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Chat => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sam on August 12, 2010, 02:15:12 AM
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So starting a new job Monday and its all mac based.
Got me to thinking. Whats so good about them that theyre worth 3x the price ?
I dont want some fanboi discussion, nor apple bashing. Im just genuinely curious. Why pay $2000 for an apple - what does it do that you (apple users) think is worth the premium ?
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Its white, it looks pretty good and Apple people buy them cus there the sort of people that have money to burn, thats the impression i got from working in the Apple related trade.
Personally, i hated my experience with them, after 6 months i still preferred PC for everything i do. The added bonus is less Virus/Spyware or should i say hardly existent on the Mac as most of that stuff is aimed at the PC and Windows.
The OS looks quite tasty as well, but its annoying to use when you have been using PCs for 15 or so years.
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First off, lets stop with the "3x the price" bullsh*t. Apple dont make cheap computers so you need to go toward the top end to get a comparable spec windows machine, at which point the price difference is, relatively, negligible. You can pull out any spec Windows machine you want and Ill tell you what its still missing to match a Mac. You may say "well i dont carre about that", but you cant ignore it when doing a price comparison.
For me, its partly the hardware, but mostly the OS. I find it painful to use Windows these days. There is no thought given to how people actually use the damn thing, a complete lack of intuitiveness about the interface, no thought to the feedback to a user and its slow and sluggish, regardless of the speed of the hardware. The available software is similar. You just get the impression that the top Mac software was designed by people who are making software for people to use. The main thing is the OS and software just get out of my way and let me get the job done. Im much more productive on a Mac than i ever was on a Windows or Linux machine and that, alone, is worth a couple of hundred quid, which you will easily make back because Apple hardware isnt worthless a year after you buy it (when i upgraded from my MacBook to a MacBook Pro I sold the MacBook, which was just over a year old and cost £829 new, for £700. That would never happen with a Windows machine.
Do I fetishise my Apple hardware? A little. Am I a fanboy? Sure. But i feel justified in both of those things.
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Last week while I was in Denver a couple of friends and I were in the local shopping mall and called in to both the Apple and Microsoft stores for a play with the latest gadgetry.
I hate the Apple phenomenon, where people run out and buy the latest Apple gear because its new and has an apple on it. I really wanted to hate the Apple stuff, I was looking for holes to pick in it. Ive got to admit, the only thing wrong with it is a somewhat inflated price. In so far as I could tell from a brief play the Apple kit does everything it says its going to and looks good while it does it.
In contrast the M$ software had some really good ideas (most of which Im pretty certain were done by Linux, MacOS or both some years before), most of which dont quite work as advertised.
Id still rather spend half the price on a machine including exactly the specs I want with Linux on it, MacOS isnt even close to better than Linux enough to justify the extra outlay. But take Linux out of the equation and assume I actually have the money for a Mac and Id be down the Apple store like a shot.
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As the Other Said really..
The apple Hype machine is annoying and the true apple Fan boys Annoy the f**k out of everyone and as result from outsiders there is a bad rep there and thus diss the hardware simply based on that. Which is unfair. Jobs and co are dicks but the hardware and software is actually rather good.
Its all a closed system. Your OS is linked with your hardware and vice versa. Apple know what the hardware is going to be doing and the OS is built on those platforms and nothing else. Everything 9/10 times works and works better then on a PC as a result. PCs are great but with all the hardware options they can be there are all those hardware and software issues as a result.
Like I said before Sam, to work on a day to day bases and to use for everyday stuff Mac is far better, It is just a general experience as you get to know them. First it will be "Oh this is sh*t" Etc most people have simple because its different and things are different.
On a mac soon as you install things like growl, quicksilver and use spaces fast switching basically a new OS and it be FAST and very snappy its just NICE. Coupled with the fact that the code base for apps produces DAM NICE app interfaces which again just fell nice to bloody use.
Adium for example can have every chat hooked up to it under the sun and a million and one addons to go with it and skin it to how you want and it looks good doing so compared to pidgen etc.
Because growl for example is so widely adopted everything from Thunderbird to FTP programs support it and you get nice notifications.
Window management is a bit naff to be fair and file and networking is not as good as PC and I think windows 7 Is a VERY good OS and I am glad MS finally GET THINGS! but I am seriously thinking about getting a new imac for home I can afford it.
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When I was a student at uni I volunteered for some tests that students were doing in terms of "Human Computer Interface" etc. Basically this meant they got me to perform the same task in Windows and on a Mac. I have to admit at the end of the tests I was always pleasantly surprised by the ease of use of the Mac and how straight forward things were. Considering they were my first experiences of an OS different to Windows, it is rather intuitive
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Can you give some examples of the software being better? As far as I can see all the industry standard apps (i.e. Adobe CS, Quark, etc) are available on PC and work exactly the same. My only experiences of Macs are that they are a bit different for the sake of being different and I wouldnt want to spend the time learning the interface for a marginal productivity difference in the OS. The whole single mouse button thing for instance, theres no way you can make a single button design more efficient than a dual-button design for one handed operation - unless youve somehow designed a really rubbish interface - at its most simple level the more buttons you have the more you can do. It always seemed to me to be done for the sake of being different. My experience of trying to do something as simple as copy a font from a Mac to PC was a complete nightmare. In Windows you can just go to the C:\Windows\Fonts folder and copy it, but it seems to me Apple dont like you to change their OS at all and make it very difficult to do simple tasks like this, they just want you to run applications and browse the web, not do any kind of maintenance or tweaking. I had to go and get a number of programs and read countless guides to get the font files and then to convert them into what I would consider a standard format.
In terms of the hardware/software marriage, I work from home and have my computer running literally 24/7. The only time I reboot is for software updates and it has been running for months without a crash - the last one I can even remember being caused by a graphics driver glitch. Can you Mac owners honestly say that or is the OS still as buggy as it used to be? You can defend the quality of the Mac hardware/software all you want, but Mac users that accuse PCs/Windows of being more prone to crashes because the end user doesnt know what hes doing or manufacturers dont release quality drivers, thats rather unfair. Windows 7 is pretty faultless in terms of stability. At the end of the day for me, Id rather have a custom spec, high peformance PC and my nice top end Dell 24" screen which altogether probably cost me less than £800 new, than go out and pay the rediculous prices for shiny Apple hardware which I cant change or upgrade as necessary, when for my day to day work there is no perceivable software usability difference. In fact, I couldnt do my job with just a Mac because for web compatibility I need to use a range of browsers - all of which are available on PC including the Mac equivalents.
Ill just point out that despite my ramblings Im not an Apple hater or anything like that, each to their own and I think the iPhone is very good for what it does - but nothing they make is the be all and end all - I just cant stand the elitist fanboy attitude of some Apple users that their products are automatically better than everyone elses (definitely not suggesting that is you Goblin, despite me countering mostly your points). :)
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Can you give some examples of the software being better? As far as I can see all the industry standard apps (i.e. Adobe CS, Quark, etc) are available on PC and work exactly the same.
Adobe CS...
Short cut keys are easier and not so clunky, where for some reason they are 4/5 keys on PC they are 2/3 on the mac.
Hardware acceleration options just work better.
My only experiences of Macs are that they are a bit different for the sake of being different
General response from people who have glanced at Macs.
Not different to be different, just have more ability to design and produce better more rich interfaces. You should see some of the iPad Apps. I do not want an ipad but the apps rolling out are not only very very useable and well designed they just look very lush doing so.
and I wouldnt want to spend the time learning the interface for a marginal productivity difference in the OS.
Since going to a mac at work I am LEAST 3 times faster.
Can you give some examples of the software being better? As far as I can see all the industry standard apps (i.e. Adobe CS, Quark, etc) are available on PC and work exactly the same.
Adobe CS...
Short cut keys are easier and not so clunky, where for some reason they are 4/5 keys on PC they are 2/3 on the mac.
Hardware acceleration options just work better.
My only experiences of Macs are that they are a bit different for the sake of being different
General response from people who have glanced at Macs.
Not different to be different, just have more ability to design and produce better more rich interfaces. You should see some of the iPad Apps. I do not want an ipad but the apps rolling out are not only very very useable and well designed they just look very lush doing so.
Pressing space bar on any file like a pdf and open it up to quick read or preview it is something the PC very much lacks, very easy to find and preview files that you hunting for, search is a lot faster and simply due to the nature of the design and same spec machines as a pc the Mac will boot faster and an app will load faster.
One of the guys at work has a faster PC then the mac I am on in every aspect yet I boot mine after his and I am up and running before him. Same apps boot faster and run smoother.
The whole single mouse button thing for instance, theres no way you can make a single button design more efficient than a dual-button design for one handed operation
Shows your out the loop by quite a few years mate, lol.
The mac mice have both a right and left click and have done so for some time. PC mice work on them (I use a logitech at work) and have done for some time.
In Windows you can just go to the C:\Windows\Fonts folder and copy it, but it seems to me Apple dont like you to change their OS at all and make it very difficult to do simple tasks like this, they just want you to run applications and browse the web, not do any kind of maintenance or tweaking. I had to go and get a number of programs and read countless guides to get the font files and then to convert them into what I would consider a standard format.
Again, When was the last time you used a mac mate lol.
I dragged and dropped a font in the font folder on the mac today - installed and was away. The preview was better.
