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Reply #150 on: August 18, 2010, 07:47:49 AM
And MP3 support about 200 years later.

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Reply #151 on: August 18, 2010, 09:27:07 AM
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Does W7 play FLAC out of the box ?


Oh look how the Ubuntu users get all high and mighty all of a sudden!
How long did it take to get USB working out the box? Hum?


LoL,  USB and bluetooth worked right out of the box yes :D All I have thrown at it has worked except Telias 3G modem
because it also has a memory in it and Ubuntu finds the memory and looks no further so it took me 5 min. to search the Ubuntu forum to find a solution and copy and paste the code provided into a terminal and it worked fine.



I didnt mean with the latest revision!

When normal computer users were enjoying USB with Windows XP, The older versions didnt.



Yes I remember having to install something in W98 to be able to use USB :)

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Reply #152 on: August 18, 2010, 10:38:27 AM
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Does W7 play FLAC out of the box ?


Oh look how the Ubuntu users get all high and mighty all of a sudden!
How long did it take to get USB working out the box? Hum?


LoL,  USB and bluetooth worked right out of the box yes :D All I have thrown at it has worked except Telias 3G modem
because it also has a memory in it and Ubuntu finds the memory and looks no further so it took me 5 min. to search the Ubuntu forum to find a solution and copy and paste the code provided into a terminal and it worked fine.



I didnt mean with the latest revision!

When normal computer users were enjoying USB with Windows XP, The older versions didnt.



Yes I remember having to install something in W98 to be able to use USB :)


That was 95, And I dont think Linux even had a GUI at that point :D

I remember changing from a fully functioning XP box to a Linux box, getting fed up because even the most basic of hardware wasnt supported OOB and the slightest resolution change dropped you unceremoniously back at the shell.

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Reply #153 on: August 18, 2010, 14:18:11 PM
I think anyone who thinks that there can be an unbiased, objective discussion about operating systems, focusing mainly on Windows, OSX and Linux is just plain outta their mind :P


Im a Windows man myself, but thats outta pure laziness really. my geek friends say get linux, and my fanboy friends say get apple, both cause theyre better than any incarnation of windows ever made or that will be ever made.

My answer is always no, because ive grown up with windows and I know how it works and i dont care how intuitive the GUI is, Im sticking with windows!

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Reply #154 on: August 18, 2010, 20:09:51 PM
I started my new job today. Its all Mac based. I finished the project already.

No seriously, theyre not as bad as you think, but there are some f**king annoying things. Like you can only resize a window in the bottom right. Why?
Maximise doesnt work properly. Why?
Why cant I double click the title bar to maximise?
Why do commands use the stupid apple key. Whats the point in that? At least put it where the ctrl key is. The apple key is right under your hands and difficult to get to.

That said theres some nice little bits and bobs and it was fun learning one but anyone saying you can be more productive is on crack. You can be equally productive but theres no amazing features that let you magically do things many times faster.

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Reply #155 on: August 18, 2010, 20:32:10 PM
My brother uses one mac and a windows lappy, he just sees them as computers.

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Reply #156 on: August 19, 2010, 08:51:57 AM
Its like the Ford / Chevy wars in the states :D

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Reply #157 on: August 19, 2010, 09:14:00 AM
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You can be equally productive but theres no amazing features that let you magically do things many times faster.


Apart from in things like photoshop where for some reason the apple version has shortcuts that are 2 key combos and the PC has 4 key combos. Why?!?!

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Reply #158 on: August 19, 2010, 10:11:37 AM
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You can be equally productive but theres no amazing features that let you magically do things many times faster.


Apart from in things like photoshop where for some reason the apple version has shortcuts that are 2 key combos and the PC has 4 key combos. Why?!?!


As I pointed out earlier though, this is hardly a shortcoming when it takes 2 mins to go into the preferences and customise your shortcuts keys for your most used task. To be fair, with a program like Photoshop half of the defaults will be no good to you because they are for a range of tools you will never use, Im sure most people decide to change the shortcuts for their most frequently used tools at some point. For instance, who ever needs to quit in a hurry? Control+Q became crop for me. Save for Web that I use all the time is Control+G, replacing group layers that I never use.

