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Chat => Entertainment & Technology => Topic started by: Serious on April 11, 2008, 22:31:26 PM
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Microsoft has taken some new steps with Windows, although they dont necessarily match what the Gartner analysts recommended. For instance, the company recently granted Windows XP Home a reprieve from its June 30 OEM cut-off, saying it would let computer makers install the older, smaller operating system on ultra-cheap laptops through the middle of 2010.
It will also add a hypervisor to Windows -- albeit the server version -- in August, and there are signs that it will launch Windows 7, the follow-on to Vista, late next year rather than early 2010.
http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/04/10/Windows-is-collapsing-Gartner-analysts-warn_2.html
Looks like M$ Fista is as popular as a pile of corgi doos on the Queens lawn...
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So vista will end up being a bit like ME? Stuck between two popular versions of the OS and so never really gets/got any credit?
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doubt it. because - it works better than XP did at release. Me worked worse than 98.
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True sort of but vista is so ME like it is stupid, It i basically just another MS trial with every crap on it and junk as much as possible to see what people like and do not like and 7 being the xp which is something that will actually be a nice OS but since the finally sacked a load of windows people and swapped some staff around some of the good ms developers are working on 7.
If the kernal is anything to go by it will be nice and it is only going to have 4 versions (2 32 bit 2 64bit) and rightly so.
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The problem for Vista is that they shoved in a load of junk and tinsel it didnt need, then advertised it as if it was the best thing since sliced bread. People took them at their word, but they had changed it half way through and chucked out all the best bits.
In many ways its like a zombified XP, except it might be a bit more difficult to kill than the average zombie.
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Quoting extensively from internal Microsoft Corp. e-mails, plaintiffs lawyers argued Friday that the company knowingly misled consumers by allowing PC makers to emblazon "Windows Vista Capable" stickers on PCs that could run only the most bare-bones version of the operating system.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/350667_msftvista09.html
According to a presentation served up last week by two Gartner analysts, Windows is plummeting like a Herman Miller chair tossed off the C-Level balcony at One Microsoft Way. The reasons are obvious: Vista is a bloated mess. Corporate America doesnt want it. Even Microsofts own mid-level managers couldnt hide their disgust at what their overly hyped OS simply cant do.
Meanwhile, in yet another in a series of embarrassing revelations, a Microsoft product manager admits that Vistas infamous User Account Controls -- the "are you really sure you want to do that? really?" checkbox -- were put there to deliberately annoy users, and that this was going to somehow force ISVs to build more secure applications. Per ZDnet UK:
"The reason we put UAC into the [Vista] platform was to annoy users — Im serious," said Cross, speaking at the RSA Conference in San Francisco on Thursday. "Most users had administrator privileges on previous Windows systems and most applications needed administrator privileges to install or run."
As if using Windows werent already annoying enough. Thanks guys.
http://weblog.infoworld.com/robertxcringely/archives/2008/04/windows_is_fall.html?source=NLC-DAILY&cgd=2008-04-14
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doubt it. because - it works better than XP did at release. Me worked worse than 98.
I doubt it as its now sold by default on pretty much every new pc out there.
ME never was as far as I knew, or at least not to the extent that vista is now. Try and find an XP desktop computer, and you will struggle. Try and find a vista one and youll get one down your local PC World.
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There is also the issue of the mew low power computers and laptops, like the Asus eee. These either cant run Vista at all or do so extremely poorly.
If you have a hugely powerful computer with components and accessories that are fully vista compatible then its fine, if not you are open for a world of pain.
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All i can do is hope they either scrap the UAC system form windows 7 or scale it back massively so i dont have my screen screwed over and having to click a button for everything i do.
Why does it have to black out the whole screen just to ask me the question, why not just pop the box up. That would be as good and nowhere near as slow and annoying.
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doubt it. because - it works better than XP did at release. Me worked worse than 98.
I doubt it as its now sold by default on pretty much every new pc out there.
ME never was as far as I knew, or at least not to the extent that vista is now. Try and find an XP desktop computer, and you will struggle. Try and find a vista one and youll get one down your local PC World.
Dell made an announcement this week to still be and more of it offering xp on their desktop machines
All low spec and power cheap notebooks hitting the market are running xp or linux
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All i can do is hope they either scrap the UAC system form windows 7 or scale it back massively so i dont have my screen screwed over and having to click a button for everything i do.
Why does it have to black out the whole screen just to ask me the question, why not just pop the box up. That would be as good and nowhere near as slow and annoying.
you can turn that off..... (first thing i did!)
its in the user accounts bit of the contorl panel ;)
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Eventually when Windows 7 is released, Microsoft are probs hoping that vista will be quietly forgotten lol
Liam
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All i can do is hope they either scrap the UAC system form windows 7 or scale it back massively so i dont have my screen screwed over and having to click a button for everything i do.
