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Chat => General Discussion => Topic started by: Bacon on September 03, 2015, 18:59:45 PM
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So i did my back in at work, too much heavy lifting and i have been recommend to take a week or two off work
I am on the following drugs, maybe someone can shed some light on them:
Paracetamol
Codeine
Naproxen
Amitriptyline
Its been a couple of days and i can walk now, 2 days ago i could hardly speak over the pain.
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painkiller
painkiller
anti-inflammatory
muscle relaxant
guessing you got those from your doctor ?
the codeine is going to make you seriously constipated... like not taking a dump for a week constipated
and I'm pretty sure that muscle relaxant has side effects you don't want... it's the kind of thing they give to crazy people to calm them down
Paracetamol is great, naff all side effects, plus it interacts with other pain killers in a good way to make them more effective without making you overdose etc.. so keep taking that one
as soon as you can, cut down on the others over a few days and stop taking them, take ibuprofen instead, a lot less side effects and you'll feel much better when you stop taking it compared to the others... keep taking them all and you'll feel rough as hell when you stop taking them
tell me how many / what size / how often you're taking them and I'll check with my sister again - she's a pain specialist and does this stuff every day :-)
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I had the Ami ones for tension headaches a while ago, all I can say is watch out for weird dreams.
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I'd assume Amitriptyline are the worst, they give drowsy effects in the morning, i plan on cutting them out in a couple of nights as i want to be back to work next Monday if poss.
I will however keep taking the pain killers and anti inflammatory, the pain is too much for Ibuprofen, i'm glad i have something stronger.
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get on the blower to an ambulance chaser. When theres pain theres a claim!
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I don't like the sound of any of that, can't you get some 'strong herbs' ;) Get well soon either way chief :)
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I will however keep taking the pain killers and anti inflammatory, the pain is too much for Ibuprofen, i'm glad i have something stronger.
paracetamol+ibuprofen are surprisingly good
you won't notice the difference in pain level / the effect the pain killers are having
after a week on codeine and naproxen you'll feel like sh*t, but you'll automatically blame it on your back not the drugs (because that makes more seance at the time)
don't mean to dismiss the pain you're in, or play it down
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I will however keep taking the pain killers and anti inflammatory, the pain is too much for Ibuprofen, i'm glad i have something stronger.
paracetamol+ibuprofen are surprisingly good
you won't notice the difference in pain level / the effect the pain killers are having
after a week on codeine and naproxen you'll feel like sh*t, but you'll automatically blame it on your back not the drugs (because that makes more seance at the time)
don't mean to dismiss the pain you're in, or play it down
Its ok i understand how bad these pain killers are, i will be off them by Monday as i can't afford to be off work
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keep taking ibuprofen for at least another week, it's an anti-inflammatory (am I spelling that right???)
it reduces the swelling in your back muscles and between the joints which makes it all heal faster :-)
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I will do thanks, i know you have a lot of experience in healing. :P
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painkiller
painkiller
anti-inflammatory
muscle relaxant
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the codeine is going to make you seriously constipated...
Depends, for some it does, I need medication for it, which causes it's own problems. For others it doesn't produce any adverse symptoms.
Paracetamol is great, naff all side effects,
Latest research is showing that paracetamol is often useless for back pain, like I and many other sufferers have been telling them for years. Even worse long term use of paracetamol can be bad for you. Short term use is fine - providing you don't take too much. It's usual for doctors to prescribe a combined cocodamol tablet rather than two separate drugs. Taking paracetamol for long periods can paradoxically cause headaches.
http://www.nhs.uk/news/2015/04April/Pages/Paracetamol-not-effective-for-lower-back-pain-or-arthritis.aspx
Naproxen is a Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflamatory, a stronger relative to ibuprofen. As a side effect of reducing inflammation it reduces pain. These drugs may rarely produce side effects such as chest pain or stomach issues.
Amitriptyline is an anti-depressant also used as a muscle relaxant. Again this can reduce pain. It also has a range of side effects.
Always check with a doc if possible before you cut down. If you get side effects consider stopping then talk to the doc.
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paracetamol is included because it increases the effect of the other drugs without any side effects
hospitals give paracetamol at the same time as morphine, (and have done to me) because it's better to give you 100ml of morphine and 2 paracetamol than give you 125ml of morphine (pulled the numbers out of my ass as an example))
because morphine (or whatever drug they give you) normally have side effects and/or there's a pretty tight limit to how much they can give you
Jamie is the only one who knows how much pain he is in, how much it's effecting him and how well the pain killers are working, he's young, strong, fit and healthy. I don't want to put words in his mouth but he's already said he wants to get back to work ASAP, so I'm guessing he's not bothered about a bit of pain, or a bit of an ache as long as his back gets better and he can work.