In terms of the hardware/software marriage, I work from home and have my computer running literally 24/7. The only time I reboot is for software updates and it has been running for months without a crash - the last one I can even remember being caused by a graphics driver glitch. Can you Mac owners honestly say that or is the OS still as buggy as it used to be? You can defend the quality of the Mac hardware/software all you want, but Mac users that accuse PCs/Windows of being more prone to crashes because the end user doesnt know what hes doing or manufacturers dont release quality drivers, thats rather unfair. Windows 7 is pretty faultless in terms of stability. At the end of the day for me, Id rather have a custom spec, high peformance PC and my nice top end Dell 24" screen which altogether probably cost me less than £800 new, than go out and pay the rediculous prices for shiny Apple hardware which I cant change or upgrade as necessary, when for my day to day work there is no perceivable software usability difference. In fact, I couldnt do my job with just a Mac because for web compatibility I need to use a range of browsers - all of which are available on PC including the Mac equivalents.
Bar idiot fan boys mac users actually do not diss PC users, often they use pcs, play games on (still the best option by a mile)
Like was said - stack up a same spec mac vs PC and there is not that much of a price difference.
Mac go Hi end market and nothing else, look for Hi end PC and the prices are very similar.
You forget I do Web as well mate and I have IE running on my mac from wine and the all the other browsers installed as well. Very easy to duel boot windows Out of the box on a mac as well.
Ill just point out that despite my ramblings Im not an Apple hater or anything like that, each to their own and I think the iPhone is very good for what it does - but nothing they make is the be all and end all - I just cant stand the elitist fanboy attitude of some Apple users that their products are automatically better than everyone elses (definitely not suggesting that is you Goblin, despite me countering mostly your points). :)
But it is interesting that due to SOME Idiot apple fan boy attitude and Apples self centered arrogance actual apple products good or bad just get a bad rep from people who not actually know much about them just because of what they hear and see about Apple the company and the fanbase mania that comes with them.
I mention Iphone in threads and before even thinking people have gone off on the apple rip route not actually reading much into what was said. Just common reactions.
I thought Mac was a sh*tstorm till I actually started using it and seeing it.
With the mac sleep how it is on a macbook pro and the nature of the hardware and OS I barley need to fully shut down. Open the laptop and its on and I am away.
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Can you give some examples of the software being better? As far as I can see all the industry standard apps (i.e. Adobe CS, Quark, etc) are available on PC and work exactly the same.
Coda (text editor) and Transmit (FTP), both from Panic software.
Versions (SVN)
Pixelmator (if you dont want to spend millions on Photoshop)
iMovie/iPhoto
Omnifocus/Omnigraffle
Delicious Library
My only experiences of Macs are that they are a bit different for the sake of being different and I wouldnt want to spend the time learning the interface for a marginal productivity difference in the OS.
Examples of "different for the sake of it"?
The whole single mouse button thing for instance, theres no way you can make a single button design more efficient than a dual-button design for one handed operation - unless youve somehow designed a really rubbish interface - at its most simple level the more buttons you have the more you can do. It always seemed to me to be done for the sake of being different.
My Magic Mouse and MBP trackpad have zero buttons, yet I can still left click, right click, middle click, scroll in any direction, use 2, 3 and 4 finger gestures, move back and forward in Finder and browsers, rotate images. Macs support as many buttons as your mouse has.
My experience of trying to do something as simple as copy a font from a Mac to PC was a complete nightmare. In Windows you can just go to the C:\Windows\Fonts folder and copy it, but it seems to me Apple dont like you to change their OS at all and make it very difficult to do simple tasks like this, they just want you to run applications and browse the web, not do any kind of maintenance or tweaking. I had to go and get a number of programs and read countless guides to get the font files and then to convert them into what I would consider a standard format.
Main Drive > Library > Fonts. Majority are in TTF format. Just because you dont know where something is does not make it hard. You could also have used the included Font Book app to find the ones you wanted.
In terms of the hardware/software marriage, I work from home and have my computer running literally 24/7. The only time I reboot is for software updates and it has been running for months without a crash - the last one I can even remember being caused by a graphics driver glitch. Can you Mac owners honestly say that or is the OS still as buggy as it used to be? You can defend the quality of the Mac hardware/software all you want, but Mac users that accuse PCs/Windows of being more prone to crashes because the end user doesnt know what hes doing or manufacturers dont release quality drivers, thats rather unfair. Windows 7 is pretty faultless in terms of stability.
In my limited experience Windows 7 seems pretty stable. My Mac Mini at home currently is on an uptime of over four months running 24/7. You are more likely to get duff drivers on Windows purely because of the number of configurations possible, but the situation is much improved from XP.
At the end of the day for me, Id rather have a custom spec, high peformance PC and my nice top end Dell 24" screen which altogether probably cost me less than £800 new, than go out and pay the rediculous prices for shiny Apple hardware which I cant change or upgrade as necessary, when for my day to day work there is no perceivable software usability difference.
Id rather have the time. I cant be arsed messing around with hardware these days.
In fact, I couldnt do my job with just a Mac because for web compatibility I need to use a range of browsers - all of which are available on PC including the Mac equivalents.
Windows in a VM does the same. You, however, cannot test the same browsers as a Mac uses as they do have rendering differences to their Windows versions.
Ill just point out that despite my ramblings Im not an Apple hater or anything like that, each to their own and I think the iPhone is very good for what it does - but nothing they make is the be all and end all - I just cant stand the elitist fanboy attitude of some Apple users that their products are automatically better than everyone elses (definitely not suggesting that is you Goblin, despite me countering mostly your points). :)
Horses for courses. For me I make the difference in price back in about four weeks worth of productivity. I am a fanboy, unashamedly so, but its like being a reformed smoker, you cant understand why everyone else is still doing something so bad ;)
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Can you give some examples of the software being better? As far as I can see all the industry standard apps (i.e. Adobe CS, Quark, etc) are available on PC and work exactly the same.
Coda (text editor) and Transmit (FTP), both from Panic software.
Versions (SVN)
Pixelmator (if you dont want to spend millions on Photoshop)
iMovie/iPhoto
Omnifocus/Omnigraffle
Delicious Library
Is coda better than text pad?
Who uses SVN outside of their IDE ? (Ie, were all using subclipse inside eclipse).
If you dont want to spend millions on photoshop - in your first post you said you must compare side by side otherwise a price comparison is unfair.
Dont know what the others are.
Sounds like youve picked a pretty obscure list of software.
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Since going to a mac at work I am LEAST 3 times faster.
That must have been because of your thumb mate, because thats just retarded.
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Is coda better than text pad?
Yes. Also better than Ultraedit which I used on Windows for many years.
Who uses SVN outside of their IDE ? (Ie, were all using subclipse inside eclipse).
I rarely do, but for heavy lifting stuff a dedicated program is a no brainer.
If you dont want to spend millions on photoshop - in your first post you said you must compare side by side otherwise a price comparison is unfair.
Its an example of a different pixel pushing program that is also beautifully designed. Amazingly enough, you can also get Photoshop on Mac.
Dont know what the others are.
iMovie - Video editing for normal people. Miles ahead of Windows Movie Maker.
iPhoto - Photo management. Miles ahead of anything, including Picasa
Omnifocus - GTD app.
Omnigraffle - Visio type thing. But good.
Delicious Library - for tracking all your media collection (both digital and hard copy). Nothing like it on Windows that I have seen.
Sounds like youve picked a pretty obscure list of software.
Only if youre not a Mac user.
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I call your bluff on Hardware.
Apple dont make computers. Full stop. They are Asus or Foxconn, depending on which flavour you buy.
Spec wise, When looking at buying my current Dell laptop, the exact equivalent Apple laptop was at least £400 more. Id go as far to say that the Dell had the better GFX card.
It seems the same when looking at the desktop offerings too. They are considerably more expensive, for an identical or lesser machine.
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Coda (text editor) and Transmit (FTP), both from Panic software.
Versions (SVN)
Pixelmator (if you dont want to spend millions on Photoshop) - GIMP?
iMovie/iPhoto
Omnifocus/Omnigraffle
Delicious Library
Im with Sam here. A text editor and FTP software are hardly great examples (TextPad is awesome in Windows btw). There are Windows equivalents for SVN Im sure.You cant tell me Photoshop is any better on a Mac than a PC for instance. Liam, keyboard shortcuts dont count at all when you can easily change them in the preferences, they are hardly good examples of making the program 3x more usable
Examples of "different for the sake of it"?
The examples I used such as the cursor interface, the fonts, filesystem, etc. Theres no need for a lot of these things to be different (or at least to lack support for inter-platform compatibility). Microsoft manage it pretty well.
My Magic Mouse and MBP trackpad have zero buttons, yet I can still left click, right click, middle click, scroll in any direction, use 2, 3 and 4 finger gestures, move back and forward in Finder and browsers, rotate images. Macs support as many buttons as your mouse has.
Well obviously its moved on now, but they could easily make those real buttons, so why not?
Main Drive > Library > Fonts. Majority are in TTF format. Just because you dont know where something is does not make it hard. You could also have used the included Font Book app to find the ones you wanted.
That wasnt the main problem, it wasnt too hard to discover where the font library was. The main problem was getting it off the Mac - the font being Zapfino if youre interested - onto a PC and in a working format (converted to TTF), hence spending an hour reading guides. Then I had to use Yousendit to transfer the file as I couldnt simply copy it over the network.
You are more likely to get duff drivers on Windows purely because of the number of configurations possible, but the situation is much improved from XP.
Again, not arguing this point, but the inference could be taken here that PCs are inherently more unstable, which simply isnt the case.
Id rather have the time. I cant be arsed messing around with hardware these days.
