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Reply #15 on: May 24, 2007, 16:37:16 PM
WG, that isnt too bad thinking like that. When I went to see a Mortgage Advisor a few months ago, thats what I sortta did, and he gave me a ball park figure to work around.

Im going to go for a 100% mortgage as well in a few months. But I dont know weather to go round all the banks/BS even though the Mortgage advisor is fee free and whole of market......as he is being paid by someone, so IMO think it must be better for me to go round everywhere myself for quotes etc, as then your sortta cutting out the middle man.

BTW, Northern Rock came out best as well for me when I went to see the advisor. Was a 100% Mortgage on £100k. (thats going to buy me a 1 bedroom flat where I live, with no parking :( )

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Reply #16 on: May 24, 2007, 17:07:18 PM
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I just want em to give us the money for a house and say you pay £xxx per month back, sign here.

Asking for too much with that though I guess.  :lol:



Not really, you want a 100% fixed rate mortgage.  Theres millions of them.

If your only buying a house 3 or 4x your income you can walk into just about any bank or building society in the country and get one fixed for 2 years.  Some may of course only lend 95% but most will do 100% if youre only borrowing 3 or 4 times your income.

If you want more than that income multiple then you need to be more specific.  If you told us your income and purchase price then we could probably put you directly in touch with a bank but without that youre only going to get general recommendations :)


If you go into an estate agent theyll usually have a mortgage adviser who is free to use and not linked to any mortgage company/bank - just go in and ask.  If you have a house in mind then speak to the estate agent who is selling the house - theyll be falling over themselves to get you the best mortgage so the house purchase goes through.

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Reply #17 on: May 24, 2007, 17:21:42 PM
When I went to see my Mortgage Broker guy, he said to stay away from estate agents mortgage advisors as they offer crap deals.....BUT, that could just be because he wanted my business.....which is more than likely to be honest.

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Reply #18 on: May 24, 2007, 17:29:07 PM
I wouldnt worry too much about a fixed rate mortgage now - were just about at the top of the cycle. No one thinks mortgages will reach 6% so you have nothing to gain from a 2 year fix.

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Reply #19 on: May 24, 2007, 17:45:01 PM
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When I went to see my Mortgage Broker guy, he said to stay away from estate agents mortgage advisors as they offer crap deals.....BUT, that could just be because he wanted my business.....which is more than likely to be honest.

You have to ask them if theyre all the market and not tied to some banks.  Assuming they pass those two criteria one mortgage broker is as good as the next.



Id agree with Sam - most banks are ditching the fixed rate options because theyre expecting another couple of quarter percent interest rises however youre paying such a premium for fixing the rate anyway it would take a lot of interest rises before variable reached the same as fixed.


If I was in your position and doing a first purchase Id be doing interest only variable and then rearranging my mortgage in a year or so when I was settled.  The money you save by not paying off the capital right away will help you furnish and move into the property which is more useful than you think.  Theres nothing more annoying than getting a house and not being able to get everything you want done because youre having to be extra careful financially.


For a general single house buyer (although not sure they do 100% mortgages in your case) Id probably be looking at ING right now.  Theyre not the cheapest but they have some very attractive things most mortgages do not offer.  You can overpay as much as you like, when you like with no penalty, take payment breaks for as long as you like as long as your account is in credit, link it with your savings account/ISAs, cancel the mortgage at any time with no penalty.  These things are worth more than people realise, especially overpaying on your mortgage without a cap or charges.  Being able to pay off a mortgage or simply overpay each month or when you get a bonus/sell something will substantially reduce the size of the loan - when times are good overpaying is awesome.  Most banks will cap how much you can overpay or charge you for doing it since it greatly reduces the amount you have to pay them in interest.

If its going to be your only home (I come at this more from buy to let so have different criteria) Id pick ING and set the repayment term as long as possible (probably 35 years) and then overpay the amount you can afford.  Doing it this way pays off the bulk loan in the shorter term anyway, means  you are obligated to pay less each month (for the times you dont have much spare cash around) and it lets you create a buffer zone for payments if something happened.  Its better to be obligated to paying £600 a month and choose to pay £1000 than being obligated to £1000.