I re-typed my earlier posts about 3 times each because I didn't want to dismiss the pain he's in, but I posted anyway because if he takes all those for 2 weeks, as soon as he stops he'll feel like he's been hit by a truck
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I will do thanks, i know you have a lot of experience in healing. :P
more experience of getting injured... and tbh it's getting to the point where I'm going to have to start being careful just to stop people thinking I'm some kind of nutter doing it on purpose
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Being accident prone and being a nutter are two different things. :P
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well.... I did get to ride in a helicopter / air ambulance once... so at least I've got that going for me ?
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Being accident prone and being a nutter are two different things. :P
They are not mutually exclusive though. Alan sits in the middle of that chart!
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paracetamol is included because it increases the effect of the other drugs without any side effects
I re-typed my earlier posts about 3 times each because I didn't want to dismiss the pain he's in, but I posted anyway because if he takes all those for 2 weeks, as soon as he stops he'll feel like he's been hit by a truck
Paracetamol in high doses can kill, high being 16 tablets. It can also cause damage over time if excessively taken. They often prescribe it just in case it will make a difference and sometimes even if it is known it won't. It is often used by doctors as a placebo substitute. The research isn't complete yet and needs more work. Then there is getting the message out.
The opposite side is that going back early can turn a temporary injury into a permanent one, or make it worse. I used to work on ambulances and have seen this many times in the health service. The want is to get back into work, prove yourself and do stuff, which might be the worst thing possible.
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I don't need to prove myself, but i can't sit at home earning SSP which i believe is £88 a week.
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Chocolate in high doses can kill, high being 27lb for an average adults. It can also cause damage over time if excessively taken.
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A little update
I am now taking, Paracetamol, Ibuprofen and Naproxen. i have cut the codeine out unless i feel i need a boost. The Amitriptyline has been increased to a dosage of 3 per night, lastnight i noticed i slept far better, and this morning until the Amitriptyline wore off, i felt much more able bodied.
I am still in a lot of pain and still have a lot of trouble walking, i have also noticed that the more i bend my left leg the pain increases and most of the cramping i am having is in the left side of my back.
The Dr told me to come back in and perhaps try some different pills, they have offered Diazepam and Liquid Morphine.
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Other muscles than your back ones get overused thats why the pain in the leg.
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Have you been to see Dr Greenthumb yet :yarr:
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Diazepam is a muscle relaxant... but it messes with your brain too (they give it to depressed people too)
Liquid Morphine, must be oramorph ? depending on your dose, it'll stop all the pain dead 10min after you take it, it's seriously powerful stuff... if you take it be careful you don't work too hard / do too much while you're pain free and feeling great because you'll make your back worse working too much too soon
did the doc say anything about phisio ? a decent phisio can give you some exercises / stretches etc.. to do which as dumb as it sounds will make a big difference. you should be able to get a phone number from your doc, or just the doctors office, you phone up and make your own appointment no hassle etc.
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I went out the other day for a walk around the supermarket which was a chore, and in the night i was in agony.
Today i decided against calling back for the stronger pain killers as taking more of the muscle relaxant before i goto sleep seems to be doing something as i feel much more able in the mornings.
I will see how it goes this week, as for Physio i am on the list which is currently 8 weeks.
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I don't need to prove myself, but i can't sit at home earning SSP which i believe is £88 a week.
That is what I wanted back in 1996 when put on the sick by the doc, was hoping a few weeks and back to work. Sick pay is sh*tty.
Other muscles than your back ones get overused thats why the pain in the leg.
This can also indicate a trapped nerve. Then sometimes pain can also be transferred to different parts of the body, either further away from the injury or back along the nerve path.
Diazepam is Valium, a drug much used in anxiety disorders, alcohol withdrawal and as a muscle relaxant. As with liquid morphine both are addictive and should be taken carefully. That the doc is offering you this combination indicates that the problem probably isn't going to just go away quickly.
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SSP changed this year, originally your employer pays you SSP and then claimed it back from the government, but now it all comes out of the companies pocket... if your boss was a decent guy and you're not going to be off for too long (6 months etc..) they'd normally pay you more than the SSP (the extra coming out of the companies pocket)
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I will have to see what happens regarding pay.
Also, i suspect there is nerve damage as well, as it feels like it.
I didn't call the Dr back yet, will see how it goes until next Monday