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Re: Life after COVID-19
Reply #60 on: June 18, 2020, 13:44:39 PM
Still it's all coming to a head now, if by next week hospitals are not chocka block with infected people due to protests, then I'd imagine even more people will be questioning why they can't even spend time indoors with their parents and loved ones.

Me waiting for this "spike"



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Re: Life after COVID-19
Reply #61 on: June 25, 2020, 08:11:34 AM
So the US has gone on record as having the highest numbers recorded in one day, 38,000 cases.

Data from our own gov site suggest its tailing off here (pretty graphs): https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/

So what do we think is going on here? Is it mis-information? Is it circumstancial, such as we are a tiny island and it burnt through the population and the US is vast and spread so numbers will grow over a longer period? Is it all a pack of lies? :tinhat:

My birthday is on the 3rd and the UK 'reopens' on the 4th, but I have no plans to rush out and celebrate with daft personal space extensions, plastic screens and excessive hand sanitisation being enforced. I will stay in, drink and BBQ most likely.

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Reply #62 on: June 25, 2020, 10:31:06 AM
I can see a second spike/surge as everyone goes daft and throws caution to the wind

only difference relaxing rules is going to make to me is improve my dating life, lock-down has been a real killer  :-o

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Reply #63 on: June 25, 2020, 21:35:14 PM
So the US has gone on record as having the highest numbers recorded in one day, 38,000 cases.

Data from our own gov site suggest its tailing off here (pretty graphs): https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/

So what do we think is going on here? Is it mis-information? Is it circumstancial, such as we are a tiny island and it burnt through the population and the US is vast and spread so numbers will grow over a longer period? Is it all a pack of lies? :tinhat:

My birthday is on the 3rd and the UK 'reopens' on the 4th, but I have no plans to rush out and celebrate with daft personal space extensions, plastic screens and excessive hand sanitisation being enforced. I will stay in, drink and BBQ most likely.

The UK is going through a huge amount of disinformation and the government specifically trying to stop testing without appearing to do so. The Labour party put in an amendment to make it law that NHS staff should have been tested regularly, the Tories voted against it. The Tories even put in a vote that they are doing really well on coronavirus, one they could never lose. If you don't test then you don't identify coronavirus patients and don't have to include them in the figures.


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Reply #64 on: July 02, 2020, 17:15:01 PM
Seems that the government is not even giving councils access to the data they need to assess the situation.

So either the Tory government is suppressing it or they have stopped gathering data as much as possible. The latter would be because if they don't have it they don't have to give it out when asked.

This is very much like Trump suggesting they should reduce testing in USA, as if there was some obscure form of Schrodinger's cat involved. Less testing means less infections when the reality is you just don't know about them.

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Re: Life after COVID-19
Reply #65 on: July 03, 2020, 18:54:07 PM
I can see a second spike/surge as everyone goes daft and throws caution to the wind

only difference relaxing rules is going to make to me is improve my dating life, lock-down has been a real killer  :-o

Has it reduced your unintentional suicide attempts? :)
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Re: Life after COVID-19
Reply #66 on: July 13, 2020, 00:45:22 AM
I've worked from home for 14 years now. Glad the rest of the world is finally starting to catch up!

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Reply #67 on: July 13, 2020, 03:16:56 AM
There is jus a massive amount of things no one is talking about and avoiding in some cases in many countries and globally that is just crazy to think about.


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It is tax time and me and my wife, like many have bought things regarding working from home and will be claiming tax back on that stuff. That will be another big hit for the government and they not shown any indication if they aware this will happen and it may bite them in the ass hard.


India:
India appears to be in a massive mess. Lack of medical, testing and just the attitude over there...
If you had actual numbers the infections and deaths for India would be right up there and there seems to way this country will ever be sorted any time soon. When vaccinations are available this country is not going to be one that is able to get these out to the population properly so they will be in serious trouble for YEARS maybe.


This leads to travel restrictions:
Places that are bad and remain bad, like India will just be locked out of the rest of the world so this will have real impact for years to come on manfacturing, resources and so on. Many companies were moving out of China because of other issues to places like India and will have to rethink that again.


Business and services:
Again with India - All the call centres and support services running out there will be greatly effected and likely to be so for a minimum of 2 years. Companies will have to look to move out of there and setup elsewhere which will have a further impact on India's economy.
I think 3 years down the line you may see India just savaged by COVID-19.




Vaccination time:
How this will role out and who will end up paying for it but no government has really covered this. In may countries it looks like the people themselves will have to pay and it may not be cheap yet it could be the only real way to keep the virus controlled...
With that there will be lots of people who will refuse to have it, the crazy anti vaccination idiots - What do you do with them, do you force them or.. ?
As I mentioned as well, the countries that cant afford it as a whole will be years years if at all before treatment roles out so the whole world may have to just black list those countries for years!




All this and more, it is crazy still that the governments like UK and US just trying to get normality so soon - nuts.




I have to talk about Leicester as well here. My home town.
Leicester as you may or may not know is under extra levels of lockdown and there has been in coverage of this here in Sydney. We have heard how basically people there have not been following the guide lines very well compared to the rest of the country.
My mum spent time catching up with her sister in Leicester on Friday, she was telling her of an incident that a good example of things happening daily there. Two large groups of Indian's had a Cricket match on a park despite it being banned. 4 police turned up to try and break it up and they refused. They had to get vans of police but it took over 2 hours and they just kept playing and all but finished their game before Police finally moved them on and did not make any arrests etc. It seems legally the police are very limited despite lockdown laws existing.


She told my mum there is a lot of Indian's protesting, cases on local news of Indians who got arrested going around spitting on people and business remaining open or just people trying to leave the city despite the limitations.
Do not get some people and feel ashamed a lot of fellow Leicesterarians are just ignoring the current climate.