Best of all - if it doesnt suit you just leave for free whenever you please.  The interest rate is a bit higher with ING than a standard variable rate but itll still be a lot less than a fixed rate.  If interest rates do go too high then you just leave and remortgage with someone else for free anyway.

ING also do some good ISA options so if youve not started thinking about that you could get it all in one roof (excuse the pun)

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Reply #20 on: May 24, 2007, 18:24:34 PM
I see what your saying about variable over fixed....but as a first time buyer, I would rather know exactly what money etc I will be paying out. As it will be a bit of a stuggle etc to start with, id rather 100% be able to budget exactly what things are going to cost etc.

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Reply #21 on: May 24, 2007, 18:32:23 PM
Youre only going to get a fix for 2 or 5 years at any decent rate, and interest rate will not go above 6% in 2, and unlikely in 5.

The way I think of a house is this - you can always sell it if you cant afford it anymore - its not going down in value (in general).

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Reply #22 on: May 24, 2007, 19:14:37 PM
Also, if you buy a house in a decent area youre pretty much guaranteed a steady rate of increase with the value of your property doubling every 6-8 years depending on how intense the market is at that particular time.

Dont believe me? Check property price stats looking back 20-30 years for any areas considered to be quite nice and youll notice that regardless of recession their value increases quite steadily.

Might mean buying something slightly smaller but itll be worth it in the long run... of course this only really applies if youre looking to make money / move up the ladder fast.

I bought my place summer of 2004 and Ive just chucked it back on the market just shy of 3 years later at 155% of its original value, and theres plenty of interest already.


I also agree with Sam, dont worry about fixed mortgages to much, its a bit late for that.

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Reply #23 on: May 24, 2007, 19:17:11 PM
where are you based kunal ?

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Reply #24 on: May 24, 2007, 19:22:24 PM
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where are you based kunal ?



West Hampstead in London. I bit the bullet and got a pretty hefty mortgage initially (hurt the pocket quite a bit the first year!) but its definitely paid off.

My main criteria in terms of ROI for a property in London was looking at areas with the best transport links, these are the real cash cows in the long run. W Hampstead has two overground lines and two underground lines, easy access to all the neighbouring areas by bus, not to mention great road access for A1, A5, north circular road, A40 and general proximity to city. On top of all this it is a genuinely nice area.


Clapham is also good for transport, so its become another hub for people looking to buy to rent.




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Reply #25 on: May 24, 2007, 19:26:37 PM
So where are you moving to ?

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Reply #26 on: May 24, 2007, 19:35:13 PM
Well thats the thing... if I moved away from this area (either still in London, or even more so outside) I could get a place thats at least 60% paid up.... but Ive fallen in love with this area, so Im sticking around here, probably going to end up with a slightly bigger mortgage than before, but I plan to stay in that place for at least the next 5-6 years, so Im sure Ill see the benefits from it when I decide to move out the city at that point.

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Reply #27 on: May 24, 2007, 20:38:56 PM
So really you guys wouldnt even think about a fixed mortgage?? I only was for the added security..........as surely there is a chance....all be it small, but the interest rate could sore couldnt it.

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Reply #28 on: May 24, 2007, 20:44:17 PM
its a housing bubble at the moment, which cannot go on forever. There hasnt been an economic bubble in history which hasnt burst in a spectacular fashion. Yet I hear endless panglossian drivel about how house prices will keep rising in value endlessly. Think VERY carefully about signing up for any deal with is going to put you in 6 figure debt. a 100% mortgage (and banks are rapidly withdrawing these deals, another ominous sign), gives you absolutely no leeway against negative equity.

buying a house to live in, is a spectacularly good idea.

buying one with the expectation its an investment is a very dangerous game to play.

I hope all those people singing the northern rocks praises checked the small print. £1999 arrangement fee added to the loan is the norm for this bank. However, they do pay the highest commision rates in the business to brokers, so no surprise to see them recommended so often.


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Reply #29 on: May 24, 2007, 20:45:41 PM
fixed interest rates are very good in one way, you know what your outgoing is going to be for X years, and that can be very useful. Be wary about fixing for short periods though, as the fees involved with switching deals when the fixed rate expires can rapidly outweigh the benefits of fixing on 2 years deals.


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