Why does it have to black out the whole screen just to ask me the question, why not just pop the box up. That would be as good and nowhere near as slow and annoying.
you can turn that off..... (first thing i did!)
its in the user accounts bit of the contorl panel ;)
I was the one that gave you the info in the thread knighty.
I wish i could but it screws up some software on this machine when it is turned off.
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^^^ lol / doh !
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doubt it. because - it works better than XP did at release. Me worked worse than 98.
I doubt it as its now sold by default on pretty much every new pc out there.
ME never was as far as I knew, or at least not to the extent that vista is now. Try and find an XP desktop computer, and you will struggle. Try and find a vista one and youll get one down your local PC World.
Dell made an announcement this week to still be and more of it offering xp on their desktop machines
All low spec and power cheap notebooks hitting the market are running xp or linux
So youre stating that budget pcs are running linux and xp.
Awesome... walk through your local currys, comet, pc world... have a look at what pcs are running there, have a look at the pcs that the majority of folk are buying.
Yes if you know where to look you can get a pc with XP on it, woo. If youre joe bloggs buying a PC from a store, it will almost always come with vista, unless youre getting some ALDI special.
A few budget pcs running XP does not even begin to touch the numbers of pcs being sold with vista on it.
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in my opinion they should have canned Vista completely, gone straight to Windows 7 and released Aero as a paid for add on to XP a la the old Plus pack.
That way Aero would have got rave reviews for being what it undoubtably is, very very pretty and funky if youve got the hardware to run it well, and resources could have been concentrated on making Windows 7 a true successor to XP.
But at the end of the day, what do I care? Im a linux user now and very unlikely to go back.
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I think MS may have kicked themselves in the foot with vista. Admittedly its not the best, but I do prefer it over XP. But Im not sure come the release of Windows 7 I will be that tempted to switch from vista. Not unless its released in maybe 2011+
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Its said that Windows 7 might be released as early as mid to late next year if it all goes well, from the screenshots of 7 iv seen already it doesnt look much different to Vista :?
Liam
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Vista with the stuff they said vista was going to have, WINFS etc
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Its said that Windows 7 might be released as early as mid to late next year if it all goes well, from the screenshots of 7 iv seen already it doesnt look much different to Vista :?
Liam
That is funny, here is me seeing windows 7 leaks using the customisable interface so to look how ever you do the skin for it but all more likley fake. Only the kernel has solid foundation to even being remotely real so far (which it is)
http://www.tekforum.co.uk/posts/list/15/9938.page
Id link the thread with all the screenshots I posted but can not find it right now
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That early release comment was off the cuff. Vista is still meeting targets even though it hasnt gotten the public reception they expected.
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Its said that Windows 7 might be released as early as mid to late next year if it all goes well, from the screenshots of 7 iv seen already it doesnt look much different to Vista :?
Liam
That is funny, here is me seeing windows 7 leaks using the customisable interface so to look how ever you do the skin for it but all more likley fake. Only the kernel has solid foundation to even being remotely real so far (which it is)
http://www.tekforum.co.uk/posts/list/15/9938.page
Id link the thread with all the screenshots I posted but can not find it right now
im informed from a developer friend I was at uni with that Windows 7 at present has decoupled the interface from the kernel. One of his workmates has it at present, and he said even using the Aero interface its quicker than a scalded cat.
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Its said that Windows 7 might be released as early as mid to late next year if it all goes well, from the screenshots of 7 iv seen already it doesnt look much different to Vista :?
Liam
That is funny, here is me seeing windows 7 leaks using the customisable interface so to look how ever you do the skin for it but all more likley fake. Only the kernel has solid foundation to even being remotely real so far (which it is)
http://www.tekforum.co.uk/posts/list/15/9938.page
Id link the thread with all the screenshots I posted but can not find it right now
im informed from a developer friend I was at uni with that Windows 7 at present has decoupled the interface from the kernel. One of his workmates has it at present, and he said even using the Aero interface its quicker than a scalded cat.
More then likley a version of it would be as standard but the rumour is you will have xp, old windows and vista templates with the ability to do more and possible it will launch with a new default interface ripping off OSX. IT is open, it has to be for legal reasons so they have done an interface template system so people will be making some cool visuals (they do anyway I know with software but this is as standard)
Would be not the first time they scrap features but it would be cool to finally properly customize, I mean just creating a new background image for your start bar would be cool.
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More then likley a version of it would be as standard but the rumour is you will have xp, old windows and vista templates with the ability to do more and possible it will launch with a new default interface ripping off OSX. IT is open, it has to be for legal reasons so they have done an interface template system so people will be making some cool visuals (they do anyway I know with software but this is as standard)
Would be not the first time they scrap features but it would be cool to finally properly customize, I mean just creating a new background image for your start bar would be cool.