Mesh, Dell, Alienware, etc? Speccing your own machine doesnt necessarily mean doing your own build. You can also lose the crap you dont want and save a bit of money over the Apple specs I would think?
Windows in a VM does the same. You, however, cannot test the same browsers as a Mac uses as they do have rendering differences to their Windows versions.
True enough, but then why would I want to spend the time configuring a virtual machine with Windows to render sites in the worlds most used browser, when I can cater to the 5% of Mac Safari users rendering issues with good CSS knowledge and browsershots.org? Seems like a step backwards in your time saving there
I will admit Ive not used a Mac properly in many years other than a play in the Apple store, so I know Im out of the loop, but these are valid points Im probably not alone in the mindset of, which Im glad to see you two answering.
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band garage.. nuff said
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Guys stop writing books, theyre both lovely operating systems (edit, products etc also) Im sure, at the end of the day does it really matter?
Though I will admit to loling hard at the 3 times faster quote, looks like serious has a new neighbour :wub:
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Pixelmator (if you dont want to spend millions on Photoshop) - GIMP?
Im with Sam here. A text editor and FTP software are hardly great examples (TextPad is awesome in Windows btw). There are Windows equivalents for SVN Im sure.You cant tell me Photoshop is any better on a Mac than a PC for instance.
GIMP is the most godawful piece of crap I have ever seen. Usability wise.
Actually, they *are* great examples. People dont put effort into them on Windows, yet I spend eight hours a day inside my text editor, so it had better be freaking awesome.
Examples of "different for the sake of it"?The examples I used such as the cursor interface, the fonts, filesystem, etc. Theres no need for a lot of these things to be different (or at least to lack support for inter-platform compatibility). Microsoft manage it pretty well. Main Drive > Library > Fonts. Majority are in TTF format. Just because you dont know where something is does not make it hard. You could also have used the included Font Book app to find the ones you wanted.
That wasnt the main problem, it wasnt too hard to discover where the font library was. The main problem was getting it off the Mac - the font being Zapfino if youre interested - onto a PC and in a working format (converted to TTF), hence spending an hour reading guides. Then I had to use Yousendit to transfer the file as I couldnt simply copy it over the network.
What do you mean the cursor interface?
Fonts are fonts, nothing to do with Mac. I have Zapfino as a TTF, so I dont know what your issue was, nor why you couldnt transfer it across the network. That sounds like a user blaming the Mac because they dont know how to do something.
Whats wrong with the filesystem? Pretty standard UNIX derived layout.
My Magic Mouse and MBP trackpad have zero buttons, yet I can still left click, right click, middle click, scroll in any direction, use 2, 3 and 4 finger gestures, move back and forward in Finder and browsers, rotate images. Macs support as many buttons as your mouse has.
Well obviously its moved on now, but they could easily make those real buttons, so why not?
Because my parents get confused when theres more than one button.
Id rather have the time. I cant be arsed messing around with hardware these days.
Mesh, Dell, Alienware, etc? Speccing your own machine doesnt necessarily mean doing your own build. You can also lose the crap you dont want and save a bit of money over the Apple specs I would think?
I was specifically referring to upgrading, I cant be bothered anymore. Luckily with a Mac I dont need to because, even if I didnt buy a new machine every year, they dont feel dog slow four or five years later.
As for Mesh & Dell, their hardware is crap. And doesnt come with OSX.
Windows in a VM does the same. You, however, cannot test the same browsers as a Mac uses as they do have rendering differences to their Windows versions.
True enough, but then why would I want to spend the time configuring a virtual machine with Windows to render sites in the worlds most used browser, when I can cater to the 5% of Mac Safari users rendering issues with good CSS knowledge and browsershots.org? Seems like a step backwards in your time saving there
Maybe I just care a little more? ;)
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This same argument pops up everywhere now and then. It really comes down to personal choice such as which car you drive or which deoderant you use.
People can see different benefits in different things. Me I have a PC as a main machine (still running Vista though I really should just upgrade to 7) and a macbook for carrying around with me.
Most of the time when using windows it feels like I am fighting the niggles and the problems to get things done. I personalise my computer a lot with the desktop the start menu file structure etc. I also have it connected to a million and 1 devices either via usb and or network which windows puts up with but most of the time doesnt really like.
My mac is just easier, everything just goes where it is supposed to and if I need to find something it is where I first look for it. I also find it a much more comfortable user experience compared to a PC.
Would I make my main machine a Mac.. possibly but probably not. Would I change my macbook to a PC laptop... no .. just no.
I am not some mac fan boy, but I accept that it has different things to offer than a PC can. Some of the inbuilt programs that came with my mac are far superior than anything I have seen on a windows machine (native support for raw images being a superb example).
Each system has their benefits, but I am leaning to simpler more closed system rather than the open fiddlers system because tbh. I dont really need to mess around with the backend of my machine any more. I would rather just use it and get things done.
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Yeah I dont really want to get drawn into writing essays as matts said. Youve answered most of the points now anyway.
Youve completely missed the mark on comparing software though - the idea was to compare like for like, not say Mac has x, y and z apps that are amazing, because Im sure if we sat down and thought about it every person here could come up with an amazing piece of freeware, shareware or paid for Windows app that does the job they want. The point I was making was, in a like for like comparison of two of the same app on different platforms, theres no difference really. Its not like the old days where DTP professionals would go on about needing a Mac as the software wasnt available for Windows.
As for the font issue, since Im clearly not a bit thick and know how to open a fonts folder and find a font regardless of OS, lets assume that Zapfino wasnt in TTF and had to be converted. What I dont understand is why I couldnt connect over network either, but I do dinstinctly remember trying, failing and then deciding it was somehow quicker to use Yousendit than fanny around on the Mac anymore.
So really, the thing that annoys me here with Macs is that people harp on about how easy and intuitive they are to use, but how many experienced windows/linux users point out theyve tried to use on and got nowhere with it? I dont consider something intuitive if it has to be explained to me the way you and Liam both say "you just dont know what youre doing". Yes thats exactly the point. It should be easy enough that if I dont know I can figure it out.
I think Windows has taken a backstep there too though so this isnt just Mac slating. Windows 7 is far less intuitive in many ways, I really hate a lot of the interface changes theyve made since XP, especially to Networking which was once a few set of easy to use panels and is now a series of questions, cryptic menus and hidden areas. Progression from DOS, to Win 3.1, to 95, etc was very easy as far as I remember. If you didnt know where something was the same basic rules always applied and it was easy to look for an find how to do something. Ive never had that experience using Mac OS back at that time.
But if I were new to using computers Id be scratching my head either way I think.
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GIMP is the most godawful piece of crap I have ever seen. Usability wise.
another example of horses for courses, I find GIMP the most intuitive graphics editor interface wise.
I recognise and accept that this puts me in a small minority, but its not crap, it works perfectly, its just not what youre used to and doesnt work the way you personally like to work.
I have never needed to read a help file or document of any kind for GIMP, everything I want is exactly where I would put it.
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Wondered how long before it would descend into to something like this.
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Unlike all of you here, I dont really understand anything on my computer, and I only use it for basic things like internets and such.
I cant compare software and shiz a) because I dont understand it and b) because I just dont care.
I understand apple computers have their uses, theyre good when it comes to thing like music and media type stuff, my friend brought one because shes doing a music course and she can use the same stuff at home as at college, so yes its good for that, but when youre using a computer for just the basic stuff like word, internet and to store photos and music and stuff then you might as well just get a normal windows run computer.
When I was at college, one of my photography lessons was spent with my lecturer teaching us all how to use an apple computer, you wouldnt need to spend a 2 hour lesson learning how to use microsoft would you?
Also, why dont they have a print screen button?! You learn how much you actually use it when youre having to press the apple key, shift, 4 all the time ):
In my experience the only useful thing Ive used an apple shop for was in Barcelona, it started raining and it was the only shop open at 1pm
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When I was at college, one of my photography lessons was spent with my lecturer teaching us all how to use an apple computer, you wouldnt need to spend a 2 hour lesson learning how to use microsoft would you?
You have obviously never taught an IT Clait course to someone who has never used windows then.
Just because you and mostly everyone else have used windows computers (mostly due to their mass popularity) forever doesnt mean they are easy to use. It only shows that people know how to use windows because it was all they use.
You would need far more than a 2 hour lesson to teach someone how to use Linux, have been in a few of those lessons (luckily I had some knowledge before the course).
The problem with the majority of the people on these boards are that they are either IT professionals or enthusiasts. This gives them a different jaded view of computers. To the average joe it is amazing how good a mac can be for their ease of use, the only problem being that if they go elsewhere they will more than likely come across a windows machine and not have a clue what to do.
The biggest plus for non-comp savvy people with macs are the apple stores. They are stocked with staff that are very knowedgeable about macs and are willing to help even the most idiotic mac user (and there are plenty). Nowhere in the PC market is there an equivalent full service and help (dont even think of mentioning PC World or I will just laugh at you).
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On a serious note, a family friend has Macs, iPhones etc, and his biggest gripe is the customer support.
Basically, when he has an issue, his response is "Well, its not the apple product, its perfect. It must be you"
or something like that.
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When I was at college, one of my photography lessons was spent with my lecturer teaching us all how to use an apple computer, you wouldnt need to spend a 2 hour lesson learning how to use microsoft would you?
You have obviously never taught an IT Clait course to someone who has never used windows then.
Just because you and mostly everyone else have used windows computers (mostly due to their mass popularity) forever doesnt mean they are easy to use. It only shows that people know how to use windows because it was all they use.
