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Computer generated abuse [to be] banned
on: May 29, 2008, 02:51:55 AM
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Computer generated abuse banned

Drawings and computer-generated images of child sex abuse would be made illegal under proposals announced by Justice Minister Maria Eagle.

Owners of such images would face up to three years in prison under the plans.

The Obscene Publications Act makes it illegal to sell or distribute photos of child abuse but it is legal to own drawings and computer-generated images.

Ms Eagle said the proposed move would "help close a loophole that we believe paedophiles are using".

The plans are part of the governments response to a public consultation exercise carried out last year.

The government has acknowledged that paedophiles may be circumventing the law by using computer technology to manipulate real photographs or videos of abuse into drawings or cartoons.

A Ministry of Justice spokeswoman said the authorities had "noticed an increase in the existing availability of these images on the internet".

She said: "If we do not address the issues these images raise now it is likely their availability will continue to grow.

"They are often advertised as a legitimate depiction of child sexual abuse."

Unacceptable images

The spokeswoman said police and child welfare groups had expressed concern at the "growing increase in availability of these depictions of child sexual abuse".

Ms Eagle said the plans were "not about criminalising art or pornographic cartoons more generally, but about targeting obscene, and often very realistic, images of child sexual abuse which have no place in our society".

Shaun Kelly, safeguarding manager for childrens charity NCH, said the proposals were a step in the right direction.

He said: "This is a welcome announcement which makes a clear statement that drawings or computer-generated images of child abuse are as unacceptable as a photograph.

"It adds to the range of measures to help ensure the safeguarding of children and young people."

The Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (Ceop) works to track down paedophiles and identify children via online images. It welcomed the move.

"We are positive that there is a need to clarify this position in law and believe that people actively seeking out, creating or sharing images of young children being abused represent a potentially significant risk. We are therefore committed to further engage with the Ministry Of Justice to ensure the most effective measures possible are implemented," said Ceop chief executive Jim Gamble.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7422595.stm

About time but... What about all the manga videos and magazines that are out there in the UK? Will they all be pulled too?

Anyone disagree with me and think that some of this is a step too far? :shrug:

Re: Computer generated abuse [to be] banned
Reply #1 on: May 29, 2008, 07:24:28 AM
I think its going to be hard to prove if an image is of a child or a young looking person. How is that legally possible? Are do Manga movies contain childeren or people of consentual age?
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Re: Computer generated abuse [to be] banned
Reply #2 on: May 29, 2008, 10:51:48 AM
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I think its going to be hard to prove if an image is of a child or a young looking person. How is that legally possible? Are do Manga movies contain childeren or people of consentual age?


Exactly. Theyve already started down a slippery slope and whilst banning all forms of child pornography is only a good thing one wonders where it will lead and what other things will eventually be banned. Not too long ago they banned "extreme pornography" so possession of such images (S&M, bondage etc) can also get you a criminal sentence and a nice spot on the sex offenders register.

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Reply #3 on: May 29, 2008, 19:13:47 PM
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Not too long ago they banned "extreme pornography" so possession of such images (S&M, bondage etc) can also get you a criminal sentence and a nice spot on the sex offenders register.

Bloody hell, really?  I hadnt realised this country had become so draconian.

Manga aside, what a great name she has.
 

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Reply #4 on: May 31, 2008, 01:21:56 AM
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I think its going to be hard to prove if an image is of a child or a young looking person. How is that legally possible? Are do Manga movies contain childeren or people of consentual age?


It isnt whether they are under the age of consent but if they look under age. In cartoons there would be no such thing as an age of consent, which is why they are doing this.

I could probably hunt around and find some sick s**t but Id rather not bother. There are plenty of manga videos out there with images of schoolgirls getting raped, usually by multi-tentacled monsters.

Computer generated abuse [to be] banned
Reply #5 on: May 31, 2008, 13:35:02 PM
I agree that there are blatant cases where the people in the animation are clearly under age but i dont see how the law can draw the line (no pun intended).
Pretty much every Manga film ive seen the female characters are young looking (which imo reflects the fact that asian girls tend to look younger than western girls).

My concern is that since there is no way of proving if the character is above or below some set age then people could be charged with paedophilia for watching any manga style film.
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Reply #6 on: June 22, 2008, 18:50:36 PM
so by this logic kids should get put on the sex offenders lists for life for drawing pictures of dicks.

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Reply #7 on: June 22, 2008, 21:11:55 PM
does this mean I gotta delete my collection of cartoon porn like the simpsons?

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Reply #8 on: June 22, 2008, 22:18:23 PM
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I think its going to be hard to prove if an image is of a child or a young looking person. How is that legally possible? Are do Manga movies contain childeren or people of consentual age?


exactly tbh...

fair enough if some sick f*** has toddlers or babies or something but tbh.. its going to be a bit of a grey area if the artist has say drawn what he/she claims to be a woman who looks 14 as opposed to a 14 year old - given that there exist 18 year olds who look a few years younger & given that a cartoon of either, by definition, is indistinguishable the law in this instance would be unworkable.

and tbh.. would art work like this be illegal if someone drew a cartoon of it?


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Reply #9 on: June 22, 2008, 23:28:48 PM
Thats not artwork. its just screwed up. :\

Why not just shove the statues in a giant jumper? Itd have been equally as effective.

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Reply #10 on: June 23, 2008, 01:31:49 AM
I agree totally with M3ta7h3ad, theres no real need for that except to show that the creator is totally screwed in the head...

Or perhaps thats what its meant to convey? :/

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