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Title: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: TheMallrat on June 20, 2011, 21:11:43 PM
Ryan Dunn, of Jackass fame, died today in a car crash

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/13848736
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on June 20, 2011, 21:21:40 PM
Quite strange really that with all the stunts they did it was a regular RTA that got the better of him.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Binary Shadow on June 20, 2011, 21:23:00 PM
Regular RTA?? seriously! it was a high speed fireball with a porsche badge.. not the way most go out id say.

If you dice with death long enough it'll get you I'd say
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: addictweb on June 20, 2011, 21:50:34 PM
Funny guy, real shame.

RIP
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Smugs on June 20, 2011, 22:27:37 PM
One of the more likeable members of Jackass
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on June 20, 2011, 22:59:59 PM
Regular RTA?? seriously! it was a high speed fireball with a porsche badge.. not the way most go out id say.

If you dice with death long enough it'll get you I'd say

Regular is very respective in this case! There's plenty of high speed road deaths all the time you just wouldn't normally hear about them though. The fireball is very odd, but then it isn't exactly a Fiat Punto they were tearing up the road in either.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Bacon on June 21, 2011, 00:13:21 AM
R.I.P Dunn! This is shocking news.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: neXus on June 21, 2011, 03:02:06 AM
Was a real shocker!
R.I.P dude!
Still though...

This is a picture he put up twitter HOURS before his death:
(http://i.imgur.com/E3iIS.jpg)
He was apparently drinking Corona and smoking a stogie.

Another person died with him in the car, no news on if it was one of the guys in the photo or another celebrity.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: soopahfly on June 21, 2011, 08:44:55 AM
RIP.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Dave on June 21, 2011, 09:47:56 AM
What a complete Muppet tbh...

Some guy goes to a bar and drinks a few pints and shots, then when under the influence of alcohol, drives a supercar (which he obviously couldn't control) along a public road at 100mph without a second thought for other road users and ends up killing himself and his passenger. Now people are saying RIP because he previously appeared in some funny videos doing pranks/stunts etc...

I guess I'm probably in a minority here but I'm not really one for feeling much sympathy for a douche bag just because they happened to be famous/popular/a celebrity.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Quixoticish on June 21, 2011, 09:54:26 AM
What a complete Muppet tbh...

Some guy goes to a bar and drinks a few pints and shots, then when under the influence of alcohol, drives a supercar (which he obviously couldn't control) along a public road at 100mph without a second thought for other road users and ends up killing himself and his passenger. Now people are saying RIP because he previously appeared in some funny videos doing pranks/stunts etc...

I guess I'm probably in a minority here but I'm not really one for feeling much sympathy for a douche bag just because they happened to be famous/popular/a celebrity.

I couldn't agree more Dave. The only tragedy is that through his own knob-headedness he's caused a great deal of trauma and upset for friends and family.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: neXus on June 21, 2011, 10:20:29 AM
What a complete Muppet tbh...

Some guy goes to a bar and drinks a few pints and shots, then when under the influence of alcohol, drives a supercar (which he obviously couldn't control) along a public road at 100mph without a second thought for other road users and ends up killing himself and his passenger. Now people are saying RIP because he previously appeared in some funny videos doing pranks/stunts etc...

I guess I'm probably in a minority here but I'm not really one for feeling much sympathy for a douche bag just because they happened to be famous/popular/a celebrity.

Your totally right Dave. BUT> at the end of the day, two people died which is always a sad thing.
But yeah, total dick for driving a supercar while under drinks and drugs.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on June 21, 2011, 11:45:16 AM
That's all just speculation at the moment though, there's been no confirmation of him drink driving or driving under the influence of drugs.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Quixoticish on June 21, 2011, 11:52:37 AM
That's all just speculation at the moment though, there's been no confirmation of him drink driving or driving under the influence of drugs.