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Re: Life after COVID-19
Reply #68 on: July 13, 2020, 07:07:56 AM
Leicester is perhaps worse, I don't know, but you see the same behaviour everywhere.

We took our boy down to the beach for the first time ever yesterday to let him go up to the sea and play with the pebbles (there's no sandy beaches near us). This was at 9am when we thought it would be quiet, relatively early before the sun is out in full, yet it was still busy along the main seafront where the shops are; no-body was distancing whether it was families with young kids, the elderly, disabled people being pushed along in their chairs, people sat in groups outside cafes without even a metre between them. If it had been quiet we would have stopped to get some chips but after walking down the quiet end of the beach where there was only a few surfers and a couple of dog walkers about, we headed straight home.

Even out in the local woods where we've been going for walks its been busy though for the most part but people avoid you when they see you trying to distance and cross to the other side of the path, etc. But even there in the playzones and sand pits they have set up near the car park you see dozens of kids all playing around each other, their families not seemingly bothered by the proximity.

If there is not a second wave I will be shocked and starting to agree wholly with Matt.

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Reply #69 on: July 13, 2020, 10:20:08 AM
Leicester being "locked down" was a joke, totally unenforceable and just pushed more people into the surrounding cities, the exact opposite of what you want to happen :gag: :lol: I was out for a pint in a neighbouring city the Monday after the pubs opened and there's just no way people were going to ask "ARE YOU FROM LEICESTER" I mean unless you walked in with a Leicester football shirt on the bar staff wouldn't bat an eyelid and you'd get served  :dunno:

I see the metric has now moved to "cases" being reported, not hospitalisations or deaths, "cases" IMO this is because the numbers of hospitalisations/deaths are "low"

If there is not a second wave I will be shocked and starting to agree wholly with Matt.

I guess the good news is we only have to wait until this weekend to see the impact of pubs opening back up (14 days) And let's not kid ourselves, there was no "social distancing" so given it's been 9 days TODAY, emergency wards should be filling up rapidly from now onwards.
I went to 4 pubs yesterday, believe me from what I've seen it's mostly lip service to the rules,  if the doom and gloom mongers are right (and they may be)  We should see hospitalisations and deaths mega spike at the absolute latest before August 1st.


crazy anti vaccination idiots

This kind of rhetoric is really not helpful and seems to be a tool the media are using to pile in legitimate concerns into the conspiracy theory nutjob pigeon hole. 

Surely you can see the difference between those objecting to multi decade proven vaccines like MMR, usual childhood vaccines etc, to those objecting to a coronavirus vaccine to which the points of objection seem pretty fair to me, the lack of clinical trials and safe/proper testing, and the arguable lack of necessity with such a high survival rate.
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Re: Life after COVID-19
Reply #70 on: July 13, 2020, 10:41:36 AM
Surely you can see the difference between those objecting to multi decade proven vaccines like MMR, usual childhood vaccines etc, to those objecting to a coronavirus vaccine to which the points of objection seem pretty fair to me, the lack of clinical trials and safe/proper testing, and the arguable lack of necessity with such a high survival rate.

This is a big distinction and most people seem to share these same concerns. I would not be rushing to be a guinea pig for any new vaccine given mistakes have been made in the past after all, I would sooner wait and see how it all plays out.

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Reply #71 on: July 14, 2020, 00:56:22 AM
Surely you can see the difference between those objecting to multi decade proven vaccines like MMR, usual childhood vaccines etc, to those objecting to a coronavirus vaccine to which the points of objection seem pretty fair to me, the lack of clinical trials and safe/proper testing, and the arguable lack of necessity with such a high survival rate.


I only see its the same group of people for both. Regardless if it is safe or not, what I see is all of them talking that it is not real and a form of control and the virus is not real and so on - too much of a large number of idiots. My point was, as they do here in Australia countries should cut benefits, not allow them to do x and y for as long as they do not get the jab.


Your right in regard to the rush though, Until its deemed "safe" I will not be rushing to get it but I think countries like here in Australia will not be issuing it until they feel that anyway.

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Reply #72 on: July 14, 2020, 11:11:22 AM
and the arguable lack of necessity with such a high survival rate.

there's about 70million people in the UK

if 1% of us die that's 700,000 dead

and I think measuring how many people die is a bit of misnomer... it's ignoring all the people who almost die, or who are/were seriously ill in hospital etc.


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Reply #73 on: July 14, 2020, 19:26:32 PM
As I have said elsewhere plenty of countries haven't got the resources to test, those like the UK and USA don't want to test because then they don't have to admit the full extent of the issue. The Spanish flu at the end of WW1 went on for three years.

There are also those who don't die but never fully recover and end up with potentially life long health problems that need regular drugs and treatment.

Seems the government are hoping to get everyone to wear masks in shops, and the police to enforce it. Police say it's going to be impossible to enforce and shop staff have no real idea about wearing masks too. Visited a local Morrisons for the second time since the lock down, a staff member claimed they would not have to wear masks and it would be up to the company to decide.

Anyone still think putting Boris and the clowns in charge is still a good idea?

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Reply #74 on: July 15, 2020, 00:42:06 AM
and the arguable lack of necessity with such a high survival rate.

there's about 70million people in the UK

if 1% of us die that's 700,000 dead

and I think measuring how many people die is a bit of misnomer... it's ignoring all the people who almost die, or who are/were seriously ill in hospital etc.
Agreed on this point. I have seen people totally fine now but talking about how they could not taste and had an bad cough to being in hospital coughing up blood and nearly dying. I think there has been a lot of this and people recovering.


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