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Reply #45 on: June 05, 2020, 02:34:27 AM
Happy note.
New Zealand only has 1 case total over there and New South Wales here has had zero new cases nearly all week with 1 reported death turning out not to be from COVID-19.
Gyms are opening up on the 13th and I am very happy about that!

Re: Life after COVID-19
Reply #46 on: June 05, 2020, 14:23:22 PM
Seems that the UK government is having more blunders than the press can report. That includes Britain reporting more covid-19 deaths than the entire EU on a single day.

aren't we measuring/counting them differently to everyone else?

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Reply #47 on: June 08, 2020, 09:54:35 AM
In Case you havent found it yet, this seems to be the ultimate site for Coronavirus number monitoring:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

And, yes, UK does not look good on any metric.
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Reply #48 on: June 08, 2020, 10:43:20 AM
I fully expect Round Two now we've opened up the floodgates again. Still not diving out the house car keys in hand to desperately hit up B&Q/Maccy Ds/Lidl specials aisle/seafront/historic castles/protesting/eye tests/wank in the woods and so forth.

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Reply #49 on: June 09, 2020, 12:00:23 PM
Seems that the UK government is having more blunders than the press can report. That includes Britain reporting more covid-19 deaths than the entire EU on a single day.

aren't we measuring/counting them differently to everyone else?

We are not including people who have not been tested and died outside of hospital but there is a way of finding out how many deaths are being hidden. Death rates are normally quite stable, so you just take previous years to give an average range and the difference is the covid-19 deaths. Which is why in April you had roughly the normal death toll, the known covid-19 death toll and nearly 10,000 other deaths. Even the Daily Fail claims that the Covid-19 death total is at least 10,000 under reported.

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Reply #50 on: June 09, 2020, 14:42:44 PM
I said on here I'd bet it would be much worse than the flu, or such. I've changed my opinion and don't see that as the case, I'm sure it exists and I'm sure people are indeed dying, but the whole thing is remarkably sketchy to me, things are just not adding up.

I know someone who died from it, parents neighbour, 94, in a care home, already critically ill and basically waiting to die, recorded as corona  :-\

Where's this mega VE day spike?
The beaches spike?
The US memorial day spike?
The further beaches spike?
London, the infested rat hole which constantly had the media showing people breaking "lockdown" Having days with zero cases? lol OK then.


How can we be due a "second spike" When confirmed cases go back to November/December? Did the virus have Christmas off and not count until governments started taking numbers?

A virus can't be controlled effectively, there won't be a vaccine any time soon, and with the death rate one certainly doesn't need to be rushed through, countries that have zero cases, "great" what about all the asymptomatic ones, what about all the other countries on the planet waiting to "re-infect" You can't put the genie back in the bottle!

Still it's all coming to a head now, if by next week hospitals are not chocka block with infected people due to protests, then I'd imagine even more people will be questioning why they can't even spend time indoors with their parents and loved ones.

This will be blamed for the coming recession and economic ruin as it's a god tier scapegoat, not decades of financial malpractice, lax laws, bailing out the lender instead of the creditor in 2008, etc, nope, all the 'rona.

edit - the "new normal" mantra can f*** right off as well.
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Reply #51 on: June 09, 2020, 18:31:26 PM
I am in many ways totally inclined to agree with you, I only know a handful of people that have had it, and the most serious being an old school friend on Facebook had both parents ill and one of them died. It is all very suspicious, but as I'm now a family man I'm not taking any chances just on the chance it isn't as serious as has been made out. I know the risks are low but It's not materially affected me much in any case adhering to lockdown so I might as well grin and bear it until it becomes more apparent what is really going on and not this sketchiness...

On all the other points about it being a perfect scapegoat for the coming turmoil, f**king spot on :thumbdown:

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Reply #52 on: June 10, 2020, 03:46:51 AM
New Zealand is all but going back to normal this week as they have Zero people even infected now. Small country but also that can be a bad thing as if you let it go loose the whole country can get infected with a total population of 4-5 people. They went full lockdown for over a month and that has paid off.


Australia has done a confusing strategy and silly but in many ways has also worked with like 8 new cases nationwide and continues to open up. I think only 8 new cases in the whole country in the last week and none in the state of NSW. Gyms open on Saturday (with conditions).


