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Apple faces lawsuits over slowing older iphones....
on: December 22, 2017, 15:17:01 PM
Seems older iphones were not just seemingly slower, Apple cheated to make them really slower...

They claim it was to maximise component and battery life... Anyone else see that huge formation of pigs flying over Silicon Valley?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42455285

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Reply #1 on: December 23, 2017, 16:49:26 PM
I think we have all known this for years, wont be just apple, look at the vw dieselgate scandal etc, its about time they are caught and brought to justice.
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Re: Apple faces lawsuits over slowing older iphones....
Reply #3 on: December 29, 2017, 17:11:09 PM
Seems they are reducing the cost of their replacement batteries. Reality is Li-ion batteries do age, and lose capacity. That is expected, but this looks to be them hoping to get people to upgrade.

Think they have done a lot of damage to their standing?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42508300

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Reply #4 on: January 06, 2018, 07:35:03 AM
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Think they have done a lot of damage to their standing?

Don't think so. I think most people knew their phones started to slow down around the 2 year mark. This just confirmed it all. And i'm not just talking apple, ALL phones do it, or it's seemed like they did to me.

And once you get past that initial anger/surprise at being right all along, the reasoning behind it seems reasonable. They just made a bit of a mistake with not being more upfront about it.

About the only thing I still have a bit of a tinfoil hat moment over, is the fact that those slow downs always seem to start showing their ugly head around that 22-23 month mark, just about when a lot of peoples contracts are coming up for renewal.

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Reply #5 on: January 06, 2018, 08:06:44 AM
since ios my ipad 7 runs dog slow.
To the point that I bought a new Ipad.
Would be interesting to see if it runs better without being throttled & then I raise my issue with apple

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Reply #6 on: January 06, 2018, 12:01:57 PM
I'm by no means Apple's biggest fan, but from what I can gather this has been mostly an exercise in preventing phone crashes and massive battery drain. My iPhone SE never crashes and needs charging once every day and a half roughly with medium use and no sh*tty apps draining it in the background. It also fully charges in under an hour, which is marvellous.

Conversely, I will never touch another Nexus abomination or one of the sh*tty, flawed Pixel phones that all have had inherent faults and cost me hundreds in forced upgrades because they've bricked themselves and nearly lost my data.

I really couldn't give a toss if my phone runs slower in 3/4 years time when realistically I'll probably be considering an upgrade anyway, I'm happy trading that for a phone that just works all the time, backs everything up for me automatically and has frequent no hassle upgrades. The recent shortcomings of CPUs in general are far more concerning.

I would never own an overpriced iMac, but I'm happy to go balls deep on a phone ecosystem.

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Reply #7 on: January 06, 2018, 13:38:51 PM
I really couldn't give a toss if my phone runs slower in 3/4 years time when realistically I'll probably be considering an upgrade anyway, I'm happy trading that for a phone that just works all the time, backs everything up for me automatically and has frequent no hassle upgrades. The recent shortcomings of CPUs in general are far more concerning.

I would never own an overpriced iMac, but I'm happy to go balls deep on a phone ecosystem.

I do give a toss when there is nothing wrong with my ipad - I only used it for basic stuff - internet, check email, etc. - IOS7 rendered it useless as it was just to slow to do anything.
I have had to jailbreak it & run an emulator to run an older IOS as I dont have any backup blobs. - If this was done intentionally by apple, then I  have a big f**king issue. I have no problem with low battery life over performance & it should be choice to choose battery over performance or performance over battery.

As for Imac being overpriced.... I paid £1500 for my imac
iMac (27-inch, Mid 2011)
2.7 GHz Intel Core i5
I upped the ram to 12gb (max it will support supposedly & it run absolutely fine, as well as it did the day I bought it.
£1500 for a machine that is 6 1/2 years old IMO is good value.

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Re: Apple faces lawsuits over slowing older iphones....
Reply #8 on: January 06, 2018, 18:53:07 PM
I'm sure I paid around two thirds of that for an i7 32GB system, so I'll stick by that. Macs are great if you are a luddite, want to buy into their ecosystem or as a developer are too lazy to tool up in windows or use an IDE; other than awkward and antiquated languages, development is just as easy without VMs.

The issues with iOS are tricky because if anything I've seen battery life and performance improve with the latest updates - 7 predates my experience so I couldn't comment. There's worlds of difference between pushing the envelope forward and essentially cutting testing/support for older systems and purposefully degenerating the experience. Even Windows does the same, would you really install windows 10 on a 6+ year old system? Doubtful. You can't even always upgrade Android to the latest version either.

