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Re: BT Infinity
Reply #15 on: January 24, 2013, 08:44:03 AM
I work for Plusnet and yes, we do unlimited (really unlimited) 80/20 FTTC and we're trialling FTTP & FTTP on demand.
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Re: BT Infinity
Reply #16 on: January 24, 2013, 08:56:50 AM
Have to say though that my upload speeds are disgraceful with Virgin.  Around 80KB/s.  :thumbdown:

I've never understood that though - why are upload speeds so poor when uploading is a comparatively rare activity?...  :tinhat:

Re: BT Infinity
Reply #17 on: January 24, 2013, 09:06:37 AM
Because the connection from the aggregation point (exchange / cabinet) is asynchronous. If they gave you higher upload speeds they'd need to limit your download :)

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Re: BT Infinity
Reply #18 on: January 24, 2013, 12:30:56 PM
Since the knowledgeable are in here, can someone tell me why I still need to have a landline paid for to the tune of £100+ per year to have fibre when it has it's own wall socket/connection, I thought it didn't run over the regular line? Surely I should be able to have FTTC fitted without needing a phone line?

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Reply #19 on: January 24, 2013, 15:30:24 PM
Since the knowledgeable are in here, can someone tell me why I still need to have a landline paid for to the tune of £100+ per year to have fibre when it has it's own wall socket/connection, I thought it didn't run over the regular line? Surely I should be able to have FTTC fitted without needing a phone line?

I just pay a token account for use of the "metal path"

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Reply #20 on: January 24, 2013, 17:40:04 PM
Since the knowledgeable are in here, can someone tell me why I still need to have a landline paid for to the tune of £100+ per year to have fibre when it has it's own wall socket/connection, I thought it didn't run over the regular line? Surely I should be able to have FTTC fitted without needing a phone line?

Short answer? So Openreach make more money from you.

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Reply #21 on: January 24, 2013, 17:44:51 PM
I just pay a token account for use of the "metal path"

Can you pretened I'm thick (not hard) and elaborate on that for me?

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Reply #22 on: January 24, 2013, 19:02:46 PM
Because the connection from the aggregation point (exchange / cabinet) is asynchronous. If they gave you higher upload speeds they'd need to limit your download :)
Hmm, that doesn't ring true since the upload speed has been pretty much the same whether I have 25Mb or 100Mb.

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Reply #23 on: January 24, 2013, 19:16:55 PM
I just pay a token account for use of the "metal path"

Can you pretened I'm thick (not hard) and elaborate on that for me?
My phone line is voip, all goes over my fibre connection. In turn I have nothing to do with BT. I just have to pay a small amount to send data over the cable, but I have no dial tone.

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Re: BT Infinity
Reply #24 on: January 24, 2013, 19:17:43 PM
Because the connection from the aggregation point (exchange / cabinet) is asynchronous. If they gave you higher upload speeds they'd need to limit your download :)
Hmm, that doesn't ring true since the upload speed has been pretty much the same whether I have 25Mb or 100Mb.

That's because your upload speed is set to whatever the ISP sets it to (+contention, etc.). You could be provisioned on 1/1, 10/1, 100/1... The upload is not proportional to the download.

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Reply #25 on: January 24, 2013, 21:35:22 PM
I just pay a token account for use of the "metal path"

Can you pretened I'm thick (not hard) and elaborate on that for me?
My phone line is voip, all goes over my fibre connection. In turn I have nothing to do with BT. I just have to pay a small amount to send data over the cable, but I have no dial tone.

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How did you manage to get to that? I would love to ditch my phone service and get FTTC. How much do you pay to 'rent the metal'?

At the moment I am with Sky for phone, broadband and TV and it costs £60pm for sh*t tv, a phoneline I dont use and 3mbps BB.

FTTC is available to me but they want an extra 12.50pm and a £50 installation fee. If I can stop paying linerental for the phone I never use that would offset the cost of the FTTC abit.

or I am tempted just to f off sky and go with plusnet
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Reply #26 on: January 24, 2013, 22:07:35 PM
Since the knowledgeable are in here, can someone tell me why I still need to have a landline paid for to the tune of £100+ per year to have fibre when it has it's own wall socket/connection, I thought it didn't run over the regular line? Surely I should be able to have FTTC fitted without needing a phone line?

It's still using the same copper line as you would on an ADSL/SDSL product, it's just a different type of filter.  It's less flexible than ADSL and you can't just run filters from every extension from the house, it's has to be done from the master phone socket.  That being said anyone still running separate filters should seriously look at a filter plate on the their master socket and ditch the separate filters.

If you can't get the equipment next to the master socket, like myself with lack of electrical sockets for Openreach VDSL Modem, Openreach engineers will as part of the connection fee use a "Data Extension Kit" which is just a plain old RJ11 cable that runs up to 30M, the point is, it has to come off that filter and be a dedicated socket.  Really that shouldn't matter as you can just run any length of CAT from the terminating VDSL modem to your Cable/Wan Router port and put it where you want.

This is why I am very confused how on earth Soopah has a VDSL service on a dead phone line, sounds like FTTP to me but he said "metal path"?

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Reply #27 on: January 24, 2013, 22:35:22 PM

How did you manage to get to that? I would love to ditch my phone service and get FTTC. How much do you pay to 'rent the metal'?

At the moment I am with Sky for phone, broadband and TV and it costs £60pm for sh*t tv, a phoneline I dont use and 3mbps BB.

FTTC is available to me but they want an extra 12.50pm and a £50 installation fee. If I can stop paying linerental for the phone I never use that would offset the cost of the FTTC abit.

or I am tempted just to f off sky and go with plusnet

This is exactly the situation I would like to end up in a few months time (my min. 2year business contract with BT expires in April). If I could pay for a 'rent the metal' solution and ditch the phone line I'd be very happy, even if I had to pay for install & modem/router.

I was under the impression that they always fit a dedicated line for fibre from the cab to your house (hence needing an installation) and as such you shouldn't need regular telephony at all if you don't want it.

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Reply #28 on: January 24, 2013, 23:17:19 PM
Because the connection from the aggregation point (exchange / cabinet) is asynchronous. If they gave you higher upload speeds they'd need to limit your download :)
Hmm, that doesn't ring true since the upload speed has been pretty much the same whether I have 25Mb or 100Mb.

That's because your upload speed is set to whatever the ISP sets it to (+contention, etc.). You could be provisioned on 1/1, 10/1, 100/1... The upload is not proportional to the download.
Thanks - is it feasable to get it upgraded, if only by a wee bit?  And, more to the point, is it worth asking?

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Reply #29 on: January 25, 2013, 00:02:56 AM
I'm not with BT that's why. Fttc providers not on BT can offer metal path lines.
I'm on digital region which is south Yorkshire only.
I pay about a fiver for the line, and 25 for 40/10 but my broad band pisses on virgins and BT.
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