Then you look at America with 18+ NEW Cases still and Trump is trying to open up as if it was 0. Insane.

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Re: Life after COVID-19
Reply #53 on: June 10, 2020, 09:58:37 AM

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Reply #54 on: June 10, 2020, 10:17:36 AM
Singapore (where I am) has shown how low the death rate can be with adequate medical care, 40,000 confirmed cases and 25 deaths (0.06% / 1 in 1600). All the deaths having had other conditions, most have been elderly. That is likely to be a realistic figure as testing is widespread and pro-active, not just of these with suspected coronavirus.

The issue comes if adequate healthcare is not available then the death rate is much much higher. That was the point of the lockdowns, to ensure that the rate of infection was low enough that the minority of the population how need critical care are able to get it.

The UK have the worst infection rate and highest death rate in the world, the failings you mention are absolutely having an impact but the number of people involved are a tiny portion of the population which is being blown out of proportion by the media. And most will be fine because the infection rate has already been lowered because of the lockdowns.

There are plenty of examples across the world of one large gathering causing infection of hundreds. The first cases in South Korea from a religion gathering and the recent resurgence from a single infected person visiting a nightclub spring to mind. 
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Reply #55 on: June 10, 2020, 10:20:19 AM
1700 new cases in the UK yesterday and 286 deaths. Remember most will be being identified 2 weeks after infection + testing lag so these are before many of the recent lifting in restrictions.
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Reply #56 on: June 11, 2020, 01:00:13 AM
How can we be due a "second spike" When confirmed cases go back to November/December? Did the virus have Christmas off and not count until governments started taking numbers?

The only place to have covid-19 infections before Christmas was China, it took a few weeks to get settled in and spread out of the country. It didn't take off in the UK until April. Then, if you are not identifying the cause of death or testing people it is very easy to miss a growth of infections. It has been estimated that so far about 20% of the UK population has been infected, so considering that 80% not as yet you would need to treble the present death toll to get that 60% herd immunity level. In fact you actually need a higher level than that for adequate immunity, if it really works.

Seems the schools are not opening until after the summer holidays now

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Reply #57 on: June 11, 2020, 08:04:45 AM
Plenty of reports of people both here and in the US being very ill with flu-like symptoms before/during Christmas, Serious. My whole family was ill over Christmas and we ended up taking my son to A&E on Christmas Day as he was so bad. Some of the traits were suspiciously like COVID-19, so we may even have had it already. :dunno:

He's due to start nursery in September too, in some ways I'm hoping we do have a second wave and things are 'back to normal' by then.

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Reply #58 on: June 11, 2020, 10:00:46 AM
The only place to have covid-19 infections before Christmas was China, it took a few weeks to get settled in and spread out of the country.

This is supposed to be an indiscriminate highly virulent virus, not a lazy student who can't be arsed to get off the sofa :lol:

Plenty of reports of people both here and in the US being very ill with flu-like symptoms before/during Christmas, Serious. My whole family was ill over Christmas and we ended up taking my son to A&E on Christmas Day as he was so bad. Some of the traits were suspiciously like COVID-19, so we may even have had it already. :dunno:

He's due to start nursery in September too, in some ways I'm hoping we do have a second wave and things are 'back to normal' by then.

Plausibly what else would have the potency to do that to your family?
I've read a lot of people saying similar on twitter, but I obviously take that with a pinch of salt! But some is even before the whole virus was "outed" by the media, no doubt a report will be done in 10 years time looking back that admits this was the case :lol:

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Reply #59 on: June 12, 2020, 15:26:20 PM
Plenty of reports of people both here and in the US being very ill with flu-like symptoms before/during Christmas, Serious. My whole family was ill over Christmas and we ended up taking my son to A&E on Christmas Day as he was so bad. Some of the traits were suspiciously like COVID-19, so we may even have had it already. :dunno:

He's due to start nursery in September too, in some ways I'm hoping we do have a second wave and things are 'back to normal' by then.

As I said, if you are not testing for covid-19 then you won't easily be able to tell the difference. There are plenty of viruses that produce "flu like symptoms" and many are far more dangerous for young children. I have constant flu like symptoms from fibromyalgia, the difference being nobody else can catch that from me. What we do know is deaths did not take off until April in the UK, if it had been here before then there would have been earlier ones.

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