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Reply #15 on: December 08, 2020, 15:06:49 PM
In any case this will increase dramatically.

The pushback is and will be interesting. Car dealerships in the US for example are a kind of Mafia organisation that have more pull and say than they actually should and been making Tesla's life very difficult over there. They have even gone out their way to try and stop Tesla renting or buying plots of land for their super stations and charging port locations for all manner of reasons, even though most fail here they do it just to cause hassle.


Fuel companies I am sure in the background are talking or trying to work out what they do but I think have little to nothing to be able to counter the growing boom here.


The thing for me is battery tech still needs to improve. Power consumption of chips, software that optimises everything from how the battery is used to how it is charged are all things these days etching out battery perfomance but the tech itself is not keeping pace with other tech. Someone really needs to pump more and try more to improve it a lot and get all these things being developed into reality sooner than later.


Tesla cars require a big investment at the start, even if cheaper long term. You also have to add in that there are lots of other car companies out there, along with the petrol companies who to a large extent see Tesla and other electric cars as threatening their industry, so not just car dealerships that often have exclusive contracts in their area. They cannot expect them to all bend over backwards for Elon Musk. A lot of the issue is the number of charging stations and how long it takes to charge up.

Solar electricity in sunnier climates has dropped radically to the point that it's cheaper for countries in Arabia to use than oil or gas. Batteries are still being developed, but that is going at a frantic pace. Then there is the issue of lithium and cobalt shortages likely to start in the next couple of years. You also have supercapacitors, not as weight efficient but able to dump their entire charge in seconds and have a lifetime of many decades, they are already being put in some cars instead of batteries.

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Reply #16 on: December 08, 2020, 17:37:55 PM
Ask anyone who owns a tesla what life is like on a bank holiday weekend travelling to the south west of the country.

Every single tesla supercharger stall, occupied... everywhere.

Every single rapid charger at the service station, occupied... everywhere.

We've 9 years, to try and put in place a charging infrastructure that can support a mass migration to electric vehicles. Not only have we got to weigh up the massive environmental impact this has, but also being able to service such capability from the national grid as is.

Colour me a sceptic but I don't see that happening. We still struggle with loads on the grid from advertisement breaks on TV despite the mass uptake of on-demand video. We will almost certainly not be in a position where the national grid can cope with the load a mass move towards electric vehicles will bring.

Hinkley Point C has been under construction since 2008, and is intended to replace the load of 2 decommissioned reactors at the same location (1 decommissioned already, the other to come at some point) yet is not expected to be online until 2025.

If the UK Gov is serious about this, we need to be breaking ground on new power generation capability now.

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Reply #17 on: December 08, 2020, 18:06:28 PM
Chris Harris did an interview with some chap from the National Grid (who happens to be a petrol head) and he was pretty certain they will be fine and there is always plenty of plans in place to handle and spread the loads - especially with many people opting to charge over night.

https://www.topgear.com/videos/chris-harris/there-enough-juice-harris-talks-evs-national-grids-graeme-cooper

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Reply #18 on: December 09, 2020, 00:02:13 AM
Classic cars and what are declared as classic cars will be fine I think. They may introduce some running restrictions due to emissions in like 50, 60, 70+ years and Fuel prices will keep going up and up as the use declines but you can still run them.
It will be more your 20 year old Ford that will likely be banned from roads

The inference is as long as cars are within the moving window of historical status they won't be affected at all. A London to LA flight produces more CO2 in that single trip than than a lot of classic cars produce in a whole year, so there is no need to go chasing after them. What was suggested in the video though is that they may not shift the window as far as 2000 because some early dirty diesels could creep into the fold then.
Well the whole Government blaming us for global warming when industry is the ultimate evil here is another story.
That is a massive annoyance for me with us all globally paying x tax or something in regard to the environment and while we are technically doing our part 90% of the problem is not from us norm's. Most of it is China and most of it is industrial and it is them that needs to sort it.


On that though big  :cheers:  to the UK though for all the renewable energy work because its up there these days, no one really talks about it but you keep seeing news stories of days where the whole country has managed just on the renewable energy alone.

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Reply #20 on: December 10, 2020, 10:55:14 AM
Here's a great video which puts some of this into perspective for the next decade, not just for classic cars (30 minute watch):


Excellent vid, I'm looking at another car soon (not to replace mine) it was going to be petrol anyway, but that video gave 2 pirate thumbs up to this decision  :ptu:

Well the whole Government blaming us for global warming when industry is the ultimate evil here is another story.
That is a massive annoyance for me with us all globally paying x tax or something in regard to the environment and while we are technically doing our part 90% of the problem is not from us norm's. Most of it is China and most of it is industrial and it is them that needs to sort it.


On that though big  :cheers:  to the UK though for all the renewable energy work because its up there these days, no one really talks about it but you keep seeing news stories of days where the whole country has managed just on the renewable energy alone.

Well said, industry always seems to avoid being put under the microscope, instead Ken and Tracey get shamed for taking 2 weeks in Tenerife like they're some kind of eco-terrorists!

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Reply #21 on: December 10, 2020, 13:29:42 PM
Excellent vid, I'm looking at another car soon (not to replace mine) it was going to be petrol anyway, but that video gave 2 pirate thumbs up to this decision  :ptu:

I'm very curious what this is going to be now  ;D

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