Dont know how true it is (i.e. Im rather sceptical), but apparently some folks have got recompiled versions of KDE and Gnome running.
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Its said that Windows 7 might be released as early as mid to late next year if it all goes well, from the screenshots of 7 iv seen already it doesnt look much different to Vista :?
Liam
That is funny, here is me seeing windows 7 leaks using the customisable interface so to look how ever you do the skin for it but all more likley fake. Only the kernel has solid foundation to even being remotely real so far (which it is)
http://www.tekforum.co.uk/posts/list/15/9938.page
Id link the thread with all the screenshots I posted but can not find it right now
lol the video on that other website with the guy showing the Kernal clearly doesnt know how many versions of windows have been released! :mutley:
Liam
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Its said that Windows 7 might be released as early as mid to late next year if it all goes well, from the screenshots of 7 iv seen already it doesnt look much different to Vista :?
Liam
That is funny, here is me seeing windows 7 leaks using the customisable interface so to look how ever you do the skin for it but all more likley fake. Only the kernel has solid foundation to even being remotely real so far (which it is)
http://www.tekforum.co.uk/posts/list/15/9938.page
Id link the thread with all the screenshots I posted but can not find it right now
lol the video on that other website with the guy showing the Kernal clearly doesnt know how many versions of windows have been released! :mutley:
Liam
How so?
Windows NT (Win4)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 (Win5.0/5.1/5.2)
Windows Vista (Win 6).
2k/XP/2K3 are all just point releases of the same OS.
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tbh, vista doesnt have much difference under the hood than windows 5.x
most of the stuff that was going to change to warrant the OS change were dropped part way through construction
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Dont know how true it is (i.e. Im rather sceptical), but apparently some folks have got recompiled versions of KDE and Gnome running.
I dont know if its true or not of course, but it seems plausible since theres a version of BlackBox for WinXP already. With a system which is actually designed to be customisable, it doesnt seem unreasonable to run KDE or Gnome.
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Its said that Windows 7 might be released as early as mid to late next year if it all goes well, from the screenshots of 7 iv seen already it doesnt look much different to Vista :?
Liam
That is funny, here is me seeing windows 7 leaks using the customisable interface so to look how ever you do the skin for it but all more likley fake. Only the kernel has solid foundation to even being remotely real so far (which it is)
http://www.tekforum.co.uk/posts/list/15/9938.page
Id link the thread with all the screenshots I posted but can not find it right now
lol the video on that other website with the guy showing the Kernal clearly doesnt know how many versions of windows have been released! :mutley:
Liam
How so?
Windows NT (Win4)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 (Win5.0/5.1/5.2)
Windows Vista (Win 6).
2k/XP/2K3 are all just point releases of the same OS.
So what about windows 1, 2, 3, 3.1, 3.11?
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Its said that Windows 7 might be released as early as mid to late next year if it all goes well, from the screenshots of 7 iv seen already it doesnt look much different to Vista :?
Liam
That is funny, here is me seeing windows 7 leaks using the customisable interface so to look how ever you do the skin for it but all more likley fake. Only the kernel has solid foundation to even being remotely real so far (which it is)
http://www.tekforum.co.uk/posts/list/15/9938.page
Id link the thread with all the screenshots I posted but can not find it right now
lol the video on that other website with the guy showing the Kernal clearly doesnt know how many versions of windows have been released! :mutley:
Liam
How so?
Windows NT (Win4)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 (Win5.0/5.1/5.2)
Windows Vista (Win 6).
2k/XP/2K3 are all just point releases of the same OS.
So what about windows 1, 2, 3, 3.1, 3.11?
None of those matter. The only ones that do are really below. There was no NT 3.11 to my knowledge.
NT 3.1
NT 3.51
NT 4
Windows 2000 5
Windows XP 5.1
Windows 2k3 5.2
Windows Vista 6
Windows Seven
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I believe hes talking about Windows 3.1, Windows 3.11 and for Workgroups, not NT
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they evenend the number system out so they hade NT3 and Windows3 at the same time. However there is a valid argument that NT is OS/2 release 3, so it kind of pans out. NT grew out of MSs desire to stop being involved with OS/2
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http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/04/17/Forrester-says-Dont-skip-Vista_1.html
Maybe it does advise it, but it seems the readers of that page arent having anything to do with it. A lot of them are claiming Forrester Research has been bribed.
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Ballmer describes Vista as "work in progress"
http://www.computershopper.co.uk/news/189501
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Ballmer describes Vista as "work in progress"
http://www.computershopper.co.uk/news/189501
- MS always do it, It came out to buy they release things to try it out on the mass market and get money off people at the same time.
- It is nice though as it shows they may even extend xp life further as long as "a lot" of people will still be using it which they will be.