You would need far more than a 2 hour lesson to teach someone how to use Linux, have been in a few of those lessons (luckily I had some knowledge before the course).
The problem with the majority of the people on these boards are that they are either IT professionals or enthusiasts. This gives them a different jaded view of computers. To the average joe it is amazing how good a mac can be for their ease of use, the only problem being that if they go elsewhere they will more than likely come across a windows machine and not have a clue what to do.
The biggest plus for non-comp savvy people with macs are the apple stores. They are stocked with staff that are very knowedgeable about macs and are willing to help even the most idiotic mac user (and there are plenty). Nowhere in the PC market is there an equivalent full service and help (dont even think of mentioning PC World or I will just laugh at you).
I could understand having to teach people how to use computers and whatnot in an IT based class, but in a photography class? It was my understanding that involved taking photographs, I would have thought if a lesson should be on anything technical it is either how to use a slr/dslr or the chemical process of developing film, not how to use the stupid mouse to right click and what exactly the use of the dashboard is other than to get in the way and annoy you.
I live near a novatech store, theyre pretty good at helping computer wise, but then when I have Nigel, I dont really need some bored half asleep uni student telling me everything theyve been trained to say to every customer that comes in.
I just dont like apple stuff, and I can tell you like them from the way you keep defending them, but isnt a bit unfair to force your opinion on everyone else, then taking theirs and trying to find faults with everything they say?
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It isnt as much me defending them, just seeing the usual "I cant instantly use one as though I was using windows" reaction to apple which means that they must be hard to use.
Linux often gets the same problem but gets away with it due to the open nature of the operating system and less commercial approach that they are cut more slack and seen as something just for the enthusiast.
Windows = Regular Joe Public
Linux = Nerdy geeks
Apple = Arrogant Rich Idiots
That is the general view of computer users.
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Shocking how this thread has turned out.
/Blames Sam for starting the PC/Mac war
And Niges last post was spot on!
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I just like using Windows, Ive always used windows since primary school, and in my secondary school they didnt bring in macs till I was in year 9, and it was only for the music department and seeming as I didnt take a music GSCE, I didnt have any experience with them.
You have to realise a vast majority of people have been taught to use windows, so its not their fault theyre not the first ones to jump on the apple bandwagon.
I like continuity, as do quite a lot of people, so if the choice is between windows and apple, and they know how to use windows, then theyre going to stick to it arent they?
Im not saying that if youve only ever one then you cant use the other, Im just trying to point out that people dont have to like apple if they dont want to, and vice versa.
Im all for iPods and iPhones and iPads, even though I dont own any and dont intend to, I just dont like the computers when it purely comes down to internet for me - does Facebook look better depending what computer youre using? I dont think so.
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I just like using Windows, Ive always used windows since primary school, and in my secondary school they didnt bring in macs till I was in year 9, and it was only for the music department and seeming as I didnt take a music GSCE, I didnt have any experience with them.
You have to realise a vast majority of people have been taught to use windows, so its not their fault theyre not the first ones to jump on the apple bandwagon.
I like continuity, as do quite a lot of people, so if the choice is between windows and apple, and they know how to use windows, then theyre going to stick to it arent they?
Im not saying that if youve only ever one then you cant use the other, Im just trying to point out that people dont have to like apple if they dont want to, and vice versa.
Im all for iPods and iPhones and iPads, even though I dont own any and dont intend to, I just dont like the computers when it purely comes down to internet for me - does Facebook look better depending what computer youre using? I dont think so.
Facebook looks amazing when your system costs £400 more and the outside of the screens white matches that of the Facebook page! /Sarcasm off :P
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I just dont like the computers when it purely comes down to internet for me - does Facebook look better depending what computer youre using? I dont think so.
Yes, because OSX has far superior font rendering to Windows. (Im not even joking here).
OSX
(http://cl.ly/8fcb8991afe3c3e6b9c5/content)
Windows
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I just dont like the computers when it purely comes down to internet for me - does Facebook look better depending what computer youre using? I dont think so.
Yes, because OSX has far superior font rendering to Windows. (Im not even joking here).
OSX
(http://cl.ly/8fcb8991afe3c3e6b9c5/content)
Windows
(http://cl.ly/7ed6b308b24044e151fc/content)
Personally I think the windows one looks better... does it really matter that the font is a little bit bolder? It might to some people, but not to me. As long as its in english and a font I can read it makes absolutely no difference.
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Perchance do you also think a Kia is a perfectly good car?
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The fonts look crisper in the PC version? Id much rather crisp fonts than ones that are slightly blurry on the edges if I am doing lots of reading.
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The simple fact of the matter is you can get done 99% of things on both! ...all this bollocks about being able to do things 3 times quicker come on get a grip! :rofl:
I do find Mac’s expensive, which is why I don’t own one, but that is across Apples entire range of products not just Macs and about 90% of their products are more than I’m willing to pay. I’m not a hater, but i will not buy anything that I don’t consider good value, I do have an ipod touch and it’s a great bit of kit for 150 quid, but the Iphone and Ipad are silly money for what they are and I view Mac’s in the same light.
The attitude of some Mac uses remind me of people on audio sites who paid 200+ quid for a HDMI cable with the way they need to prove its superiority and trash cheaper alternatives as not fit for purpose in comparison! ...Different products but the same old bollocks tbh! :mutley:
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Theyre not crisper, they have no sub-pixel hinting, making it much harder to read, especially long passages.
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Perchance do you also think a Kia is a perfectly good car?
How exactly does a car fit in? I was under the impression that we were talking about fonts?
And tbh, Im 17 and I dont know how to drive, so my judgement of cars depends on how pretty they look.
Minis are pretty, therefore I like them
I dont think kias are pretty therefore they mean nothing to me
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And tbh, Im 17 and I dont know how to drive, so my judgement of cars depends on how pretty they look.
Minis are pretty, therefore I like them
I dont think kias are pretty therefore they mean nothing to me
Surely you should love Macs then ;)
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Cars have wheels and transport people around, people always see them so they should be pretty so you can just be like ha! my car looks nicer than yours
Computers generally stay at home, and not so many people see them, so you dont need to have a flashy computer. Face it, apples are for people who want to say look, I have an apple product. I am therefore superior to you in coolness ratings, and you should envy me for my shiny prone to crashing product that is really no better than anything you have, it just shines a bit more and costs more than anything you can afford.
Also, Im a girl if it came down to having the money to buy a macbook pro or lots of shoes and clothes, then the latter shall win everytime (:
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Yeah, I drive a beat up old ford ka but own a macbook that is barely used around other people and my only other apple product, my iphone, is in a case that most people can barely tell it isnt some cheap nasty thing.
I dont use macs for the looks :)
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well maybe if you sold them you could get a better car?
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Who f**king cares
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Sorry Mac-Lovers.
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I just dont like the computers when it purely comes down to internet for me - does Facebook look better depending what computer youre using? I dont think so.
Yes, because OSX has far superior font rendering to Windows. (Im not even joking here).
OSX
(http://cl.ly/8fcb8991afe3c3e6b9c5/content)
Windows
(http://cl.ly/7ed6b308b24044e151fc/content)
You sure you have those the right way round? The Windows one looks better here, and imo, OSX and Ubuntu have always looked nicer, text wise.
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Actually Windows 7 had an overhaul of the ClearType engine and now does indeed do subpixel rendering.
Windows 7 is designed to kick ClearType up a notch. Taking advantage of the LCD pixel architecture and leveraging the human visual system, ClearType manages to spread the energy associated with a single pixel to the neighboring sub-pixels in, making text appear sharper. In Windows 7, ClearType comes with increased clarity, allowing end users to opt from a wider variety of granular choices via the ClearType Text Tuner.
“One of the graphics improvements we made in Windows 7, therefore, is to move from the physical pixel model of the past, and instead creating a new design around what we call the “device independent pixel” unit (or “DIP”), a “virtual pixel” that is one-ninety-sixth an inch in floating-point data type,” Chaoweeraprasit added. “In this model, a glyph (or any other geometric primitive for that matter) can size to fractional pixels, and be positioned anywhere in between the two pixels. The new ClearType improvement allows sizing and placement of glyph to the screen’s sub-pixel nearest to its ideal condition, creating a more natural looking word shape and making text on screen look a lot closer to print quality.”
ClearType Tuner
The quality of the ClearType text can be optimized for you and your monitor. The ClearType Tuner is a new control panel component for Windows 7. Because there are differences in monitor characteristics and differences between readers’ eyes, there are font rendering options that can only be optimized by a reader looking at text on their monitor. The ClearType Tuner uses various samples of ClearType, presented in the form of an eye-test, to make fine grained adjustments to the ClearType algorithms. Each wizard page tunes a parameter such as monitor gamma (relationship between voltage and brightness), your sensitivity to color artifacts, and your preference for letter heaviness.
In order to switch between ClearType and grayscale, the setting “Turn on ClearType” on the opening page of the ClearType Tuner can be toggled.
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Actually Windows 7 had an overhaul of the ClearType engine and now does indeed do subpixel rendering.
What it is called in Ubuntu, subpixel rendering :)
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Wow Goblin, that font screenshots was the worst thing to post. The windows one looks 10x better, the mac one looks like I took my glasses off.
And it seems everyone else agrees.
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The simple fact of the matter is you can get done 99% of things on both! ...all this bollocks about being able to do things 3 times quicker come on get a grip! :rofl:
Simply not true, stacks of things on the web or companies such as 37signals and their blogs refering to why a mac has increased their productivity.
