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Re: Life after COVID-19
Reply #15 on: May 03, 2020, 08:27:28 AM
Most corporates use Slack & Zoom/MS Teams now, I don't think Discord would wash well with corporate IT.


We switched to teams at our company because it is on office 365 so comes with that and is all linked with the other stuff but JESUS does it hog memory and memory leak like crazy. Over the course of just a few hours the amount of memory it uses is insane.
Slack is HTML5 and JS application based for the most part just as spotify is for example and uses way less. We half considering moving back to Slack because of this. It seems it has been an issue for some time with a lot of reports for months on the MS forums and they simply done nothing to address it.

So we've switched to Teams here and as someone who had their teams status set to "If you need me, hit me up on mattermost*, the superior communication option" I now rate teams massively.

The memory hogging is a big issue, don't get me wrong mine was using up 3.5GB Ram during a conference call using the linux electron client, but in functionality it's been game changing. We just held a 45 person all day virtual conference using the platform and it worked great!. I can now also access it on other devices, including my work phone, My ubuntu work laptop and my Corp Windows VM.

*mattermost = basically SLACK for your own kit.

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Re: Life after COVID-19
Reply #16 on: May 04, 2020, 21:03:47 PM
The speed of spread of covid-19 certainly shows up the vulnerabilities of our society over the last 50 years. Fast and cheap air travel has proven to be a vulnerability and the UK amongst others have shown that a lazy government can make the issue far worse by not closing the borders and checking all travelers.

The lack of a decisive lockdown in the UK points towards the lack of control of the government, or the dislike of government control, and this is also the case in the USA where known covid-19 deaths are almost at the level of Spain.

China locked down very quickly which restricted their recorded deaths although the number may be massaged by the government. South Korea instigated a policy of mass testing which seems to have worked well enough.

I have to disagree. I think the UK government at all times has followed scientific guidance, they've been willing to adapt their approach as required and they have been transparent in doing so. You suggest it was late for the UK to act, but the UK was late in contracting the virus, we were at a completely different stage in the battle, the government was performing contact tracing and quarantine prior to the lockdown (the clue was in the "Containment" name of the phase), and at the time there was limited evidence of asymptomatic transmission.

If you think that the medical advisors were followed then you are completely wrong. The Tory cabinet ignored medical advice and avoided starting SAGE meetings, or avoided attending them for a long time. Since then Cummings has been dictating the medical advice and changing it. In many cases the Tories simply ignored advice to lock down. The fact that someone can be infected with covid-19 without showing symptoms is irrelevant, the government were not checking people coming in from China, or anywhere else at all, that was long after other countries started doing so. This is about saving money, not lives, and always has been for Boris and the Tories.

Herd immunity is not even proven as yet, and in theory may still be impossible. There are many people who have had the disease and later tested positive again. Even if we manage to get a vaccine sorted it may not be effective for very long.

Their recent supposed testing success of over 100,000 tests in one day has proven to be a lie, they sent out over half a million kits on that day and those may still be out there. Really they managed a bit over 70,000 tests.

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Re: Life after COVID-19
Reply #17 on: May 04, 2020, 22:33:05 PM
Interesting reading if you think that the Tories are telling the truth. Reality is they are banging their own drum while trumpeting false news boasts and idiots are believing them. Press are just publishing it verbatim.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/03/publics-trust-in-science-at-risk-warns-former-no-10-adviser

Re: Life after COVID-19
Reply #18 on: May 04, 2020, 23:08:43 PM
The speed of spread of covid-19 certainly shows up the vulnerabilities of our society over the last 50 years. Fast and cheap air travel has proven to be a vulnerability and the UK amongst others have shown that a lazy government can make the issue far worse by not closing the borders and checking all travelers.

The lack of a decisive lockdown in the UK points towards the lack of control of the government, or the dislike of government control, and this is also the case in the USA where known covid-19 deaths are almost at the level of Spain.

China locked down very quickly which restricted their recorded deaths although the number may be massaged by the government. South Korea instigated a policy of mass testing which seems to have worked well enough.

I have to disagree. I think the UK government at all times has followed scientific guidance, they've been willing to adapt their approach as required and they have been transparent in doing so. You suggest it was late for the UK to act, but the UK was late in contracting the virus, we were at a completely different stage in the battle, the government was performing contact tracing and quarantine prior to the lockdown (the clue was in the "Containment" name of the phase), and at the time there was limited evidence of asymptomatic transmission.

