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Reply #15 on: March 18, 2006, 19:56:17 PM
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You say big enough manufacturers promoting both sides, you still have to buy A side.  The companies promoting both dont want to get their fingers burnt by choosing the wrong side.  If they did they stand to lose alot of money.


exactly - so if there are big enough manufacturers promoting both sides then they have nothing to lose by releasing films in both formats. it is all about money!

People seem obsessed with VHS vs beetamax - that was several years ago - are we likely to see just one standard for games consoles? - no that would be silly - sony & MS are big enough. There is no real reason why films cant be released in both formats just as games get released in different formats.

we arent in the 1980s anymore - familys do tend to have more than one car, one TV etc... these days - lots of people on this forum have several consoles etc..

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Reply #16 on: March 18, 2006, 20:28:25 PM
The most hilarious thing about the securing of the content with hdcp on blu-ray is that multiple uni students have done papers proving that the hdcp system is flawed and easily breakable\avoided.

people will avoid buying the new systems to start with... but the ps3, though late, will give blu-ray a big push into the market as people wont be buying it for that but people will use it.

Sony has my money for winning this one unless hd-dvd can offer something that blu-ray cant, once people get a ps3 in their house they wont change format unless it dies.

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Reply #17 on: March 18, 2006, 20:34:59 PM
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people will avoid buying the new systems to start with... but the ps3, though late, will give blu-ray a big push into the market as people wont be buying it for that but people will use it.

Sony has my money for winning this one unless hd-dvd can offer something that blu-ray cant, once people get a ps3 in their house they wont change format unless it dies.


and if/when MS release external HD DVD drives

then thered be two formats people would already have in thier house & not want to change.


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Reply #18 on: March 18, 2006, 20:35:54 PM
add-on stuff for consoles.... people always buy them.... and they are always fairly priced.....

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Reply #19 on: March 18, 2006, 20:37:56 PM
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add-on stuff for consoles.... people always buy them.... and they are always fairly priced.....


but people will buy them

just like people will buy PS3s

no reason therefore to not have 2 formats

did the fact that sega & nintento exist stop sony from bringing out a Play station or microsoft from bringing out an X-box - erm no!

People will still buy the things we arent in the 1980s where having more than 2 TVs or 2 Cars meant you were rich - it isnt a case of either or - plenty of people have both playstations and x-boxes & there is no real reason why movie distributors cant release films in both HD DVD and blue ray format - in fact it is far easier for them to do this than it is for a games manufacturer to release titles on both PS & Xbox

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Reply #20 on: March 18, 2006, 21:13:13 PM
Not many to be honest, if the quality of DVD playback on the 360 is anything to go by you will be better buying a standalone.

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Reply #21 on: March 18, 2006, 21:23:27 PM
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add-on stuff for consoles.... people always buy them.... and they are always fairly priced.....


but people will buy them

just like people will buy PS3s

no reason therefore to not have 2 formats

did the fact that sega & nintento exist stop sony from bringing out a Play station or microsoft from bringing out an X-box - erm no!

People will still buy the things we arent in the 1980s where having more than 2 TVs or 2 Cars meant you were rich - it isnt a case of either or - plenty of people have both playstations and x-boxes & there is no real reason why movie distributors cant release films in both HD DVD and blue ray format - in fact it is far easier for them to do this than it is for a games manufacturer to release titles on both PS & Xbox


I live and breathe consoles, have done since i was little, and i know how little add-ons and such sell in comparison to overall sales of the console. I also know how much companies, especially microsoft, charge for anything added on to a console, the memory card for the xbox is a prime example.

If they release the addon it wont sell all that well, that is if you can find a place that has stock of them as with any high end add-on like mech controller from the xbox

I know it will be easy to produce for both but they wont, especially as sony has their own film company that wont be releasing on hd-dvd.

Automatically bringing the blu-ray format into the household via a non-direct player (the ps3) they are gaining a foothold in what is a very expensive situation of the new media format.

People wont have multiple players, not because they cant afford to, though i am sure there are people that cant, mostly because of the hassle, of having so many players, especially if they still have vhs or dvd/5.1 combos

Only 1 format can survive, the other may hang around in the background but only 1 can be the main format. Shops dont have the space to hold a multitude of formats and they too will also favouritise the format they want to.

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Reply #22 on: March 18, 2006, 21:27:31 PM
maybe we should bump this thread up in a couple of years time -  Im pretty confident there will be two formats without the need for a VHS vs Beetamax.

If Xboxes and Playstations can both exist at the same time then why exactly cant two types of video player.

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Reply #23 on: March 18, 2006, 21:33:01 PM
the thing with games consoles is that they are two seperate entities with often differing abilities and power etc, plus they are only 2 makers of them as apposed to all the different companies making these players.

it is the nature, if one format becomes more popular with consumers then the companies making that format will make more than those who are on the other format.

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Reply #24 on: March 18, 2006, 21:38:40 PM
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it is the nature, if one format becomes more popular with consumers then the companies making that format will make more than those who are on the other format.


So?

if xbox sells more than PS then microsoft will make more than sony

doesnt mean there cant be both

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Reply #25 on: March 18, 2006, 21:41:33 PM
actually no, as microsoft is reportedly making a huge loss per console, and as i keep saying it doesnt have native hd-dvd playback, and an addon wont be as nice as in-built, plus the price charge, the 360 isnt much good as a method of putting the hd-dvd into the home

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Reply #26 on: March 18, 2006, 21:46:08 PM
M$ has never made a profit on the sale of their consoles and even when you include the licences its been iffy at best. Many Xboxes have ended up hacked as servers and similar.

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Reply #27 on: March 18, 2006, 21:46:11 PM
so what - they will still make a shed load on games - are you seriously suggestion that if MS gets say 70% of the market they wont make any money?

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Reply #28 on: March 18, 2006, 21:48:38 PM
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so what - they will still make a shed load on games - are you seriously suggestion that if MS gets say 70% of the market they wont make any money?

Will they get 70% of the market? I doubt it. The PS2 is still selling well enough for sony to avoid an early price cut.

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Reply #29 on: March 18, 2006, 21:49:43 PM
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so what - they will still make a shed load on games - are you seriously suggestion that if MS gets say 70% of the market they wont make any money?


we arent talking about the console making money, we are talking about hd-dvd and blu-ray and the fact that for the companies making the stand-alone players are only making a profit and loss based on the sale of that player...

if a family member or friend buys a ps3, they will get blu-ray discs, a person choosing a standalone player is likely to get the same standard player as then they can borrow discs. Having a large initial base in something like this can be the breaking point. Peer pressure if you like

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