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Title: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: zpyder on May 21, 2012, 13:00:34 PM
I don't know whether when talk of shares has come up before, I mentioned my dabbling back at college.

Back in 2004 or so I had £300 of birthday money I decided to invest. I saw a company called As Seen on Screen, and thought it was a movie memorabilia company. They were like 4p a share so I opted to get a load of them, thinking they were so low it could only go up.

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=ASC.L#symbol=asc.l;range=my;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;

6 months later I sold them for £600. I kept £300 and reinvested the other £300, which didn't do too well.

Every now and again I check to see how ASOS are doing. if I'd have kept the shares for another 6-12 months I'd have made a few thousand pounds from my £300 investment.

I just checked again, and unless my maths is wonky, I'd have made £112500 from that £300.

Ouch :(
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Pete on May 21, 2012, 13:02:46 PM
Blimey. Never look back.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on May 21, 2012, 13:53:37 PM
ASOS did indeed go from strength to strength and are huge now but you still doubled your money back in 2004, and would you have kept the shares for 8 years?

All if buts and maybes, as per above, don't look back, easier said than done I know!
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: zpyder on May 21, 2012, 13:56:51 PM
Indeed.  I just find it so annoying as it was even a mistake, I didn't research them at all before buying, whilst the ones I did research never made anything, and lost money instead!

It's making me want to dabble again. I know some people here do, I'm curious what brokers you use? I used to use ComDirect, which became SquareTrade or something. When I started it was free but £12.50 per transaction, and I closed my account when they wanted to make an account subscription.

Ideally I'm looking for a nice online interface with cheap fees as I'll only be working with small amounts of money.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Binary Shadow on May 21, 2012, 14:45:19 PM
Ouch

I used to mess about with a barclays stock brokers account, was expensive, monthly fees and transaction fees.

I still have 86 suspended northen rock shares from my efforts.. lol
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: zpyder on May 21, 2012, 15:07:51 PM
http://www.moneysupermarket.com/shares/

Useful :)

Looks like there are some companies that it's £5-10 a trade, one seems too good to be true at £6 a trade, will have to research it tonight!
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on May 21, 2012, 16:22:59 PM
That's a real wounder, but hindsight and all that... you know there's no such thing as a sure thing in stocks, it couldn't have gone either way.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eagle on May 21, 2012, 18:00:18 PM
This'll make you feel better:

Ron Wayne sold back his 10% of Apple after 12 days with the company, recouping $800. Those shares are now worth an estimated $35 billion

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/10/ron_wayne_apple.php

 :gag:
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on May 22, 2012, 09:18:52 AM
I'm sure there have been several threads on shares on tek before, but they always stumbled with where was the best place to buy online, so zypder I amongst others I'm sure are interested to hear your findings if indeed you had any luck :D
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: zpyder on May 22, 2012, 09:32:37 AM
I tried registering last night with Traders Own. First registration failed and the error message was a white screen with a line of text. I re-registered but for a basic trading account (as opposed to a shares and savings isa trading account) and that worked.

However after a quick look around their website it looked just how it has been described by some review sites, a trading platform for the twitter/facebook generation. It's all centred around social networking. In a way this could work with people sharings tips and the likes, but I just felt that it was open to a lot of abuse potentially for false information etc.

The site was more confusing than needed for trying to find latest stock info too.

Plus the security was laughable, email+ 6 digit numeric pin, so it wouldn't take much for someone to get to your account through number crunching.

On the plus side it's £6 a trade, so 2nd cheapest out there.

I opted for Halifax which is £11.95 a trade but no account fees. Reasons being security, the fact it's actually a bank, and once I'd registered , the information presented is quite powerful. When I had SelfTrade either the options were very basic, or stock dealing has come a long way.

I ended up spending several hours last night looking at stocks. Lots of options, heat maps to show growth/shrink industries, and a filter that frankly has way too many options for me, I just wanted to see the cheapest stocks out there.

I ended up buying 14400 shares in expansys this morning. They're only a ~2p at the moment, I doubt they'll go up by much but if they bump to 2.5p I'll net £50 or something. I'm not entirely convinced it'll work out but worth a punt. I was hoping to find something that would be likely to profit from the olympics this year. Dixons shares are "cheap" and I pondered whether they'd make money on HD TV sales etc. Expansys has recently broken into the Asian markets according to news sources, so who knows.

One thing I don't like is that the halifax site lists stockbroker tips (EG, buy, sell, neutral etc). But when you actually look at these in detail some tips are dated back to 2009/2010 so way out of date. Others are more recent, but still, very dodgy to follow.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on May 22, 2012, 20:15:28 PM
take a look at cyan
potentially could go through the roof (was trading 50p+ 3years ago)
they develop smart metering - my cousin writes the source code.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: M3ta7h3ad on May 22, 2012, 21:09:09 PM
I currently hold just over 5k shares in Logica.

Bought at 54p each, the current guide price by brokers is sitting at 100p.

Sitting at around 68p now. A month or so ago it was at 130+p

Fingers crossed it climbs again and I'm actually around to cash in when it happens.

Sent from my GT-I9000 using Tapatalk 2
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: zpyder on May 22, 2012, 22:20:39 PM
take a look at cyan
potentially could go through the roof (was trading 50p+ 3years ago)
they develop smart metering - my cousin writes the source code.

I very nearly bought into them this morning. Regretting not now, as they've kept on climbing today whilst expansys dropped a tad ><
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: zpyder on May 23, 2012, 08:20:15 AM
I ended up selling my Expansys shares and buying into Cyan. I pretty much instantly regretted my expansys shares. So now basically from my £300 I'm down £50 due to 3x £11.95 fees and a slight drop in expansys. To recoup my money and make £10 Cyan just needs to climb .25p, which if it doesn't drop in the next few days, should be possible...
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on May 23, 2012, 08:24:27 AM
take a look at cyan
potentially could go through the roof (was trading 50p+ 3years ago)
they develop smart metering - my cousin writes the source code.

I very nearly bought into them this morning. Regretting not now, as they've kept on climbing today whilst expansys dropped a tad ><

well they are about to break the chinese market - all their street lights are going to smart metering. If they get selected, they are going to sky rocket.
Also got irons in India & Brazil
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on May 23, 2012, 09:54:10 AM
I went for a Cyan / Densitron Technologies 50/50 split, expect both share prices to plummet now  :lol:
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: zpyder on May 23, 2012, 12:42:41 PM
Cyan going down today, expansys going up haha
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on May 23, 2012, 16:47:09 PM
you need to sit with Cyan. They have just had a $1m order as a sample run to an indian company... if it all goes well, then it could lead to orders for 20million chips.
If it makes you feel better - my first batch I bought a while ago cost 11p a share! My relative who works for them paid 50p a share for his first purchases & he stills buys them today. The product does what it supposed to do. Its just getting the orders.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Serious on May 23, 2012, 22:21:49 PM
It seems new shareholders in Facebook were not happy about the withholding of information pertinent to the company's floatation. Seems Morgan Stanley didn't disclose the fact that its information didn't include a report stating that income could be quite a bit short of the $5 billion figure put out.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18180861
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Dave on May 27, 2012, 01:28:23 AM
be careful if you've only got a few hundred £ to invest and are paying £10 to trade... costs will add up... wouldn't try anything short term.

remember with this stuff - you can't predict the future... there are plenty of people out there who believe they can look at charts, draw lines etc.. and do exactly that -in reality, if they could, they'd be among the richest people in the world.

people tend to make money either by actively trading - by finding very short term miss-pricings and exploiting them or by investing - building a portfolio of stocks that look like they will perform relatively better than similar stocks over in the long term...

lots of 'professional' fund managers struggle to beat a related benchmark index such as the FTSE100 or S&P500 etc...
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on May 27, 2012, 09:36:13 AM
expect an announcement next week from cyan
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on May 28, 2012, 13:20:53 PM
Open day announed 7th june - id expect anannouncement either just before or just after
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on May 28, 2012, 13:21:54 PM
They have just put a new RSS feed/blog/ticker on their site today too, they must have something to say indeed :worried:
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: zpyder on May 28, 2012, 14:03:49 PM
be careful if you've only got a few hundred £ to invest and are paying £10 to trade... costs will add up... wouldn't try anything short term.

Indeed, but it's still possible if you get lucky :)

Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on May 29, 2012, 10:31:48 AM
Now also holding SER, am hoping for a bit of a drop on Cyan then will buy some more.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Rhino on May 29, 2012, 22:22:24 PM
Ouch Indeed  :(
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on May 30, 2012, 10:08:55 AM
Halifax trades are £3.95 on Friday between 12-2PM

Which is when I will be topping up on Cyan, I've read enough about the product to be convinced that if the TNEB news comes back as remotely positive next week (remember it's an extended bank hol) it's a good position to be in.

edit - some large buys today, might gamble and put an order in just before the bell :worried:
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on May 31, 2012, 12:26:06 PM
DJ Cyan Holdings Plc Update on TNEB Tender TIDMCYAN RNS Number : 4724E Cyan Holdings Plc 31 May 2012 Cyan Holdings Plc ("Cyan" or "the Company") Update on TNEB Tender TNEB formally authorises Cyan customer to start pilot installation Cyan Holdings plc (AIM: CYAN.L), the integrated system design company delivering wireless solutions for lighting control and utility metering, today gives an update regarding the Tamil Nadu Electricity Board (TNEB) tender. Following the submission of proposals for the tender by 16 companies, one of Cyan's metering partners in India has now received a formal letter from TNEB inviting them to install a 500 unit pilot in Tamil Nadu state. Cyan believes this is the first company to receive such a letter. The letter requests that the pilot begin as soon as possible. The Cyan partner in question is the principal supplier of electricity meters to TNEB and is ready to start the pilot immediately. As part of the Technical Specification of the tender, the bidders have to demonstrate the suitability of the tendered meters with respect to the performance, communication and networking capabilities to the assessment committee. Cyan believes that its 865 Mhz (AMI) with data concentrators is the only one that meets this Technical Specification. TNEB plan to replace 18M meters and this is the first tender as part of the program. Given the significant financial cost and expected impact in terms of reduction of AT&C* losses in replacing 18M meters, TNEB are taking the selection process very seriously. We have been told that the decision process has to be completely transparent for all participants and this has resulted in an understandable extension to the timeline. Further information regarding the status of the other meter manufacturers who have bid on the TNEB tender, as well as the duration of the pilots and expected date of orders, will be provided as it becomes available. John Cronin, Executive Chairman at Cyan added, "We are delighted that the first of our partners has been formally requested to enter the pilot stage of the tender and all indications are that Cyan's partners are in a very strong position. While the process is taking longer than originally stated by TNEB, this is evidence that progress is being made. The Board remains confident that the outcome of this tender process will be transformational for Cyan in terms of financial situation and market perception."
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on May 31, 2012, 13:24:24 PM
I read that RNS this morning, very calm on the trading front still, I'd imagine if further clients of CYAN get asked to pilot it may bump a little, I'm rapidly learning that in the AIM market everyone seems to have the patience of a child on Christmas eve :lol:

I'm currently holding CYAN / VAL / SER mid-long term.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: zpyder on May 31, 2012, 13:45:25 PM
Part of me wants to put more money into Cyan but I know it's a gamble...My aim is to get the initial £300 back and then reinvest the profit without the risk of then being out of pocket.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on May 31, 2012, 13:54:18 PM
The SP will likely drift with no news, it's just the nature of the beast.

http://www.lse.co.uk/SharePrice.asp?shareprice=CYAN

If getting into profit and I needed to pull money out I would take my initial investment and keep the 'free' shares.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: M3ta7h3ad on May 31, 2012, 19:12:16 PM
I have one word to say

WOOOOOOOOOT!!!!!!!!

Logica f..k yeah!

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Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on June 06, 2012, 09:49:42 AM
Well played M3ta7h3ad :yarr:

In Cyan news, a 14.93k buy this morning, and this,

http://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/stocktube/1189/cyan-holdings-exec-chairman-looks-to-a-great-future-for-shareholders-1189.html

edit and another 10k, someones chucking a few quid at this,
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on June 06, 2012, 14:09:53 PM
was about to post the same link :D
directors also took more shares today - as menitoned in the agm
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on June 07, 2012, 08:19:08 AM
http://www.cyantechnology-ir.com/html/news/rnsreach/07_06_2012.asp

Cyan Holdings plc (AIM: CYAN.L), the integrated system design company delivering wireless solutions for lighting control and utility metering today gives further information regarding the status of the Tamil Nadu Electricity Board (TNEB) Automatic Meter Reading (AMR) tender.

Following the announcement on 07 June 2012, confirming that the first Cyan metering partner in India had received a formal request from TNEB to proceed with a 500 unit pilot, Cyan has been informed that three more Cyan partners have also received requests to proceed with installation and commissioning of 500 unit pilots within the next 25 days.

John Cronin, Executive Chairman at Cyan added, "We are delighted that three further Cyan partners have been formally requested to enter the pilot stage of the tender, bringing the current total number of Cyan partners at this stage in the process to four. All indications are that Cyan's partners are in a very strong position and we look forward to updating shareholders with further developments when we can."
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Adrock on June 07, 2012, 14:15:28 PM
Prices generally haven't moved on cyan yet. Seems people are waiting for a solid order rather than just tendering.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on June 18, 2012, 19:46:01 PM
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-2161080/SMALL-CAPS-FOCUS-Jigsaw-starts-fitting-place-Cyan-Holdings.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on June 18, 2012, 20:19:00 PM
I'm thinking of pumping my Bitcoin money straight into this now and playing the waiting game...
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on June 19, 2012, 08:08:17 AM
they are not moving atm because of warrants.
if the company dont raise funds, then they are issuing more shares to raise funds that will dillute the current value.

Once that hurdle has been sorted one way or another, they should start to climb.

Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on June 19, 2012, 11:53:49 AM
they are not moving atm because of warrants.
if the company dont raise funds, then they are issuing more shares to raise funds that will dillute the current value.

Once that hurdle has been sorted one way or another, they should start to climb.

Share Price: 0.49   Bid: 0.47   Ask: 0.51   Change: 0.06 (+13.95%)

http://www.lse.co.uk/SharePrice.asp?shareprice=CYAN&share=cyan

Already seem to be climbing, that said it's probably just a rise from the above thisismoney media exposure. AIM is very much spike on good news, then drift down when it's quiet generally.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on June 20, 2012, 20:26:16 PM
Cyan going down today, expansys going up haha

You did well to get out mate, expansys where about 1.90 at the time you typed this, currently around 1.40.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on June 21, 2012, 08:04:32 AM
just make sure you cash to buy more for the warrants.... once that worry is over, these shares will only go one way.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on June 21, 2012, 09:36:49 AM
I'm reading that two ways  :lol: Are you saying to cash out? or put cash in?
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on June 22, 2012, 21:41:38 PM
I'm reading that two ways  :lol: Are you saying to cash out? or put cash in?

People are holding off for the news of the warrants - why buy now, when they could drop 40%?
cheaper they can be bought for, the more you can make when they rise.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on June 25, 2012, 17:48:17 PM
Some Cyan news today, waiting game on the TNEB tender basically but they sound in a good position.

I'm waiting on a USOP announcement, and an OPE announcement, other than that though, a quiet week :lol:
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: XEntity on June 25, 2012, 19:09:24 PM
Has anyone here tried IG Index? I have a few mates using it for both long and short term bets?

It's basically spread betting, betting in real time against increases and decreases in share prices and you can also cap your losses. Looks quite a good alternative for those who are looking for the shorter term gambles on the stock market, although one of my mates is using it long term and has quite a few thousand invested. Maybe it deserves it's own thread, I don't want to hijack this one.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Dave on June 25, 2012, 20:26:50 PM
hmmm I really wouldn't bother.... similar operations used to exist in the USA over a century ago, they were called 'bucket shops' as the trades were essentially lobbed in a bucket and never actually made it to the exchange. Punters traded in small amounts on margin and typically lots money/blew up their accounts.