If you think that the medical advisors were followed then you are completely wrong. The Tory cabinet ignored medical advice and avoided starting SAGE meetings, or avoided attending them for a long time. Since then Cummings has been dictating the medical advice and changing it. In many cases the Tories simply ignored advice to lock down. The fact that someone can be infected with covid-19 without showing symptoms is irrelevant, the government were not checking people coming in from China, or anywhere else at all, that was long after other countries started doing so. This is about saving money, not lives, and always has been for Boris and the Tories.

Herd immunity is not even proven as yet, and in theory may still be impossible. There are many people who have had the disease and later tested positive again. Even if we manage to get a vaccine sorted it may not be effective for very long.

Their recent supposed testing success of over 100,000 tests in one day has proven to be a lie, they sent out over half a million kits on that day and those may still be out there. Really they managed a bit over 70,000 tests.

First, in every briefing they have been involved in, The Chief Scientific Advisor, the Chief Medical Officer, Head of the NHS, Deputy CSA, Deputy CMO and the NHS Head of Nursing have always demonstrably been in agreement by the statements made by the ministers. There is absolutely no doubt that the government did indeed follow the scientific advice on this matter throughout. The alternative, is a cover-up spanning the entirity of the civil service, which sounds a little too hollywood for my tastes. This is real life, not a paperback.

I do not doubt there have been failings, notably spanking money on 17 million defective tests from China, and the PPE nonsense but in actual timelines and strategy I don't find fault there at all.

Herd Immunity is a proven strategy when dealing with disease, we've been using it for centuries. The only thing up in the air with that strategy is if Covid-19 immunity post recovery is sufficiently long term enough to act as that buffer. Sadly though, its the only trick we (the entire world) have until a vaccine (if one can be produced) is created and we can stimulate our bodies to produce said antibodies without needing to suffer the symptoms of Covid-19. Same mechanism at the end of the day, either through natural recovery or through a vaccine.

100,000 tests a day is just bull anyway. What difference would it make even at 100,000 tests per day to test the entire population of the UK would take 600+ days to test. As much as "testing is key", even at 100,000 tests per day (which is insane for our country which does not have a huge testing industry either) would take 600+ days to do the lot of us. assuming no double tests. it really is not a feasible option. A city yes, a region perhaps, an entire country... no just no. its a fools gambit.

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Re: Life after COVID-19
Reply #19 on: May 05, 2020, 08:13:35 AM
Testing is key if you catch it early, track and monitor. We did none of those things. Everything else is political willy waving.

Also, we should have realised in January sh*t was going down, instead of blindly believing China as they quarantine the whole of Wuhan but say "hey guys, its all good, international travel is fine! No worries". The intelligence agencies knew, but no one was willing to take the necessary action.

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Re: Life after COVID-19
Reply #20 on: May 05, 2020, 17:32:28 PM
The speed of spread of covid-19 certainly shows up the vulnerabilities of our society over the last 50 years. Fast and cheap air travel has proven to be a vulnerability and the UK amongst others have shown that a lazy government can make the issue far worse by not closing the borders and checking all travelers.

The lack of a decisive lockdown in the UK points towards the lack of control of the government, or the dislike of government control, and this is also the case in the USA where known covid-19 deaths are almost at the level of Spain.

China locked down very quickly which restricted their recorded deaths although the number may be massaged by the government. South Korea instigated a policy of mass testing which seems to have worked well enough.

I have to disagree. I think the UK government at all times has followed scientific guidance, they've been willing to adapt their approach as required and they have been transparent in doing so. You suggest it was late for the UK to act, but the UK was late in contracting the virus, we were at a completely different stage in the battle, the government was performing contact tracing and quarantine prior to the lockdown (the clue was in the "Containment" name of the phase), and at the time there was limited evidence of asymptomatic transmission.

If you think that the medical advisors were followed then you are completely wrong. The Tory cabinet ignored medical advice and avoided starting SAGE meetings, or avoided attending them for a long time. Since then Cummings has been dictating the medical advice and changing it. In many cases the Tories simply ignored advice to lock down. The fact that someone can be infected with covid-19 without showing symptoms is irrelevant, the government were not checking people coming in from China, or anywhere else at all, that was long after other countries started doing so. This is about saving money, not lives, and always has been for Boris and the Tories.

Herd immunity is not even proven as yet, and in theory may still be impossible. There are many people who have had the disease and later tested positive again. Even if we manage to get a vaccine sorted it may not be effective for very long.

Their recent supposed testing success of over 100,000 tests in one day has proven to be a lie, they sent out over half a million kits on that day and those may still be out there. Really they managed a bit over 70,000 tests.

