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Chat => General Discussion => Topic started by: Pete on April 07, 2010, 17:50:35 PM
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Who are you voting for and why?
If you arent sure theres a quiz thing here - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7541285/Vote-Match-General-Election-2010.html
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Tory, but TBH it makes no difference what I vote because I live in Tory heartland, the chances of my local MP being any colour other than blue are slightly less than those of the LHC conjouring a black hole and killing us all.
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I just wish they had a none of the above option. So what if itd cost us money having to do another election poll afterwards, itd hopefully give the govt a good enough kick up the backside, pointing out that they havent been getting in because theyre good, but because people are voting for the lesser of two evils, and maybe make them realise they need to up the game a bit.
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it doesnt really matter as 90% of our laws and decisions will be made for us by the EU.
Ill probably vote tory just to try and get rid of that slack jawed moron Brown, not that it will make any difference around here in labour loving hick-ville
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62% ukip
61% bnp
ill vote for whoever is likely to get that bumbling scottish fat wanker out on the dole.
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it doesnt really matter as 90% of our laws and decisions will be made for us by the EU./quote]
Well youre incredibly clued up on the impact of the EU.
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I just wish they had a none of the above option. So what if itd cost us money having to do another election poll afterwards, itd hopefully give the govt a good enough kick up the backside, pointing out that they havent been getting in because theyre good, but because people are voting for the lesser of two evils, and maybe make them realise they need to up the game a bit.
I couldnt agree with you more.
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Are they all just sh*t right now? It is a case of lesser of the two evils?
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Tory because Labour under Brown have made one too many terrible decisions.
Ignoring, pressuring and generally ruining the ACMD has really annoyed me, upping Canabis to B, making MCat class B against scientific recomendation.
The digital rights bill that supports big companies at the expense of everyone else.
The sell off of gold reserves at golds lowest point
The retraction of plans for a supercasino on the whim of Brown
The 50% tax rate for high earners, banker bonus tax based on public ignorance not economical sense, anti-city sentiment in general, the proposed increase in national insurance aka tax on jobs.
Some of the reasons Brown annoys me and why Ill be voting tory.
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I thought the digital rights bill was in favour from most of the parties now, in one shape or another?
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Ill be voting Conservatives as I think that Labour has become tired, especially in recent years, and that a change is needed. The Lib Dem’s policy on Europe rules them out for me and other parties are just too small to make a difference.
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I wont be walking down the road to vote for any of these faecal puddles. Its pretty obvious the Tories will be getting into power anyway and it will be the same story.
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I thought the digital rights bill was in favour from most of the parties now, in one shape or another?
Yes, pretty annoying really. I think Lib dems still say their against it but there was no display of the in the voting. Tories came out as backing it a week or so ago which is a shame.
On the upside they dropped Clause 43 in the wash up which was going to savage photographers copyright of their own images. Hopefully the rest of the bill will also be trashes in the house of commons althought that seems unlikely. On the one hand the government is calling the internet a basic human right and on the other its giving itself the power to cut people off. Removing someones basic human right? Sounds like an EU law infringement to me.
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Im just looking forward to the end of Communism.
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You shouldnt not vote because you think "theyre all as bad as each other". Pick who you think is the least worst.
If you dont vote, I dont want to hear you complain for the next 5 year.
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As with the Thatcher years and afterwards I think Labour has been in power too long, but, I dont want the Tories in either, at least not with the present leader.
Guess I will vote Lib Dem, if nothing better comes along.
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Thats a good idea. The more labour voters who vote lib dem, the easier it will be for Tories to win.
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Tories are certainly winning the election campaigns so far imo. The popularist tax breaks and ~cuts seem to be winning them votes but there isnt really much substance to them. They havent justified how theyll pay for them, more public sector cuts is great but the amount of savings that theyre claiming they can make need to be detailed - these are savings above and beyond what labour claim they can make.
I like the £150 tax break for marriage, i do think it should be encouraged. I also like Camerons guts in stepping up and saying hes pro-hunt.
Im impressed labour hasnt lowered itself to claiming it can cut taxes and increase spending, their budget looks far more reasonable than the Tories. Its still stuck with Brown leading who has just a few too many strikes against him now, although Cameron is obviously not a likeable fellow, too posh and too sleazy for a lot of people, but he somehow has the edge over Brown imo.
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Tbh I wonder how many of the votes will actually be "informed" in the sense of people looking at all the groups policies, and choosing, as opposed to "voting for the other one" in the sense of voting tory to get rid of Labour, or vice versa.
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Thats the thing, Tories are replicating Obamas vote for change campaign, its sensible there will be a lot of anti-Brown and anti-Labour sentiment out there which needs to be picked up. I saw a Tory flyer the other day that really focused on voting for anyone else is a vote for labour and brown. I dont like it, voting for change isnt voting for anything.
