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on: January 12, 2007, 15:22:32 PM
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The NHS should provide more faith-based care for Muslims, an expert says.

Muslims are about twice as likely to report poor health and disability than the general population, says Edinburgh Universitys Professor Aziz Sheikh.

Writing in the British Medical Journal, he called for male circumcision on the NHS and more details over alcohol derived drugs.

But Manchester University health expert Professor Aneez Esmail said it was not possible to meet everyones needs.

Professor Sheikh said a better picture of the health profile and experiences of British Muslims was needed to help them access services

"The limited health data show that Muslims are about twice as likely to self report poor health and disability as the general population.

"Muslims are predominantly congregated in the inner city slums, have the lowest household income, poorest educational attainment, and highest unemployment and experience more poverty than any other faith community."

He said the first step towards collecting better data would be to record religious affiliation, not just ethnic background at primary and secondary care levels.

But the NHS should also start to tailor services in a more targetted way.

"Male infant circumcision should be available throughout the NHS. Although a handful of NHS trusts provide it, most parents are forced into the poorly regulated private sector," Professor Sheikh said.

He also said hospitals needed to accommodate Muslims in other ways.

"Many Muslims, to maintain modesty, prefer to see a same sex clinician. Such choice is typically unavailable despite the higher number of women doctors in the NHS.

"Another important service is to enable Muslims to avoid porcine and alcohol derived drugs."

Professor Sheikh, from Edinburgh Universitys division of community health services, added Muslims should be given better access to prayer facilities and advice over how they should modify their treatment for chronic conditions during Ramadan.

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But Professor Aneez Esmail, from Manchester Universitys school of primary care, said: "While it is reasonable we try to plan and configure our services to take account of needs that may have their roots in particular beliefs... we cannot meet everyones demands for special services based on their religious identity. It would not be practical."

And he added that some faith groups might support practices which may be morally and ethically unacceptable to the majority - for example female circumcision and the refusal to accept blood transfusions in life saving situations.

Professor Esmail said going down the path of providing special services for defined groups risks stigmatisation and stereotyping.

"In an ideal world doctors would ask about a patients beliefs not so that they can be categorised but because it might be important for the patient in their illness."

The Department of Health said services were and had to be decided on a clinical need, which was decided either on recommendations from the NHS advisory agency NICE or on a trust by trust basis.

The spokesman added: "All patients are entitled to ask to see doctors of a certain sex."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6253409.stm

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Reply #1 on: January 12, 2007, 15:37:14 PM
Why oh why oh why.

You want free health care ? Take what youre given and be greatful, otherwise pay to go private tbvfh.

I think given the state of the NHS it is wrong that any *group* (or person) should expect special treatment. The fact that they are being seen to at all should be enough to keep people happy.

besides, you cannot make everyone happy all of the time...so keep the majority happy all the time. afaik the majority in this country is still (loosest possible way) Christian.

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In fact, when it comes to health care religon should not even enter into the equation. If you die, fine then your faith can be bought into it. Otherwise just worry about getting fixed/better/healthy and not how it is happening !

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Reply #2 on: January 12, 2007, 15:44:27 PM
Same sex doctors, fine.Labeling or flagging medicine with pork or alcohol, fine.  But your NHS shouldnt bend over backwards to accommodate Muslims, Jehovahs Witnesses, vegans, or others that want special treatment. And forget about providing NHS circs, unless ya charge in full. A lot of Muslim men are cock obsessed and circumcision crazy. Ever hear those guys brag about whos got the tightest circ? They want it, they pay for it.


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Reply #3 on: January 12, 2007, 16:01:43 PM
Fair enough with the same sex thing - as that isnt just down to personal beliefs/delusions as far as sky pixies & 1000 year old books are concerned.

But they can bog off with some of the alcohol crap - they arent supposed to consume alcohol (so fair play as far as medication is concerned) yet some of them have decided to go along with the whole Im more of a stricter Muslim than you type thing & rather than just grow a big beard and shout abuse at the police like most of the fundie slamists theyve decided that even touching alcohol is forbidden.

this has become a problem due to MRSA - the super bug that has been killing off hundreds of patients especially old people & patients with weak immune systems - in order to stop the spread of MRSA plenty of hospitals require that visitors & patients clean their hands with alcohol gel - unfortunately the ultra slamists dont want to - Im sure there are some alternatives & some are in place but it if there arent any then they ought to either be told to use the alcohol gel or get off the ward. Im not even going to go into the whole middle east wiping your arse with your hand thing. Dirty gits!  :lol:

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Reply #4 on: January 12, 2007, 16:33:00 PM
Your get what your given. Dont like it? Go Private.
Still dont like it? move countries then. Country is going bust as it is.