He was almost certainly speeding to the nth degree though.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on June 21, 2011, 11:59:45 AM
Perhaps, that's still unconfirmed though and we don't really know the cause yet. Cars don't just spontaneously combust without some sort of problem, it would have to be a pretty horrendous crash otherwise. All I'm saying is I'd rather give him the benefit of the doubt until the real statements are in rather than write him off as a knobber just because he was on Jackass.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: soopahfly on June 21, 2011, 12:00:03 PM
And you never speed?
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Quixoticish on June 21, 2011, 12:05:48 PM
And you never speed?

It tickles me when people are so incredulous that you can actually get from A to B without speeding.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: knighty on June 21, 2011, 12:11:24 PM
it depends on how much speed you're talking about tho....

anyone who never speeds, ever, even a little bit... is a bad driver imo because they spend too much time looking at the speedo and not enough time looking at the road

the only time I pay attention to the speedo is when there's a cop car around or a speed camera

you don't need to look at a speedo to know if you're going too fast... you look at the road for that
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: soopahfly on June 21, 2011, 12:14:06 PM
And you never speed?

It tickles me when people are so incredulous that you can actually get from A to B without speeding.

Was I saying it was impossible?  I don't believe that you've never done it.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: soopahfly on June 21, 2011, 12:14:32 PM
it depends on how much speed you're talking about tho....

anyone who never speeds, ever, even a little bit... is a bad driver imo because they spend too much time looking at the speedo and not enough time looking at the road

the only time I pay attention to the speedo is when there's a cop car around or a speed camera

you don't need to look at a speedo to know if you're going too fast... you look at the road for that

This.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Quixoticish on June 21, 2011, 12:15:29 PM
And you never speed?

It tickles me when people are so incredulous that you can actually get from A to B without speeding.

Was I saying it was impossible?  I don't believe that you've never done it.

I've never done it.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on June 21, 2011, 12:17:09 PM
I don't really think speed matters here unless he was going an insane speed for the road. If he was doing 70mph in one of the stupid US 50 zones then its hardly endangering lives is it.

TBH I'm not the sort of person to pretend to be goody two shoes, if I had that sort of car you'd never see me on the motorway doing < 80mph... but doing that sort of speed is not dangerous if conditions allow for it.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Leon on June 21, 2011, 12:36:03 PM
Sad for the loss of life, not sad thats he's gone.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: soopahfly on June 21, 2011, 13:11:08 PM
And you never speed?

It tickles me when people are so incredulous that you can actually get from A to B without speeding.

Was I saying it was impossible?  I don't believe that you've never done it.

I've never done it.

Utter bollocks.
You're either a liar or delusional.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Quixoticish on June 21, 2011, 13:28:16 PM
And you never speed?

It tickles me when people are so incredulous that you can actually get from A to B without speeding.

Was I saying it was impossible?  I don't believe that you've never done it.

I've never done it.

Utter bollocks.
You're either a liar or delusional.

Actually I don't have a driving license.  ;)
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: matt5cott on June 21, 2011, 13:31:50 PM
I hope most people here stick to the limit in 30 and 40 zones in built up areas, but perhaps not so much on national speed limit roads :wave:

If a copper asks 'I was doing a speed appropriate for the conditions ;D' he'll still probs chuck points at you mind :lol:

Ryan Dunn wise, it's quite damning that twitter photo though I don't care either way tbh, he's dead and already been cremated.

Always remember, nobody gave a sh*t when people close to you or me died.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: neXus on June 21, 2011, 13:32:43 PM
Perhaps, that's still unconfirmed though and we don't really know the cause yet. Cars don't just spontaneously combust without some sort of problem, it would have to be a pretty horrendous crash otherwise. All I'm saying is I'd rather give him the benefit of the doubt until the real statements are in rather than write him off as a knobber just because he was on Jackass.

