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Brexit ?
on: June 05, 2016, 18:48:13 PM
Just curious :)

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Reply #1 on: June 05, 2016, 19:04:01 PM
I'm voting out. The EU is undemocratic and should be replaced with something that is accountable. That's my reason for voting out.

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Reply #2 on: June 05, 2016, 21:20:09 PM
I'm voting out. The EU is undemocratic and should be replaced with something that is accountable. That's my reason for voting out.

I'm not 100% yet, but Sam's summed up perfectly where my current thinking is
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Reply #3 on: June 07, 2016, 16:45:10 PM
I want to vote out, but my area relies on EU funding!

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Reply #4 on: June 07, 2016, 18:22:45 PM
not going to bother voting, don't know enough about it to make an informed decision


understand the appeal of the out vote, but at the same time think we'd be left behind without Europe

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Reply #5 on: June 07, 2016, 18:54:12 PM
I go with knighties thoughts, but I really do not like EU because trade beats environment most of the time and it is big money that has the control and benefits the most,  brexit would probably be bad for the UK because it has gone to long time and we live in it.

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Reply #6 on: June 10, 2016, 15:47:43 PM
There are many issues with staying in or leaving the EU, main problem is the politicians are employing a propaganda and mud slinging war rather than give us good hard facts.

Then there aren't any hard facts, all you know is staying in is more of the same while voting out could be better or worse.

Europe is full of countries that would rather selfishly get as much as they can in their own best interest and a lack of accountability. If they don't like something then it never passes into their law, even though for Britain it's guaranteed.

Normally I would vote stay in, but under the present circumstances I'm severely tempted by out.

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Reply #7 on: June 10, 2016, 23:41:13 PM
Started out as a remain based on usual heart biased leftism ideology and romanticism.

Then began doing more research on it all. My head tells me out more and more, But I'm still not 100%, maybe 75% out.

Tough decision.

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Reply #8 on: June 11, 2016, 07:13:01 AM
Which is the real problem, you can't vote with certainty that one choice is right. This is one of the most complex, toughest, decisions ever.

There are so many variables that even deciding which would be the better option is impossible. There are plenty of dodgy statistics and personal preferences flying around but there is really very little 'informed choice'. Without hard facts, and there aren't any, the politicians and statistics wizards are just spouting personal belief.

The problem is there can't be, you are taking a huge box of dice and throwing the lot. Each individual die can have a disproportionate effect on the result. We might end up better off, or worse off.

Without that both sides are effectively reduced to scaremongering. The polls are entirely neutral 43 in - 42 out - 15 undecided. It could really go either way.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36271589

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Reply #9 on: June 23, 2016, 14:08:13 PM

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Reply #10 on: June 23, 2016, 17:26:40 PM
Brexit bad for premier league, so there you go ;)

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Reply #11 on: June 23, 2016, 20:50:07 PM
I really cant see any good reason for voting to leave.

Our courts still have the final stay on anything, we choose to allow lots of EU laws because they're all about standardisation across the region for easier trade. They also do a huge amount to improve workers rights, food and product quality, human rights etc. It is all summarised as "red tape" but in reality its overwhelmingly positive.

We'd be shooting ourselves in the foot if we left. So many huge multinationals have a base in the US, Asia and Europe. Generally we're the location of choice for Europe because of our fiscal autonomy, great legal system, availability of skilled workers (from all over europe) whilst still benefiting from free trade and standardisation of the region. They're all gone if we leave. Manufacturers, financials services, banks etc etc. Germany becomes a much better option.

The fears that justify the leave vote, things like the EU becoming more powerful or overbearing, implementing new rules which are unfair, other nations joining the EU, the UK getting flooded with migrants etc etc. These are all hypotheticals, if any of these happen we can leave at any point in the future. While we're one of the big 3 in the EU we can influence all of this, if we leave we're done. We cant rejoin.

If you're undecided it makes sense to vote remain, that is to say that there is not enough of a clear case to make a change, so we should delay that decision until we have more information. Remain doesnt stop us leaving. Leave stops us rejoining.




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Reply #12 on: June 24, 2016, 05:50:38 AM
Jesus Christ.

We're out.

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HSBC down 8% on early trading. Gold up 8% (people moving money away from equities and into safe havens).
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Reply #13 on: June 24, 2016, 06:01:13 AM
Bitcoin up from £380 at 5pm yesterday to over £520 right now.  :ptu:

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