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Reply #159 on: August 19, 2010, 10:32:25 AM
Good point....I honestly never thought to do that ><

Still leaves the question though, why are there more keys required as default, surely the ctrl key = apple key or something?

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Reply #160 on: August 19, 2010, 21:06:18 PM
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You can be equally productive but theres no amazing features that let you magically do things many times faster.


Apart from in things like photoshop where for some reason the apple version has shortcuts that are 2 key combos and the PC has 4 key combos. Why?!?!


As I pointed out earlier though, this is hardly a shortcoming when it takes 2 mins to go into the preferences and customise your shortcuts keys for your most used task. To be fair, with a program like Photoshop half of the defaults will be no good to you because they are for a range of tools you will never use, Im sure most people decide to change the shortcuts for their most frequently used tools at some point. For instance, who ever needs to quit in a hurry? Control+Q became crop for me. Save for Web that I use all the time is Control+G, replacing group layers that I never use.


I use control+g for save to web too.

Same in Eclipse, all the shortcuts got changed to what I want, including control+q for organize imports.

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Reply #161 on: August 19, 2010, 23:23:52 PM
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My brother uses one mac and a windows lappy, he just sees them as computers.


so do I - have a Dell and a Macbook

I like the mac for general stuff - browsing the web, streaming videos, using photoshop/lightroom - I just prefer the OS tbh... though there isnt a significant difference between them these days (whereas previously macs used to be miles ahead for things like photoshop) it does still seem slightly smoother with osx

I use the dell for work stuff mostly - both job related and personal stuff - using excel on a mac is retarded

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Reply #162 on: August 19, 2010, 23:47:44 PM
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My brother uses one mac and a windows lappy, he just sees them as computers.


so do I - have a Dell and a Macbook

I like the mac for general stuff - browsing the web, streaming videos, using photoshop/lightroom - I just prefer the OS tbh... though there isnt a significant difference between them these days (whereas previously macs used to be miles ahead for things like photoshop) it does still seem slightly smoother with osx

I use the dell for work stuff mostly - both job related and personal stuff - using excel on a mac is retarded


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As above - my eMac is for fun / idle time, my W7 lappy is when I need to get serious. I love OSX and I love W7 - for totally different reasons. If I could only pick one though - W7 all the way because its just so universal and I know it inside out and back to front.

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Reply #163 on: August 21, 2010, 17:04:41 PM
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I started my new job today. Its all Mac based. I finished the project already.

No seriously, theyre not as bad as you think, but there are some f**king annoying things. Like you can only resize a window in the bottom right. Why?


Good question, something I havent thought about in a long time.

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Maximise doesnt work properly. Why?
Why cant I double click the title bar to maximise?


Because Macs dont have a maximize button, they have a fit to content button. Frankly, that drove me bonkers when I first switch too, but if you google a little utility called "right zoom" it makes the button act more like the Windows version. If you want super control over window sizes then look for an awesome little tool called Divvy that lets you set regions of the screen and assign the shortcuts to make the window go to that size/position.


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Why do commands use the stupid apple key. Whats the point in that? At least put it where the ctrl key is. The apple key is right under your hands and difficult to get to.


Its just different, its the way it has always been. Doesnt take long to learn the different motor reflexes to use it as naturally as you do the ctrl.

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That said theres some nice little bits and bobs and it was fun learning one but anyone saying you can be more productive is on crack. You can be equally productive but theres no amazing features that let you magically do things many times faster.


The big one for me is spotlight, Windows search is a joke by comparison. I use it for launching everything (and quick calculations).
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Reply #164 on: August 21, 2010, 18:10:20 PM
So to sum up after working with the macs this week. Theyre nice and pretty, and the screens we have are fantastic (the 30" ones).

The F9 / F10 thing is very handy.

So while I think a Mac is a viable alternative to windows, Ive seen nothing that can answer my question - why are they so expensive ?

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