Compaired to a single disk:

RAID 0
Will be faster for some things (when reading/manipulating large files)
Will be around the same for most things.
Will sometimes be slower for some things (e.g. when you deal with lots of small files and your stripe size is wrong)

RAID 1
Will be about the same for writes
Faster than RAID0 for most reads (isnt this what your PC does most of the time).
...and above all: mirrored.

Also
RAID 1+0 vs RAID 0+1
Performance is the same, redundancy is better on RAID 1+0.

There are many other issues which i might actually write a full article on at some point, including quality of controllers - software vs hardware. How FS choice can seriously affect RAID performance.

Knighty: Your use of such language on these forums is out of order I thought. Thou argument over as far as Im concerned.

Cornet

Hi all

Looking into buying a new PC and probably spend about £1300~ on everything except a keyboard, monitor and speakers.

Im definitely going down the AMD route and was looking at the following hardware from Scan.co.uk

AMD Opteron 64 165 Socket939 , Denmark Core, 2x 1.8GHz , 2MB Cache, Retail  Ã‚£178.75 £210.03  - Cheapest dual core 2mb L2 cache Athlon 64 I could find. Will defo be overclocking.

512MB XFX 7900GTX Mem Clock 1600 MHz ,GPU 650 MHz , 24 Pipes, Dual DVI-I , HDTV  Ã‚£324.95 £381.82  - Cheapest 7900GXT I could find.
 
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Music Sound Card  Ã‚£64.29 £75.54  - Is this about the best gaming sound card out there?
 
2GB (2X1GB) Corsair TwinX DDR2, PC4000 (500), 184 Pin, Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 3-4-4-8  Ã‚£129.89 £152.62  WRONGLY LISTED AS DDR2
 
4 x 80 GB HGST (IBM/Hitachi) Deskstar 7K80 , SATA II , 7200 rpm , 8MB Cache ,NCQ  Ã‚£29.48 £138.56  - Yep, 4, going for serious RAID 0!
 
600W Silverstone Strider ST60F Quiet SLi Dual PCI-E EPS12v ATX Quad 12v v2.01 120mm Fan PSU £76.69 £90.11

Coolermaster Stacker RC-830 Silver Trim with Black Mesh w/o PSU Super-Hi End £135.89 £159.67

NEC ND-4570A-GNB Black 16x16 DVD±RW Dual Layer DVD-Writer OEM UK  Ã‚£23.22 £27.28

1.44Mb Sony Black Floppy Disk Drive OEM  Ã‚£3.99 £4.69 - Going to need one as I have Win XP 64bit and wont be getting Vista for a while, so need a Floppy for setting up raid drivers

Just need a motherboard, mouse and a CPU cooling solution.  Ill probably go for a DFI Lan Party board from elsewhere as Scan dont sell them.  As for a mouse, need some recommendations.  I want a really good GAMING mouse, preferably wired(unless its a wireless one with NO lag), uses a laser and it must have buttons on the side of the mouse for using in games.  As for cooling, Ive already got a Thermochill 120.3 radiator and a Eheim 1250 pump, so would only need a waterblock, reservoir and tubing.  Anyone got any recommendations on a waterblock?  Paulus?  Shaun?  Having said that, Im really tempted to go all air cooling as Im not too sure whether I can do with the hassle of watercooling and noise wont be an issue.

Anyone got any suggestions on the rest of the system?  Anything that they think should be changed?

Cheers guys

ahh ere we go,

well ive been running air on a xp3200 and its getting on me tits now with noise,
the case is an old yeong yang server cube with the motherboard compartment only just deep enough for expansion cards and its gets hot in there with the side on.

id say itd depend on how well ventalated the case your gonna whack all that in, given the stacker youve specd has mesh all over the shop, i think you can get away with quiet air doing the 120mm in + 120mm out.

im outta touch with what heatsinks best, although valman are usually quiet.

on the floppy, id get one of those mitsumi floppy + card reader,
got one last week and its not bad, just plugs into a mobo header although the usb header cable is a touch short, especially if the floppy is put at the top of the tower.


Id leave out the sound card till youve tried the onboard azilla sound, theyve come on a lot since ive last built one

creative? please dont say they have made another card....


yes i am out of the loop. and yes i do think music from a 4 valve diesel head sounds better than anything reproduced on a reproducing device

All running very nicely now.

CPU does 2.7GHz with 1.5v air cooled!

Quake 4 looks so good at 1680x1050 with 4xAA, 16xAF and everything else on MAX, and plays so smooth!!!!