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What the hell happened to the bbc news site?
on: March 31, 2008, 18:07:33 PM
I have to say this is the worst changing of a website i have seen in ages. The old site was one of the best sites around before the change, decently compact, nicely laid out. Now it is massively spaced, feels like i am reading a website designed for people with impaired vision. I dont have a problem with them having an option for visual impairment, but a good website should be scalable to allow it, xhtml etc, but this seems like an excuse to use more screen space, there is no more content.

I find it harder to read the content as the font seems faded and spaced out. With more whitespace between letters, words and paragraphs and the faded content it is making it really low contrast. The border is twice as thick at the top meaning i have to scroll before i actually get to the content i want. Again as the content is spaced out even more it makes it even longer to scroll down to read articles.

Also it is now much wider, which doesnt affect me as i have moved to widescreen monitors, but someone with an old pc, there are people who are still on 800x600 around who dont want to move.

You have to wonder, if something isnt broke, dont fix it, and tbh, the old website wasnt broken, it was great.

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Reply #1 on: March 31, 2008, 19:19:56 PM
I think this is much better, for all the reasons you said.

The extra white space makes it much cleaner and easier to read. Its maybe a little excessive in the "around the UK now" section, but otherwise its a nice improvement.

http://news.bbc.co.uk <- you lazy gits
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Reply #2 on: March 31, 2008, 19:25:17 PM
I demand that the top post has a link to the BBC news website as some of us are just too plain lazy to have to type in bbc.co.uk/news in the browser at the top...

(Plus IMO its good form, when commenting on a website, to link to it, even if it is obvious...just in case theres a 5 year old whos only just discovered the net today, browsing...)


But in answer to the original question, I cant really comment as I hardly, if ever, go on news sites. But looking at it, it doesnt look too bad. The only thing is at first it feels like my browsers playing up again and it hasnt fully loaded the CSS. Kinda get used to backgrounds other than plain white...

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Reply #3 on: March 31, 2008, 23:26:17 PM
You should have seen it when it first came up
CSS was missing and is still missing in many areas so you know, they are still working on it live which is a bit wrong and now and again you click the links and you get the old style site.
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/7767/bbcsitegp6.jpg

I posted this in the bbc new site thread by the way
http://www.tekforums.co.uk/posts/list/11512.page

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Reply #4 on: March 31, 2008, 23:48:12 PM
haha, that explains a few things, when i went to the bbc originally, I got the old version, now I get the yucky purple one. Itd be ok if it was black, blue or green...


...but whats this...you can change the colour? Win!

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Reply #5 on: April 01, 2008, 00:42:05 AM
You can see where they are doing in it is the right idea and nice in places but their web team do not really have a clue tbh

I mean check out the code, Look at all that bloody white space, lol and a number of aspects are not specific

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Reply #6 on: April 01, 2008, 00:43:57 AM
aAl good things come to an end.

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Reply #7 on: April 01, 2008, 01:16:03 AM
I dont like the new site anyway.

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Reply #8 on: April 01, 2008, 01:16:20 AM
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I mean check out the code, Look at all that bloody white space, lol and a number of aspects are not specific


Its compressed in transit, its irrelevant.

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Reply #9 on: April 01, 2008, 01:18:05 AM
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I mean check out the code, Look at all that bloody white space, lol and a number of aspects are not specific


Its compressed in transit, its irrelevant.

It does as recent white paper articles and w3schools have been talking about last couple of months and relevent to the browser rendering

What the hell happened to the bbc news site?
Reply #10 on: April 01, 2008, 01:52:02 AM
cant believe they are messing about live.

this isnt some project a school kid is doing, it is one of the biggest news sites in the world.

and what the hell is with that code, it isnt much good if the code you generate is incredibly hard to read as when things go wrong you cant debug it easily.

wonder how much the bbc paid for the new site, i dread to think, unify the whole style of the bbc websites, as far as i can see all they have done is changed every part differently and made a bigger header at the top

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Reply #11 on: April 01, 2008, 01:57:37 AM
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cant believe they are messing about live.

this isnt some project a school kid is doing, it is one of the biggest news sites in the world.

and what the hell is with that code, it isnt much good if the code you generate is incredibly hard to read as when things go wrong you cant debug it easily.

wonder how much the bbc paid for the new site, i dread to think, unify the whole style of the bbc websites, as far as i can see all they have done is changed every part differently and made a bigger header at the top


The main guy of the site on his blog said they been working on it for the last few months ^^

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Reply #12 on: April 01, 2008, 02:06:55 AM
Last few months and all they have is a bad css change?

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Reply #13 on: April 01, 2008, 02:23:59 AM
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I mean check out the code, Look at all that bloody white space, lol and a number of aspects are not specific


Its compressed in transit, its irrelevant.

It does as recent white paper articles and w3schools have been talking about last couple of months and relevent to the browser rendering


Dont be silly.

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Reply #14 on: April 01, 2008, 03:08:21 AM
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I mean check out the code, Look at all that bloody white space, lol and a number of aspects are not specific


Its compressed in transit, its irrelevant.

It does as recent white paper articles and w3schools have been talking about last couple of months and relevent to the browser rendering


Dont be silly.


I am not

- Create a site and code and then an external css - Put lots of returns and needless spacing, Then copy that and remove all the white space - File size difference.
- I can pull up a lot of java, php and asp documentation about code reduction INCLUDING white space and show load times to be different as the text stream is processed
- bbc site has no white space property and so the browser will consider it normal and so will run through the browser stream and render the white space thus taking longer to render but there is no use using the property if you create neat code with not a lot of white space and actually recommended not to use it anyway
- You render css and html and javascript in your browser as these are client side rendering and it does not matter if anything fancy generating goes on server side as the output stream is what is being sent to you and then rendered by the browser and so if that is full of crap you will render a lot of needles crap.
One of the constant improvements in css and javascript for example is removing the need for returns and space hence why you can do a lot of border style on one line with less "border-width" new line "border-style" etc
Javascript/ajax is much the same.
Take a framework you choose to use for example, say mootools. Download that framework and you will notice the .js file is one wall of text becuase it has been cleaned to remove white space. With sites using more style and ajax your client does a lot more rendering and so it is indeed important to have clean code that is not just readable but as said less white space and returns the better. Recent recommendations have even gone as far as discussions in regard to comments. They are still needed but new guidelines about how to document them as well as even xml summary including sheets in regard to seamantics.

Even if you ran say apache file compresion you would say get 4% reduction, clear your white space and code better and you would get that 4% reduction anyway yourself if you took proper practises.
In small sites this is of course not a problem but in large sites such as the bbc it is important and in terms of css and javascript. If it was still just text, some images and a bit of css then there is no real need but as the web continues and the sites increase and more is added in terms of the client side scripting and style and rending it is becoming increasingly important to reduce the text stream as much as possible and bigger the site and code the bigger the gain when you reduce the needles text that is there.
Any of the cool apps you find made from people like facebook, apple, google etc all do this and more in terms of code optimisation, and it has always been a good practise anyway to do in any programming.
I could also discuss about small form factor devices like mobile phones and using the real internet and not phone nets and the browsers and the rendering on them etc as well but the above points apply.

Besides you can have some whitespace if you have a lot of coders working or adding to a basic xhtml template or code environment but the bbc site source takes the piss on every file.

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