- Despite what he says about vista and 7, 7 will be less bloated as other MS staff working on it have already said that this is a goal of its development
- I think you can see why vista is so bloated, give to much development time with some things not working and the other elements will have more stuff added to them which if development time was shorter would still work and be good but not have any "tinkering" done which sends it to far into the bloated zone.
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Windows 7 milestone 1
http://www.thinknext.net/archives/2199
It looks like they are working off vista at the moment with tweaks and changes to the core concept abilities, I think when you add the new kernal and probably my streamlined software and then towards the end (just like other versions) the new interface (which we know is going to be new as there is a new team on it) will come about.
I think a number of the changes here though will come to vista as updates as well as features of windows 7
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they evenend the number system out so they hade NT3 and Windows3 at the same time. However there is a valid argument that NT is OS/2 release 3, so it kind of pans out. NT grew out of MSs desire to stop being involved with OS/2
windows NT is so named due to the develpment team coming from the awesome digital corporation
VMS
add one letter in alphabet
WNT
some people say thats a myth - i dont - the developers were bought in from digital.
for anyone that has ever worked with VMS (I started on it) you will know that windows NT borrows heavily from it. It does lose a lot of the rock solid stability of VMS though
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they evenend the number system out so they hade NT3 and Windows3 at the same time. However there is a valid argument that NT is OS/2 release 3, so it kind of pans out. NT grew out of MSs desire to stop being involved with OS/2
windows NT is so named due to the develpment team coming from the awesome digital corporation
VMS
add one letter in alphabet
WNT
some people say thats a myth - i dont - the developers were bought in from digital.
for anyone that has ever worked with VMS (I started on it) you will know that windows NT borrows heavily from it. It does lose a lot of the rock solid stability of VMS though
Yeah, heard that one too. Also the one about "New Technolgy" and various other reasons. I know the numbering system was an artificial thing to bring it into line with Windows3.0 though. I also know that anything pre-2k is horrible to work on. It wasnt even good when it came out.
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Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer said Thursday that the company may reconsider its decision to stop selling Windows XP on June 30. At an event in Belgium, Ballmer told reporters, "If customer feedback varies, we can always wake up smarter," according to an Associated Press report.]#
http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/04/24/news-ballmer-reconsiders-xp_1.html
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I really hope they decide to whack dx10 on xp and extend its life span, it would make a load more money
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All i can do is hope they either scrap the UAC system form windows 7 or scale it back massively so i dont have my screen screwed over and having to click a button for everything i do.
Why does it have to black out the whole screen just to ask me the question, why not just pop the box up. That would be as good and nowhere near as slow and annoying.
you can turn that off..... (first thing i did!)
its in the user accounts bit of the contorl panel ;)
Turning off UAC is baad Mkay? You loose the Explorer sandbox for a start, and there are other ways.
If you are installing a program you trust then right click and choose Run as administrator.
You can mark a program to always run with extra security priviledges by right clicking it, select Properties Compatability and checking Run this program as Administrator. Be careful with this though, you certainly dont want to do it to programs that access the internet or stuff from unknown sources.
If you really hate UAC then REGEDIT HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\CurrentVersion\Policies\System and set ConsentPromptBehhaviorAdmin to 0 this will kill the prompts but leave Explorer to play in its sand box.
And for those who think that I have just become a Vista Wizard, its copied from issue 266 of PCPlus.
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Turning off UAC is baad Mkay? You loose the Explorer sandbox for a start, and there are other ways.
If you are installing a program you trust then right click and choose Run as administrator.
You can mark a program to always run with extra security priviledges by right clicking it, select Properties Compatability and checking Run this program as Administrator. Be careful with this though, you certainly dont want to do it to programs that access the internet or stuff from unknown sources.
If you really hate UAC then REGEDIT HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\CurrentVersion\Policies\System and set ConsentPromptBehhaviorAdmin to 0 this will kill the prompts but leave Explorer to play in its sand box.
And for those who think that I have just become a Vista Wizard, its copied from issue 266 of PCPlus.
UAC is a nice way of saying "Digital Vomit". Just because Vista isnt very fault tolerant doesnt mean they need to annoy us. Just swapped a motherboard in a machine that was dual booting vista and XP. The XP boot functions perfectly, just booted up, replaced the drivers and its working. THe Vista boot didn;t even take a repair. Just refused to even progess past the boto loader with BSODing
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Did I say it was perfect? I dont even own a copy, and refuse to buy one. Vista has real problems.
Ive finally sorted out fully the computer system I bought from tekheads last year, a MoBo bios issue was causing problems with games and the latest update fixed that. I then installed windoze XP again and since I was ditching my old 2500+ to my brother I erased the HD and used the key to install again on the newer one. I then let it activate through my internet connection, which, surprisingly to me, went through without any problem.