tbh.. smokers should just grow up a bit & realise how pointless smoking is.

smoking, in general, doesnt relax you - it simply relaxes your craving for a fag because you are an addict

fair enough if people are trying to give up but militant smokers who complain about thier rights to smoke are just plain stupid - it shouldnt be allowed in public places at all. If anything smokers should be gratefull for the ban instead of moaning.

Moan? Addict? Some of us can take it or leave it.

I like a couple ciggies per day. Nicotine is relaxing for many folks, thats an undisputed medical fact. Sometimes I go days without smoking. Some of us arent addicts.

You commentary is as pointless as me calling you a raging alcoholic for having a brewski on the weekends. Should we ban it as well? It causes all sorts of problems, violence and cancer.

this is black
this is white
youre apparantly unaware of this shade

Non-smokers, get over it. Youve got your inside space, youve got smoking banned near entrys to buildings (over here at least), but now you want the beer gardens smoke free?

Calabasas, California?

The people of Calabasas can no longer light up in the street, in parks, bus stops, by office entrances or even on their own balcony if it overlooks communal areas such as swimming pools.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/03/18/wsmoke18.xml

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Moan? Addict? Some of us can take it or leave it.

I like a couple ciggies per day. Nicotine is relaxing for many folks,

see thats the problem with addictions - in order to overcome them you need to first admit that you are an addict - some people seem to find this hard to do

Watch it.

Do I smoke first thing in the morning? No
Do I smoke more than 5 cigs per day on average? Never.
Do I often go days without smoking, with no withdrawal symptoms? Yes.

You dont know what addiction means, do go look it up before you make another misfortunate post in this thread.

I know that youre socially conservative from past threads, and usually to me this indicates wanting to follow your gut instead of facts and reality. Its similar to your previous posts about homosexuals that have little to do with fact, but much to do with bogus bias. The problem with social conservatives is that they want to legislate their bigotry, be it against gays or smokers.

Keep it out of the workplace and out of schools, and beyond that, let the public decide with their feet.

I hate laws limiting any kind of personal freedom, be it gun ownership or smoking or painting your house tartan.

If you dont like smoking, start a non-smoking pub or have your friends over, dont legislate your preferences into law, thats just child-like. But of course, most of Europe and Scandinavia is childish, with too many over-reaching laws that infringe on personal freedom. Liberal democracies can be amazingly short sighted and socially conservative/myopic in the name of hysteria.

Is it your right to pollute my air with poisonous smoke or my right to clean air? :/

Nanny state response, tbh.

You have the right NOT to step into the pub.

I guess living in the UK has turned your lot into whiney little pansies.

Guess what? There are children starving in Darfur, and youre whinging on about catching a whiff of smoke on a patio?

Grow up.

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Is it your right to pollute my air with poisonous smoke or my right to clean air? :/

Nanny state response, tbh.

You have the right NOT to step into the pub.

I guess living in the UK has turned your lot into whiney little pansies.

Guess what? There are children starving in Darfur, and youre whinging on about catching a whiff of smoke on a patio?

Grow up.

No its an honest response unlike yours that comes across as pot painting the kettle black.

You say we have no right to outlaw smoking in pubs, yet your solution is to remove the non-smokers from the pub, the majority of the customers, the majority of the population.

Children starving in darfur.. lovely, but arent you whinging about being victimised and chastised from modern society.

Also while this comes across as selfish its also true. Children starving in darfur doesnt affect me personally. 20+ people smoking in a pub whilst im having a friendly pint with a mate does.

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Yeah but if I want a quiet drink with friends I have an equal right to do so without a smoker putting their stuff into my lungs.

No you dont. You have the choice of not going to the pub. This "right to smoke free pubs" concept is juvenile. Its like being offended that a film is interupting your conversation even though you entered the movie theater of free will.

Only in your conservative self-centred, selfish, way of thinking. Anyway I suspect you have already lost this issue as they are unlikely to go back on the decision now.

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Is it your right to pollute my air with poisonous smoke or my right to clean air? :/

Nanny state response, tbh.

You have the right NOT to step into the pub.

I guess living in the UK has turned your lot into whiney little pansies.

Guess what? There are children starving in Darfur, and youre whinging on about catching a whiff of smoke on a patio?

Grow up.

No its an honest response unlike yours that comes across as pot painting the kettle black.

You say we have no right to outlaw smoking in pubs, yet your solution is to remove the non-smokers from the pub, the majority of the customers, the majority of the population.

Children starving in darfur.. lovely, but arent you whinging about being victimised and chastised from modern society.

Also while this comes across as selfish its also true. Children starving in darfur doesnt affect me personally. 20+ people smoking in a pub whilst im having a friendly pint with a mate does.

You were going on about smoking in a beer garden and catching a whiff, it is to this Im responding.

My solution is not to remove the smokers from the pub, please reread my commentary as youre bringing an imaginary side to the argument which never existed--my solution is for the market to decide. Certainly government can pass mild laws requiring separate sections, but beyond that--let the market decide.

A restauranteur in my neighborhood owns a hip sport themed pub and grill. Its a bar so he allows smoking anywhere. Dont like smoke? Go elsewhere.

He also owns a seafood restaurant with a bar. Those patrons are overwhelmingly health concious, so its a non smoking establishment.

The market decided and everybodys served.

Justice can be more naturally acheived with humans listening and responding to each other than draconian law making.