Got to wait for the facts, but for car to be in that mess it would have been doing some speed, and what he was doing prior to the crash as more people who were there talk seems pretty clear he was drinking and possible more. While no official word on if he was drunk or not, it will all add up to the cause.
From watching crash inspector programs and things like CSI they are good to highlight that it is never one thing.
Drink, drugs, speed, maybe worn tires.... There will be several factors as the true cause.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: soopahfly on June 21, 2011, 13:38:24 PM
And you never speed?

It tickles me when people are so incredulous that you can actually get from A to B without speeding.

Was I saying it was impossible?  I don't believe that you've never done it.

I've never done it.

Utter bollocks.
You're either a liar or delusional.

Actually I don't have a driving license.  ;)

Lol.  Fair enough :D
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on June 21, 2011, 14:11:35 PM
I hope most people here stick to the limit in 30 and 40 zones in built up areas, but perhaps not so much on national speed limit roads :wave:

If a copper asks 'I was doing a speed appropriate for the conditions ;D' he'll still probs chuck points at you mind :lol:

Ryan Dunn wise, it's quite damning that twitter photo though I don't care either way tbh, he's dead and already been cremated.

Always remember, nobody gave a sh*t when people close to you or me died.

Wise words!

I've been stopped doing over the ton on an overtake and I was very thankfully let off by Mr plod because it was obvious that I was wisely paying more attention to the road than my speedo. Not that I'm advocating anyone drive over 100mph of course! I won't risk it these days, I wouldn't get let off again for sure.

As for Ryan Dunn, I don't really care either way either, I just dislike seeing threads turn Daily Mail with unsubstantiated claims.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Bacon on June 21, 2011, 14:26:55 PM
What a complete Muppet tbh...

Some guy goes to a bar and drinks a few pints and shots, then when under the influence of alcohol, drives a supercar (which he obviously couldn't control) along a public road at 100mph without a second thought for other road users and ends up killing himself and his passenger. Now people are saying RIP because he previously appeared in some funny videos doing pranks/stunts etc...

I guess I'm probably in a minority here but I'm not really one for feeling much sympathy for a douche bag just because they happened to be famous/popular/a celebrity.

I couldn't agree more Dave. The only tragedy is that through his own knob-headedness he's caused a great deal of trauma and upset for friends and family.

Speeding etc

Jeremy Clarkson
Anne Robinson
Bob Geldof
Teddy Sheringham
Kevin Pietersen
Chris Tarrant
David Coulthard
Jimmy Carr
Stephen Fry
Andy Cole
Steve McFadden
Colin Montgomerie
Ronnie O'Sullivan
Tiff Needell
Matthew Vaughn

Need i go on?
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Dave on June 21, 2011, 18:58:34 PM
Perhaps, that's still unconfirmed though and we don't really know the cause yet. Cars don't just spontaneously combust without some sort of problem, it would have to be a pretty horrendous crash otherwise. All I'm saying is I'd rather give him the benefit of the doubt until the real statements are in rather than write him off as a knobber just because he was on Jackass.

Give him the benefit of the doubt? Its not like he's a poster on here or any of his buddies/members of his immediate family... frankly I'll call it how I see it and at the moment it doesn't look too great.

Reports so far - pictures of him out drinking uploaded onto twitter hours before crash occurred, police estimating the car was traveling about 100mph at the time of the crash...

Call me old fashioned but I really don't think this was a completely innocent mechanical fault that was totally not his fault and that we shouldn't be criticising as a result.

Sure lots of people speed from time to time - Going up to say 80-ish on a motorway, when sober, when a large portion of the rest of the traffic is doing that speed is one thing.

Doing 100mph or so, after apparently going out drinking, that is just reckless and its a good thing that no other road users were involved.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Beanissocoollike on June 21, 2011, 20:56:09 PM
The way I see it is that it's obviously sad in the case that two men have died. Whether it was their own stupidity or not, it's still sad.