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the problem is..... does anyone really trust any of them to make any big changes ? or do anything different ?
theyre all the bloody same....
personally... I think we need a PM with enough balls to make changes, and most importantly... the balls to make unpopular decisions
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That would be nice but thats clearly not Brown or Cameron sadly, pretty sure its not Clegg either. Voting for other parties means you may get an outgoing prime minister thats happy making changes but youll also probably have extremist policies.
So its best of a bad bunch really. Lets be honest, were all looking over the pond and saying "awww, why cant we have someone as cool as Obama".
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hehe yeah.
As you say about trust etc...Labour is a known evil, it just comes down to how bad you think they are to warrant the risk of a different govt...I kinda am thinking Tory just on the grounds of they cant be too much worse...and you never know, they may even be better...
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youll also probably have extremist policies.
oh theres no way Id vote of any of those Nazis :thumbdown:
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At least you guys dont have actual murdering scumbag terrorists and gangsters in power.
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That questionnaire only served to show how close the 3 main parties in this country are now.
I gave my answers the best I could and they were all split by about 5%. Useless.
Im gonna be voting on local issues and whether or not my local MP has done the job well enough in recent times. If not Ill look towards new parties.
If I were to vote on a national agenda itd have to be Lib Dem I think. Mainly because in Vince Cable they have some one who seems to talk sense on the economy and its paramount we get the best minds involved in getting a recovery started.
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Thats a good idea. The more labour voters who vote lib dem, the easier it will be for Tories to win.
Unfortunately I live in an area that tends to vote Labour en masse, so me voting Lib Dem isnt going to improve matters for them much.
Tories are certainly winning the election campaigns so far imo. The popularist tax breaks and ~cuts seem to be winning them votes
Really? more like Labour catching up. They might just scrape through.
http://www.politics.co.uk/analysis/general-election-2010/election-2010-the-polls-$1363866.htm
Im impressed labour hasnt lowered itself to claiming it can cut taxes and increase spending, their budget looks far more reasonable than the Tories. Its still stuck with Brown leading who has just a few too many strikes against him now, although Cameron is obviously not a likeable fellow, too posh and too sleazy for a lot of people, but he somehow has the edge over Brown imo.
Labour, despite the worldwide economic problem, is the devil you know. Brown has otherwise been able to keep the economy stable, despite issues with internal legal legislation and Iraq/Afghanistan. I doubt if any of us will find out how deeply he was really involved in the Iraq invasion issue before the election.
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Got my first leaflet through the door today from the Lib Dem’s. Say what you want about them they are always on the ball with their campaigning in my area, with the most posters up and the first to get leaflets through the door. Im still not voting for them though. :D
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Hands-up the bumstuffers whove voted Labour previously?
Thanks a lot.... :disappointed:
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Tories have continued to reel off expensive proposals in their manifesto, inheritance tax threshold to £1m, increased NHS spending for 5 years, no increase in national insurance, raising stamp duty threshold for first time buyers, tax break for married couples, 10k more uni places ... the list goes on.
Sadly they havent been able to justify where most of this cash is coming from, unspecified public sector cuts. Im trying to give them the benefit of the doubt, assuming they do in fact know where they can make the cuts but dont want to announce it as it will be drastic and probably unpopular.
Labour were no better in their manifesto, they justified £20bn of the £38bn of savings they claimed they will make. They arent even trying tbh.
EDIT: How could I forget, the very annoying and more ridiculous proposal from the Tories, charging a bond to foreign students to come to the UK to study which they have returned when the leave. We desperately need foreign educated workers, during the time theyre here theyre a low burden on society and highly productive. They students hugely supplement our university system with their payments, and we are incentiveising them to leave once theyre educated which is the opposite of what we should be doing. An idiotic policy.
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EDIT: How could I forget, the very annoying and more ridiculous proposal from the Tories, charging a bond to foreign students to come to the UK to study which they have returned when the leave. We desperately need foreign educated workers, during the time theyre here theyre a low burden on society and highly productive. They students hugely supplement our university system with their payments, and we are incentiveising them to leave once theyre educated which is the opposite of what we should be doing. An idiotic policy.
but plenty come over on bogus student visas & dont contribute, so they have to be seen as doing somthing..
Just read them both, one seems full of bullsh*t & lies & the other seems like some ideas written down in a 5minute brainstorming session, while passing around a copy of the sun & the guardian.
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but plenty come over on bogus student visas & dont contribute, so they have to be seen as doing somthing..
I can see what theyre trying to achieve, but surely those who are on fake visas will avoid paying the bond as well? Only students legally here will have to pay this bond. Also capping the number of skilled migrants coming here is a bad move, unskilled mass migration yes, but skilled labour no. If i look around at work probably 30% of the worforce is non-EU, highly skilled and educated workers from all over the world, American, Irish, South African, Austrailian, Indian, Pakistani. It huge organisation cant hire internation workers because of immigration caps there it will adversly affect the economy.