You can do your job on PC and I have for years and windows 7 is nice but mac has WAY LESS faffing about.
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Font rendering is a non issue as they are different for each OS and Browser. Windows 7 Font rendering as Nige said is WAY better then past versions of windows and is now there and not crap.
OSX > XP, Vista
Win7 = OSX and so on
At the end of the day that is personal preference, I am either or and some fonts are better on different OS.
Helvetica for example does look better on Mac then PC. Verdana looks better on PC then Mac in my opinion as another example.
Not really something you can compare.
Colour pallet is another story as well. Not one better but both different. You can find fault in colour variations a lot clearer on a mac though. An image on a background image and if not done exact you can notice it on a mac while it looks fine on a pc.
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Helvetica and Verdana are bad examples really as one is traditionally a Mac font and the other is a Microsoft font, so they are bound to look better on their respective native platforms.
I believe Mac gamma is lower than on a PC, which is good for print work but not for web/screen I think. It could be the other way around though.
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Nexus - have you tripled your salary since you started using a Mac - seems like the only reasonable measure of productivity really...
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Font rendering is a non issue as they are different for each OS and Browser. Windows 7 Font rendering as Nige said is WAY better then past versions of windows and is now there and not crap.
OSX > XP, Vista
Win7 = OSX and so on
At the end of the day that is personal preference, I am either or and some fonts are better on different OS.
Helvetica for example does look better on Mac then PC. Verdana looks better on PC then Mac in my opinion as another example.
Not really something you can compare.
Colour pallet is another story as well. Not one better but both different. You can find fault in colour variations a lot clearer on a mac though. An image on a background image and if not done exact you can notice it on a mac while it looks fine on a pc.
Dunno what youre on about. Windows 7 is great but the fonts havent changed since XP. Windows has always had the best looking fonts.
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Nexus - have you tripled your salary since you started using a Mac - seems like the only reasonable measure of productivity really...
Hes just three times better value for his employer :)
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anti-aliasing text on a screen gives me a migrain trying to read it. As a non-artist it isnt needed in my case, and its witched off no matter what OS Im using.
The only thing youre paying for on a Mac is their industrial design, and the OS. If you buy the right machine you can Hackintosh it anyway, and since they farmed all their production out to Quanta and Asus anyway youre not getting anything like the quality you used to get. At one time you didnt bother with the extended warranty because you KNEW it would outlast the point you had to buy a new one. These days they are as failure happy as any other brand. From experience Id sooner have a £500 MSI than a £1500 Mac laptop, at least youll not be as out of pocket when the MSI shoots its brains out all over the desk.
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At one time you didnt bother with the extended warranty because you KNEW it would outlast the point you had to buy a new one.
Which was inevitable simply because getting upgrades was nigh on impossible.
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At one time you didnt bother with the extended warranty because you KNEW it would outlast the point you had to buy a new one.
Which was inevitable simply because getting upgrades was nigh on impossible.
My old Quadra 630 DOS is still ticking away at a mates house. He lets his kids use if for drawing and sh*t. Its had a new Hard Disk, but thats all. Even the PC card is still working!
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Perchance do you also think a Kia is a perfectly good car?
Would you pay 25% more than everyone else for a Kia if it was badge Kia by Apple? I think so :rofl:
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Nexus - have you tripled your salary since you started using a Mac - seems like the only reasonable measure of productivity really...
I have got 2 Pay rises very close together, the latter being the only one in the company to do so and others not told I have. So my work effort and quality of work has gone up and it has been noticed and I have been rewarded for it.
So not 3 times but Yes - Paid more as a result.
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Perchance do you also think a Kia is a perfectly good car?
Would you pay 25% more than everyone else for a Kia if it was badge Kia by Apple? I think so :rofl:
That is the thing, Apple do not do the mid to low end markets. They are focused on the high end range and thus the lead in that area.
Apple are apparently looking to delve into the mid range market though for a variety of products. It will be interesting to see if build quality then suffers as a result...
On a note about Apple the true rip off that I know no one will deny is Accessories. RIP OFF! UTTER RIP OFF! will not argue with anyone on that point.
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Perchance do you also think a Kia is a perfectly good car?
Would you pay 25% more than everyone else for a Kia if it was badge Kia by Apple? I think so :rofl:
LOL, What do you think Audi drivers do?
This thread has prompted me to sort out my i-boot and get OS-X 10.6 running on my Core i5, 4gb Ram, 320gb HDD Dell. That cost £600.
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Wow Goblin, that font screenshots was the worst thing to post. The windows one looks 10x better, the mac one looks like I took my glasses off.
And it seems everyone else agrees.
No it was the worst thing to post because its a fu;>&ng font for crying out loud, it makes me cry a tear of jesus that people actually give that much of a rats ass about something so trivial when there are so many better things to do.
Besides youre missing the point, its all about the rendering speed, can you guess how many times faster macs render fonts?
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Theyre not crisper, they have no sub-pixel hinting, making it much harder to read, especially long passages.
Its that kind of talk which puts many people off of macs and apple I think...telling non-mac users why they are wrong and how it should be. Im sorry, I dont need to be told that the PC font is much harder to read etc...I can see for myself...and I can see clearly that if I was told to read a 30 page document on a computer, I would choose the latter of the option, knowing full well that if I tried it with the first option Id get half way through and have to stop. To most people, they dont give a toss about sub-pixl hinting or any other thing that makes next to sod all practical difference and actually looks like a step backwards, they just want to get the job done.
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Should this be the basis of the new Tekforum logo?
Tekforums.
3x Faster
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Wow Goblin, that font screenshots was the worst thing to post. The windows one looks 10x better, the mac one looks like I took my glasses off.
And it seems everyone else agrees.
No it was the worst thing to post because its a fu;>&ng font for crying out loud, it makes me cry a tear of jesus that people actually give that much of a rats ass about something so trivial when there are so many better things to do.
Besides youre missing the point, its all about the rendering speed, can you guess how many times faster macs render fonts?
I reckon that would be three times as fast.
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Imo Macs should know their place
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soitll take me .0000001 of a second to render the text on a line rather than .0000003? SIgn me up to be REAMED every 2 years for a laptop!
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Sign me up to be REAMED every 0.6667 years for a laptop!
Fixed it for you.
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A collaboration of effort between myself and an unnamed person
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A collaboration of effort between myself and an unnamed person
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:lol: quality, tons better :cheers: :ptu:
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Since going to a mac at work I am LEAST 3 times faster.
OMG - LOL!
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THE DAY DOC BROWN THOUGHT FU>K IT :cheers:
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You fail. That LCD doesnt have subliminal prixel hinting
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This thread has grown 3x faster than anything Ive ever seen.
Thats probably the same number of times faster my dell laptop is than the fastest macbook.
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[size=18]Apple concentrate, when 3x faster isnt fast enough!
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Thats probably the same number of times faster my dell laptop is than the fastest macbook.
Cool. You have a processor thats three times as fast as a 2.66GHz Core i7?
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Could probably fund the research to build said processor with the difference in price.
Only, 3x faster!!!
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and yes folks - this image was manipulated... on a Mac! 8-)
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Did it take 1/3 of the time to manipulate as it would have on a PC?
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Did it take 1/3 of the time to manipulate as it would have on a PC?
Probably did actually - the Mac was already switched on!!
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Did it take 1/3 of the time to manipulate as it would have on a PC?
Probably did actually - the Mac was already switched on!!
Did that include the time you then spent being suitably smug about it?
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only 3 times?
shouldnt it be 40,000 times?
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unless you use firefox, then 3x would be about right -)
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hmmm :D I use minefield 4.0b4pre
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Lots of
http://yeeeeeeeeeeeeeees.com/
in this thread. Oh Nexus... :lol:
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I have got the extra money and promotion so I do not give a flying f**k what anyone else thinks. Quality of my designs continue to improve and so does my coding. :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana: :nana:
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I guess it is Sam modding my profile.
While forum thread is really funny I do not appreciate Admin abuse, trying to add images to my sig only and status.
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The thing that makes me chuckle the most is the fact that when you voice a negative opinion about an apple product to a person that owns an apple product, or is an apple fanboy, they take it as a personal insult. That they themselves have some personal stake in said product and must vehemently defend their honour. Makes me laugh. I bet it makes steve jobs laugh too, as he lol lol lols all the way to the bank
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I was just looking at apple mice to find one that had 3x the dpi as a normal mouse, turns out they arent :(
However came across this review on the Apple Pro mouse, please read it as it is obviously a fan boy review:
http://www.giantmike.com/reviews/promouse.html
Few quotes:
"Also, it produces more proficient button clicking, and extra precise clicks." Really, I mean really? I seem to be fairly proficient on my regular mouse?
"Most ball mice have resolutions that range from 150-300 dpi, so 400 dpi is awesome." - Not really comparing apples with apples (excuse the phrase) 400dpi < awesome
"Shooting its beam about 15% faster than most optical mice" - Apple have even managed to increase the speed of light, might be on to something here, apple users arent 3x faster, they are just bending time!
"If Apple were to modify this mouse to have two buttons, and a scroll wheel, they would have the best mouse on the market." - So if they changed it to be exactly the same as any other non apple mouse on the market, it would be the best, obviously because it is pretty and had the apple logo... 8/10 STARS!
I really dont get some people, hes either a fan boy or a moron, I kind of expect both!