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Reply #5 on: January 12, 2007, 20:16:31 PM
Bloody hell, they want special treatment, they should make do what is available to the rest of us or f*ck off!

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Reply #6 on: January 12, 2007, 22:07:42 PM
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Bloody hell, they want special treatment, they should make do what is available to the rest of us or f*ck off!


Heard on the radio that they told a squaddie who was in for treatment to remove his uniform as it was upsetting "other" patients.

The Isle of Dogs is supposed to be a small place in Great Britain. It seems to be a contagious place & grown  :(
This country has had it & needs a dictator type leader to restore it to former glory. To lax & not enough dicipline.

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Reply #7 on: January 12, 2007, 23:51:40 PM
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Heard on the radio that they told a squaddie who was in for treatment to remove his uniform as it was upsetting "other" patients.


Youd be surprised how common this is; most members of the armed forces are now advised to not wear their uniforms when outside of MoD property if it can be avoided as there has been more than one incident of someone being done over by a gag of youths for being a member of HM Forces. The worst thing is the violence and abuse is often not directed at serving members but rather at their spouses and children.

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Reply #8 on: January 12, 2007, 23:57:58 PM
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Heard on the radio that they told a squaddie who was in for treatment to remove his uniform as it was upsetting "other" patients.


Youd be surprised how common this is; most members of the armed forces are now advised to not wear their uniforms when outside of MoD property if it can be avoided as there has been more than one incident of someone being done over by a gag of youths for being a member of HM Forces. The worst thing is the violence and abuse is often not directed at serving members but rather at their spouses and children.[/quote]

Thats not quite the impression I got, certainly within the last 12 months Ive heard from reasonably senior officers that they had been advised that wearing their uniform on the street is now more acceptable - compared to the height of the IRA troubles when it was regarded as dangerous to be seen out and about in uniform. Guess this may have changed though with the current military situations in Iraq/Afghanistan etc.

FWIW, I live in a military town at the moment, and see squaddies in camo-gear all the time, when theyre off duty.
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Reply #9 on: January 13, 2007, 00:01:32 AM
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Heard on the radio that they told a squaddie who was in for treatment to remove his uniform as it was upsetting "other" patients.


Youd be surprised how common this is; most members of the armed forces are now advised to not wear their uniforms when outside of MoD property if it can be avoided as there has been more than one incident of someone being done over by a gag of youths for being a member of HM Forces. The worst thing is the violence and abuse is often not directed at serving members but rather at their spouses and children.


Thats not quite the impression I got, certainly within the last 12 months Ive heard from reasonably senior officers that they had been advised that wearing their uniform on the street is now more acceptable - compared to the height of the IRA troubles when it was regarded as dangerous to be seen out and about in uniform. Guess this may have changed though with the current military situations in Iraq/Afghanistan etc.

FWIW, I live in a military town at the moment, and see squaddies in camo-gear all the time, when theyre off duty.[/quote]

Youre correct BigSoy, my impression was that the situation has changed an awful lot for the worse with the current military situation in Iraq/Afghanistan.

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Reply #10 on: January 13, 2007, 00:14:52 AM
Chris H and BigSoy, when you post make sure the Disable BB Code in this message tickbox is unselected so quotes work...

I fixed the above posts ;)

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Reply #11 on: January 13, 2007, 00:32:53 AM
If my child, wife or self was ill, no amount of bounderies that my faith imposed upon me would stop me from getting them well again by transfusing, removing or whatever Doctors want to do.

Nothing is more important than your health and the health of those you love. The sooner these ridiculous nutters get it into their head the better.

"God" gave man the ability to help one another, surely keeping people alive is good and not allowing them REAL medical help to save their lives is BAD... or have I missed a meeting when denying medical treatment was a way to end someones suffering was seen as a good thing....

Mental. You want prayer to help you? go do that at home and dont clog up the NHS with fanciful ideas of words and faith healing people with horrible illnesses whilst making us bloody pay for it.

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Reply #12 on: January 13, 2007, 00:59:55 AM
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Chris H and BigSoy, when you post make sure the Disable BB Code in this message tickbox is unselected so quotes work...

I fixed the above posts ;)


Thanks Serious.  :thumbup:

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Reply #13 on: January 23, 2007, 18:36:05 PM
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FWIW, I live in a military town at the moment, and see squaddies in camo-gear all the time, when theyre off duty.

Need new camo then, obviously not working as well as it should.

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