First, in every briefing they have been involved in, The Chief Scientific Advisor, the Chief Medical Officer, Head of the NHS, Deputy CSA, Deputy CMO and the NHS Head of Nursing have always demonstrably been in agreement by the statements made by the ministers. There is absolutely no doubt that the government did indeed follow the scientific advice on this matter throughout. The alternative, is a cover-up spanning the entirity of the civil service, which sounds a little too hollywood for my tastes. This is real life, not a paperback.

I do not doubt there have been failings, notably spanking money on 17 million defective tests from China, and the PPE nonsense but in actual timelines and strategy I don't find fault there at all.

Herd Immunity is a proven strategy when dealing with disease, we've been using it for centuries. The only thing up in the air with that strategy is if Covid-19 immunity post recovery is sufficiently long term enough to act as that buffer. Sadly though, its the only trick we (the entire world) have until a vaccine (if one can be produced) is created and we can stimulate our bodies to produce said antibodies without needing to suffer the symptoms of Covid-19. Same mechanism at the end of the day, either through natural recovery or through a vaccine.

100,000 tests a day is just bull anyway. What difference would it make even at 100,000 tests per day to test the entire population of the UK would take 600+ days to test. As much as "testing is key", even at 100,000 tests per day (which is insane for our country which does not have a huge testing industry either) would take 600+ days to do the lot of us. assuming no double tests. it really is not a feasible option. A city yes, a region perhaps, an entire country... no just no. its a fools gambit.

Selected by the TORIES to back what they say. Jeez. Nobody else with any knowledge of what is happening backs them up. UK death toll 29,427 - highest anywhere but the USA.

They have failed completely because they did not follow internationally agreed procedures. But yeah, we know why you are called M3ta7h3ad.

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Re: Life after COVID-19
Reply #21 on: May 06, 2020, 01:16:08 AM
The medical office giving the government advise on the lock down has had to step down because he was having a lady friend constantly coming over.

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Re: Life after COVID-19
Reply #22 on: May 06, 2020, 07:24:59 AM
In North Korea these hypocrites would be shot. We're far too lenient here.

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Reply #23 on: May 06, 2020, 07:44:58 AM
In North Korea these hypocrites would be shot. We're far too lenient here.


There are stories of mass burning of people alive. Even if that is over the top it wont be too far from the truth.

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Re: Life after COVID-19
Reply #24 on: May 06, 2020, 08:37:10 AM
I mean I'm being a bit facetious, that's a bit far. Maybe just a kneecapping or something.

Realistically though, its not surprising people aren't taking it seriously when you see not just that but irresponsible health ministers visiting beaches or CMO's visiting holiday homes.

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Re: Life after COVID-19
Reply #25 on: May 06, 2020, 09:49:16 AM
PJW is a bit marmite, though I did find this has some good gallows humour in it.


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Re: Life after COVID-19
Reply #26 on: May 13, 2020, 23:16:25 PM
American death toll is now above 85,000 with predictions it will go above150,000 within a few months.

Boris Johnson clearly lies to parliament over chance of people in care homes contracting corvid-19. it also seems that 10,000 people died in care homes for no reason at all in April alone. That means there are a lot more than that which just have not been reported as covid-19 related.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-pm-accused-of-misleading-commons-on-care-homes-and-urged-to-return-to-correct-himself-11987655

Re: Life after COVID-19
Reply #27 on: May 15, 2020, 03:46:13 AM
Pay off your mortgages ASAP folks.

What makes you say this? We're heading into a deep recession, central bank rates would typically stay low while there is weak or negative economic growth.

I'd advise paying as little as possible off the mortgage, its the cheapest you'll ever get money, and diverting it all into shares.
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Re: Life after COVID-19
Reply #28 on: May 15, 2020, 09:21:05 AM
Carrying any kind of debt into a recession is a bad idea. Not only is overpaying on a mortgage financially sound any time but it also means if you do encounter trouble down the road you have some flexibility in lowering those payments.

Anyone that doesn't understand shares and the market would especially be ill-advised to start investing now. Investing is what you do when you have spare capital or are willing to endure higher risk for the potential returns. I know the buzz now is everything has tanked, buy buy buy but the reality is not so straightforward.

If I was going to invest (which I'm not) I would only be looking at stable companies most likely to not be affected by the current climate or economic downturn with high dividend yields. I expect most people wouldn't know where to begin on that front. Happy to hear your thoughts on that though!

Someone also might want to consider pumping into a pension if they are earning over the high-rate tax band (i.e the people most likely to have spare capital).

If you really haven't got a clue about any of this stuff talk to an IFA and don't listen to clowns like me on the internet. :lol:

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Re: Life after COVID-19
Reply #29 on: May 16, 2020, 21:09:06 PM
I have some bridges and a palace in London to sell....  :w00t: :ptu: :w00t: :ptu: :nana:

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