The problem is we hand out money and then complain that people spend it on things we don't approve of. I don't think anyone would have a problem feeding, clothing and housing people in times of need. What we don't like is them buying SkyTV and 50" LCDs. This will stop that.

Coming from an area that is predominantly made up of scrounging lazy twats (the North), I know the abuse of the system that goes on.

Quote from: Sam on February 19, 2012, 18:33:43 PM

* If you cannot work / are sick then you get 50 pound a week in food / clothing vouchers, that only cover essentials. IE, you can go to sainsburys and buy whatever cereal you like, whatever brand of milk you want, etc, but you cannot buy alcohol or cigs. Chocolate oranges and jaffa cakes are also not included. The government can draw up a list of allowed brands, doesn't need to be too long.

And you expect that to get past into law? Think it will be shot down in flames tbvh.

Not sure I'd go as far as food stamps but certainly there is a lot of reform needed as far as benefits are concerned. I don't see why council housing shouldn't be organised on a London wide basis for example - currently it's organised by individual boroughs but in reality there is no reason why an unemployed person *needs* to live in zone 1 (and the majority of council tenants are unemployed). People shouldn't keep council housing when they earn above a certain amount - certainly not when they are on 6 figure salaries. People also shouldn't be allowed to hold onto council properties with multiple bedrooms once they have no use for them (kids grown up etc..). We've also got the few farcical situation where some councils have been housing large families in mansions in central London due to lack of suitable council accommodation - when in reality the cost of knocking together two council homes in say another borough would be far less than the 100k + paid in rent to some private landlord to house the family.

The problem becomes fairly obvious when the do-gooders start all that expensive litigation claiming we've breached their human rights.

The other problem is we are trying to cut spending in as near enough recession by kicking people off benefits. There are no jobs for them, if there were suitable jobs I would certainly support a programme to help people get into them.

Perhaps there are easier targets like rich people claiming benefits that are not means tested? This isn't the only case of someone with millions in the bank still getting a nice slab of mobility benefits. There is also rich people claiming child benefits too.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9061259/Lottery-winners-receive-benefits-despite-10.2-million-win.html

While we are on that there are several football clubs likely to end up in deep financial problems because of the way they have paid their players in order to reduce the tax bill, seems it wasn't exactly legal.

While you are at it perhaps you can sort out all the rich people who are not paying tax, or at least not as much as they should? That bill is far higher than the benefits payed out are.

I work, but I use someone elses money every day... What do I do?, I have to submit expenses.

I have to categorise my expenditure and submit all reciepts, It takes me about half a working day each month.

Why the hell we give folk money every week without asking them to track their expenditure I have no idea.

If I can be told to itemise a £5 receipt into meal, drinks and sundry (newspaper)... They can be told to itemise their weekly shop.

You should give then a float each week to live on. Then you refund the items they've reciepted and submitted to the system.

It should if their being honest about their expenditure equal out, so they always have £50 available (or whatever the benefits are) each week.

That way people can spend money on whatever they like but if all £50 each week is going on alcohol and still complaining about bring unable to live on their benefits, someone can intervene and say "oi!".

If folk claim their money and never submit their expenses, then they don't get anything more until they do.

Home inspection and someone has a brand spanking new 50 inch plasma tv, hasn't claimed it as part of their expenses or submitted reciepts. Bam... Lets have a ganders around for other stolen property shall we? Or start observing them for working cash in hand?

Bosh - false claimants, theft and tax dodging solved with one solution, expenses.


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Quote from: Serious on February 20, 2012, 12:30:10 PM

The problem becomes fairly obvious when the do-gooders start all that expensive litigation claiming we've breached their human rights.

The other problem is we are trying to cut spending in as near enough recession by kicking people off benefits. There are no jobs for them, if there were suitable jobs I would certainly support a programme to help people get into them.

Perhaps there are easier targets like rich people claiming benefits that are not means tested? This isn't the only case of someone with millions in the bank still getting a nice slab of mobility benefits. There is also rich people claiming child benefits too.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9061259/Lottery-winners-receive-benefits-despite-10.2-million-win.html

While we are on that there are several football clubs likely to end up in deep financial problems because of the way they have paid their players in order to reduce the tax bill, seems it wasn't exactly legal.

While you are at it perhaps you can sort out all the rich people who are not paying tax, or at least not as much as they should? That bill is far higher than the benefits payed out are.

I'd like to add to serious' post, maybe if we had the tax money from our gypsy neighbours it could be used to build a team to investigate genuine claimates from others.