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I can see what theyre trying to achieve, but surely those who are on fake visas will avoid paying the bond as well? Only students legally here will have to pay this bond. Also capping the number of skilled migrants coming here is a bad move, unskilled mass migration yes, but skilled labour no. If i look around at work probably 30% of the worforce is non-EU, highly skilled and educated workers from all over the world, American, Irish, South African, Austrailian, Indian, Pakistani. It huge organisation cant hire internation workers because of immigration caps there it will adversly affect the economy.
its because people say theres high unemployment.. go to any jobcentre for a look of those unemployed... I wouldnt give a job to the majority of them either.
The NHS would prob crumble if it wasnt for the migrant workers, but people complain about migrants & are to stupid to understand the difference between being here legally & ilegally...
The countries you listed your workforce btw are all english speaking nations, I doubt you have many middle-east or french africans?
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(http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/55979/1263922329/SmugCameron.jpg)
I thought the digital rights bill was in favour from most of the parties now, in one shape or another?
In principle, yes. Its still a joke.
I like the £150 tax break for marriage, i do think it should be encouraged. I also like Camerons guts in stepping up and saying hes pro-hunt.
Im impressed labour hasnt lowered itself to claiming it can cut taxes and increase spending, their budget looks far more reasonable than the Tories. Its still stuck with Brown leading who has just a few too many strikes against him now, although Cameron is obviously not a likeable fellow, too posh and too sleazy for a lot of people, but he somehow has the edge over Brown imo.
I dont agree with Tax breaks for marrige, I dont agree with it being beneficial to be single either. Camerons push for a Family based UK does push my buttons. Personal lives and choices have no place in politics and should not be influenced by some backhand cash deal.
I havent made my mind up who to vote for, Brown has impressed with me the steady iron fist he has provided the last few months. Hes made the right decisions where needed. He may not be the most likeable person or the best personality but should give a sh*t about that.
Nick Clegg, I do like his entusiasm for not going for the "Birth Right" vote of Labour or Tory governments and actually having clean politics, if there is such a thing. But I really dont have a clue what they stand for.
Cameron from day one has been a walking PR machine for me and a series of contradictions, how many months did he mention Tax breaks for marrige and not tell us whether he was going to put in the manifesto or not. I still cant get my head around a party called Conservatives with a slogan, a year for change. I still dont know what he stands for other than telling us how bad the others are.
I will vote this year, but I fear I may have to vote for the devil I know.
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Im in two minds. I think the lib dems might inject some youthful vigor into politics but their policy to scrap trident/trident replacement is intolerable and I wouldnt vote for them on that basis alone. If they were to change that however I would consider voting for them.
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Im in two minds. I think the lib dems might inject some youthful vigor into politics but their policy to scrap trident/trident replacement is intolerable and I wouldnt vote for them on that basis alone. If they were to change that however I would consider voting for them.
:stupid: Getting rid of Trident would be stupidly short-sighted imo.
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Im in two minds. I think the lib dems might inject some youthful vigor into politics but their policy to scrap trident/trident replacement is intolerable and I wouldnt vote for them on that basis alone. If they were to change that however I would consider voting for them.
trident can be extended... america arent renewing theirs, they are extending it..
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trident can be extended... america arent renewing theirs, they are extending it..
Thats nice........the lib dems are still scrapping it though
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Im not sure if it bothers me more that "none" is currently second in our little pole, or that according to http://www.ukpolitical.info/Turnout45.htm thats about right for the proportion of people who wont vote.
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Tory:
+ Marriage Allowance
+ Increased inheritance tax threshold
+ Vote on hunting ban
- Bond for foreign students
- Theyre anti new runway at heathrow
Labour:
+ Economic policy and alignment with the financial services sector
- Increase in national insurance
- Treatment of the Drug Advisory Council
Lib Dem dislikes:
- Scrapping of Trident
- Diabolical plan for financial services reform
- Plan to break up large banks
- Plan to cap cash bonuses at £2.5k
+ Nick Clegg and his wife but only because hes in competition with two useless puppets.
None of the parties align closely with my views, if going to be very much a compromise.
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I was not going to bother but I might vote torys now in an attempt to avoid a hung parliament.
The way I see it is Labour have more than had their chance and have royally f**ked up, big time. Especially that slack jawed, 1 eyed monster ex chancellor.
Lib dems are all tree hugging hippies that will price us all off the roads and onto bikes and piss stinking buses and will leave us open to an ass rapping by any country that fancies some land, if there is any land left after 1million illegal immigrants come here to live.
Torys seem to have the most common sense approach to tax, the debt, immigration and public spending.