Spread betting isn't too different - the average trade made by the average punter is too small to be hedged directly on the underlying futures rather the SB firm will take trades in either direction and just hedge the combined net position resulting from this. They will also shift their quote around the underlying and widen their spread/delay quotes during economic announcements, central banker speeches etc...

Putting aside the reality that you're unlikely to be able to consistently predict short term market movements, SB firms certainly wouldn't be the ideal venue to use even if we were to imagine that you could - their interests are generally not in line with the clients despite what their marketing material might say.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on June 25, 2012, 22:52:00 PM
I'm waiting on a USOP announcement

http://www.iii.co.uk/investment/detail?code=cotn:PLU:USOP&display=discussion&it=plus (http://www.iii.co.uk/investment/detail?code=cotn:PLU:USOP&display=discussion&it=plus) On USOP, worth a read, do your own research, it could be astronomical*

http://usoil.us (http://usoil.us)

*Personal opinion, I'm not a financial adviser.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on July 03, 2012, 16:05:22 PM
up & up we go :)
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on July 04, 2012, 14:48:58 PM
up & up we go :)

Round 2.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on July 04, 2012, 15:05:12 PM
Wish I'd been able to put more in now!
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on July 04, 2012, 17:13:50 PM
Monster, 21% rise today.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: zpyder on July 04, 2012, 20:30:09 PM
They're now just a little bit more than when I bought them heh. Need them to hit bout .70 to be worth my initial investment after buying Expansys, selling, and buying these etc.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on July 05, 2012, 08:40:15 AM
They're now just a little bit more than when I bought them heh. Need them to hit bout .70 to be worth my initial investment after buying Expansys, selling, and buying these etc.

count yourself lucky.... i first bought in when they was 12p!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I need a 12p rise just to break even :lol:

but they was always was long term rather than short term. I know people who bought in at 50p

its not as bad as it sounds, potentially they could become the market leader - the way soundblaster made sound card chips.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: addictweb on July 05, 2012, 11:50:17 AM
Right, I think I've read enough, who are you all using to trade and what are the trade (entry/exit) costs?
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on July 05, 2012, 14:05:08 PM
I'm using http://svssecurities.com/ (http://svssecurities.com/) although I have no idea how good they are or what you would grade them on, I picked them because they are offering £1 trades (+ 0.5% commision) in the first 30 days of opening your account. Most other places charge around £10 a trade. No exit costs as far as I'm aware.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on July 05, 2012, 14:07:58 PM
I use Halifax for AIM listings (Cyan / VAL) & Jarvis for GXG (USOP)

Both charge £10 odd per trade.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: zpyder on July 05, 2012, 21:09:05 PM
Halifax here too. Think it's £12.50 or something a trade (buy or sell) so factor in a £25 loss in any stock :D
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on July 09, 2012, 09:26:27 AM
(USOP)

 :o

(http://dianegottsman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Rocket-Launch-for-rocket-scientist-blog_8.22.11.jpg)
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on July 12, 2012, 10:50:41 AM
up & atom
huge spike this morning. Things are going up
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on July 12, 2012, 11:34:13 AM
I'm hoping for a retrace to top up my shares but happy to see the trend  8)
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on July 13, 2012, 08:17:18 AM
Cyan have announced a large placement at 0.35p :thumbdown: all shareholders to take a big kicking :thumbdown:
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on July 13, 2012, 11:24:04 AM
To think I bought another 50k of shares at 0.5 yesterday. :dis:
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on July 14, 2012, 17:24:10 PM
Some interesting reading coming in, looks like things might start moving:

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Cyan Holdings, an integrated system and software design company, has made two placings, as a result of which just over 602m shares will be issued at 0.35p each. The placing will raise £2.1m before expenses, which will be used for general working capital requirements, business development and other product development work as set out below. In addition, those people with whom shares have been placed have been granted warrants to subscribe for up to a further 301,365,000 ordinary shares at 0.5p per ordinary share within twelve months of admission. The firm said that without the placing it would not have sufficient funds to take advantage of current opportunities, but said it "remains in an outstanding position to secure substantial revenues from a very large market and, to a large extent, the placings represent the cost to the company of securing that position". Cyan added: "It is therefore essential to our growth strategy that the company approaches this crucial phase in its life in the strongest position possible."

and as someone else posted elsewhere:
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"Cyan has received requests from its customers in India to start local sub-contract manufacturing in order to avoid import duties."....things are starting to move !

"In addition, the Warrants will permit the Company to receive incremental resources for working capital to fund a significant increase in stock of finished modules that will be required for initial shipments to pending orders, which the Company hopes to announce at the appropriate time."...I like the sound of that...seems very confident of success..

"The Directors believe that Cyan remains in an outstanding position to secure substantial revenues from a very large market and, to a large extent, the Placings represent the cost to the Company of securing that position"

also...

"The Directors' participation in this placing will be paid for in part by sacrificing their entire salaries for the remainder of 2012"....good to see the directors involved in this placing, at least we are all in this together.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on July 14, 2012, 20:40:22 PM
Warrants issued.... Dilution of shares - so a nice new entry for you clockd at a nice cheap price
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on July 15, 2012, 08:01:24 AM
Yeah I'm now thinking Monday morning 8am topup to lower my average. Wish I hadn't been so hasty on Friday though! :worried:


Topped up another 25k and it's already dipping again, typical! :lol: We all know this is a mid-long term though.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on July 30, 2012, 14:11:22 PM
Well I'm still rolling with the terrible trio of USOP/VAL/CYAN


It's mostly definitely a case of the above being GOLD/SILVER/BRONZE at the moment  :lol:
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on July 30, 2012, 14:17:38 PM
I've been watching VAL and haven't seen much movement, CYAN is a long wait now, at least the market seems to have stabilised so all it will take is some more good news.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on July 30, 2012, 15:54:56 PM
I've been watching VAL and haven't seen much movement

+0.03 (+5.50%)

Commentators curse, cheers mate  :lol: ;D
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on August 01, 2012, 11:13:03 AM
Cyan GM tomorrow, hopefully an RNS of some good news RE : TNEB.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on August 02, 2012, 09:18:13 AM
Cyan GM tomorrow, hopefully an RNS of some good news RE : TNEB.

Ask and ye shall receive

http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=201208020700200990J

Mostly positive stuff, just timescales have been dragged out a bit.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on August 02, 2012, 09:59:41 AM
I'm going to see about another 25k shares perhaps while prices are low. Won't be long now gents  :cheers:
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on August 02, 2012, 10:59:30 AM
I'm going to see about another 25k shares perhaps while prices are low. Won't be long now gents  :cheers:

Problem is it's probably another month, and there will be many out to kick the SP down >:(
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on August 02, 2012, 11:07:55 AM
I've bought in, hopefully it won't sink any further but its making my average buy price more respectable. 150k shares now. Me come Christmas: :santa:
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Dave on August 02, 2012, 16:30:31 PM
this whole adding to a losing position is all a bit dubious guys
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: addictweb on August 02, 2012, 16:46:15 PM
I've bought in, hopefully it won't sink any further but its making my average buy price more respectable. 150k shares now. Me come Christmas: :santa:

Arent Cyan shares ~40p? You have £60k of Cyan shares? If that's the case I'd suggest diversifying your portfolio asap.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: zpyder on August 02, 2012, 17:52:53 PM
More like 0.4p
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on August 02, 2012, 18:26:44 PM
I've bought in, hopefully it won't sink any further but its making my average buy price more respectable. 150k shares now. Me come Christmas: :santa:

Arent Cyan shares ~40p? You have £60k of Cyan shares? If that's the case I'd suggest diversifying your portfolio asap.

Everyone seems to make that mistake initially  ;D As zpyder pointed out, they are around 0.3--0.4p, so about £600 worth.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on August 02, 2012, 18:33:41 PM
this whole adding to a losing position is all a bit dubious guys

I think it only looks dubious if you haven't followed the business at all the past few months. I've bought in at slightly the wrong times, but I was going to top up my shares anyway. In September we should know for sure whats what and hopefully see the price rise dramatically. The outlook is still very positive despite the volatility which seems typical with AIM. In fact now is probably a better time than there ever has been to buy.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Dave on August 02, 2012, 20:45:23 PM
well if you were planning to risk X amount and were planning to buy in in over a period of time for that amount then I guess that's a bit different

It was the idea of risking more money when a trade isn't going your way that I was objecting to in principle - i.e. you'd end up risking two or three times as much on trades which aren't going as planned compared with trades that quickly go into profit.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on August 03, 2012, 00:18:40 AM
Yes, I couldn't agree more with you there Dave. I've been mulling over what I've put down very carefully first and only what I'm positive I can afford.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on August 03, 2012, 11:51:13 AM
Averaging down is fair enough, there's a massive upside to CYAN that hasn't been realised yet should this TNEB contract go through as we all hope and expect, I do wish it would hurry up mind :lol:
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on August 03, 2012, 13:43:29 PM
Averaging down is fair enough, there's a massive upside to CYAN that hasn't been realised yet should this TNEB contract go through as we all hope and expect, I do wish it would hurry up mind :lol:

plus all that electric was down last week - so people know, this chip is for smart meters & lots of electric is stolen in india, by people hooking themselves up to the grid, or bypassing meters, etc. - they hope this will put a stop to a lot of that as they can connect & look at any meter in real time - Cyan software on the chip & its cyan software that allows them to talk to the meters. The meters are made by other companies. In a way - this could be like 'soundblaster' was for PC Sound.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Dave on August 03, 2012, 20:38:13 PM
Averaging down is fair enough, there's a massive upside to CYAN that hasn't been realised yet should this TNEB contract go through as we all hope and expect, I do wish it would hurry up mind :lol:

If there's a massive upside then a relatively minor drop in price is irrelevant if the target is going to more than surpass your entry... the point is if you choose to risk X then chose to risk 2X... then 3X in situations where a stock doesn't go your way but risk only X in stocks where it does... you're increasing the chances of failure. Obv Nige has clarified that he intended to buy in over a period of time anyway so doesn't apply to what he's posted. Doubling down is not a good idea IMO - you're just increasing your risk/exposure when a position goes against you.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Dave on August 03, 2012, 21:05:14 PM
btw.. I don't trade in small caps (nor trade at all at the moment) it seems there is a lot of waiting around with these small caps... lots of it might do something etc.. balance sheet is crap with most of these companies and plenty of them have marketing/stories about why they're going to be the next big thing after oil is about to be discovered in X location or Y contract has been signed... its right around the corner...

One thing that strikes me about this is the Indian thing - they're corrupt as... contracts don't go to the best bidder/best in a trail but rather the best briber - which is why French Jets get picked over the Eurofighter etc.. I am wondering if one strategy for something like Cyan is just to watch it for any significant movement upwards due to an increase in volume just ahead of the estimated time for the contract to be announced (I don't know much about this but googling it says 45 -60 days after the trial started at beginning of July - so like mid to end of August). would be interesting to see if there are any previous AIM stocks that got some big movements upwards as a result of contracts in India and whether there was any significant movement/volume in the days prior... i.e. my idea would be assume Indians are corrupt, assume that *if* the contract does go to CYAN (might not if the bribe doesn't get paid to the right person) that there would be some insider trading - use the insider trading as an indicator that the contract will be signed get into a position some time between middle of August and the end on the basis of an increase in price/volume.... I dunno - just thinking aloud tbh.. wouldn't just do that blind either but its the sort of approach I'd look into and maybe look to see if it would have held up with any previous examples. I reckon there is a good chance that, if a contract is going to be signed which would result in a big increase in the share price, some Indians will be taking advantage of it - whether or not that would be reflected in any significant increase in price/volume traded immediately before the announcement - I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on August 03, 2012, 23:50:25 PM
Good points there Dave. I don't think this is a big risk with CYAN as they are partnered to the only 2 companies that have currently passed the initial testing phase of the TNEB contract (although others are allowed to resubmit) and they are in bed with the majority of the others, there would have to be some serious stupidity going on for India to accept bribes from anyone else to go through though as the technology and SaaS CYAN are getting established with here is a global game changer.
Title: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: M3ta7h3ad on August 04, 2012, 08:11:14 AM
Good points there Dave. I don't think this is a big risk with CYAN as they are partnered to the only 2 companies that have currently passed the initial testing phase of the TNEB contract (although others are allowed to resubmit) and they are in bed with the majority of the others, there would have to be some serious stupidity going on for India to accept bribes from anyone else to go through though as the technology and SaaS CYAN are getting established with here is a global game changer.

So not sure if its relevant but there are other companies which are a lot bigger than cyan who have a massive smart metering presence. My one also has a huge presence in India. What is cyan's unique selling point on this?
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on August 04, 2012, 11:08:07 AM
Are they part of the TNEB tenure? What field of smart metering?

The gist of it is these smart meters work on a wireless mesh network so can talk to each other and operate in such a way that they are tamper proof which is something none of the competitors have been able to achieve. The beauty of this is that they have costs down equivalent to sending a man out to check the meters by hand, so it is not expensive either. $8 billion a year is lost in India to electricity theft/tampering, so you can see why this is so important.
Title: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: M3ta7h3ad on August 04, 2012, 13:18:41 PM
Are they part of the TNEB tenure? What field of smart metering?

The gist of it is these smart meters work on a wireless mesh network so can talk to each other and operate in such a way that they are tamper proof which is something none of the competitors have been able to achieve. The beauty of this is that they have costs down equivalent to sending a man out to check the meters by hand, so it is not expensive either. $8 billion a year is lost in India to electricity theft/tampering, so you can see why this is so important.

So they are the same smart meters currently widespread in America, the Netherlands, etc...

No idea what TNEB is, but cyan aren't the only horse in this race, in fact I'm sure of it. My company has been doing this since before 2007.

Just looked up some stuff, no they aren't competing in India for smart metering but they pretty much have the UK  and Europe wrapped up.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on August 07, 2012, 12:21:10 PM
Meta, cyan has been working on this product for years. Its not about the metering side, its about the chip being smart and they can talk to each other & back to home base. The chip has been used in brazil for taxi meters, traffic lights, street lights & all sort of other things - taxi meters can record journeys, even when not the meter is not set to be on ie catching out drivers who switch off the meter after agreeing a fee. Street lights that can be turned on/off centrally & can report back if theres a problem like a blown bulb. Traffic lights that are smart enough to measure traffic volume  & manage the lights accordingly. R TNEB is the moneyball contract though. They arent bidding direct for the contract, they have learned that the money is having their chips in companies meters that are bidding. i think they had their chips in 8 out of the 10 companies who tendered for the work. TNEB is splitting the tender through to at least 3 companies, so they can still have negotiation leverage.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on August 08, 2012, 08:37:52 AM
http://www.cyantechnology-ir.com/html/news/rnsreach/02_08_2012.asp

It's a horserace and only one horse hasn't got 'POWERED BY Cyan' written on it, and that horse ain't doing so well :thumbup:

In other news US Oil & Gas are having their AGM here http://www.fourseasons.com/dublin/ I think they're going to be dropping repeated boomtastic bombs in the coming month :ptu:
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on August 13, 2012, 20:43:12 PM
In other news US Oil & Gas are having their AGM here http://www.fourseasons.com/dublin/ I think they're going to be dropping repeated boomtastic bombs in the coming month :ptu:

Announced they're drilling upto 15 zones and Schlumberger are on board, Schlumberger are a 99 billion dollar company.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on August 17, 2012, 18:00:30 PM
Its all buys at cyan, lots showing up as sells, but they buys. May finaaly be on the rise.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on August 31, 2012, 13:11:13 PM
VAL has been rising nicely but being shaken down a bit today (still hugely up on 0.45 at time of original posting)
CYAN is asleep waiting an RNS to say if they have got the TNEB contract.
USOP, AGM was today, 100 well program announced, anyone reading this do your own research into this company, I topped up today.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on August 31, 2012, 14:44:18 PM
USOP, AGM was today, 100 well program announced, anyone reading this do your own research into this company, I topped up today.