I don't disagree with you that they could make it a choice, too. :thumbup:
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Re: Apple faces lawsuits over slowing older iphones....
Reply #9 on: January 08, 2018, 16:53:16 PM
I had never noticed any slowdown on iPhone at a specific age, but I have always noticed a slow down with each new OS.. which I assumed was just tailoring the OS to the latest hardware rather than intentional..

However the latest update is noticeably slower than the last, I'm on an iPhone 6 and loading Siri can take several seconds before you start speaking.. however I can say that the battery in this phone has outlasted previous phones and I would go as far to say I've not seen any performance drop in terms of battery life though.

I think to be honest they should give the choice and be more transparent about batter condition.. allowing some people to eat more battery for better performance and others opt for battery life.. it should be fairly easy to implement if the phone is already making the decision for you!

On a side note, I think this is the worst IOS release I have seen since the start, there were so many errors (and still are) in the code, some things they changed for the worse for no fathomable reason, some of which they have since rectified.. but other things still don't work right which were fine prior to that last update.. can't help but think that now Steve has gone there is no one there cracking the whip and making sure that his high expectations were met!

I'm considering going to Android currently partly because of the poor OS updates this time around, but also for the reasons of moving over to google home and eventually android TV etc.. but still on the fence about the move, mostly because my phone is my most used bit of tech and I want it to just work.. which is usually why people go for the iPhone I expect.. and all of my experiences with Android have never been quite up to that.. I'm just hoping the later generations are better..

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Re: Apple faces lawsuits over slowing older iphones....
Reply #10 on: January 09, 2018, 07:06:41 AM
I'm considering going to Android currently partly because of the poor OS updates this time around, but also for the reasons of moving over to google home and eventually android TV etc.. but still on the fence about the move, mostly because my phone is my most used bit of tech and I want it to just work.. which is usually why people go for the iPhone I expect.. and all of my experiences with Android have never been quite up to that.. I'm just hoping the later generations are better..

Exactly why I moved to Apple, and for someone like me that dislikes them generally to make such a leap shows how bad my Android hardware experience has been.

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Reply #11 on: January 09, 2018, 07:28:51 AM
android feels like something bolted together in the hope of making it work.
Got plenty of android devices, but they all feel clunky & what works on one device, does not mean it will work on others.

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Reply #12 on: January 10, 2018, 04:18:44 AM
The big thing is your ability to choose to reduce battery life or performance, that would be an informed choice.

What they have ended up with can look like they throttled performance to get people to upgrade to new phones. That is bad for the environment and the owner's pockets.

The operating system requirements should not cause that much of a difference in performance, or users should be warned that it will and given the choice not to upgrade. I wonder if older iphones have suddenly gained some performance after the admission.

They have done similar stunts before.

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Reply #13 on: January 10, 2018, 04:55:28 AM
It is a catch 22 as a company on this one.

1. You do as Apple and keep the phone going
2. The phone blows up or just crashes a lot and gets more annoying.

The feeling from the consumer though is the same in both cases - You are annoyed with your phone and you think about getting a new phone.
A few people who have iphones on older operating systems that apparently do not have the slow down code actually on Youtube already shown how they do indeed crash a lot and updating the OS they run slow but do not crash.

I think Apple is in the wrong by not being transparent about it or giving you any indication that is what they are doing, But as others here - Yes the tek folk like us kind of know companies (and others will be doing it in some form) do this on various products not just phones.

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Reply #14 on: January 10, 2018, 14:20:22 PM
It is a catch 22 as a company on this one.

1. You do as Apple and keep the phone going
2. The phone blows up or just crashes a lot and gets more annoying.

The feeling from the consumer though is the same in both cases - You are annoyed with your phone and you think about getting a new phone.
A few people who have iphones on older operating systems that apparently do not have the slow down code actually on Youtube already shown how they do indeed crash a lot and updating the OS they run slow but do not crash.

I think Apple is in the wrong by not being transparent about it or giving you any indication that is what they are doing, But as others here - Yes the tek folk like us kind of know companies (and others will be doing it in some form) do this on various products not just phones.

there are plenty of battery boosting options from snug cases a phone can sit in to keyring charging, etc.
I personally put it down to 32 bit to 64 bit & thought that is why it struggled. Until apple told us otherwise

All I use that particular Ipad for now is my brewing sessions where the App tells me when I need to sparge, set my boil temp, add additions, hops, etc.

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