Would you be criticising him the same way had he committed suicide? No. Okay, so I know it's not completely the same, but it was something he inflicted upon himself- he chose to drink, he chose to (allegedly) take drugs, and he chose to get in that car and drive, the same way someone chooses to take their own life. It might not be viewed as the most sensible idea to everyone else, but at that moment in time it is to them.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Quixoticish on June 21, 2011, 21:27:49 PM
The way I see it is that it's obviously sad in the case that two men have died. Whether it was their own stupidity or not, it's still sad.

Would you be criticising him the same way had he committed suicide? No. Okay, so I know it's not completely the same, but it was something he inflicted upon himself- he chose to drink, he chose to (allegedly) take drugs, and he chose to get in that car and drive, the same way someone chooses to take their own life. It might not be viewed as the most sensible idea to everyone else, but at that moment in time it is to them.

It's not even remotely the same. In suicide death is deliberate. In the case of Ryan Dunn death was certainly an accident, and perhaps a stupid, brainless one that could have been avoided.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on June 21, 2011, 21:37:55 PM
Suicide is far more selfish, stupid and brainless than this, which is a drunken accident at best. People forget how common place drink driving is in the US, this was probably par for the course except for the speed they were travelling at. If he was that drunk his 'buddies' should have been looking out for him and stopped him from getting behind the wheel. If you're that drunk is is very easy to become reckless like this. I do find it funny that the most vocal on the subject are those that don't actually drive (I'm pretty sure I don't remember you ever driving Dave, military vehicles don't count).
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Dave on June 21, 2011, 22:33:54 PM
Not often no - I live in London. Don't see how its particularly relevant tbh... I also think Diana should have worn a seat belt - the one person who survived that crash was wearing one - though his injuries likely weren't helped by the two selfish idiots in the back who's bodies crashed forwards into the front seats.

I'd presume Ryan Dunn likely wasn't wasted or acting overly drunk - few beers and shots according to the reports and so quite feasibly believed he was fine. This is exactly why, if tests come back showing he was over the limit, he should be quite openly criticized for it - he was either reckless or is a reflection of the general ignorance of the US population as to the dangers of drink driving. He wasn't some teenager but an adult who should have known better. Limits aren't set by boring officials in order spoil people's nights out and painting this as just an unfortunate incident isn't productive.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Smugs on June 21, 2011, 22:40:42 PM

I've been stopped doing over the ton on an overtake and I was very thankfully let off by Mr plod because it was obvious that I was wisely paying more attention to the road than my speedo. Not that I'm advocating anyone drive over 100mph of course! I won't risk it these days, I wouldn't get let off again for sure.

What did you have to do to get let off doing 30mph over the limit? Wait! Actually don’t answer that. :P
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on June 22, 2011, 00:13:11 AM
That's fair enough Dave, I don't think anyone is going to argue that drink driving is acceptable or not irresponsible.

Smugs, all I did was talk like a sensible, rational person that doesn't make out he watches the speedo! If you show some respect, remorse and apologise without acting like a tool they are more inclined to be lenient with you, I did add that at the same time I was sorry for going too fast, realised it was a bit silly even though I was overtaking, etc. (Actually I seem to remember telling him I didn't think the car would go that fast ;D :lol: )
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Quixoticish on June 22, 2011, 08:05:16 AM
Suicide is far more selfish, stupid and brainless than this, which is a drunken accident at best. People forget how common place drink driving is in the US, this was probably par for the course except for the speed they were travelling at. If he was that drunk his 'buddies' should have been looking out for him and stopped him from getting behind the wheel. If you're that drunk is is very easy to become reckless like this. I do find it funny that the most vocal on the subject are those that don't actually drive (I'm pretty sure I don't remember you ever driving Dave, military vehicles don't count).

Sorry matey, but your comments on suicide?  :dis:

It's all getting a bit silly now so I'm stepping out of this debate.
 
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: soopahfly on June 22, 2011, 08:33:42 AM
though his injuries likely weren't helped by the two selfish idiots in the back who's bodies crashed forwards into the front seats.