Also as a petrolhead tory is the only way to vote imo.
only thing I dont agree with is their policy on fox hunting, sick f**kers, how anyone can get enjoyment out of watching a poor fox getting ripped to shreds is beyond me.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8643676.stm
Seems the tories are worried that it might end up a hung parliament.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/scotland/8647206.stm
But I bet they wish they had hung this one instead of giving him a second chance.
Latest poll of polls
Con 33%
Lab 28%
LD 30%
Other 9%
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This election is really exposing the issues with our first past the post voting system, labour can be a long way into third place and still take the government because of a large number of low population safe labour constituencies.
Dont really know a huge amount about the reality of the other proposed systems to comment on the various moves towards proportional representation.
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True proportional representation would mean that we would always have a coalition government in. That according to some is a bad idea, to others a good one.
Coalitions can be rather less stable than absolute majority, it also means a lot more discussion getting legislation through but would also tend to prevent dodgy legislation being passed by a single party.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8427233.stm
Plenty of other countries do run on a proportional system and have no real problems doing so.
Chances are though, once the switch was made, the Tories would have real problems ever getting in again. That is probably the biggest reason why they are so against it.
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Ill be voting Conservative.
Id be willing to give LibDem a chance but the risk of letting Labour in is far too great... and theyre nuclear disarming wimps to boot.
Bout time marriage and family was given recognition again, albeit a minor nod. We should work to stigmatise (once more) "partnerships" and more importantly, single mothers.
Pro Hunt? Not all that bothered but I would like my guns back please.
:cheers:
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I think that the entire tax and benefits system needs a shake-up rather than just giving male/female partnerships a nod.
Two gays or lesbians move in together and they can do whatever they like, they are treated as separate people.
Mixed sex couple move in together and they are instantly penalised and treated as possible criminals.
I would prefer that everyone be treated equally, unfortunately Im not sure the present tax system could stand it.
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Cut immigration by 95% and train OUR OWN people to fill the jobs...
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its not a lack of training causing so many of our own people not to work....
its that fact that theyre fat and lazy, and live too well off the state to worry about working for a living !
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Well, if education was improved and their scummy kids were forced to attend school, the country wouldnt now be in this mess...
Why are they lazy? Because the State makes it easy for them to be lazy.
Time for Change. Real hardline change.
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I am finding this fascinating...
The Lib Dems were in a prime spot to do well in this election simple because the other guys are sh*te. BUT because they are too and their leader is well... "who the hell is he?" They have done very badly.
BUT
They now have the biggest say on what happens next. Who they back as a coalition will set the tone from here on in. So the smallest party with the least interest now rests their finger on the button. Labour seem not to be making it easy and Gordon Brown will not be resigning and the Lib Dems will be able to cut deals with which ever wants it most to get some of their polices into action.
Till the next election things are not going to happen very easily either now, very interesting.
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Seems pretty obvious that its in the interest of the Lib Dems and Conservatives to join for the majority. I cant see Labour holding on, try as hard as they will. The sooner Brown and that serpent Mandelson are out, the better.
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Looks like the Tories and LD are discussing an unholy pact. Doubt if anything will be sorted before at least Monday.
Getting rid of Brown and Mandy would certainly improve Labour chances if it all goes pear shaped within a year. Problem is who replaces Brown?
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A Conservative PM....
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Milliand or Balls will step into Browns seat.
Im really hoping torys dont sacrifice too much to the lib dems. a vote on PR is fine, but more would suck.
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I find it interesting in the sense that the outcome of the election still kind of reflects the general vibe of peoples view on the govt, in the sense that people have lost faith in labour, whilst not trusting the tories enough to put them in power, ish.
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Milliand or Balls will step into Browns seat.
Im really hoping torys dont sacrifice too much to the lib dems. a vote on PR is fine, but more would suck.
I would love to see Balls as the PM, that would make Labour as electable as when Foot was in charge!
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A Conservative PM....
Thatcher was so far to the right you could hardly call her Conservative. Since then they have put in a series of grey compromise men with none of them being electable.
Im not sure about the present one either, he just doesnt seem right. Still a bit too extremist for my preference.
With the Conservatives so far to the right the Labour party moved over into their old position of moderate conservatism by installing Blair!
If you dont think thats the case then have a look at the taxation system and independent bank of England.
The Lib Dems problem now is they have been bypassed, with Labour appealing to its old leftist roots still but also to moderate conservatives.
Had Blair been more against the invasion of Iraq and insisted on real, solid evidence before going in he would still be in power now. Had he admitted fault and made sure the way Iraq was being handled was changed he would probably have been forgiven and still be there. Eventually he seems to have gone for the same reasons Thatcher was kicked out.
If they get a proper conservative, like Tarzan Hesseltine in then I would vote for them.
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this is what happens when monkeys are in charge of other monkeys.