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Reply #15 on: April 08, 2021, 03:55:17 AM
Okay so not everyone, but those that do pretend to be patriotic. I'm certainly not patriotic, but I also think the grass isn't always greener either. I don't think Britain is a wholesale embarrassment but our political system is corrupt and our social system leaves a lot to be desired. Maybe if we finally close the doors on the NHS we can call it a real embarrassment. I mean if you really thought it was that sh*t too you'd have left by now surely?

I do find it ironic though that the same stereotypes that voted this way are also the same sort that are happy to shop at Lidl/Aldi instead of buying local, finance German cars, holiday in the Med every year, etc and wanted to retire as idiots abroad in the countries that are now turfing them back out. Not everyone that voted Brexit is one of the above bigoted, xenophobic, isolationists either though.

If it was down to me, I'd have left.  Well, partly down to me.  I didn't do well enough in school to live in any of the places I'd actually want to go, Canada, NZ etc, and the wife is quite happy with all of her family close.  They're quite a close knit group whereas mine isn't.
I appreciate that the not everyone is covered my my previous sweeping statement, but you have to wonder what was going through their heads to think life was going to get any better after leaving a more global community.
Farmers, fishermen, Dock workers, all these industries that rely in EU subsidies to survive voted overwhelmingly to leave.  What were they thinking?


This is the one thing I hear a lot and I think is true. The UK family setup is strange, we may argue or have fall out's but you still want to be close and most lower to middle class families are all within a 15 minute drive of each other max. Just an old school English thing really that.


You go New Zealand and you would be happy as Larry to be quite honest but change for some is hard so you may adjust but the wife may not for example, just different people. The one thing that is hard is no family.
My Parents are in NZ and I am in AU and 2 kids 2 and 4.5 and not having that family babysit time here and there every week hurts.

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Reply #16 on: April 09, 2021, 00:20:24 AM
Fish?  Seemed to be a big push point but no-one wants to buy it from us.

All of the fish we catch is worth about 0.02% of GVA. Most of it has been exported as fresh to Europe because the UK prefers fish like cod.

Before exit we had a super trawler that could fish for cod off the coast of Norway, except now we don't. So not only have we issues with exporting fish we have to import more too. Effectively the extra fish quota is worthless.

Salmon farmers, who were doing a roaring trade within the EU, found that 98% of that market disappeared after January 1st.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02788/

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Reply #17 on: April 09, 2021, 00:47:56 AM
Four months ago we could use the EU rules to freely export to any member country, or any country it had a trade agreement with. Now every EU country has to be treated as both part of the EU and a separate state. The rules are not new, despite claims in the press and on BBC they are old, the bivalve mollusc one is one we wanted put in place while we were members.

That for exporters and importers is dreadful, for financial services is a nightmare. The USA has multiple trade agreements and side deals with the EU, which we lost when we left. The USA prefers us to be inside EU because we formed a political bridge. The deals so far with countries simply replicate the ones we had through the EU, or are worse than that.

Exports to EU countries in January dropped by about 40%. Financial services are setting up abroad and many companies are simply leaving. The really odd one is we have less sovereignty now than before we left. UK has to follow EU rules or be penalized.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56370690

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Reply #18 on: April 09, 2021, 01:29:40 AM
Four months ago we could use the EU rules to freely export to any member country, or any country it had a trade agreement with. Now every EU country has to be treated as both part of the EU and a separate state. The rules are not new, despite claims in the press and on BBC they are old, the bivalve mollusc one is one we wanted put in place while we were members.

That for exporters and importers is dreadful, for financial services is a nightmare. The USA has multiple trade agreements and side deals with the EU, which we lost when we left. The USA prefers us to be inside EU because we formed a political bridge. The deals so far with countries simply replicate the ones we had through the EU, or are worse than that.

Exports to EU countries in January dropped by about 40%. Financial services are setting up abroad and many companies are simply leaving. The really odd one is we have less sovereignty now than before we left. UK has to follow EU rules or be penalized.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56370690
You will need to see it stay there or continue to decline over a longer period though.

With COVID and the switch over to the new trade rules you got to factor that in. I am with your thinking though in that I do not believe the UK Gov did enough of a good deal and exports may be lower and imports costing the tax payer/normal human being in the UK to see prices rise on many goods.

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Reply #19 on: April 09, 2021, 12:18:23 PM
Boris just accepted whatever the EU wanted, provided he got a few more fish to grandstand about. Except he had no idea of the implications what he was signing. All he cares about normally are the headlines in the next 24 hours.

What he should have done was remained inside the single market, which would have given our exporters most of the benefits needed. Britain is not getting any trade agreements that are better than we have through the EU, thinking better agreements outside is cloud cuckoo land.

Labour voted for it because it was better than no deal, but as pointed out it is the thinnest of thin deals and terrible for the UK economy. Physical imports are still not being checked while exports are, so importers are having no issues at all.

BUT that is just physical goods, the financial services are in a much worse position with over £1 trillion of investments already left the UK city of London and that is getting worse. Those are high paid jobs that the UK needs and forms the majority of it's "exports." It is more a slow puncture than a rapid deflation but it is happening.

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