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neXus:
Not sure how everyone feels on this but the road to end Petrol cars has really kicked off this year.


- Japan is look set to end all petrol car sales by 2030.
- The UK has already announced similar plans
- New Zealand has announced similar plans and all government vehicles have to be electric starting from basically now
- Australia is also making moves
- Certain states in the US are or are going to initiate similar plans 


- Electric cars are on the rise, there are more companies making them and there are more stations for them popping up nearly everywhere.
- Many companies are using some from of tech from the Tesla opened up patents to facilitate the rise.


What are your thoughts?


For me, I know a lot of petrol heads will be angry about it but I am all for this change to finally happen. I just wonder what the fuel companies and old school motor companies will do, they have been deliberately holding back technology in this area for years. Over the years I am sure you all have heard the stories, some fact, some rumour in regard to technologies developed by small teams or individuals who have had things destroyed, threats and so on. I think there was a UK doco on that matter some years ago which was good.

Clock'd 0Ne:
I think banning production of new cars is sensible, as long as people can still enjoy what will be 'classic' cars still I don't have a problem, the numbers will be low and dwindling as electric car performance already destroys most cars and the only ones that will have longevity are real driving enthusiast cars with beautiful sounding V6/V8/V10 engines.

Having children changes your perspective on things. I no longer think it's acceptable for them to breathe in sh*te air constantly and that is first and foremost why I welcome the change. Not that I genuinely thought it was fine before but it's 'I'm alright, Jack' mentality. There are added benefits of reduced costs as well. I'm already driving round in a Prius so I'm halfway there, our next family car will be full electric one way or the other. One day I'll buy a nice V6/V8 weekend car perhaps.

matt5cott:
Governments etc will push for this but I have the same serious reservations I've always had, batteries even today are still not the clean saviours they're often touted as, yes it offsets what's coming out the back to a degree and yes you can power them with probably cleaner energy off the grid, it's the battery packs being stuffed with rare earth minerals and flown around the world to be assembled bit that raises my eyebrow.

We have a finance it / build em cheap /chuck em away culture, battery cars don't appear to have changed this, if people are replacing them as often as they change their pants it somewhat offsets any "gains" And there's the fact that cells don't last forever, if you've got to replace them at ~7 years the car becomes beyond economical repair in many cases. This is why I won't buy a hybrid as it's a ticking time bomb and I keep my cars long term.


2030 is probably do-able, but if by then the technology has already changed drastically and the issues above are resolved (note I've not even included range as the newer stuff already is pretty good) Then the market will have pushed this way naturally anyway, why does the government need to mandate this :dunno: ::) Sticking their oar in again ::) :lol:

Clock'd 0Ne:
I agree the govt didn't need to mandate it, I don't think it's even sticking their oar for any reason other than it's just a good piece to soundbite essentially; get the hippies on board :lol:

I don't think the battery issue with degradation is as bad as has been made out. My Prius is from 2005 and has done 120k, the battery is still reporting excellent health and seems good as new. They are also figuring out a way to both recycle them for home energy storage and move away from using rare earth metals in their production.

It's another early adoption thing where the tech will only improve with a market drive to do so. Tesla has spunked so much money into that its now getting traction, so whether you like Musk and the cars or not its irrefutable that he's moved us forward leaps and bounds.

Hydrogen is the other tech that will come into play too, Toyota are really pushing it as its really the only viable option for heavy industry.

Serious:
It is still going to take time, not all people are going to find switching as easy as might be thought. Countries still need to ramp up electric supply and places where it can be sourced.

There needs to be a lot more battery production too. Easy for a country to say that this has to be done, far more difficult to actually do it.

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