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I was just looking at apple mice to find one that had 3x the dpi as a normal mouse, turns out they arent :(
However came across this review on the Apple Pro mouse, please read it as it is obviously a fan boy review:
http://www.giantmike.com/reviews/promouse.html
Few quotes:
"Also, it produces more proficient button clicking, and extra precise clicks." Really, I mean really? I seem to be fairly proficient on my regular mouse?
"Most ball mice have resolutions that range from 150-300 dpi, so 400 dpi is awesome." - Not really comparing apples with apples (excuse the phrase) 400dpi < awesome
"Shooting its beam about 15% faster than most optical mice" - Apple have even managed to increase the speed of light, might be on to something here, apple users arent 3x faster, they are just bending time!
"If Apple were to modify this mouse to have two buttons, and a scroll wheel, they would have the best mouse on the market." - So if they changed it to be exactly the same as any other non apple mouse on the market, it would be the best, obviously because it is pretty and had the apple logo... 8/10 STARS!
I really dont get some people, hes either a fan boy or a moron, I kind of expect both!
I was also told back along that an "Apple Certified Cable" is better than a "Non Certified Cable" because the "Non Certified Cable" could damage the Mac, the difference in price could be £30 for certified, and £2 for non certified.
I told Nige that day and we chuckled about it.
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Its hard to tell sometimes if people are just trying to sell you more expensive equipment, or do they actually believe the crap that they are saying? I expect it is all in an apple brochure somewhere!
On the flip side, I did an online course on W7 on MS expert zone (allowed me to get it for £35 - I didnt want to go on a course about it :P), And some of the stuff in it, was basically saying that Mac and Linux couldnt do certain things, but TBH I think it was bolloks, there may be a little truth behind some of the things said, but it had been bent quite significantly..
Just to add to my above post, the 8/10 rating is ridiculous, but looking at his other reviews (all Mac based) are fairly high, and in his defence, he did give the Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer a 9/10 :)
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Also
Since i started using a Mac to watch porn, i am AT LEAST 3 times faster
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All joking aside Nexus has a point. Im reading this on my iPhone and Im processing 3 words at a time in my brain instead of the usual 1 at a time, its incredible. Also the pictures look amazingly crisp, far better than they would on a Sony flatscreen for instance.
Omg Im typing at least 160wpm too, wow and jesus f**king Christ I phoned a premium rate number and was done in 10 seconds, that is 3 times faster than the advertised "30 seconds satisfaction" blimey!
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Apple products are not perfect, far from it and the threads funny....
I draw the line when people abuse access and try and mess with peoples accounts for their/others amusement.
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Apple products are not perfect, far from it and the threads funny....
I draw the line when people abuse access and try and mess with peoples accounts for their/others amusement.
What are you talking about?
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I guess it is Sam modding my profile.
While forum thread is really funny I do not appreciate Admin abuse, trying to add images to my sig only and status.
Im not touching your profile idiot.
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I guess it is Sam modding my profile.
While forum thread is really funny I do not appreciate Admin abuse, trying to add images to my sig only and status.
Im not touching your profile idiot.
Knighty will get jealous, your only allowed to touch his profile. :rofl:
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Man, I missed this all explode :(
Nexus is pretending to get angry at people changing his profile, because thats like infringing his human rights or something.
He isnt angry at the total annihilation he is currently receiving >_<
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Man, I missed this all explode :(
Nexus is pretending to get angry at people changing his profile, because thats like infringing his human rights or something.
He isnt angry at the total annihilation he is currently receiving >_<
Way way more mature then that. Lol.
People are bored and a few always looking to have a good pop and laugh which is fun. Others always like to jump on the band wagon and a few always take it to far.
Prople will get bored and find something else to amuse them soon enough.
Doesnt bother me one bit.
Wha that person put is nothing, going into peoples profiles an changing stuff for cheap laughs cause a big ahoy storm a while ago with a number of people here complaining big time and a good few weeks of forum arguing kicked off.
Seems ok to do it and then laugh at me now though.
^
that Im pisse about, the actual 3x tomes faster thing is rather funny.
Profile changes are not a lie. Nigel saw the image thing trying to load (I think) before I deleted it and a couple of other people saw this and the tag under the name. I was told on man rather then notice it myself.
The image URL in the sig was wrong so I deleted it and Nigel kindly fixed the tag.
Sam: yep know it was not you now but someone did. How you treat me here of course your the first person Id suspect.
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Sam: yep know it was not you now but someone did. How you treat me here of course your the first person Id suspect.
Dont be silly. I think youre condensing (without meaning to be) and I think you lack a sense of humour but I do think youre a nice guy who means well. So dont think I have it in for you.
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I must say this thread is feeling very old school! :D ...AMD rules!!! Intel sucks!!1!
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Ok guys.
Major egg on all our faces here. he was right. (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=352139)
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I must say this thread is feeling very old school! :D ...AMD rules!!! Intel sucks!!1!
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lol
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ugh
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Sam: yep know it was not you now but someone did. How you treat me here of course your the first person Id suspect.
Dont be silly. I think youre condensing (without meaning to be) and I think you lack a sense of humour but I do think youre a nice guy who means well. So dont think I have it in for you.
You made the thread, had a few pops again recently Sam So... I mean if it was the other way around and I had control of the forums etc you would consider me your top suspect as well. So I do apologise as I know you were with Alan.
All in good humour the stuff and folk are bored and it will pass, it is amusing for a number of reasons so I do :)
Note the person who did it wont fess up to it though but that person knows they taken it to far. Just there is a line between harmless fun and being a tit.
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On a side note, Got to laugh at the guys who are taken it to far, quite sad so its amusing to see and comments on MSN from others here agree :rofl:
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Since going to a mac at work I am LEAST 3 times faster
Liam, you plonker! :rofl:
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http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1546827
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Since going to a mac at work I am LEAST 3 times faster
Liam, you plonker! :rofl:
Tell you something, still do not actually get the amusement of it from some.
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Since going to a mac at work I am LEAST 3 times faster
Liam, you plonker! :rofl:
Tell you something, still do not actually get the amusement of it from some.
What amusement dont you get?
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Since going to a mac at work I am LEAST 3 times faster
Liam, you plonker! :rofl:
Tell you something, still do not actually get the amusement of it from some.
What amusement dont you get?
I think he gets the amusement, it just happens 3x faster than normal so its over in a flash.
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Note the person who did it wont fess up to it though but that person knows they taken it to far. Just there is a line between harmless fun and being a tit.
I changed the special user rank as you know and didnt see any sign of anyone changing your sig/avatar or whatever it was that you thought was changed Liam. No one else has access to the profiles, mods cant change them
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How long has the forum title been changed? You can tell Im using a PC as it took me 3x as long to notice.
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How long has the forum title been changed? You can tell Im using a PC as it took me 3x as long to notice.
I saw this post 3 hours ago and had not idea what you were on about... Ive seen it now I have been back to the forum 3x
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so.........nexus, what was actually changed in this "alleged" profile doctoring
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If Macs now have the same hardware as high end PCs, isnt this really a question about OS not hardware ? or is it a question about design and looks ?
So how does OSX, Ubuntu or W7 compare on one of these:
http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/laptop-model.jsp?family=Satellite&model=A500
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If Macs now have the same hardware as high end PCs, isnt this really a question about OS not hardware ? or is it a question about design and looks ?
This is my main gripe. They are essentially a PC now, but in a pretty box. Where is the justification of the massively increased price?
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If Macs now have the same hardware as high end PCs, isnt this really a question about OS not hardware ? or is it a question about design and looks ?
This is my main gripe. They are essentially a PC now, but in a pretty box. Where is the justification of the massively increased price?
You can have a PC in a pretty box and debate-ably prettier boxes, so all it comes down to is OS.
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Got me to thinking. Whats so good about them that theyre worth 3x the price ?
3x the price to make your bank balance reduce 3x as fast ;-)
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If Macs now have the same hardware as high end PCs, isnt this really a question about OS not hardware ? or is it a question about design and looks ?
This is my main gripe. They are essentially a PC now, but in a pretty box. Where is the justification of the massively increased price?
You can have a PC in a pretty box and debate-ably prettier boxes, so all it comes down to is OS.
But look at the OS Costs, if you were to buy it. Windows is like 3x the price!
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Ubuntu is free :D and I am very pleased with the performance on my low end lappy.
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Yes Windows is more expensive, but works with considerably more computer hardware, OSX only has to deal with a very small number of motherboards etc in comparison to windows, which works on practically anything including a Mac!
Also OSX is only every really bought as an upgrade, as when is a Mac ever bought without an OS? Could also the reduced cost of the OS be because the hardware is so damn expensive?
Yes Im a windows 7 user and Im very happy with it, especially compared to older versions... However if OSX was available on non extortionately priced hardware, I would probably buy it. I have used macs before and liked them, but would have to see how it performed day to day for my use.
Ubuntu... I tried it, I didnt like it, I cant remember exactly what it was, but something like trying to install the ability to play MP3 or something equally as simple took me an hour or so of dicking around!
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The reason its "cheaper" is because we all know it only runs on Apple hardware, which is a rip off.
Im sure microsoft would put the cost of windows down to 25 quid if they could sell you a Pentium 1 for $2000
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Yes Windows is more expensive, but works with considerably more computer hardware, OSX only has to deal with a very small number of motherboards etc in comparison to windows, which works on practically anything including a Mac!
Also OSX is only every really bought as an upgrade, as when is a Mac ever bought without an OS? Could also the reduced cost of the OS be because the hardware is so damn expensive?