There's no seats in the back of a 911 GT3 RS.  Just a rollcage.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on June 22, 2011, 08:35:48 AM
I know people that have committed suicide (including a relative) and those that have tried - whether 'crying for help' or not - that's my view whether you think it right or wrong from my own experience, I'm not being silly and I'm categorically not talking about people that want to be euthanised either.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: TheMallrat on June 22, 2011, 14:06:09 PM
Apparently going 130mph when he lost control and it hit a tree

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/22062011/35/ryan-dunn-died-blunt-force-trauma-0.html
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Leon on June 22, 2011, 14:22:28 PM
Gotta be careful of those trees, they will just jump out in front of you if your not paying attention
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Smugs on June 22, 2011, 18:55:59 PM
So he was three parts pissed doing ton 30 in a car he obviously couldn’t handle when he crashed? Forgive me if my heart doesn’t bleed with sorrow, it’s the passenger I have more sympathy for.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on June 23, 2011, 00:28:48 AM
130mph on those sort of roads would be pretty mental when sober, let alone after a few. The only good thing to come out of this would be for there to be better education and clamping down on drink driving stateside!
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: soopahfly on June 23, 2011, 08:31:26 AM
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/06/20/0620-ryan-twitpic-asset.jpg)

Doesn't show him drinking.  Shows him wondering who the f*ck put fruit in his beer.

I'm with him.  What kind of person puts fruit in beer.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: neXus on June 23, 2011, 09:10:02 AM
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/06/20/0620-ryan-twitpic-asset.jpg)

Doesn't show him drinking.  Shows him wondering who the f*ck put fruit in his beer.

I'm with him.  What kind of person puts fruit in beer.
As mentioned when I posted the image:
(http://i.imgur.com/qoW3s.jpg)


Sorry his gone but when you do stupid things like that it is only asking for something bad to happen.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: soopahfly on June 23, 2011, 11:55:09 AM
Do you know why they do that?

Is it for flavour?  No.

It's to stop flies and clean the neck.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: knighty on June 23, 2011, 12:41:30 PM
they do it everywhere in America.... bits of orange on the edge of your glass.... with a pint of larger ?


but... tbh... I love a bit of lime with corona or desperadoes.... I push it down just a little bit so it's jammed in the neck so you can really taste it :-)
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Bacon on June 23, 2011, 13:48:04 PM
they do it everywhere in America.... bits of orange on the edge of your glass.... with a pint of larger ?


but... tbh... I love a bit of lime with corona or desperadoes.... I push it down just a little bit so it's jammed in the neck so you can really taste it :-)

I push it down all the way so its a floater :D
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: neXus on June 23, 2011, 13:50:29 PM
Do you know why they do that?

Is it for flavour?  No.

It's to stop flies and clean the neck.

Bad image really.
You push it in your drink, get one of those at the bar - they will put it in the glass (can not say pint as you do not get pints here in most bars etc) and if you have the bottle it will be in.
By  Case of that it will often come with lemons (most common to put in) or lime (most prefer lemons though)
Part and parcel of that beer, it is not for decoration

So is it for flavour? Actually YES!

Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: soopahfly on June 23, 2011, 18:26:43 PM
Not for flavour.  To disguise the fact that it's skunked due to the clear bottle.
Title: Re: R.I.P. Ryan Dunn
Post by: Dave on June 26, 2011, 02:31:42 AM
AFAIK it is not for flies the reason the lime is/was stuck in the beer in mexico is to mask the aroma of the beer spoiling.

Brown bottles help protect beer from sunlight, Mexicans are poor and clear glass is cheaper.

Incidentally we have a lot of beers sold in green bottles as brown glass was in shorter supply post WW2 lots of premium European beers were then sold in green glass (offers some protection but not as much as brown), green glass then got associated with being a premium brand and so presumably some brands just carried on with green.