(http://dianegottsman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Rocket-Launch-for-rocket-scientist-blog_8.22.11.jpg)

+ £1 a share since posting that.

I should change career.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on August 31, 2012, 17:26:30 PM
USOP, AGM was today, 100 well program announced, anyone reading this do your own research into this company, I topped up today.

(http://dianegottsman.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Rocket-Launch-for-rocket-scientist-blog_8.22.11.jpg)

+ £1 a share since posting that.

I should change career.

Apologies, actually closed + £1.45. Likely much more to come, DYOR.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on September 02, 2012, 09:24:15 AM
might take a nibble at this after XEL if there's still any value left. BLVN & DES are also worth keeping an eye on.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on September 10, 2012, 12:55:06 PM
cyan rns update today, just saying things are going well.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on September 11, 2012, 13:09:54 PM
cyan rns update today, just saying things are going well.

Looking good, should be quite a re-rate on confirmation of a deal :bow:
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on September 12, 2012, 21:55:22 PM
Beefy 20k buy on CYAN today.

I'm waiting on USOP flow results for Eblana #1 if they're good (all signs point to yes but you can never be 100%) the price is going to rocket again, would have had a 3 bagger by now if I didn't keep buying more on the way up  :lol:
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on September 13, 2012, 07:15:08 AM
Beefy 20k buy on CYAN today.

I'm waiting on USOP flow results for Eblana #1 if they're good (all signs point to yes but you can never be 100%) the price is going to rocket again, would have had a 3 bagger by now if I didn't keep buying more on the way up  :lol:

FOGL has been an interesting week. 95p on Friday, big rumour about a duster, dropped to 60p, rumour of oil strike & has climbed to 75p - proper gamble cos if they have hit oil, then your looking at £11 a share, if no oil, then 20p!
Im still heavily in XEL atm.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on September 13, 2012, 09:37:44 AM
Beefy 20k buy on CYAN today.

I'm waiting on USOP flow results for Eblana #1 if they're good (all signs point to yes but you can never be 100%) the price is going to rocket again, would have had a 3 bagger by now if I didn't keep buying more on the way up  :lol:

FOGL has been an interesting week. 95p on Friday, big rumour about a duster, dropped to 60p, rumour of oil strike & has climbed to 75p - proper gamble cos if they have hit oil, then your looking at £11 a share, if no oil, then 20p!
Im still heavily in XEL atm.

I hope it's not like RMPs twat fest of 'oh we have hit something but we don't know if it's oil or water' then predictably it turns out to be water :roll:
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on September 17, 2012, 10:30:12 AM
Im still heavily in XEL atm.

Flying today!

I have a measly 177 XEL :lol:
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on September 17, 2012, 16:41:09 PM
Im still heavily in XEL atm.

Flying today!

I have a measly 177 XEL :lol:

hold them tightly. I have 2500!
water cut has not been confirmed yet
cold flow test to come (cold means they dont need to pay expensive equipment to heat the oil to flow up the pipes)
possible re-valuation of 116m barrels to 180m barrels.

If there is a buy out - expect it to be about £3 a share - oh & that releases a booby trap that splits stock 2:1 - so affectively £6 a share.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on September 17, 2012, 16:43:19 PM
FOGL hit gas - and a lot of gas - worth millions, but a long road for that ahead.
price is up today from fridays close, due to the size of the gas field. 25CTF

BLVN is another share that looks interesting. been high 70-80 all last week. Positive RNS today & the price dropped a bit.
its one your better in than out!
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on September 19, 2012, 10:50:06 AM
XEL looks promising, I wouldn't mind taking a little punt but at the price its at I couldn't afford enough to make it a good ROI. GL guys. Just need some good news on CYAN now at 0.4 :cheers:
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on September 19, 2012, 11:10:50 AM
XEL looks promising, I wouldn't mind taking a little punt but at the price its at I couldn't afford enough to make it a good ROI. GL guys. Just need some good news on CYAN now at 0.4 :cheers:

maybe look at BLVN?
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on September 19, 2012, 11:52:16 AM
Yeah seems there is good potential there, moreso than DES I think. As always a case of DYOR but looks like a good one to hold onto.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on September 19, 2012, 11:57:59 AM
Yeah seems there is good potential there, moreso than DES I think. As always a case of DYOR but looks like a good one to hold onto.

The attraction of DES is the 4% it holds in Rockhopper & the sea lion oil field.
A DES takeover by an oil giant may be a backdoor to flex some muscle in that zone.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on September 19, 2012, 14:09:47 PM
USOP doing its normal 'drift between news' act, waiting on flow results still.

Surely can't be long for CYAN now!
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on September 19, 2012, 16:30:22 PM
USOP doing its normal 'drift between news' act, waiting on flow results still.

Surely can't be long for CYAN now!

who knows with CYAN - well, more to do with india & testing.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on September 20, 2012, 07:12:53 AM
and the xel RNS right on queue
http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/news/market-news/market-news-detail.html?announcementId=11335630
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on September 20, 2012, 10:18:18 AM
Positive rns & 10% drop.... Whats that all about!
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on September 20, 2012, 10:32:02 AM
Positive rns & 10% drop.... Whats that all about!

Seems normal for AIM, either priced in or a massive tree shake to get shares for the big boys, I'm going for a combination of both and expect some absolutely monster buys at 4.30PM/on the buzzer.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on September 20, 2012, 17:29:25 PM
Positive rns & 10% drop.... Whats that all about!

Seems normal for AIM, either priced in or a massive tree shake to get shares for the big boys, I'm going for a combination of both and expect some absolutely monster buys at 4.30PM/on the buzzer.

20-Sep-12
17:01:55
115.32
100,000
Buy*
106.50
108.00
115.32k
O




20-Sep-12
16:53:00
115.32
100,000
Buy*
106.50
108.00
115.32k
O




20-Sep-12
16:41:06
115.40
50,000
Buy*
106.50
108.00
57.70k
O



20-Sep-12
16:40:39
112.40
250,000
Buy*
106.50
108.00
281.00k
O




20-Sep-12
16:35:20
108.00
31,709
Buy*
107.75
108.00
34.25k
UT



20-Sep-12
16:32:04
109.00
5,000
 
110.00
108.00
5,450
O




20-Sep-12
16:30:27
106.50
22,536
Buy*
110.00
108.00
24.00k
O



20-Sep-12
16:30:18
108.00
916
Buy*
110.00
108.00
989.28
O



20-Sep-12
16:30:05
108.00
10,000
Buy*
110.00
108.00
10.80k
O



20-Sep-12
16:30:05
108.16
660
Buy*
110.00
108.00
713.86
O




20-Sep-12
16:30:02
108.00
9,000
Buy*
110.00
108.00
9,720
O



20-Sep-12
16:30:01
108.00
914
Buy*
110.00
108.00
987.12
O



20-Sep-12
16:29:56
108.00
4,620
Buy*
106.50
108.00
4,990
O



20-Sep-12
16:29:56
108.00
914
Buy*
106.50
108.00
987.12
O



20-Sep-12
16:29:55
108.00
10,580
Buy*
106.50
108.00
11.43k
O



20-Sep-12
16:29:55
108.00
8,326
Buy*
106.50
108.00
8,992
O



20-Sep-12
16:29:54
108.00
600
Buy*
106.50
108.00
648.00
O



20-Sep-12
16:29:55
107.50
26,540
Buy*
106.50
108.00
28.53k
A




A bit like that really ::) did a lot of PI's get mugged today? maybe, depends if the price bounces or not.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on September 21, 2012, 07:34:01 AM
looks like a big holding company is dumping shares, cos if the price remains above 136 for 14 consecetive days, then xel can force them to buy up the warrants.
Otherwise the company can buy the warrants at anytime. so now its all good news, they are going to manipulate the market & buy their warrants for as cheap as possible.


good time to top up imo - lots of news to come in the next 3-6 montsh
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on September 21, 2012, 09:27:59 AM
I've bought a small amount at that price for a bit of a fun gamble. I'll hang on and see where it goes :yarr:
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on September 26, 2012, 12:22:16 PM
matt
heard anyhing about USOP doing a placing of more shares?
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on September 26, 2012, 20:20:55 PM
matt
heard anyhing about USOP doing a placing of more shares?

No I've not heard that, it wouldn't make sense as they have already stated they're fully funded for EB#2 and the current workover program on EB#1, the pathetic amount they issued in the last placement (284k shares @ $1.75M http://www.usoil.us/?q=node/207 ) is because unlike most other shares the CEO holds an absolute mountain load of them and pays himself a very modest income, what's best for shareholders is best for him.

The SP is currently being walked down due to a combination of manipulation, people over leveraging themselves with T20s on a spike (~£6.50) and being forced to sell (many got out T20s at AGM or the day after, these expire this week) and a dip in news, the irony being of course that a game changing RNS could be round the corner, at the AGM the CEO said flow results before Oct, we shall see.

I have no idea if this will work out or not, but I see no other shares out there with the same potential upside, and after pouring in hours and hours of research I'm confident.

Disclaimer : All in my own opinion, do your own research etc.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on September 27, 2012, 14:08:50 PM
http://img.moneyam.com/mrq/mrq.pdf

Some USOP info on p22.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on September 27, 2012, 15:31:12 PM
New website photos uploaded at 15.20 today, all of the workover, why would you put pictures up of a failed workover?

All IMO, DYOR.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on September 28, 2012, 07:41:11 AM
cyan 6 month report RNS
http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=201209280700033154N
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on September 28, 2012, 09:07:23 AM
Very positive, SP will probably take a beating now as traders gear up to buy low...

Quote
We expect the coming months to yield significant developments for Cyan. There is no doubt we are moving towards 'crunch time' in terms of agreements turning into sizeable orders for our equipment. The outcome of the TNEB tender is obviously on the horizon, and this could be an utterly transformational moment for us, should the result be favourable.

The opportunity is vast, and we have, through hard work, manoeuvred ourselves into a very promising position.

I look forward to delivering outstanding value for shareholders.

John Cronin

Cheers John :cheers:

XEL is shooting up right now.... :o
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on September 28, 2012, 11:51:31 AM
Very positive, SP will probably take a beating now as traders gear up to buy low...

Quote
We expect the coming months to yield significant developments for Cyan. There is no doubt we are moving towards 'crunch time' in terms of agreements turning into sizeable orders for our equipment. The outcome of the TNEB tender is obviously on the horizon, and this could be an utterly transformational moment for us, should the result be favourable.

The opportunity is vast, and we have, through hard work, manoeuvred ourselves into a very promising position.

I look forward to delivering outstanding value for shareholders.

John Cronin

Cheers John :cheers:

XEL is shooting up right now.... :o

Good update from CYAN, but timescales dragging a bit there, nevermind :)

XEL was always going to shoot up as I sold mine a couple of days ago and bought more USOP :lol:

XEL VS USOP :drama:
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on September 28, 2012, 12:20:24 PM
XEL won't stay at this price, its just traders testing in prep for the next move. Good to know there is plenty of bullish interest though.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on September 29, 2012, 16:21:58 PM
The company dumping shares supposedly has an option for 15million more at 10% discount. The option expires on tuesday, the volume was down as well, only 6m shares traded yesterday, compared to 30m a few days ago.
Blvn are another worth researching btw. Rumours of a takeover, but they are sitting on a lot of assets.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on September 29, 2012, 23:52:17 PM
Xcite has to agree to the option too though don't they? It doesn't seem likely at this price. There's been mention on the boards about BLVN as the other one to look into but at a glance their position doesn't seem as strong to me.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on October 01, 2012, 09:03:31 AM
hopefully no retrace.. but we've started this morning strong. up 5%
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on October 01, 2012, 09:37:20 AM
USOP have been swinging about like Linford Christies dick in a sprint, the main stockbroker has basically told those who have a ton on leverage they can't anymore, so people are being literally told either stump up the cash (some have 10s of thousands on leverage a few have 100k+!) or sell, so the SP is all over the place (GXG is a matched trade system, like bitcoin) absolute silly season stuff :lol:
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Sam on October 01, 2012, 09:56:59 AM
Aren't all electronic stock exchanges matched trade ?
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on October 01, 2012, 11:22:14 AM
Aren't all electronic stock exchanges matched trade ?

Sorry, to clarify the bid/ask are not set by market makers on GXG.
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on October 01, 2012, 11:47:33 AM
Small rise on CYAN this morning and XEL moving and might still on the up at around 117.
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Post by: Sam on October 01, 2012, 13:05:07 PM
Aren't all electronic stock exchanges matched trade ?

Sorry, to clarify the bid/ask are not set by market makers on GXG.

As far as I'm aware they're not set by MM on any exchange. The MM's perform the actual trade on behalf of the buyer and seller and they also step in if there are no parties on either side.

For example, I can set a price right now a on thinly traded stock and see that price direct in the market. I could do that on anything, eg apple.
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Post by: matt5cott on October 01, 2012, 13:13:43 PM
Interesting, cheers Sam :)
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Post by: Dave on October 02, 2012, 01:05:42 AM
Aren't all electronic stock exchanges matched trade ?

Sorry, to clarify the bid/ask are not set by market makers on GXG.

As far as I'm aware they're not set by MM on any exchange. The MM's perform the actual trade on behalf of the buyer and seller and they also step in if there are no parties on either side.

For example, I can set a price right now a on thinly traded stock and see that price direct in the market. I could do that on anything, eg apple.

Not sure what you mean by the 'The MM's perform the actual trade on behalf of the buyer and seller' - that's the job of the exchange (are you thinking of the NYSE's system or something?). As far as a lot of exchanges go being a market maker is just a vanity/PR exercise - they're obliged to provide a two way quote for x% of the time etc... but they don't necessarily have any advantage over a non market maker.

There are however quote driven markets where prices are actually set by market makers - this is where they actually fulfill their job description of making a market by providing two way prices for other participants to trade against - generally this is used for less liquid stocks (for example LSE's SEAQ) - obviously you need two or more market makers... but aside from the market makers there is no means for others to enter limit orders directly into the order book - you have to cross the bid/offer if you want to execute a trade. (There are fairly obvious criticism of this approach but its still used for the smaller AIM stocks AFAIK)
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Post by: Eggtastico on October 02, 2012, 08:34:18 AM
Cyan on the move 7% up
XEL on the Move 3% up (again)
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on October 02, 2012, 09:05:49 AM
I'm finally back in gains, hopefully this will be the month with all the news and some boomtastic booms ;D
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Post by: Eggtastico on October 03, 2012, 11:56:19 AM
blvn broken out. minutes before I split my xel stock into it!
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Post by: Eggtastico on October 05, 2012, 09:05:31 AM
cyan might get to 1/2 a penny today! 10% already today
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on October 05, 2012, 09:51:30 AM
Did you split into BLVN in the end? Both seem to have plateaud a bit at the moment.
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Post by: Eggtastico on October 05, 2012, 09:56:56 AM
yep, I split. Theres farm-in news imminent, so now its drifting. XEL is a traders atm waiting for news. Skimmed my BLVN profit yesterday & got in & out of sound oil for a quick 10% profit - it rose 25% quite quickly. So missed out on 15% :oS
was going to put a bit more into Cyan, but its now gone .51 - Ill see which comes of worse towards the end of the day out of blvn & xel. Rather my money in one of them, than just sitting there over the weekend & possibly missing a monday RNS
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Post by: matt5cott on October 05, 2012, 10:49:55 AM
cyan might get to 1/2 a penny today! 10% already today

Already there, Cyan is Flyan :hug:
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Post by: Eggtastico on October 22, 2012, 07:14:30 AM
wake up Cyan shareholders
http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=201210220700071405P
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Post by: Adrock on October 22, 2012, 20:36:51 PM
God damn, I wanted to get in on Cyan since you lot started talking about it but I have no spare money at the moment, at all >_<
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on October 22, 2012, 23:05:41 PM
I would say be patient and watch what happens over the coming week, could go up or could drift back down slightly following this RNS depending on how the market gets played, so it may be worth your wait. The next RNS should be the one to bring home the bacon though. I'm considering topping up myself but there are other stocks I want to long.
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Post by: Eggtastico on October 23, 2012, 08:15:47 AM
there will still be time. Maybe a month or so of the trial left. They have chips in 4 of the 6 tenders.
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on October 23, 2012, 15:13:01 PM
As predicted the SP is dropping again slightly, could still go lower so well worth keeping an eye on, plenty of time yet so no one has missed the boat if they wanted to get in.
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Post by: matt5cott on October 26, 2012, 00:03:01 AM
Cyan going well again.