Yes Im a windows 7 user and Im very happy with it, especially compared to older versions... However if OSX was available on non extortionately priced hardware, I would probably buy it. I have used macs before and liked them, but would have to see how it performed day to day for my use.
Ubuntu... I tried it, I didnt like it, I cant remember exactly what it was, but something like trying to install the ability to play MP3 player or something equally as simple took me an hour or so of dicking around!
Ubuntu is improving the 10.04 LTS is nice, but moost of the time u just need to go to synaptics (the packet handler) and type in this case, "MP3 player" and you will find what u need.
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Yes Windows is more expensive, but works with considerably more computer hardware, OSX only has to deal with a very small number of motherboards etc in comparison to windows, which works on practically anything including a Mac!
Also OSX is only every really bought as an upgrade, as when is a Mac ever bought without an OS? Could also the reduced cost of the OS be because the hardware is so damn expensive?
Yes Im a windows 7 user and Im very happy with it, especially compared to older versions... However if OSX was available on non extortionately priced hardware, I would probably buy it. I have used macs before and liked them, but would have to see how it performed day to day for my use.
Ubuntu... I tried it, I didnt like it, I cant remember exactly what it was, but something like trying to install the ability to play MP3 player or something equally as simple took me an hour or so of dicking around!
Ubuntu is improving the 10.04 LTS is nice, but moost of the time u just need to go to synaptics (the packet handler) and type in this case, "MP3 player" and you will find what u need.
I do go back and try various distributions occasionally, and I must say that the latest Ubuntu I tried was really good, just that one point annoyed me enough to not use it, but managed to pick up all my laptop hardware, was easy to install, and was quick.
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Does W7 play FLAC out of the box ?
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Nope but it is piss easy to install :P
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Does W7 play FLAC out of the box ?
Oh look how the Ubuntu users get all high and mighty all of a sudden!
How long did it take to get USB working out the box? Hum?
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Nope but it is piss easy to install :P
Yeah I know, I used foobar though. As easy as to get MP3 working in Ubuntu ;)
One thing to do after installing Ubuntu is to goto medibuntu (http://medibuntu.org/) and add the repository there.
And it explains why some things cannot be delivered with the distribution i.e.
Medibuntu (Multimedia, Entertainment & Distractions In Ubuntu) is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons (copyright, license, patent, etc).
Medibuntu is a packaging project dedicated to distributing software that cannot be included in Ubuntu for various reasons, related to geographical variations in legislation regarding intellectual property, security and other issues:
patentability of software, algorithms, formats and other abstract creation
legal restrictions on freedom of speech or communication
restrictions on the use of certain types of technical solution, such as cryptography
legal restrictions on imports of software technology, requiring for example specific permissions
etc.
A lot of excellent free software and non-free software is affected by such restriction somewhere in the world, thus preventing its inclusion into Ubuntu that, for economy and simplicity, are generally identical for all countries.
We refuse to resign ourselves to abandoning software that may be legally useful somewhere, and we have chosen to provide it with professional quality packaging, easily usable within the context of Ubuntu.
This repository provides packages for Ubuntu distribution.
Also installing the Ubuntu tweek package makes it easier for the beginner.
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Does W7 play FLAC out of the box ?
Oh look how the Ubuntu users get all high and mighty all of a sudden!
How long did it take to get USB working out the box? Hum?
LoL, USB and bluetooth worked right out of the box yes :D All I have thrown at it has worked except Telias 3G modem
because it also has a memory in it and Ubuntu finds the memory and looks no further so it took me 5 min. to search the Ubuntu forum to find a solution and copy and paste the code provided into a terminal and it worked fine.
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Does W7 play FLAC out of the box ?
Oh look how the Ubuntu users get all high and mighty all of a sudden!
How long did it take to get USB working out the box? Hum?
LoL, USB and bluetooth worked right out of the box yes :D All I have thrown at it has worked except Telias 3G modem
because it also has a memory in it and Ubuntu finds the memory and looks no further so it took me 5 min. to search the Ubuntu forum to find a solution and copy and paste the code provided into a terminal and it worked fine.
I didnt mean with the latest revision!
When normal computer users were enjoying USB with Windows XP, The older versions didnt.
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And MP3 support about 200 years later.
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Does W7 play FLAC out of the box ?
Oh look how the Ubuntu users get all high and mighty all of a sudden!
How long did it take to get USB working out the box? Hum?
LoL, USB and bluetooth worked right out of the box yes :D All I have thrown at it has worked except Telias 3G modem
because it also has a memory in it and Ubuntu finds the memory and looks no further so it took me 5 min. to search the Ubuntu forum to find a solution and copy and paste the code provided into a terminal and it worked fine.
I didnt mean with the latest revision!
When normal computer users were enjoying USB with Windows XP, The older versions didnt.
Yes I remember having to install something in W98 to be able to use USB :)
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Does W7 play FLAC out of the box ?
Oh look how the Ubuntu users get all high and mighty all of a sudden!
How long did it take to get USB working out the box? Hum?
LoL, USB and bluetooth worked right out of the box yes :D All I have thrown at it has worked except Telias 3G modem
because it also has a memory in it and Ubuntu finds the memory and looks no further so it took me 5 min. to search the Ubuntu forum to find a solution and copy and paste the code provided into a terminal and it worked fine.
I didnt mean with the latest revision!
When normal computer users were enjoying USB with Windows XP, The older versions didnt.
Yes I remember having to install something in W98 to be able to use USB :)
That was 95, And I dont think Linux even had a GUI at that point :D
I remember changing from a fully functioning XP box to a Linux box, getting fed up because even the most basic of hardware wasnt supported OOB and the slightest resolution change dropped you unceremoniously back at the shell.
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I think anyone who thinks that there can be an unbiased, objective discussion about operating systems, focusing mainly on Windows, OSX and Linux is just plain outta their mind :P
Im a Windows man myself, but thats outta pure laziness really. my geek friends say get linux, and my fanboy friends say get apple, both cause theyre better than any incarnation of windows ever made or that will be ever made.
My answer is always no, because ive grown up with windows and I know how it works and i dont care how intuitive the GUI is, Im sticking with windows!
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I started my new job today. Its all Mac based. I finished the project already.
No seriously, theyre not as bad as you think, but there are some f**king annoying things. Like you can only resize a window in the bottom right. Why?
Maximise doesnt work properly. Why?
Why cant I double click the title bar to maximise?
Why do commands use the stupid apple key. Whats the point in that? At least put it where the ctrl key is. The apple key is right under your hands and difficult to get to.
That said theres some nice little bits and bobs and it was fun learning one but anyone saying you can be more productive is on crack. You can be equally productive but theres no amazing features that let you magically do things many times faster.
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My brother uses one mac and a windows lappy, he just sees them as computers.
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Its like the Ford / Chevy wars in the states :D
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You can be equally productive but theres no amazing features that let you magically do things many times faster.
Apart from in things like photoshop where for some reason the apple version has shortcuts that are 2 key combos and the PC has 4 key combos. Why?!?!
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You can be equally productive but theres no amazing features that let you magically do things many times faster.
Apart from in things like photoshop where for some reason the apple version has shortcuts that are 2 key combos and the PC has 4 key combos. Why?!?!
As I pointed out earlier though, this is hardly a shortcoming when it takes 2 mins to go into the preferences and customise your shortcuts keys for your most used task. To be fair, with a program like Photoshop half of the defaults will be no good to you because they are for a range of tools you will never use, Im sure most people decide to change the shortcuts for their most frequently used tools at some point. For instance, who ever needs to quit in a hurry? Control+Q became crop for me. Save for Web that I use all the time is Control+G, replacing group layers that I never use.
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Good point....I honestly never thought to do that ><
Still leaves the question though, why are there more keys required as default, surely the ctrl key = apple key or something?
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You can be equally productive but theres no amazing features that let you magically do things many times faster.
Apart from in things like photoshop where for some reason the apple version has shortcuts that are 2 key combos and the PC has 4 key combos. Why?!?!
As I pointed out earlier though, this is hardly a shortcoming when it takes 2 mins to go into the preferences and customise your shortcuts keys for your most used task. To be fair, with a program like Photoshop half of the defaults will be no good to you because they are for a range of tools you will never use, Im sure most people decide to change the shortcuts for their most frequently used tools at some point. For instance, who ever needs to quit in a hurry? Control+Q became crop for me. Save for Web that I use all the time is Control+G, replacing group layers that I never use.
I use control+g for save to web too.
Same in Eclipse, all the shortcuts got changed to what I want, including control+q for organize imports.
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My brother uses one mac and a windows lappy, he just sees them as computers.
so do I - have a Dell and a Macbook
I like the mac for general stuff - browsing the web, streaming videos, using photoshop/lightroom - I just prefer the OS tbh... though there isnt a significant difference between them these days (whereas previously macs used to be miles ahead for things like photoshop) it does still seem slightly smoother with osx
I use the dell for work stuff mostly - both job related and personal stuff - using excel on a mac is retarded
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My brother uses one mac and a windows lappy, he just sees them as computers.
so do I - have a Dell and a Macbook
I like the mac for general stuff - browsing the web, streaming videos, using photoshop/lightroom - I just prefer the OS tbh... though there isnt a significant difference between them these days (whereas previously macs used to be miles ahead for things like photoshop) it does still seem slightly smoother with osx
I use the dell for work stuff mostly - both job related and personal stuff - using excel on a mac is retarded
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As above - my eMac is for fun / idle time, my W7 lappy is when I need to get serious. I love OSX and I love W7 - for totally different reasons. If I could only pick one though - W7 all the way because its just so universal and I know it inside out and back to front.
