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Chat => General Discussion => Topic started by: Alien8 on March 31, 2008, 23:24:38 PM
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Music trade body the BPI is working with Virgin on a pilot which could see dozens of customers sent warning letters.
The trial by the UKs largest residential broadband supplier will go live within months and disconnecting customers who ignore warnings, a sanction favoured by the record BPI, remains an option. The trial will also be open to film and television studios.
Link (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/03/30/cnvirgin130.xml)
3 strikes and the data receive light goes out.
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How will they know the download is illegal? Will they measure this in Mb/Gb?
Three strikes eh? Best to download the internet in a one-er then! -)
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Yeah, only if virgin media had a isp monopoly of the internet which they dont it would actually work..... they will lose customers and virgin isp will die die die! :cheers:
As a thread pointed out a while back regarding something on the same grounds years ago Cassette Tapes to CDs this was a seen as music companys/industry offering a convenience...... priacy is the furture! lol :yarr:
http://www.tekforums.co.uk/posts/list/10299.page#100311
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3 strikes and the data receive light goes out.
...and the direct debit gets cancelled and a new one set up with their rivals. Worst business practise Ive ever heard of.
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I wonder how much big downloaders cost them as uposed to those people who only brows the web/email ?
they must be hopeing they can dump all the big downloaders (or make them cut down) and attract more little old laidy users...
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I wonder how much big downloaders cost them as uposed to those people who only brows the web/email ?
they must be hopeing they can dump all the big downloaders (or make them cut down) and attract more little old laidy users...
And then sue them for 2 grand becuase they downloaded 3 nursery rhymes to play to their kids on an ipod in a dock to get them to sleep
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all it will take is a couple of mistaken people who dont download to get cut off, or someone who downloads legal torrents and they will get the kinda name comcast has in america. Their new subscriptions will drop through the floor as they will be known as the company who will kick you off.
Bad idea tbh, unless it was unified across all isps it just wont work.
They need to spend more money opening up more bandwidth to handle the claims they make rather than spending money on techniques to monitor and disconnect users.
Add to this all the crap with Phorm and virgin suddenly has a very bad public image of a company that is far too interested in what you do online.
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so can the ISP see when we are using p2p and torrents etc?
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well Smoothwall 3.0 and other similar network doohickys can tell the difference between web surfing, P2P and other forms of traffic, so Id say yes they can.
The issue will be can they tell the difference between, say, downloading an illegal DivX encoded film and downloading the latest [insert prefered Linux distro here] live CD. The two are about the same size and may very well be downloaded using BitTorrent.
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I imagine when they try to enforce this itll just be a case of actually banning people who they receive complaints about via the RIAA or the various software agencies and suchlike that sit on torrents and grab all IPs.
I know some just send complaint after complaint to the user and as long as you reply "made a mistake, wont do it again" they dont seem to care nor do anything about it.
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so can the ISP see when we are using p2p and torrents etc?
they can see what you are downloading if they take the trouble to look at it.
At the moment they dont look.
from what they said on R4 this morning this is only something Virgin are "in discussions" about and its not a definate plan.
I think the idea is to get other ISPs to sign up for the same scheme.
Personaly I dont think it will come to anything unless all ISPs sign up.. which wont happen in the near future.
If virgin do do this then I will change to another ISP.
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What about encryption and all that milarky? Sure whenever something is encrypted its only a matter of time till its cracked but still...
What about iPlayer and all that which use P2P, or is it going to be a case where the BBC and other legit P2P systems utilise some form of network gubbins to make it easier for ISPs to know that the video youre downloading is legit and not pirated? If not are they going to sit and watch little chunks of the data youve received to determine whether youre getting something you shouldnt?
Meh.
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What about encryption and all that milarky? Sure whenever something is encrypted its only a matter of time till its cracked but still...
What about iPlayer and all that which use P2P, or is it going to be a case where the BBC and other legit P2P systems utilise some form of network gubbins to make it easier for ISPs to know that the video youre downloading is legit and not pirated? If not are they going to sit and watch little chunks of the data youve received to determine whether youre getting something you shouldnt?
Meh.
I think its more likely that soembody at the RIAA (or a bot) will download from popular torrent sites, and look up the IPs of other users on the same illegal torrent. Then they will check which IPs belong to which ISPs and will then send a list of IPs to the service providers to issue a warning.
I dont think the ISP will do any of the checking, the copright owners will.
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all talk imo
Just like when they say about those who download a lot will get a letter.
My usenet account consistently shows I average well over 300gb - never received one letter.
If they come knocking Ill give them their equipment back & switch to elsewhere
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What about encryption and all that milarky? Sure whenever something is encrypted its only a matter of time till its cracked but still...
What about iPlayer and all that which use P2P, or is it going to be a case where the BBC and other legit P2P systems utilise some form of network gubbins to make it easier for ISPs to know that the video youre downloading is legit and not pirated? If not are they going to sit and watch little chunks of the data youve received to determine whether youre getting something you shouldnt?
Meh.
You think that any encryption technique that has been tried on things like this has lasted very long? They only really need to break it once and then an awful lot of disks are openly copyable.
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You think that any encryption technique that has been tried on things like this has lasted very long? They only really need to break it once and then an awful lot of disks are openly copyable.
however that would fall under the Computer Misuse act if they even attempt to break encryption. Doesnt matter if they manage it or not, its the attempt that is the crime.
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will PeerGuardian (http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2) be of any use ?
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You think that any encryption technique that has been tried on things like this has lasted very long? They only really need to break it once and then an awful lot of disks are openly copyable.
however that would fall under the Computer Misuse act if they even attempt to break encryption. Doesnt matter if they manage it or not, its the attempt that is the crime.
Only within countries that have that as part of their law. There are commercial software packages which allege that they can back up any disk, including blue-ray and HD-dvd, in order to do this they have to have broken the encryption.
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Meh, move to an ISP which isnt participating in any crap like this, like PlusNet (http://"http://www.plus.net")
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I thought Vrigin recently denied these plans?
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I thought Vrigin recently denied these plans?
looks that way, from here (http://www.computeractive.co.uk/computeractive/news/2213475/virgin-distances-itself-three) it looks like it was the BPI jumping the gun.
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I thought Vrigin recently denied these plans?
looks that way, from here (http://www.computeractive.co.uk/computeractive/news/2213475/virgin-distances-itself-three) it looks like it was the BPI jumping the gun.
Well news comes out all your customers on your forums and other locations making it very clear they would jump ship as it would be known they were using this would you then actually do it? If you wanted peoples money you would not unless you were stupid [cough]comast[/cough]