'Positive' US Oil & Gas story going on Las vegas news tomorrow PM.

https://twitter.com/g_knapp

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Post by: Eggtastico on October 26, 2012, 07:31:19 AM
new blocks awarded for XEL - BLVN is prob the better of the 2 atm as XEL could go for a farmout so they got money to explore. Not something PI's might be interested in considering how long its taken XEL to get this far.
BLVN though, could have major news any moment. Both have the likelyhood of multibagging & lots of people are edging their bets. its like roullette atm. Bet red or black - 1st RNS will see every winner take profit & pile into the other.
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on October 26, 2012, 08:44:04 AM
Cyan is looking very rosy right now. I think I'm going to take what I've earned from my Bitcoins when my next payment lands and convert it to BLVN :thumbup:
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Post by: Eggtastico on October 26, 2012, 10:45:02 AM
yep - up about 50% this week - and close 100% in a month!
Just the start - next month = BOOM!
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Post by: matt5cott on October 26, 2012, 23:24:39 PM
http://videobam.com/VzDpy

The Cyan boom (I'm invested in both) is going to be chicken feed if this USOP news is true (yes I keep banging on but honestly I think this is the real deal) DYOR.

'it could be a gamechanger for our state'

oh that sounds terrible ;)
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Post by: Bacon on October 27, 2012, 11:50:32 AM
So i have spare cash this month, what am i investing in?  ;D
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Post by: zpyder on October 27, 2012, 12:25:23 PM
yep - up about 50% this week - and close 100% in a month!
Just the start - next month = BOOM!

I hope so. I managed to buy my shares nearly at the peak of the first spike on "Saurons tower" back in may (look at the charts and you'll see what I mean hopefully). After commission etc they're only just braking even now.

Question is, how high do you think these could go? I'd be tempted to sell some if I could double my money, take out the initial investment and then leave the rest "risk free".
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Post by: matt5cott on October 27, 2012, 12:39:55 PM
http://www.8newsnow.com/story/19926814/i-team-oil-discovered-in-nevada

http://www.8newsnow.com/story/19929565/i-team-oil-found-nevada-hot-creek

No new info in this but the company is coming out of stealth mode.

Disclaimer - I'm not a financial adviser, and I'm not telling anyone to invest, as always, do your own research!
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on October 27, 2012, 14:14:13 PM
yep - up about 50% this week - and close 100% in a month!
Just the start - next month = BOOM!

I hope so. I managed to buy my shares nearly at the peak of the first spike on "Saurons tower" back in may (look at the charts and you'll see what I mean hopefully). After commission etc they're only just braking even now.

Question is, how high do you think these could go? I'd be tempted to sell some if I could double my money, take out the initial investment and then leave the rest "risk free".

Estimates on the investor forums are between 1-2p per share at close of an RNS awarding the TNEB contract, but there is plenty of potential beyond that in SAAS/M2M applications, Chinese contracts, etc. so you should be looking to at least double your investment (assuming all goes to plan!) John Cronin wants to turn the company into a big player and has a good track record for this.

I'm over 60% up already at 0.7. GLA :cheers:
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on October 27, 2012, 14:17:23 PM
So i have spare cash this month, what am i investing in?  ;D

If you want a less risky investment and have plenty of money go long on Intel (INTC). That's my next move. Another safe choice I like would be Associated British Foods Plc (ABF), they are a reliable and steady grower.

If you want to try and make a quick buck I'd buy CYAN as the big news is imminent. To echo Matt, I'm not a financial advisor, you could lose it all, DYOR, etc. :thumbup:
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Post by: Eggtastico on October 27, 2012, 15:07:37 PM
cyan also allowed a director to leave for the M2M (machine2machine) consortium of companies.
Cyan will be primed for a takeover IF they get the TNEB contract & Smart Meters are going to be the next big thing where this small cap company will instantly become a market leader in its solution overnight. Could easily be a anything from 3p-6p in a takeover IMO - really depends on the size of orders that come through from india, china, brazil, etc.
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Post by: Dave on October 27, 2012, 22:13:44 PM
Just a warning (I'm aware you probably already realise this but thought I'd post in this thread just in case as its worth noting for anyone who's not) - buy buying these sorts of stocks you are quite likely to be targeted by some rather unsavoury people - people who obtain data from companies house then send out marketing info offering you some free research into the stock you hold or just blatantly cold call you. (If you fill out the form for the free 'research' you'll get your 'research', a brochure and be plagued by cold calls that you agreed to receive by completing the form - FSA regulated firms aren't allowed to cold call so have to rely on responses to this sort of marketing)

Some of these firms are FSA regulated (so technically not boiler rooms - just very dodgy - though thankfully some of the previous big offenders have been shut down or have changed their business model.) Others are outright boiler rooms operating out of Spain, Asia etc.. And lastly some of these clowns who were employed by dodgy FSA regulated brokerages have moved onto other schemes - land banking, wine investments, carbon credits and 'rare earth' metals...

Bottom line is its all pure spank... even legitimate financial advisors/brokers are dubious at best but these cold callers are complete thieves. If anyone phones you offering advise, investment opportunities etc.. yes it is too good to be true and yes they are just going to rip you off (even if the FSA has been naive enough to regulate them) - if any of these people could make a profit from speculation then thats exactly what they'd be doing - instead they're scummy salesmen phone bashing for victims all day long.

Be careful as investors in penny stocks are the main targets for these guys - they're after people who are looking to take a gamble for a large return etc...
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on October 28, 2012, 10:34:47 AM
That's good advice. Also make sure if you do want to get involved that you choose a reputable broker and don't just pick one at random off google, you want to be sure the one you use is authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority.

One's we're all using are Halifax, Jarvis and Hargreaves Lansdown. I'm using SVS Securities who are cheap to use but don't offer trading on international markets so to buy Intel I'll have to open an account with Halifax probably.
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Post by: Eggtastico on October 29, 2012, 11:19:56 AM
BOOM! on Cyan
Xel & BLVN dropping - good times to get in/top up/back in :)
DYOR.
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Post by: Adrock on October 29, 2012, 20:03:38 PM
Ah sh*t, that would have been double money during the day. This serious lack of cash flow is rather annoying.
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Post by: Eggtastico on November 01, 2012, 07:12:50 AM
Cyan RNS
Is this a whole new contract & not TNEB
http://www.investegate.co.uk/Article.aspx?id=201211010700150405Q
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Post by: matt5cott on November 01, 2012, 14:55:05 PM
Got reamed by VAL today, huge placement, managed to get out a few quid down with my tail between my legs :panic:
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Post by: Eggtastico on November 01, 2012, 15:00:18 PM
Got reamed by VAL today, huge placement, managed to get out a few quid down with my tail between my legs :panic:
seen CPP? they fell to 8p 2 weeks ago after problems with the FSA - 5x that now!
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Post by: matt5cott on November 01, 2012, 15:24:39 PM
Got reamed by VAL today, huge placement, managed to get out a few quid down with my tail between my legs :panic:
seen CPP? they fell to 8p 2 weeks ago after problems with the FSA - 5x that now!

Aye, but will be weeks of silence on VAL now, no good news due, and slow/no news = down :gag:
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Post by: Eggtastico on November 01, 2012, 15:35:32 PM
think is with 1/2 penny shares is that even a small drop is a huge % drop. Just look at XTR.
NEW is an interesting prospect. 2 drills to be done this year & one early next year. Can easily multibag if their sismatics are oil.
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Post by: Eggtastico on November 06, 2012, 07:59:29 AM
double BLVN RNS - interim results, news of farm-in & a reserve upgrade.
Maybe Boom - if you got chance to get in this morning get in - 74p atm
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on November 06, 2012, 08:24:08 AM
Jumped 10p it seems, I missed the boat - no money spare for it.
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Post by: Eggtastico on November 06, 2012, 08:53:32 AM
never to late....  as long as your in for the long term - Tue, 6th Nov 2012 08:39 Nov 6 (Reuters) - Bowleven PLC: * Barclays raises price target to 225p from 215p; rating overweight
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on November 07, 2012, 09:00:35 AM
Looks like BLVN is settling down again, more news to come?
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Post by: Eggtastico on November 07, 2012, 09:32:42 AM
yes, lots to come. Its more interesting if you look at other oilies around that area - some big big players. Also the Chinese are sniffing & theres a big oil power station to be built in the area.
Basically they are in a strategic point - the farmout is worth approx 1/3rd of their assets. After yesterday rise  - there was a big gap - Chart Analysts say gaps get filled 90% of the time, so a retrace was expected.
BLVN & XEL are prob the 2 best prospects atm on AIM for oilies. Most of the others are gambling on drilling results. so a bigger gamble that may return 5, 6 or 10 times its value. While BLVN & XEL are just dependent on news releases to push their price up as they both have oil.


There was a ton of late trades yesterday - after hours trades & big money changing hands.
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Post by: matt5cott on November 08, 2012, 19:19:16 PM
BLVN seems to be the usual case of keep the price down so my city mates can get in after hours (all IMO)
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Post by: Eggtastico on November 12, 2012, 14:24:45 PM
when a small oily goes good
https://www.google.co.uk/finance?client=ob&q=LON:PET
350%+ !!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on November 12, 2012, 14:57:36 PM
We're you in it egg?
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Post by: matt5cott on November 12, 2012, 15:15:59 PM
when a small oily goes good
https://www.google.co.uk/finance?client=ob&q=LON:PET
350%+ !!!!!!!!!!

PET

(http://www.geordieshore.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/ant-and-dec.jpg)
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Post by: Eggtastico on November 15, 2012, 12:20:16 PM
Not a good usop rns :( oil to water
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Post by: matt5cott on November 15, 2012, 12:23:05 PM
Not a good usop rns :( oil to water

Yes, except this bit...


Nevertheless, two zones with Gross Formation Thickness of 380 ft (min. 150 ft NPZ) with average
effective porosity of 19% (total porosity of 22 - 24%) were confirmed as oil bearing zones, and
an initial low flow rate through the tubing to the surface was achieved. The Company believes
that flow was impeded by a high paraffin wax content and kerogene in the formation.


Weeks 6 -10:
Perforation was completed, and all remaining zones were tested. Oil flowed to the surface from
two of these zones.



------


PIs crapping their pants, I've taken some more shares on board during the loony twitcher period, delighted.
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Post by: Eggtastico on November 15, 2012, 16:06:31 PM
no idea what you was in for, but at the current price - if you can afford to average down, then go for it.
Im out of BLVN atm - its a risk, but im in NEW atm. praying for oil! still kicking myself for not reading PET rns. I usually read all oil RNS - but was in a hurry
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Post by: matt5cott on November 15, 2012, 17:46:34 PM
no idea what you was in for, but at the current price - if you can afford to average down, then go for it.

I have ;) they have 150ft minimum confirmed oil, people just saw water and shat themselves, and with GXG you can put any stupid bid in of 1p if you like, if someone's crazy enough to accept, that becomes the last sale price!

75p a share is lunacy, they had £2.5 mill in the bank (surplus from this drill) the question of course is how much of that is left? But if this 150ft flows at anything half decent it's all good and an incredible over-reaction by weak PIs.

Thankfully I followed the golden rule, don't invest more than you can afford to lose :hug: Bum is still slightly charred though, definitely an evening to goto the pub  :lol:
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on November 15, 2012, 18:41:12 PM
Well, it could all be changing fortunes again tomorrow if rumour and speculation over the date of the upcoming CYAN TNEB RNS is anything to go by. It's worth keeping your eyes peeled tomorrow and Monday morning, although personally I think we're more likely to hear closer to the end of the month.
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Post by: Eggtastico on November 15, 2012, 21:32:35 PM
Has Belize PM lets the cat out of the bag?
http://www.7newsbelize.com/sstory.php?nid=23926
All oil discoveries has to be announced to the goverment before an rns

Roll on cyan. Personally think india live in their own timeframe for news
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Post by: matt5cott on November 16, 2012, 09:04:39 AM
Averaging down again, the market have read USOP spectacularly wrong, the price is down here as PIs haven't got a clue

A, how to use GXG

B, read and RNS

If I'm right all we've done so far is test the aquifer up to the oil water contact, and then beyond, found a huge oil payzone that needs work, and it's likely there's more above!
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Post by: Eggtastico on November 28, 2012, 18:07:48 PM
BLVN really drifting atm.. lots of A trades, drifts all day & then an after hour trade gobbles up £100k a day.
Moneymakers games - 800,000 sells today. 6,800,000 buys - yes 6million more buys than sells & the price drops 2%


USOP RNS - people could be in trouble
US Oil and Gas Plc (GXG:USOP), the oil and gas exploration company with exploration assets in Nevada makes the
following statement:

In recent weeks, unlawful statements were posted on internet bulletin boards about  US Oil and its directors.
The Company denounces these wrongdoings and today successfully obtained a Court order  requiring the operators
of the websites concerned to disclose the identities of those users of the bulletin boards who had made the
unlawful statements.

The bulletin boards on which the statements were made are as follows:   www.iii.co.uk (Interactive Investor),
www.lse.co.uk  (London South East) and www.boards.ie.  No legal complaints were made against the companies who
own the relevant websites beyond the order seeking disclosure of the identities of certain users and the
Company's sole objective was to seek this disclosure.

CEO Brian McDonnell said, 'the Company has no intention of being distracted from its agenda by these matters,
but defamatory, false and misleading statements about the Company and its directors cannot be allowed to stand
unchallenged.  Those making such statements will see that there are consequences.'
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Post by: DEViANCE on November 28, 2012, 20:39:33 PM

CEO Brian McDonnell said, 'the Company has no intention of being distracted from its agenda by these matters,
but defamatory, false and misleading statements about the Company and its directors cannot be allowed to stand
unchallenged.  Those making such statements will see that there are consequences.'

CEO Brian McDonnell is a big fatty.

Thats how I roll.
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Post by: matt5cott on November 28, 2012, 22:26:14 PM

CEO Brian McDonnell said, 'the Company has no intention of being distracted from its agenda by these matters,
but defamatory, false and misleading statements about the Company and its directors cannot be allowed to stand
unchallenged.  Those making such statements will see that there are consequences.'

CEO Brian McDonnell is a big fatty.

Thats how I roll.

 :lol:

He's right to take action though, some of the crap being spouted was just next level rubbish on an incredible magnitude, I don't think I've ever seen such a campaign to discredit/undermine/accuse a company/CEO, sometimes almost literally 24/7.

With that said though the last RNS wasn't worded particularly well and that's me being quite kind, whilst this action is necessary I would prefer they rapidly get on with announcing oil well work-over proceedings rather than legal.