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I started my new job today. Its all Mac based. I finished the project already.
No seriously, theyre not as bad as you think, but there are some f**king annoying things. Like you can only resize a window in the bottom right. Why?
Good question, something I havent thought about in a long time.
Maximise doesnt work properly. Why?
Why cant I double click the title bar to maximise?
Because Macs dont have a maximize button, they have a fit to content button. Frankly, that drove me bonkers when I first switch too, but if you google a little utility called "right zoom" it makes the button act more like the Windows version. If you want super control over window sizes then look for an awesome little tool called Divvy that lets you set regions of the screen and assign the shortcuts to make the window go to that size/position.
Why do commands use the stupid apple key. Whats the point in that? At least put it where the ctrl key is. The apple key is right under your hands and difficult to get to.
Its just different, its the way it has always been. Doesnt take long to learn the different motor reflexes to use it as naturally as you do the ctrl.
That said theres some nice little bits and bobs and it was fun learning one but anyone saying you can be more productive is on crack. You can be equally productive but theres no amazing features that let you magically do things many times faster.
The big one for me is spotlight, Windows search is a joke by comparison. I use it for launching everything (and quick calculations).
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So to sum up after working with the macs this week. Theyre nice and pretty, and the screens we have are fantastic (the 30" ones).
The F9 / F10 thing is very handy.
So while I think a Mac is a viable alternative to windows, Ive seen nothing that can answer my question - why are they so expensive ?
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A new Mercedes with traction control is faster than an Aston but the Aston looks better and cost more I believe.
Really, a good morden nix distro ( tinkered with to ones liking and needs) and a high end puter must be the cheapest alternative in most cases, good filesystem (ext4)
and zippy :D
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So while I think a Mac is a viable alternative to windows, Ive seen nothing that can answer my question - why are they so expensive ?
Because apple can get away with charging those prices.
Mixture of things I guess - part of it is obviously the design/branding in itself. Apple does invest a lot in product design, they spend a lot more money than most simply making sure the product looks and feels good. Some windows based laptop manufacturers will just get a generic looking case and fit the components in - if you just want something that does the job has xyz components then obviously dont go for the mac. Same reason some people may pay more for jeans from diesel and turn their nose up at jeans from primark they either like the design or are suckers for brand names or maybe a bit of both.
A few girls I know who own macs do so because theyre adamant that everyone knows macs are better than PCs so Id say there are a significant number of mac users who have simply fallen for apples marketing and/or macs reputation as a stable platform from the days when windows wasnt always that great has stuck somewhat.
Macs used to have a big edge when it came to anything involving graphics - although this edge is pretty much non-existant these days a lot of people in the supposedly creative industries have been using macs for years and continue to do so.
Theyre not as expensive as everyone makes out really - sure you can get some very cheap windows laptops etc.. but if you were to spec up a similar high spec dell you wouldnt have a huge gap in price. I know plenty of people who own macs - for some people if youre going to spend a grand or so on a laptop then dropping a couple hundred extra to get a mac isnt a big deal. Apple customer service pretty much beats anyone else too. I ordered the wrong display port cable for my mac - my mistake, phoned up expecting to have to RMA it etc.. they just sent me the correct one for free.
Apple does have a bit of a lock on OSX - if you like OSX youre forced (in most cases) to buy a mac - obviously some people will go down the hackintosh route but youre talking about a a very small minority of computer geeks.
Theyre a quality, albeit slightly overpriced, product - Ive got a reasonable amount of disposable income so Im happy to pay a premium ad get a mac for my general home computer type stuff.
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I just cant stand the OS. It works fine for mobile devices like the iPhone and iPad but for a work machine... bleaargh. Its like a Fisher Price toy.
Like Apple. Hate Macs.
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Apple customer service pretty much beats anyone else too. I ordered the wrong display port cable for my mac - my mistake, phoned up expecting to have to RMA it etc.. they just sent me the correct one for free.
It wasnt that long ago, around christmas, that Apple was having a major issues with their 27" Imac displays, from cracked screens to yellow lines and such, and from reading several sites like Gizmodo / CNET / Appleinsider etc etc it seem to be a worldwide issue, and from what i read was not being dealt with in usual Apple Customer Service fashion.
You can do a google search now and find plenty of websites reporting on the matter, and plenty of user comments by hundreds (thousands) of unhappy customers all moaning about how it was being dealt with. I remember now that people were being told different causes for the issues, and Apple stores were not admitting any liability for damaged screens even though 100s reported their Macs arrived without any damage to packaging.
Im not trying to bash them, i just say it how i read it, it went on for weeks and had a lot of coverage.
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I just cant stand the OS. It works fine for mobile devices like the iPhone and iPad but for a work machine... bleaargh. Its like a Fisher Price toy.
You do know iOS and OSX are nothing alike?
Which bit of osx do you think is "Fisher Price" like. Not the finder presumably?
OSX:
(http://images.apple.com/voiceover/info/images/finder_window.jpg)
Windows 7:
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So the windows one is better. Thats twice youve posted up images to support macs, but twice theyve just blatantly make windows look better.
Are you really a windows user ;)
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I was asking how it looked "Fisher Price". The two are practically identical (except for useless chrome effects in the Windows one).
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Tried it for 6 months and didnt like it, it seems they do everything opposite to MS, didnt seem very user friendly to me.
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I was asking how it looked "Fisher Price". The two are practically identical (except for useless chrome effects in the Windows one).
One thing that annoys me is that I have to go to the menu bar to get the location in text (ie, I often want to copy n paste the directory path).
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I was asking how it looked "Fisher Price". The two are practically identical (except for useless chrome effects in the Windows one).
One thing that annoys me is that I have to go to the menu bar to get the location in text (ie, I often want to copy n paste the directory path).
I do ALT+D then Control+C. Probs a ~1s operation...
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A few girls I know who own macs do so because theyre adamant that everyone knows macs are better than PCs so Id say there are a significant number of mac users who have simply fallen for apples marketing and/or macs reputation as a stable platform from the days when windows wasnt always that great has stuck somewhat.
Doing some things, mostly because of the limited hardware you can add, its easier for Essex Girl or guy to operate a MAC than a PC. That has been their traditional advantage. Because Apple supplied the main peripherals you could guarantee the drivers would work too.
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i still cant get flash working in firefox on my up to date ubuntu laptop.Ive always had problems with ubuntu. PITA.
the mac does me well although coming to mac from windows in much the same way as sam, i have exactly the same windows mgmt issues. spaces is an awesome addition though, i wont use windows again til it does that.
bet someone knows an add on for windows that does it now. lol.
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i still cant get flash working in firefox on my up to date ubuntu laptop.Ive always had problems with ubuntu. PITA.
the mac does me well although coming to mac from windows in much the same way as sam, i have exactly the same windows mgmt issues. spaces is an awesome addition though, i wont use windows again til it does that.
bet someone knows an add on for windows that does it now. lol.
Du you have Lucid ? I had some trouble with flash but that was a few distroes back, install Ubuntu Tweak add adobes repository and install Adobe flash also search for Medibuntu and add repository.
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Inception...3x faster
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iSnort (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7nsc9Rv4Mw)
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First major UK supplier onboard.
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This irritates me, not just in macs but in general:
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k Im sure once youve spent 20mins hovering your mouse over stuff it gets second nature but its hardly good design is it? Its not just mac - Office 2007 did it and its really bad design imo. Our helpdesk have to say stuff like click on the thing that looks like 3 lines instead of click on tools then *whatever paragraph option*. This wouldnt be a problem except most users are f**king stupid. The average user can read and click their left mouse button. Thats about it. Abstract concepts are too much for them.
Blackberry do it too:
:gag: Ok, click on the blackberry button
:drool: The what button?
:gag: ...
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Couldnt agree more. I actually didnt know the red/yellow/green things did anything. Im guessing red closes?
Icons are fine when it is obvious what they do, but as you said strange abstract concepts do not make good icons.
I also despise what theyve done to the recent incarnations of Office.
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Couldnt agree more. I actually didnt know the red/yellow/green things did anything. Im guessing red closes?
Icons are fine when it is obvious what they do, but as you said strange abstract concepts do not make good icons.
I also despise what theyve done to the recent incarnations of Office.
Thats a bug that really pisses me off. The Minimise, maximise, close buttons that do nothing at all.
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The average user can read and click their left mouse button. Thats about it. Abstract concepts are too much for them.
users should be trained. the first step to a happy user is showing him how to use the kit your forcing on him.
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The "maximise" button on a mac is retarded. Its "fit to content" not actually maximise, so if your window is small, but the content is smaller, it doesnt do anything.
Yes, very good apple.
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Have three grey dots in me ubuntu but they work as minimize, maximize and close though.
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The "maximise" button on a mac is retarded. Its "fit to content" not actually maximise, so if your window is small, but the content is smaller, it doesnt do anything.
Yes, very good apple.
totally agree on that one.
found a window manager called shift which means i have a keyboard shortcut to make it maximised, which is quicker. nice.
Matt
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The average user can read and click their left mouse button. Thats about it. Abstract concepts are too much for them.
users should be trained. the first step to a happy user is showing him how to use the kit your forcing on him.
agreed, and also showing them why they should care.
If a user has a way of doing something which works for them, they need a very good reason to switch to something new. Some users can be very inventive when coming up with ways to avoid using a new system which they dont see the point of.