Author Topic: Upgrade help (AMD Athlon & MSI 770) OR should I buy a new build?  (Read 5139 times)

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Hi all. Being somewhat out of the game at the moment – I need some upgrade help? Here is my current rig:


PSU: Be Quiet BQT L67-530W

Mobo: MSI 770-C45 (MS-7599)

CPU: Athlon II X3 445

GPU: AMD Radeon HD 6870 (GDDR5 1gb) 900MHz / 1050MHz

DDR: Crucial (BLS4G3D1609DS1S00) 2x4gb DDR3 PC3-12800 (800mhz) • 9-9-9-24 • Unbuffered • NON-ECC • DDR3-1600 • 1.5V • 512Meg x 64

HDD: Samsung SSD 830 120gb / Raptor 70gb / WD740GD-00FLA2 280GB

LCD Monitor: Acer X203H 20” widescreen << feels small

Peripherals: Saitek Eclipse keyboard / Zalman (ZM-GM1) wired gaming mouse


Looking to use it mainly for gaming, every few months, (Total War, Witcher 3) and Adobe Indesign/Photoshop. What are my current bottlenecks? Should I just bite the bullet and go for a complete rebuild?
Last Edit: July 22, 2015, 18:01:54 PM by ERU #187;

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An upgrade sounds good. What do these look like? How much should I be paying, for a cheap price?

CPU:
AMD Phenom II X6 1055T Black Edition 2.8GHz (Socket AM3) £45 +
AMD Phenom II x6 1055T 2.8GHz 6MB Hex Core AM3 125W Processors CPU HDT55TFBK6DGR £52.68 from Hong Kong
AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 2.8 GHz Six Core (HDT55TWFK6DGR) 95W CPU w/Grease £53.34 from South Korea
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T - 3.2 GHz Six Core (HDT90ZFBGRBOX) Processor £50 + <<< looks promising?
AMD Phenom II X6 1045T 2.7 GHz HDT45TWFK6DGR 667 MHz CPU Processor AM3  £56.91 from China
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition 3.3 GHz 6 Core Processor with Heatsink Fan £55 +


GPU:
Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 (2048 MB) Graphics Card £55 +
Asus R9 270 2GB DC2OC 2GD5 £67 + <<< PCI Express 3.0? Will anything above will have its performance slashed to the bandwidth maximum of the MSI 770 C45's PCIe v2.x

Monitor:
tbc

~I live next to Eclipse Computers (Coventry) if it's easier to just pop in there. I'd rather get this sorted before/over the weekend if I can, but will wait if needed.
Last Edit: July 22, 2015, 18:47:07 PM by ERU #187;

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CrossOver 2795QHD 2560x1440 LG AH-IPS Non-Glare 27" Monitor
Reply #2 on: July 24, 2015, 10:19:04 AM
Hi all,

I've been upgrading my rig and, as such, my rig will look like this in about a week:

PSU: Be Quiet BQT L67-530W
Mobo: MSI 770-C45 (MS-7599)
CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T - 3.2 GHz Six Core (HDT90ZFBGRBOX) Processor
GPU: Asus R9 270 2GB DC2OC 2GD5
DDR: Crucial (BLS4G3D1609DS1S00) 2x4gb DDR3 PC3-12800 (800mhz) • 9-9-9-24 • Unbuffered • NON-ECC • DDR3-1600 • 1.5V • 512Meg x 64
HDD: Samsung SSD 830 120gb / Raptor 70gb / WD740GD-00FLA2 280GB
LCD Monitor: See below!!!
Peripherals: Saitek Eclipse keyboard / Zalman (ZM-GM1) wired gaming mouse
~Looking to use it mainly for gaming, every few months, (Total War, Witcher 3) and Adobe Indesign/Photoshop.


As mentioned above, my final upgrade is going to be a £200ish monitor, which is fast becoming a minefield without actually seeing/playing with the screen. I currently own a Acer X203H 20” wide-screen, which tbh feels small compared to the huge, older square CRT ones I've had in the past.

After hours of research (mainly from this thread), and reading, I've found the Korean monitor lottery concept and am happy to take a punt on it. Therefore, the best bet for the foreseeable few months would be a CrossOver 2795QHD 2560x1440 LG AH-IPS Non-Glare 27" Monitor from eBay seller 'dream-seller'.

I just need some confirmation I'm not mad and got it all wrong? Is 1440 a good res to go for?

Will my new 'R9 270 2GB' gfx power it? On a duel channel cable?

If I get a dud, (unlikely judging by peoples experiences so far) would it still be a good monitor/buy for gaming @ 60mhz res?

Thanks

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The R9 270 is a great card, can't really go wrong with that. The only thing I don't like much about your overall spec is the AMD chip, I'd probably swap for an Intel even if it costs a bit more.

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Too late - I've bought the X6 and the CrossOver 2795QHD is in the post! Can return to let everyone know how it is if there's an interest.

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It would be nice to find out if the monitor is decent!

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It would be nice to find out if the monitor is decent!
Arrives next week...

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My Monitor was delivered (to the UK) in about 5 working days overall. The main delay was Parcel Force, although you can speed them up a bit with a telephone call to pay import charges (£63.55). The box came wrapped in bubble wrap, and I had no exterior damage to the packaging.

I purchased from eBay seller: Dream-seller for £202.90 - with a 1 year warranty.

Colour banding seems good. I’ve check via this simple gradient test: http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/gradient.php.  As I understand it, all monitors display very slight, subtle banding, but the worst offenders will appear blocky, and immediately recognizable. Mine is definitely not blocky in any way.

I have no black light bleed.

No dead pixels, although I’ve heard that this tool: www.jscreenfix.com can get rid of some, if needed. I used this to test: http://jasonfarrell.com/misc/deadpixeltest.php

The monitor build quality is best classed as ‘ok’ or ‘acceptable’, whilst the stand is rubbish and very wobbly if it gets knocked. Moreover, the clips at the top of my screen have somehow warped (under heat pressure?). I had considered returning it for this, but I otherwise seem to have a decent copy and TBH I’m not bothered. 

To overclock, I used ATI Pixel Clock Patcher (ToastyX) v1.3.4 to patch my drivers and Custom Resolution Utility (CRU)  v1.2.1 to ‘only’ change the refresh rate. It’s now running comfortably at 96Hz, which is confirmed by the www.testufo.com overclocking test. I quickly tried to jump to 120Hz but get dotted artefacts on the left of the screen.

I also bought this for £8 - DVI-D 24+1 Dual Link Male to Male Digital Video Cable Gold Plated with Ferrite Core: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00OZHGVSY?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

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What's the benefit of running at substantially higher hz?

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What's the benefit of running at substantially higher hz?
Here you go:

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Not much unless you have a very high resolution screen, 4K is claimed to be better on 60Hz. That seems carried out in reviews which mention there are problems with 4K at 30Hz. Only other reason to have it is a 3D screen/glasses set-up where the image flickers between each eye.

As there is minimal price difference between 30Hz and 60Hz 4K screens if you're buying it's probably better to get the higher refresh rate. Very few seems to be going down the 3D path.

On old CRT monitors the refresh rate actually meant a lot more as the light from the phosphor dots faded between refreshes producing distinct flicker on large, higher resolution, screens.
Last Edit: August 28, 2015, 14:27:32 PM by Serious #187;

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