The fundamentals never changed, PI attitude did, this hopefully will bolster the latter and unfortunately investors who sold out at 30/40p last week are now left kicking themselves.
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Post by: Eggtastico on November 29, 2012, 07:49:13 AM
well, NEW has hit oil, but doing further drilling to know how much! going take profits & dump everything back in to BLVN. Waiting for the farmout news there, that should come anytime.
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on December 24, 2012, 11:05:06 AM
RNS from CYAN this morning:

http://www.investegate.co.uk/cyan-holdings-plc/cyan/advanced-metering-infrastructure-pilot/201212240700112190U/?fe=1&utm_source=FE%20Investegate%20Alerts&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=Announcement%20Alert%20Mail&utm_campaign=Cyan%20Holdings%20Plc%20Alert (http://www.investegate.co.uk/cyan-holdings-plc/cyan/advanced-metering-infrastructure-pilot/201212240700112190U/?fe=1&utm_source=FE%20Investegate%20Alerts&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=Announcement%20Alert%20Mail&utm_campaign=Cyan%20Holdings%20Plc%20Alert)

The summary being they are taking part in an AMI pilot and for the TNEB and fulfillment of May's metering order everything will happen next year, so have patience.
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Post by: Eggtastico on December 24, 2012, 12:22:26 PM
RNS from CYAN this morning:

http://www.investegate.co.uk/cyan-holdings-plc/cyan/advanced-metering-infrastructure-pilot/201212240700112190U/?fe=1&utm_source=FE%20Investegate%20Alerts&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=Announcement%20Alert%20Mail&utm_campaign=Cyan%20Holdings%20Plc%20Alert (http://www.investegate.co.uk/cyan-holdings-plc/cyan/advanced-metering-infrastructure-pilot/201212240700112190U/?fe=1&utm_source=FE%20Investegate%20Alerts&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=Announcement%20Alert%20Mail&utm_campaign=Cyan%20Holdings%20Plc%20Alert)

The summary being they are taking part in an AMI pilot and for the TNEB and fulfillment of May's metering order everything will happen next year, so have patience.

yep, price drifting because of short term investors. Same happening at BLVN & XEL. people not happy to wait 1-3 or 6 months.
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on January 10, 2013, 09:08:52 AM
http://www.google.co.uk/finance?q=LON:XEL (http://www.google.co.uk/finance?q=LON:XEL)

XEL on the rise again, back at 105 and will hopefully keep moving up to the next target SP.
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Post by: Eggtastico on March 05, 2013, 08:02:51 AM
might be beers time soon.
XEL, CYAN & BLVN all due news.. good news!
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Post by: zpyder on March 05, 2013, 08:39:49 AM
I was wondering what was happening with Cyan, as their little rise has slowly been lowering over the last few months...
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Post by: Eggtastico on March 05, 2013, 09:12:34 AM
I was wondering what was happening with Cyan, as their little rise has slowly been lowering over the last few months...
Fun & games of AIM - Directors took shares in lieu of payment late last week & the price went up 15% yesterday!
They are expecting the big news soon.
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on March 05, 2013, 11:06:44 AM
Yep, I've been very close to topping up when its dropped back below 0.6 but not really got the spare readies to.
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Post by: Eggtastico on March 06, 2013, 09:50:38 AM
beer time with BLVN
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Post by: Adrock on March 06, 2013, 10:00:42 AM
How do you reckon cyan is looking then?

I've got some money I may be able to invest. Been watching along with you guys and want to get involved.
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on March 06, 2013, 10:26:19 AM
You've just missed a big dip in prices which is a shame, but assuming good news is on it's way even at this price you still stand to make a very tidy return. The lack of news is making it seem very volatile but actually its not, it would be nicer if it were trending upwards but you might be able to get a very good price. Results of the TNEB tender are long overdue and that's what we are waiting for, although there are other pies they have their fingers in that make it a good long term I'd say don't leave it too long to make a decision.
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Post by: Adrock on March 06, 2013, 16:20:12 PM
Who do you guys trade with? I'm looking at only doing the cyan trade if I do and then selling if they increase.

Also, when you say long term, what do you reckon? 6 months? A year?
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on March 06, 2013, 17:54:30 PM
At least a year. Even if Cyan goes through the roof I may not sell straight away. They plan to add a SaaS revenue stream in the form of a monthly per meter user fee as well as annual maintenance and licenses. They have a number of other potential contracts in India and China, including M2M communications which they are really pushing:

Quote
"Geoff Sarney, previously VP Strategy, will now be carrying out a different role for the Company. For the past few months Geoff has been working on positioning Cyan within a global consortium which aims to provide an eco-system Machine-2-Machine ("M2M") solution to utilities worldwide. The consortium has now approached Geoff to head up this group on a full time basis. The members of the consortium have not yet been publicly revealed, but will include Tier 1 international companies."

The potential for M2M alone is massive, CYAN could become very big fish indeed if all goes well.

I'm trading via SVS Securities purely because they are cheap and had a good offer on when I signed up. Halifax are just as good as anyone else though, I believe Matt uses them.
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Post by: DEViANCE on March 06, 2013, 19:51:15 PM
Have I missed the boat with any of this? Got a few spare coins ATM.
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Post by: Adrock on March 06, 2013, 20:18:27 PM
I think if Cyan, from my understanding, hit the big contracts they look to be well in contention for they could end up with a much bigger price. Not entirely sure what kind of price but definitely a sizeable increase. I'm trying to convince the missus at the moment to let me spend some money on it.
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on March 06, 2013, 22:50:44 PM
Have I missed the boat with any of this? Got a few spare coins ATM.

No, the price has gone up from the low point it was at before Christmas, but it's still cheap to get in and looks set to break a penny easily on good news, you could double what you put in.
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Post by: Eggtastico on March 08, 2013, 14:23:17 PM
If you wonder what an order for cyan can do... Just go look at tps. 150% rise yesterday & another 150% rise today.
on a $3.5m contract order.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Dave on March 08, 2013, 20:45:21 PM
I'm trading via SVS Securities purely because they are cheap and had a good offer on when I signed up.

Just out of interest... I noticed they have an advisory service - have you ever received calls from them offering advice/free research reports as a result of buying AIM stocks?

Obviously I don't expect that any of you guys would have taken them up on that sort of thing but I am curious as to whether they do sales calls to people with execution only accounts - I only ask as they appear to have a few characters working there who've got employment history at some, shall we say, 'colourful' firms...

In general I'll just throw it out there to the thread in general that taking advice from *any* broker is a bit pointless under most circumstances and potentially rather damaging if it concerns small cap stocks and/or any leveraged products such as CFDs etc...
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Post by: Dave on March 08, 2013, 20:47:37 PM
If you wonder what an order for cyan can do... Just go look at tps. 150% rise yesterday & another 150% rise today.
on a $3.5m contract order.

TPS - what do they do? Reports and stuff?


:D
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on March 08, 2013, 22:06:37 PM
I'm trading via SVS Securities purely because they are cheap and had a good offer on when I signed up.

Just out of interest... I noticed they have an advisory service - have you ever received calls from them offering advice/free research reports as a result of buying AIM stocks?

Obviously I don't expect that any of you guys would have taken them up on that sort of thing but I am curious as to whether they do sales calls to people with execution only accounts - I only ask as they appear to have a few characters working there who've got employment history at some, shall we say, 'colourful' firms...

In general I'll just throw it out there to the thread in general that taking advice from *any* broker is a bit pointless under most circumstances and potentially rather damaging if it concerns small cap stocks and/or any leveraged products such as CFDs etc...

I've not had a single cause for complaint with them, I've never had any phonecalls or anything like that, but having said that my landline is permanently unplugged :)
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Post by: matt5cott on March 08, 2013, 22:40:24 PM
x-o are a decent broker, £5.95 per trade, if you want a 5k credit line use sharedealactive, both ran by Jarvis.
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Post by: matt5cott on March 14, 2013, 15:38:28 PM
http://timelesswealth.net/articles/deadly_art_of_stock_manipulation.html
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Dave on March 15, 2013, 20:45:15 PM
Quote
RULE NUMBER ONE:

ALL SHARP PRICE MOVEMENTS -- WHETHER UP OR DOWN --ARE THE RESULT OF ONE OR MORE (USUALLY A GROUP OF) PROFESSIONALS MANIPULATING THE SHARE PRICE.

sounds like an interesting conspiracy... the capital letters almost convinced me....
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Post by: Sam on March 15, 2013, 21:42:14 PM
Quote
RULE NUMBER ONE:

ALL SHARP PRICE MOVEMENTS -- WHETHER UP OR DOWN --ARE THE RESULT OF ONE OR MORE (USUALLY A GROUP OF) PROFESSIONALS MANIPULATING THE SHARE PRICE.

sounds like an interesting conspiracy... the capital letters almost convinced me....
Lol.

I have this system dave. It makes you a fortune on the markets.

But rather than use it and retire a billionaire, I'm going to sell it. For ten pounds.
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Post by: Adrock on March 16, 2013, 11:50:31 AM
Thats very good of you Sam, where do I send my payment?
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Post by: matt5cott on March 16, 2013, 19:04:17 PM
If I buy 4 can I have 4 billion?
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Post by: Dave on March 16, 2013, 19:44:18 PM
Quote
RULE NUMBER ONE:

ALL SHARP PRICE MOVEMENTS -- WHETHER UP OR DOWN --ARE THE RESULT OF ONE OR MORE (USUALLY A GROUP OF) PROFESSIONALS MANIPULATING THE SHARE PRICE.

sounds like an interesting conspiracy... the capital letters almost convinced me....
Lol.

I have this system dave. It makes you a fortune on the markets.

But rather than use it and retire a billionaire, I'm going to sell it. For ten pounds.

:D

Thing is people fall for this stuff all the time... same with the boiler room type operations - if the stock is that good why on earth are they trying to hard to sell it to you. Ditto to these advisory CFD places - supposedly they can make you money trading a leveraged product over a short time frame...  if they actually could do that then why not register as a CTA and start managing funds instead of making sales calls to retail punters...
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on April 08, 2013, 07:24:29 AM
Big news RNS for XEL today, basically more than doubled their expectations of volume for oil drilling:

http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/reserves-assessment-on-the-bentley-field-tsx-xel-1775895.htm (http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/reserves-assessment-on-the-bentley-field-tsx-xel-1775895.htm)

Hopefully SP will have shot through the roof by the end of today.
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Post by: Dave on April 09, 2013, 14:51:53 PM
any of you guys got an interactive brokers account?

been a while since I did much in the way of active investing/trading as my last bunch of savings I blew on a flat deposit - they used to be quite good back in the day so wondering what people's experiences of them are like now

am looking at opening an account in a month or two with a US broker for futures and quite fancy taking a look at US equities too IB might well be the way to go for that as I could also build up a UK equities portfolio and they offer CFDs on UK equities (proper ones not some parallel market, spread betting-esq nonsense) so rather useful for the odd short term punt too....
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Post by: Sam on April 09, 2013, 17:16:55 PM
I did. But I hated them. Didn't really trust them. They were good for trading small QTY of shares tho as they price per share and not for a trade. So 2 apple would be way cheaper with them. But then conversely if you bought 10000000 of a sh*t penny you're paying a lot more.

I use etrade in the US, have a TD account in the US too, and cap spreads + HL here.
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Post by: Sam on April 09, 2013, 17:17:43 PM
Also you don't need US broker for futures, why not just use a reputable spreader (lol oxymoronic ish). I can trade from 11pm Sunday to 9:15 Friday uninterrputed with 1pt spread.
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Post by: Dave on April 09, 2013, 21:13:51 PM
Was thinking about TD too (well TOS really but TD now own them) - the thing with IB was that I liked the idea of having a whole range of products available though I've read some very mixed reviews about their customer service which I'm not sure is just because they've got a big client base and perhaps aren't engaging in any hand holding with inexperienced clients or because they're just generally a bit patchy with picking up the phone and resolving genuine issues. Did you ever have to contact them via phone regarding anything?
The smart routing bit put me off too - they don't really advertise their options market making operation (timber hill) on the website but I do wonder if another use of smart routing thing isn't just to match two clients (get them both a better price and dodge any clearing/exchange fees) or get the best price for clients across diff venues but also whether its used to channel orders to any of their market makers needing to hedge deltas as and when required. The other thing is that if you did end up looking at options strategies then you could end up in the situation where you're taking positions which aren't beneficial to them and its generally a good idea IMO to avoid conflicts of interest.

Re: spread betting- my opinion on it is just that it is OK if you want to take a directional punt over the course of  say a day or two

If you're looking at a short intra day time frame and trading futures spreads then the costs are way too high - you *have* to cross the spread for a start... no getting a good queue position and buying at the bid etc...
(there are plenty of other issues unique to SB firms too tbh... which are a result of the inherent conflicts of interest involved in running a parallel market)

UK brokers are either expensive or are arcade type set ups aimed at people doing this full time and so expect rather high volume (plus they've got their own agendas re: how they load on software costs, wanting a % cut of PnL (typically 10%)for allowing greater leverage. US FCMs are happy to offer lower than exchange margins as standard and have fairly reasonable RT costs even if not doing tens of thousands of RTs a month.

I'd also like to try automating a few tools and be able to pull some data into R so some sort of API or FIX connection is going to be required.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Sam on April 09, 2013, 21:55:34 PM
No way are you doing enough volume / cost to make the spread on a SB a factor. 1 pip on FTSE is neither here nor there. I have 150/pt short on the SP right now and even that's tiny tiny volume.
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Post by: Dave on April 09, 2013, 22:15:57 PM
its a big cost across a short time frame irrespective of clip size... its not necessarily anything to do with doing huge volume either... it can be a big cost simply trading 1 lot.
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Post by: Sam on April 10, 2013, 07:40:02 AM
Maybe we're talking about different things, but how is 1pt spread going to make much difference to you on the FTSE say ?
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Post by: Dave on April 10, 2013, 10:03:36 AM
Am on the train now so can't give a detailed example but essentially the Pnl per round turn for what I'd be doing is less than the value of a full tick so adding a spread of 1 tick means I'd lose money.

For a simple example consider a small scalper trading 1 lot if we assume he enters or exits via limit orders 50% of the time then he's essentially not paying the half tick spread. Say he does 50 round turns across the course of a day - we'll be generous and assume £2 per rt - placing the same number of bets at an SB firm costs £8 extra per trade... 50 trades across the day and that's £400 more he's got to make.
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Post by: Sam on April 10, 2013, 10:58:16 AM
Yeah but you're not going to be scalping at home are you. Or do you just want to lose money :)
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Post by: Dave on April 10, 2013, 11:04:39 AM
No I'd want to be spreading like I said before - the scalping example was just an example. Point is costs are too high.
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Post by: Sam on April 10, 2013, 13:10:52 PM
Too high for scalping. Not too high for doing a bit of trading in your bedroom. That's my point.
Or maybe I underestimate how much you're putting in. Perhaps you bought a bit coin yesterday and sold it today.
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Post by: Dave on April 10, 2013, 21:09:55 PM
haha no - haven't taken a punt on bitcoins... I still reckon you should find a way to short them at some point though :D

Size you're trading doesn't matter too much - costs can still be high - I wouldn't be opening a particularly big account, wouldn't be scalping but I also wouldn't be taking directional punts rather I'd need to be able to execute orders across two or more products... so really need to be able to join the queue and wait for a fill on at least one leg or have resting limit orders further up and down the ladder. bund/bobl/schatz in the morning maybe US treasuries in the evening... pnl per round turn is going to be less than the value a tick - they're way way too efficient and so adding an extra spread which *has* to be crossed would make it pretty much unfeasible to even attempt to profit.

Spread betting is fine for the odd punt... as you do have a whole variety of markets to chose from - if you're going to be betting on some stock one week an index then next, maybe some commodities etc.. then great.  If you're systematically trying to 'trade' a particular product even over a few days its still very dependent on your average pnl per round turn or per bet... going back to the FTSE example say you were trading a similar size in GBP there as you had on yesterday in the S&P/ES - assume 10 lots for example perhaps, say you placed 10 bets across the course of a month... that's still £800 a month extra in costs or £9,600 across the year (and that is being generous assuming execution of market orders, stop orders etc.. are going to be the same and the spread isn't going to get skewed against you). For that to be worth while you'd have to have otherwise had a capital gains tax liability of greater than those costs of £9600 - assume a CGT rate of 28% on amounts above £10,600... a profit of £44,885 would leave you with a CGT liability of £9600 and a net Pnl of £35,285

So at a spread betting firm @£100 a point - over 120 trades across a year you'd therefore need to have made greater than £35,285 for the tax advantages of spread betting to outweigh the extra costs - this isn't necessarily unfeasible. So in that scenario it might be worth while for some people such as yourself- for most people though it likely isn't.

The majority of clients of the firm you're using trade at £3-£5 a point so the tax benefits are unlikely to apply... but they still have to put up with the higher costs (then again they're trading at a size less than the tick size of 1 lot). I guess the other scenario where its useful is where you're unable to fund an account to trade equities or futures etc..

Obviously decrease the frequency of the trades/bets while increasing the amount of pnl per trade and the costs become less significant... increase the frequency of trades/bets and you get to the scalping scenario from earlier @10 lots you'd be looking at £4000 a day in costs to overcome there so basically impossible/blow the account up in a matter of a few days. Then again there are finance charges to contend with too when increasing the time frame.

So yeah I do agree that they have some use - basically for people who are taking a few directional punts over a few days which - presumably what you did yesterday with that S&P short etc.. the tax advantage is there if you're very good at that - I don't think I'd be good enough personally which is why I'm not looking at forecasting/taking directional bets. A lot of people who do that sort of thing tend to have fairly hefty swings in their pnl too and the small sample size of trades mean its going to take a while to really establish if any positive pnl can be attributed to a particular edge or whether its just the result of variance/noise.
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Post by: Sam on April 10, 2013, 21:21:53 PM
So yeah I do agree that they have some use - basically for people who are taking a few directional punts over a few days which - presumably what you did yesterday with that S&P short etc.. the tax advantage is there if you're very good at that

Wasn't in that too long. Am back short now though AH.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Dave on April 10, 2013, 21:24:20 PM
was about to say.... hope you got out of it before what happened today...
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Sam on April 10, 2013, 21:34:42 PM
Bit mad now, market's gone insane.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on April 19, 2013, 09:42:07 AM
BLVN RNS
Market is Bear atm, when it turns Bull its going to gush.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: zpyder on April 19, 2013, 21:02:43 PM
What are the thoughts on Cyan and the constant dilution of the shares? Is it a way of them not paying their staff, instead of bonuses give them shares...or is it them loading the shares in anticipation of them increasing significantly.

It seems every week I get at least one email saying they've issued another million shares to their directors. not sure what to make of it other than it seems to be keeping the share price fairly stable.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on April 19, 2013, 22:49:28 PM
Its both really, it seems. If I was working for the company and expecting it to go boom soon I'd want the shares too.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Sam on April 20, 2013, 22:51:53 PM
BLVN RNS
Market is Bear atm, when it turns Bull its going to gush.

BEAR ? You mad f**k. Market is the most bullish been in years. Had a slight pullback this week and the rest of the year been just silly bullish.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Sam on April 20, 2013, 22:59:28 PM
was about to say.... hope you got out of it before what happened today...

Did you like my short at the highs? Few k there. Long DAX now.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Dave on April 21, 2013, 01:01:23 AM
was about to say.... hope you got out of it before what happened today...

Did you like my short at the highs? Few k there. Long DAX now.

I wouldn't personally want to hold a position overnight let alone over a weekend....

Still if you were short on the 11th then I guess you caught a nice move over the following couple of days.... Out of interest - have you ever looked at prospreads? - its run by the same parent company as capital spreads and might be more suitable for the sort of size you're trading... its basically DMA (albeit with a few 'features' that mean it isn't quite) but you'd get tighter spreads & still retain the tax advantages... while removing some conflicts of interest.

Costs are bit higher than with a regular FCM but if you're holding over a few days and making rather a lot as you seem to be then it's probably a good option in comparison given the tax advantage.
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Post by: Eggtastico on April 21, 2013, 09:25:09 AM
BLVN RNS
Market is Bear atm, when it turns Bull its going to gush.

BEAR ? You mad f**k. Market is the most bullish been in years. Had a slight pullback this week and the rest of the year been just silly bullish.

AIM is bear. Lots of good news the last week & little movement. Go look at XEL 135 back in october, release news that they have double the oil than they first thought & its still barely over a quid, when it should be two. BLVN very much the same and qute a few more I can think of.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on April 21, 2013, 09:25:55 AM
What are the thoughts on Cyan and the constant dilution of the shares? Is it a way of them not paying their staff, instead of bonuses give them shares...or is it them loading the shares in anticipation of them increasing significantly.

It seems every week I get at least one email saying they've issued another million shares to their directors. not sure what to make of it other than it seems to be keeping the share price fairly stable.

Bit of both, company seems to be a bit skint & all its eggs in the one basket for TNEB. If they win the tender, then all good. If they lose it, then its prob bye bye to the company.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on April 21, 2013, 11:18:17 AM
They have a lot going on China too with areas like M2M as well but I agree with egg, the TNEB will be make or break for them (and those of us holding shares).
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Sam on April 21, 2013, 15:14:14 PM
BLVN RNS
Market is Bear atm, when it turns Bull its going to gush.

BEAR ? You mad f**k. Market is the most bullish been in years. Had a slight pullback this week and the rest of the year been just silly bullish.

AIM is bear. Lots of good news the last week & little movement. Go look at XEL 135 back in october, release news that they have double the oil than they first thought & its still barely over a quid, when it should be two. BLVN very much the same and qute a few more I can think of.

AIM doesn't work like the real markets. It's for gamble stocks like oil prospectors. You're not buying into a trend or following sentiment. You're buying stocks that you hope hit the jackpot (oil find, Indian deal, etc) or ones that you have knowledge on that the rest of the market doesn't yet.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Sam on April 21, 2013, 15:16:03 PM
was about to say.... hope you got out of it before what happened today...

Did you like my short at the highs? Few k there. Long DAX now.

I wouldn't personally want to hold a position overnight let alone over a weekend....

Still if you were short on the 11th then I guess you caught a nice move over the following couple of days.... Out of interest - have you ever looked at prospreads? - its run by the same parent company as capital spreads and might be more suitable for the sort of size you're trading... its basically DMA (albeit with a few 'features' that mean it isn't quite) but you'd get tighter spreads & still retain the tax advantages... while removing some conflicts of interest.

Costs are bit higher than with a regular FCM but if you're holding over a few days and making rather a lot as you seem to be then it's probably a good option in comparison given the tax advantage.

Yeah I was short over last weekend and into this week. But as I say long DAX now. I don't know how much you think I put on or trade but saying a few pips here and there will make no difference to me. I have 5/pt long DAX, avg 7482. Will sell this week if it breaks 7550 or dump if it breaks 7420 on a broader US move down. How much will I save at Prospreads?
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Dave on April 21, 2013, 15:50:57 PM
Whether its worth it depends on how frequently you trade and at what size... if you were regularly trading the S&P at the size mentioned in your previous post then it might be worth it... if you're trading at less than the size of 1 lot in the underlying as per your Dax position then not really feasible. Was just a suggestion as you're using that company anyway.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Sam on April 21, 2013, 17:53:31 PM
Whether its worth it depends on how frequently you trade and at what size... if you were regularly trading the S&P at the size mentioned in your previous post then it might be worth it... if you're trading at less than the size of 1 lot in the underlying as per your Dax position then not really feasible. Was just a suggestion as you're using that company anyway.

I Appreciate the advice anyway :)
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Post by: Sam on April 25, 2013, 08:11:16 AM
Out DAX 7785. 300pt gain.
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Post by: Sam on April 25, 2013, 08:11:34 AM
Am back short SP small position 50/pt.
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Post by: Dave on April 25, 2013, 12:48:12 PM
Out DAX 7785. 300pt gain.

nice :)

thought you were getting out at 7550? Decided to let it ride?
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Post by: Sam on April 25, 2013, 13:14:06 PM
I wasn't quick enough !!!
I blinked and it exploded.
up 400pts in 4 days.
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Post by: Sam on April 25, 2013, 13:14:47 PM
down 5pts on my SP short mind. So that's not ideal. Will cut if it breaks 1599.
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Post by: matt5cott on April 29, 2013, 16:23:41 PM
Cyan is Flyan, news imminent perhaps
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Post by: Eggtastico on April 29, 2013, 17:25:29 PM
Cyan is Flyan, news imminent perhaps

hopefully!!!!!
Theres been no news from last weeks summit & then asked to present a presentation at the last minute!!!
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on April 29, 2013, 22:16:19 PM
I thought the big jump today was down to India approving a load of held up projects, guess I best do some more reading. Early morning RNS due perhaps?
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Post by: Eggtastico on April 30, 2013, 08:28:28 AM
I thought the big jump today was down to India approving a load of held up projects, guess I best do some more reading. Early morning RNS due perhaps?

yes, that has a lot to do with it. Takes any significant delays out of the picture. Also Japan are investing into TNEB to build more energy stations - though it looks to be more wind/solar.
They suffered a 2 hour power cut last week because of no wind to turn their farms.
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Post by: zpyder on June 04, 2013, 15:54:44 PM
Still waiting on Cyan, though the AGM is later this month?
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on June 04, 2013, 16:03:15 PM
Still waiting on Cyan, though the AGM is later this month?

yes.
end of the month.
Director buys today as well.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on June 05, 2013, 01:02:02 AM
Price back up again, swings and roundabouts as usual :) Hopefully there'll be a nice birthday treat for me courtesy of CYAN if there's good news on the TNEB tenure at the AGM.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Pete on June 07, 2013, 15:24:20 PM
Has anyone looked at things like nutmeg.com? I've got 2k I need to squirrel away but i dont want it in the bank cos I'll spend it... I'm thinking either a fund like nutmeg or put it in premium bonds.

Are penny shares a short term thing? I'm thinking 2k in a bunch of fragile companies would be crazy.
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Post by: Adrock on June 07, 2013, 17:18:58 PM
If you dont wanna risk the money then I'd consider premium bonds for the £2000, can take it out whenever you want and you might also win a prize. I think with current interest rates the amount being paid out isn't too good.




Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: XEntity on June 10, 2013, 20:31:24 PM
You'd be better off in an ISA than in premium bonds, as your odds of actually earning "interest" is crap, money saving expert has some info about premium bonds.

If you are looking for some fast money, then you would need to take a riskier option, but obviously at higher risk :)
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on June 11, 2013, 08:17:28 AM
If you can't afford to lose the money then an ISA is the obvious choice IMO, only put some money into shares if you really feel strongly about the company and don't just go off the backs of posts here, as the risk is great. CYAN is doing well again at the moment but it's been at a low point for some time and could all still come crashing down.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: zpyder on June 11, 2013, 08:52:28 AM
I need them to climb just a little bit higher and then I'll be back in profit.

I had an original £300 to put into shares, and bought & sold another lot of shares prior to Cyan. Didn't lose any money except the £12.50 fee either way.

Currently my Cyan shares are valued at about £307, so I just need to make another £5 to cover the sell £12.50 fee, and anything else is profit ><
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on June 11, 2013, 09:13:53 AM
I'm up £400 at the moment, I don't think I've ever been below my purchase price too. The actual gain % would be higher if I hadn't topped up at higher rates.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: zpyder on June 11, 2013, 09:22:54 AM
if I'd just bought in to cyan to start with, if be up £30, which I guess is the equivalent of 10% on a £300 investment :)

how much do you have invested if you don't mind saying?

Sent from my phone.

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Post by: Pete on June 11, 2013, 12:32:36 PM
Hehe, I just remembered about 7 years ago I opened a fantasy trading account  -

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ALBA 10,103 9.75p 0.15p £15.15 £-969.89 
BP. 808 614.50p 457.40p £3,695.79 £-1,269.37  
GGG 6,254 15.75p 24.50p £1,532.23 £547.23 
DGO 2,942 168.75p 605.00p £17,799.10 £12,834.48 
ERE 6,769 29.25p 12.25p £829.20 £-1,150.73   
EUM 2,189 45.00p 45.00p £985.05 £0.00 
EVE 15,154 6.50p 1.00p £151.54 £-833.47  
GETM 10,945 9.00p 140.00p £15,323.00 £14,337.95 
HSBA 1,000 946.50p 683.20p £6,832.00 £-2,633.00   
ISAT 1,419 349.75p 630.50p £8,946.80 £3,983.84 
MDS 5,472 18.00p 19.00p £1,039.68 £54.72 
MWLM 424 232.25p 232.25p £984.74 £0.00 
NLG 757 130.00p 121.00p £915.97 £-68.13   
PMCI 9,610 10.25p 12.00p £1,153.20 £168.18 
QQ. 567 173.50p 182.60p £1,035.34 £51.60 
SLI 3,664 135.50p 56.25p £2,061.00 £-2,903.72 
TXO 50,924 9.75p 0.15p £76.39 £-4,888.70 
TCU 228,089 1.30p 1.00p £2,280.89 £-684.27 
UBR 3,321 149.50p 128.25p £4,259.18 £-705.71 
ULVR 83 1,175.00p 2,625.00p £2,178.75 £1,203.50 
VEL 6,620 75.00p 1,000.00p £66,200.00 £61,235.00   
VOD 4,289 115.75p 191.70p £8,222.01 £3,257.50 

VEL is an error - think the price is around .33 at the moment.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on June 11, 2013, 13:57:14 PM
if I'd just bought in to cyan to start with, if be up £30, which I guess is the equivalent of 10% on a £300 investment :)

how much do you have invested if you don't mind saying?

£995 / 200,000 shares and no plans to buy more now.

Gain is now down to £370 since the s/p has dipped this afternoon :)
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: zpyder on June 11, 2013, 15:18:46 PM
That's impressive. I guess as well if I'd bought cyan when people first said, the price would have been about a 1/4 less than I paid. I bought in when they were near one of their peaks from last year :(

EDIT:

Just looked at  ASOS's price.

If I'd have kept that initial investment 10 years ago, £300 would have paid off £300 000 !

Price has doubled since this time last year also. Should have just bought back into ASOS instead of CYAN!
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on June 11, 2013, 17:09:54 PM
You could say that about so many companies though, hindsight is great like that. If you want long term-investments and have some good capital look at the companies people like Warren Buffet invest in, big pharmas, Coca Cola, etc. Companies that are huge, known globally and for whom you can be pretty certain the prices will only head upwards for. Co's that pay good dividends too, Intel are a great investment, I'll be putting my CYAN proceeds into them. ASOS could have been a risk still even last year, the way the economy is.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Sam on June 11, 2013, 21:03:30 PM
In the time you've all been dreaming about Cyan going to $1000 a share, every other "proper" share on the market has rising more.

Lets go back a year since that's when it seems Cyan were "about to release an RNS". If you had put 1000 pound into an index tracker, you'd be up 25% with zero risk.

So yeah, nice going on the penny stocks.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on June 11, 2013, 21:13:29 PM
But that's the point isn't it, you can't tell what's going to happen. If you could you'd be rich too. You can either invest in riskier stocks or play it safe with the big multinationals.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Sam on June 11, 2013, 21:40:20 PM
But that's the point isn't it, you can't tell what's going to happen. If you could you'd be rich too. You can either invest in riskier stocks or play it safe with the big multinationals.

I don't get what you're saying back to me.

What I'm saying is, any gains in Cyan (that may happen as early as tomorrow or might never happen at all) will be what you could have had in things that are about as risk free as you can get. You can sit about for a year or 10 waiting for a penny stock to explode, when generally they won't despite what someone's uncle's best friend told them at the pub about their secret oil field, or you can invest in JNJ and watch it gain 10% every year on average with dividends.

When you're 30 you're in it for the long haul. Buffet started with nothing. He didn't get 50bn by gambling on oil fields and such. (I actually think Cyan is ok tbh, it's all these daft penny oil stocks that make me laugh).
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on June 12, 2013, 07:03:28 AM
I don't know whether when talk of shares has come up before, I mentioned my dabbling back at college.

Back in 2004 or so I had £300 of birthday money I decided to invest. I saw a company called As Seen on Screen, and thought it was a movie memorabilia company. They were like 4p a share so I opted to get a load of them, thinking they were so low it could only go up.

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=ASC.L#symbol=asc.l;range=my;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;

6 months later I sold them for £600. I kept £300 and reinvested the other £300, which didn't do too well.

Every now and again I check to see how ASOS are doing. if I'd have kept the shares for another 6-12 months I'd have made a few thousand pounds from my £300 investment.

I just checked again, and unless my maths is wonky, I'd have made £112500 from that £300.

Ouch :(

Have you seen ASOS these days? £40+ a share
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Dave on June 12, 2013, 16:14:31 PM
Whats the spread typically on CYAN?

I'm just wondering because if you were holding in anticipation of a particular event happening at some particular point in time (this announcement that was supposed to be due a few months ago) then I'd be inclined to say that (if feasible) I'd want to buy before the event and either cash out if it happened or sell and move the money into something else if it didn't. I think there are always going to be positive rumours for most penny stocks on bulletin boards etc... as a lot of the people out there holding them are going to be reading any news reports with rose tinted glasses and disseminating all the positive information they can find in order to reassure themselves. The issue is that people are holding them and continually waiting for this next thing that is going to occur in a few weeks time... if they go up in price then that's a great thing whoo will be even more money when the thing occurs... if they fall XX% then omg I can't believe it they're a bargain now... maybe I should add to my position... they're going to fly regardless when the thing occurs....

Its probably better to invest in a few AIM companies if taking that approach (though this isn't as feasible if investing tiny amounts due to costs)...

As far as taking a punt on CYAN is concerned I'd be inclined to not get emotional about it - if you think X is going to happen on Y date... I'd speculate on it on that basis... if nothing happens at that date then I'd be inclined to sell and look at something else... obviously keeping an eye on it still and appreciating that it might still fly to some ridiculous price after you've sold but so will other penny stocks you're not invested in.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on June 12, 2013, 16:29:17 PM
I'm not too worried about the risk, as I bought in at a low price and its held relatively high. I'm not in on any other AIMs at the moment, I think the rest are mostly sh*te. The plan is to cash out of CYAN if it does go boom and put that into something long on the NASDAQ. I think those of us in it only anticipated being in CYAN for a short time as the TNEB tenure was supposed to be done and dusted ages ago, it has dragged on and on and on, but as I say to Sam every time he asks me why I haven't pulled my money out and invested elsewhere its because no doubt the moment I do they will make an announcement and I'd kick myself, so I'm holding on either way. If its bad news hopefully I can sell out and still be in profit before it comes crashing right down.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: zpyder on June 12, 2013, 21:19:30 PM
Only reason I'm holding is I only put a very small amount in to start with. At small volumes the fee for trading soon becomes a big tax on any returns. The £300 I put in I wrote off at the start.  If it dwindles to nothing so be it. If it stays level I'll be happy.  And if I can make more money in the long term than I would have if it was in an isa, even better!

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Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Sam on June 14, 2013, 17:54:02 PM
appreciating that it might still fly to some ridiculous price after you've sold but so will other penny stocks you're not invested in.

That's a really good way to look at it.

Kick yourself for selling a stock then it doubles. Why not kick yourself when a stock you could have bought but didn't doubles?
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on June 14, 2013, 19:44:13 PM
That makes no sense though, if you don't own a stock you are not 'in it to win it' you might as well start wishing you had invested in every company in existence, or to make a similar analogy, buying every scratchard and lottery ticket in existence.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on June 15, 2013, 08:31:12 AM
but thats why people invest in penny stocks - hoping to be the next big thing. Like Asos, who would known when they was less than 5p that 10 years later they be worth £40
TPS only a few months ago saw gains of nearly 1000% - they are still under 1p to buy though! cant look at it as prices. You gotta look at it as a percentage profit/loss.

Thing with penny stocks at that low end is a small movement = a large %
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Sam on June 16, 2013, 20:45:52 PM
That makes no sense though, if you don't own a stock you are not 'in it to win it' you might as well start wishing you had invested in every company in existence, or to make a similar analogy, buying every scratchard and lottery ticket in existence.

Makes as much sense as getting annoyed if you sell something and then it goes up later on.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: zpyder on June 17, 2013, 08:38:32 AM
Wouldn't say I am annoyed as much as I am surprised. Those shares were the first ever ones I ever bought. It was the "testing of the water" by a complete financial novice. You hear about people that had MS shares and sold early, and think "that'll never happen again though", and wham, your first attempt at the stock market *could* have been a success.

Not annoyed, surprised at the jammy luck I had. I still doubled my money, as a first time buyer!
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on June 17, 2013, 13:13:50 PM
Dont they say if you bought $100 in mcdonalds all them years ago & took all theoptions, etc.
You would now be one of the majority share holders?
Thats what penny shares are about. Ivest in something cheaply that has a strong product with an emerging technology.
Smart meters for example is potentially huge. Gas, electric, water, then seperate them into lighting, etc.
Bio techs are another & for the short term, even housing in the uk - i bought mar for 3.5p back in march & sold out today for 10.5p
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Sam on June 17, 2013, 16:55:14 PM
Dont they say if you bought $100 in mcdonalds all them years ago & took all theoptions, etc.
You would now be one of the majority share holders?

Don't know if that is true, I highly doubt that you could have got into mcdonalds for pennies and be the majority shareholder. Why would Mr Mcdonald sell off half his company for 100 quid ? Makes no sense.

But in general ...

Thats what penny shares are about. Ivest in something cheaply that has a strong product with an emerging technology.

... that can have rewards. Apple $5 etc.

Smart meters for example is potentially huge. Gas, electric, water, then seperate them into lighting, etc.

This is where people who buy pennies and people who don't disagree. You know nothing about smart meters other than what you read on the internet. Well gosh dammit, I'm gonna invest in the rapture, 2nd coming of Jesus, and aliens.

Most pennys are what we call pump n dump. Get rumours on the internet to get their prices up, then dump.

It's no coincidence all the rich investors have been in KO GE JNJ IBM etc for years.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on June 17, 2013, 17:28:26 PM
Everyone has to start somewhere though, if you only have £1k to play with you're not going to get rich dumping it into IBM and watching it climb 10 points in ten years, the big stocks are not the big movers. If you've got lots of money the big stocks are no-brainers though, as your risk is low but you're getting a more or less guaranteed [smaller] reward. I do agree totally that 90% of the AIMs are pump + dump sh*te, or end up going nowhere on the rumour mill. My optimism cap tells me CYAN isn't one of them :tinhat:
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: M3ta7h3ad on June 17, 2013, 18:17:04 PM
Everyone has to start somewhere though, if you only have £1k to play with you're not going to get rich dumping it into IBM and watching it climb 10 points in ten years, the big stocks are not the big movers. If you've got lots of money the big stocks are no-brainers though, as your risk is low but you're getting a more or less guaranteed [smaller] reward. I do agree totally that 90% of the AIMs are pump + dump sh*te, or end up going nowhere on the rumour mill. My optimism cap tells me CYAN isn't one of them :tinhat:

I made 5k+ holding shares in my employers firm. Their buyout doubled the share price overnight.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on June 17, 2013, 18:33:48 PM
Exactly. No one one is going to buyout Apple/IBM
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on June 17, 2013, 19:50:02 PM

This is where people who buy pennies and people who don't disagree. You know nothing about smart meters other than what you read on the internet. Well gosh dammit, I'm gonna invest in the rapture, 2nd coming of Jesus, and aliens.

Most pennys are what we call pump n dump. Get rumours on the internet to get their prices up, then dump.

It's no coincidence all the rich investors have been in KO GE JNJ IBM etc for years.
Actually i do... My cousin worked for cyan & wrote a bulk of the coding before moving on to a global player.
Uk energy sector relies on people submitting meter readings & switching suppliers. India for example is still state owned with all sort of problems in losing revenue through theft.
The upbeat about cyan is their technolgy is 1/4 the price of its competitor. Average electricity bill in india for example is $10 - the cyan cylec chip is $7. Estimates loss because of poor infastructure & theft is about 30% on average.

It could quite easily rise 2-3p if the news is positive & easily be gobbled up by a tech giant for a relative small T/O price for the technology they aquire.
This is one if the companies that came out of the world renowned cambride associates program.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on June 17, 2013, 19:53:57 PM
http://www.aboutmcdonalds.com/mcd/investors/stock_information/stock_split.html (http://www.aboutmcdonalds.com/mcd/investors/stock_information/stock_split.html)


Since going public in 1965, McDonald's has executed twelve stock splits. In fact, an investment of $2,250 in 100 shares at that time has grown to 74,360 shares worth approximately $6.6 million as of market close on December 31, 2012.



Wallmart if you invested $5k (well your parents) that stock would now be worth $100m


Each microsoft share that cost $[size=78%]21 at its ipo is now worth $10k[/size]

http://www.microsoft.com/investor/Downloads/Stock%20Information/IPOROIcalc.xls (http://www.microsoft.com/investor/Downloads/Stock%20Information/IPOROIcalc.xls)
Todays share price is nearer $35 not $25


£5k in asos 10 years ago= £5m today?
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Sam on June 17, 2013, 23:43:56 PM
http://www.aboutmcdonalds.com/mcd/investors/stock_information/stock_split.html (http://www.aboutmcdonalds.com/mcd/investors/stock_information/stock_split.html)
Since going public in 1965, McDonald's has executed twelve stock splits. In fact, an investment of $2,250 in 100 shares at that time has grown to 74,360 shares worth approximately $6.6 million as of market close on December 31, 2012.

That is pretty amazing. I was initially writing a reply that wasn't impressed but I've changed my mind and that is a great return.

But McDonalds was hardly a penny stock in 1965. It's a proper company and are you going to hold Cyan for 48 years? If you do you're following what I am saying - buy and hold will always win out. People who bought McDonalds in 1965 held for 48 years knowing it was a solid growth company. Instead the companies mentioned here are silly gambles hoping on some secret deal that happens to be all over the internet except shhh don't tell anyone, my mate's dads cleaner works for them and has the inside track.

Silly get rich quick schemes in nonsense companies (actually Cyan I quite like after reading about them, but the oil and gas ones, just total gambles) will never work in the long run http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_run_and_short_run (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_run_and_short_run)

I hope all the ones you lot are in though double or quadruple so you can come back and tell me you told me so, but whilst you're buying me a pint or 10 with your winnings.

Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on June 18, 2013, 08:18:32 AM

Silly get rich quick schemes in nonsense companies (actually Cyan I quite like after reading about them, but the oil and gas ones, just total gambles) will never work in the long run


Lot of O&G are gambles. A few I am interested in are
Bowleven who have 500m+ oil reserves & 1b in gas off the coast of cameroon & have singed a MOU to supply gas to a fertislier plant thats going to be built.

Xcite Energy, who have 250m reserves in the north sea & they neighbour smack on the Statoil spoke & hub facility - so is an obvious takeover target due to the location & safe waters.

Desire - they have a share in the only commercial discovery in the Falklands - very low SP atm, but needs to be taken over - more of a long term punt!

Gulf keystone petroleum - CEO in court atm as another person is trying to claim 30% of the company - the SP is currenty 150-160p so thte 30% has already been priced in.
They have massive amount of reserves though. 15billion barrels of oil. Downside is its in Kurdistan so not exactly a safe part of the world. Upside - £15+ a share its true value!
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Sam on June 19, 2013, 14:52:39 PM
All four stocks absolutely pants. Sitting in them for a year you've missed the biggest bull run on the general market in a lifetime. Well not just missed it, as DOW has added 4000pts, those stocks are down or at best flat.

Fingers crossed they come good soon for you.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on June 19, 2013, 15:00:20 PM
He has a good point there, if I'd have 1k spare 6 months/a year ago I'd have slapped it in Intel at its lowpoint (I was talking about it for ages to Sam/Matt), it was at 19 now back up up to 25, easy money and dividends to be had too. That's just one example, some of them Sam bought like Deutche Bank had amazing booms.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on June 19, 2013, 16:37:27 PM
He has a good point there, if I'd have 1k spare 6 months/a year ago I'd have slapped it in Intel at its lowpoint (I was talking about it for ages to Sam/Matt), it was at 19 now back up up to 25, easy money and dividends to be had too. That's just one example, some of them Sam bought like Deutche Bank had amazing booms.

funnily enough.. its rumoured to be Deutche Bank that is keeping XEL, BLVN, GKP under checked with their short selling tactics.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Sam on June 19, 2013, 17:58:06 PM
He has a good point there, if I'd have 1k spare 6 months/a year ago I'd have slapped it in Intel at its lowpoint (I was talking about it for ages to Sam/Matt), it was at 19 now back up up to 25, easy money and dividends to be had too. That's just one example, some of them Sam bought like Deutche Bank had amazing booms.

funnily enough.. its rumoured to be Deutche Bank that is keeping XEL, BLVN, GKP under checked with their short selling tactics.

Your mate at DB told you that ?
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on June 19, 2013, 20:09:25 PM
He has a good point there, if I'd have 1k spare 6 months/a year ago I'd have slapped it in Intel at its lowpoint (I was talking about it for ages to Sam/Matt), it was at 19 now back up up to 25, easy money and dividends to be had too. That's just one example, some of them Sam bought like Deutche Bank had amazing booms.

funnily enough.. its rumoured to be Deutche Bank that is keeping XEL, BLVN, GKP under checked with their short selling tactics.

Your mate at DB told you that ?
No, the fca
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on June 19, 2013, 23:09:37 PM
I'm still pretty much as is,  but now put a couple of hundred into JLP as they look to have a complete package for mining and refining platinum.

I've done really well on Cyan and Bitcoin though the latter is surprisingly static in the last month or so.

Another oddball is shares in BrewDog, I bought them 2 years ago as I like their beer and you get discounts (I also knew that their hideous advertising and branding reels the mugs in) 4 shares cost me £95, tomorrow they're releasing more at £95 each.

USOP is very much down on paper, but the exchange is bonkers to say the least and I've been averaging down.

I'm not selling mind, everything I hold is long term, last year has certainly been a learning experience, some highs, some bad lows!



I remember the convo about Intel Nige and I thought it was a sound plan, alas as you said you'd need to stick £1k min in as fees would rip your pantaloons down, though looking at it perhaps not, ah well :)
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on June 20, 2013, 07:50:12 AM
I got JLP in my sipp!
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Sam on June 20, 2013, 22:51:16 PM
I'm still pretty much as is,  but now put a couple of hundred into JLP as they look to have a complete package for mining and refining platinum.

That'll be why they're down 75% last few years then.

I seem to be the odd one out on this forum as the stocks in my account go up.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: matt5cott on June 20, 2013, 22:52:47 PM
I'm still pretty much as is,  but now put a couple of hundred into JLP as they look to have a complete package for mining and refining platinum.

That'll be why they're down 75% last few years then.

I seem to be the odd one out on this forum as the stocks in my account go up.

I'm aware of this, I've only just got in recently.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on June 21, 2013, 08:26:20 AM
I'm still pretty much as is,  but now put a couple of hundred into JLP as they look to have a complete package for mining and refining platinum.

That'll be why they're down 75% last few years then.

I seem to be the odd one out on this forum as the stocks in my account go up.

does not mater what they was a few years ago. Its about what price you buy & sell at.
A few years ago they prob had a lot lot lot less shares in issue. Funding is the biggest problem about any aim. Especially minerals.
If they dont hit a payload, then they need more funding for next campaign.
If you get in & out at the right time, then money can be made. They more of a punt than anything. Spread thin across quite a few stocks & hope for nice rises.
Sell at your target & stick to it!
My pension pot is doing fine. Thats up 40%
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Sam on June 21, 2013, 08:36:28 AM
My pension pot is doing fine. Thats up 40%

Not bad in a market up 300% in 4 years :)
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on June 21, 2013, 14:52:21 PM
My pension pot is doing fine. Thats up 40%

Not bad in a market up 300% in 4 years :)
then im on course as my sip is only 6 months young ;o)
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on June 26, 2013, 10:26:18 AM
Cyan's AGM tomorrow. I'm not expecting any big news as I don't think it's down to them to make any formal announcements, but it would be nice to be pleasantly surprised.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on June 26, 2013, 13:18:46 PM
Indeed.
Also lovely rns from gkp today.. Going into production in the next few weeks
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Adrock on June 27, 2013, 20:33:18 PM
Anything come of the Cyan AGM?
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on June 27, 2013, 20:42:23 PM
Nothing concrete at all other than some more warrants issued at 0.65, here's some info from some people that visted the AGM, make of it what you will:

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The resolutions were passed, then JC did a presentation followed by a Q&A session. During the presentation (in which JC got to double figures with his 'OOOggge's) he released a few snippets of info. Silverspring are considered a main competitor and have just floated in the US for $1bn. JC thought that they had no solution for emerging markets, and their high costs were likely to stop them making inroads in to Brazil.

Some new info on TNEB was that finance is in place. The govt provide TNEB with a loan, which turns into a grant once the money is spent. Cost per meter is $30, so even the intital tender is worth $45m, so TNEB are keen to get everything right - full contract worth c$500,000,000! Still four from six finalists. The other two finalists do not appear to be interoperable. I got the strong impression that they remain as confident as ever of being awarded the contract, just need to be patient.

The Indian chip OEMs will be fully validated by end of July having produced 10k units each.

The $1m contract is for several projects and will be 'deployed by the end of this calendar year'.

The other projects in India are progressing, and the the Board seemed most confident about the Mumbai project, which is with a private utility.

China is a large market covered by two utilities, but Cyan will continue to concentrate on India. A discussion took place on what the four employees based in HK do (none of them are proactive sales) and JC said that would be reviewed.

A former utility CEO from Brazil is bringing a smart grid techie over to Cambridge for a meeting on 10th July (at their own expense!) with a view to a partnership with Cyan.

A discussion around further dilution took place and Cyan and Xcap have looked at alternative methods of raising funds which will become available once/if TNEB revenues come on stream.

JS stated that Geoff Sarney had 'never been an employee' which came as a surprise to me. Geoff oversees the M2M project 'with Cyan in mind'. Cyan's link to Geoff is ad-hoc, so I'm not holding my breath on that one.

AGM Presentation: http://www.cyantechnology-ir.com/archive/pdf/presentations/Cyan-2013_AGM_Presentation.pdf (http://www.cyantechnology-ir.com/archive/pdf/presentations/Cyan-2013_AGM_Presentation.pdf)
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on July 08, 2013, 12:19:04 PM
CYAN put out a bad news RNS today (TNEB tender suspended) and it's tanked, I've pulled out right away not losing much at all but its very low now. If you are still in I'd watch the price, it might recover a little.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Rivkid on July 08, 2013, 15:05:58 PM
I had £50 in them - I now have £30. Bastard - but so glad I only buy a few for fun here and there!

On the plus side my BT shares are through the roof right now.
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Sam on July 08, 2013, 16:27:57 PM
So the big profitable blue chip is up.

The sh*tkicker penny stock gamble fell off a cliff.

#amIrepeatingMyself
Title: Re: Shares...F@@K!
Post by: Eggtastico on July 08, 2013, 16:43:39 PM
So the big profitable blue chip is up.

The sh*tkicker penny stock gamble fell off a cliff.

#amIrepeatingMyself

but you wouldnt put thousands into a penny stuck. £500 at most.
At the end of the day, this is completely out of Cyan's hands. It could be suspended for a week, could be for months.

BLVN up 10% today. GKP up despite some boardroom wrangles as theres politics being played as they plan to move to FTSE 250
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Post by: Sam on July 08, 2013, 18:53:33 PM
BLVN barely off all time lows. GXP same. Who cares if they have 10%

NBG is up 15%. Must be a killer stock? Except my mate bought it a month ago and he's down 90% on it.
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Post by: Eggtastico on July 08, 2013, 20:15:47 PM
BLVN barely off all time lows. GXP same. Who cares if they have 10%

NBG is up 15%. Must be a killer stock? Except my mate bought it a month ago and he's down 90% on it.
Every company starts somewhere.
Lets revisit it in 6-12 months
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Post by: Sam on July 08, 2013, 20:38:10 PM
I hope you do well out of them I genuinely do. But I personally don't see the attraction of sh*t stocks that 99% of the time just collapse to hit zero. This thread is like a how-to on how not to invest.
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Post by: Eggtastico on July 09, 2013, 07:27:22 AM
I hope you do well out of them I genuinely do. But I personally don't see the attraction of sh*t stocks that 99% of the time just collapse to hit zero. This thread is like a how-to on how not to invest.

Thats easy to say today. However you said nothing when it rose 30-40% 2 weeks ago! THe small penny stocks are gambling, rather than investing.
They are up & coming companies. GKP have 15 billion barrels of oil & should start production by 4th quater of 20,000 a day - just waiting for the pipeline to be finished.
FastJet is another interesting one - 1st international budget airline in africa & is backed by the founder of EasyJet.
There are some companies there with a lot of potential. There are also some dogs. This day & age its difficult to get funding, so they usually do it by share issuing.
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Post by: Sam on July 09, 2013, 09:36:40 AM
What rose 30 / 40%? I don't check your stocks daily sorry.

FastJet - must be a full time job scouring the web for these sh*t kickers.
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Post by: Sam on July 09, 2013, 09:37:12 AM
f**k me fastjet. Only down 75% since January LOL.
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on July 09, 2013, 09:39:26 AM
I'm already £8 up on ABF this morning, so I'm not feeling bad about my move now. I'm still going to keep an eye on CYAN though to see what happens with them.
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Post by: Sam on July 09, 2013, 11:17:08 AM
For the record, I told him not to buy ABF :D
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on July 09, 2013, 11:21:19 AM
Well, you didn't exactly say don't buy it, you said you thought there were better options like Aviva :)
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Post by: Sam on July 09, 2013, 12:46:58 PM
DB I said.
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Post by: Eggtastico on July 09, 2013, 14:02:25 PM
f**k me fastjet. Only down 75% since January LOL.
cyan rose 40% the other week..
FastJet has been doing some heavy dilution to expand into new territories - hence the big losses since January. Not the time to buy, but worth keeping an eye on.
They only floated back in November
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on July 09, 2013, 14:26:41 PM
I honestly can think of nothing worse to invest in personally than an African budget airline. It's got risk written all over it to me.
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Post by: matt5cott on July 09, 2013, 15:17:56 PM
I honestly can think of nothing worse to invest in personally than an African budget airline. It's got risk written all over it to me.

What evah du yu mean sah?

(http://www.e4.com/media/A5C67BA7-C7B7-4AED-9D91-5D5593E46230_extra.jpg)
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Post by: Eggtastico on July 10, 2013, 07:55:54 AM
I honestly can think of nothing worse to invest in personally than an African budget airline. It's got risk written all over it to me.

Anything with 3rd world/emerging countries represent extra risk. Its still an untaped continent & them africans do like travelling a few thousand miles.
Its still a startup company, so still to early IMO to buy.
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on July 10, 2013, 09:57:27 AM
True, but compared to the risk of Cyan it makes them look like Coca Cola. It has doom and gloom written all over it to me, airlines are very difficult to maintain as is but in the climate of Africa too? I'd have to be bored of money  :lol:
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Post by: Eggtastico on July 10, 2013, 15:57:13 PM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzne1p8zGO1qjdx8eo1_500.png)
(http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/2/8/2/2/3/6/9/Air-Taxi-75844833242.jpeg)
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Post by: Eggtastico on July 19, 2013, 18:34:04 PM
not a bad week trading GKP. in at 150s last week, sold in 170s this week, back in at 150s & seems to be holding 170 atm.
All in all, up about 15%. Made a couple of hundred trading PPC this week n all, but put all that in Cupid.
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Post by: matt5cott on August 18, 2013, 23:02:05 PM
Enjoy this "investment advice" http://www.chasethedevil.co.uk/s-s-s-h-i-t-guide-to-contrarian-investing/
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Post by: Eggtastico on August 27, 2013, 13:34:32 PM
bought ECR a few weeks ago @ .13 & sold today @.49
Profits paying my car loan off :o




wish I was REM beginning of august at .05 they hit 1.25 today!
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Post by: Eggtastico on September 16, 2013, 11:38:58 AM
hows everyone doing? Ive hit a good run.
Took money from ECR into MARL - sold just after a spike - put it all into GKP as the Court Case was due soon enough.
Sure enough - it did - took the lot & now back in MARL which has already climbed 15%
All in all, 100% up in 3 weeks & expect MARL to be double it up again. Then I am done with shares.
Walking away.
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on September 16, 2013, 23:49:30 PM
I'm still sat on ABF, which despite continued increases in turnover thanks to Primark is yoyoing around the same figure I got in at. Go figure!

Planning to super long Intel next now I've started my new job, then look at other sectors.

Cyan is back up to 0.5 too  :lol:
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Post by: Adrock on October 06, 2013, 22:20:48 PM
Royal Mail shares worth a look? If you buy them can you sell them if there is a quick bump in the price when it becomes fully traded?
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on October 07, 2013, 00:06:02 AM
Should have mentioned actually that spur of the moment I've shifted out of ABF (at no loss) and I'm looking to get in on the Royal Mail IPO along with Sam, it's being very heavily subscribed and predictions are that the value will be at the high end for the shares. Bit of a risk compared to my safe position with ABF, but opportunities like this and potentially Twitter don't come along often.

Minimum investment is £750 though, and you have until Tuesday to get involved (that might be broker dependant).

This is worth looking at if you're interested, its a good summary: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/investing/10340710/Royal-Mail-privatisation-shares-A-list-of-stockbrokers-and-their-costs.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/investing/10340710/Royal-Mail-privatisation-shares-A-list-of-stockbrokers-and-their-costs.html)
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Post by: Eggtastico on October 07, 2013, 08:01:07 AM
yep - im umm-ing & ahh-ing about Royal Mail.

might be able to turn a quick profit.  Im sure some large corporate will be sniffing to take it over as much as possible at some point. Its something that has zero competition.
Either for the pension pot - or the shares isa.

As for me currently... Still heavily in MARL waiting for drill to start.
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Post by: matt5cott on October 07, 2013, 10:01:04 AM
I have reservations about RM, whenever PI money goes in II want to rip into it as much as possible, I dunno how they would short it or even how they would do it, I just have an odd feeling :lol:

I'm in MARL also Egg, though freeriding only.
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on October 07, 2013, 19:45:29 PM
7% dividend on RM too, don't forget. It's a good earner. Unless the market goes crazy I'm quite positive about it. It's all a gamble at the end of the day though, I feel safer with that than sat watching CYAN jump up and down  :lol:
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Post by: Sam on October 07, 2013, 23:09:18 PM
7% dividend on RM too, don't forget. It's a good earner. Unless the market goes crazy I'm quite positive about it. It's all a gamble at the end of the day though, I feel safer with that than sat watching CYAN jump up and down  :lol:

It's a proper stock. Unlike the sh*t people post in here. USOP CYAN FASTJET GKP all turds. Egg seems to be good at picking stocks, so I listen to some of his tips. After they've gone up, he bought at the lows.

I've banged a few grand into RM but I expect it to be over subscribed and thus might only get 1500 quids worth. Good dividend. Market looks like it might die overall though; we're heavily due a pullback. Hope we see 20% drop in the indexes from here.
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Post by: Eggtastico on October 18, 2013, 10:41:59 AM
anyone still got RM shares? heading to £5 - Will not be suprised if we see £6+ by November end.
If you are still in, keep an eye out for end of Nov. when its financial results for the half year ended 29 September 2013 are announced.


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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on October 18, 2013, 23:26:55 PM
I sold at about 475 so pocketed about £350, I can't see the price continuing to climb, its overvalued and there's potential union action looming. No point being greedy. I'm happy with 45% for three days of not having to do anything but scratch my arse.

Money is going to go into Barclays or Unilever probably. Intel afterwards.
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Post by: Eggtastico on October 23, 2013, 10:43:25 AM
it was easy money, but I dont think it is over valued. Personally, still think we can go to £6.50-£7 short term.
Big dip yesterday & bounced back hugely this mornings trading.
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Post by: Eggtastico on October 31, 2013, 10:22:30 AM
Marl *sniff*
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Post by: matt5cott on October 31, 2013, 10:31:43 AM
Marl *sniff*

Nice, my MARL freerides are not for sale :)
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Post by: Eggtastico on October 31, 2013, 12:53:39 PM
Marl *sniff*

Nice, my MARL freerides are not for sale :)

I got 750k of the beauties n all :)
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Post by: matt5cott on October 31, 2013, 20:33:20 PM
I have 10,000 freebies, so a mere 75 times less :lol: :lol: :lol:

Anyway, here's hoping the drilling campaigns a good un :)
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Post by: Eggtastico on November 04, 2013, 15:42:33 PM
up again today on soledad news.
Hopefully a good presentation on Thursday will push us to 5p
Had to sell 150k shares today at 4.2 though. Tax bill to pay :(
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Post by: Eggtastico on November 07, 2013, 13:46:33 PM
was you in on this turd stock sam?
its just touching under 8p - not bad from being 1.2p back in august.
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Post by: matt5cott on November 07, 2013, 14:00:57 PM
Going like a rocket, what a lovely hold/sell dilemma to have egg :) :D
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Post by: Eggtastico on November 07, 2013, 16:10:10 PM
Going like a rocket, what a lovely hold/sell dilemma to have egg :) :D

every penny increase pays for one of these....
http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-dvd-blu-ray/televisions/large-screen-tvs-32-and-over/samsung-ue75f8000-smart-3d-75-led-tv-21399958-pdt.html
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Post by: Eggtastico on November 08, 2013, 12:39:20 PM
sold out at eights
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Post by: zpyder on July 05, 2014, 08:42:41 AM
Bringing up an oldish thread, but for those who didn't get out of cyan and still have shares, have you seen the latest jump? They've doubled from their low and are nearly back to where they were before their crash!

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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on July 05, 2014, 22:54:27 PM
Yeah, the shares are really diluted though and it's more than likely another flash in the pan. I don't think they are going to build any real momentum again sadly. I wouldn't change my mind on selling in hindsight.
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Post by: zpyder on July 06, 2014, 12:12:58 PM
Well, hopefully they might get somewhere close to a point I can sell them at not much of a loss ;)
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Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on July 06, 2014, 17:48:18 PM
Don't get me wrong, I don't think its infeasible for them to go back up to where they were, but I wouldn't expect them to hang around at a decent price if they do. Fingers crossed :ptu: