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Title: The US Election
Post by: neXus on October 20, 2020, 04:45:31 AM
This is going to be interesting. This will be a movie of strange and crazy events.


Win loose or draw what Trump does will be nothing like anything we have seen before.


The US election

This election is going to be fascinating on so many levels. (A long post)
Trumps campaign has been little about policy, roadmap and future but about misinformation, lies, social media turmoil and, accusations and insults.I am sure you all know of US voting, electoral votes, the jeririgging of seats to voting catchment areas etc. Republicans play this game the most and when ever they are in power always try to make big changes to hold on to that power so even with less votes they can still win. There has been movies on this very topic if I recall. Apparently this has been going on again this election plus the fake voting boxes and voter suppression efforts and of course Trump and co saying voting by mail has massive fraud issues which is untrue but setting the seed to have something to call upon if they loose.

Biden leads by 11/12 points but so did Hillary Clinton so who knows how things will go but Biden should win unless something dodgy happens. If he looses what will happen? I can imagine shock for one thing but how he lost will be in very hot debate or voter fraud claims made and investigations taken place.
If Trump wins - God help America.
If Trump looses his tweeter feed will be a thing to behold I am sureIf Trump looses how he will act and what he will do will be fascinating. Does anyone think he will go quietly?Trumps campaign was as many  a case was a means to make money.  It is silly but people make money on the campaign trail. When for what ever reason legal, aided or not that he could win and how he partnered with Republicans in a love hate relationship and then won I think in part was a surprise. As in, they tried but managed to pull it off. From there he has tried to do his best to make him and the people like him richer.

I think coming out of the election at a loss he and his family will literally be up schitt's creek. That show with the rich family who are now poor. I can see this happening with the Trump Family.

The Republicans have no one else, if they loose they will be in a bit of a mess and for a while. I think you could see 8 Years before they can get another chance. They have relied on trump to get mostly what they want and put up with him to have the power but as time has gone on it has become more strained and you either have the people doubling down with him, spurting increasingly crazy actions, chucked out for not following him or just quietly putting up with it. Now has he has got more crazy and may loose they are already prepping to distance themselves from him with some already doing so.If the Republicans loose you will see the “Blame Trump” for nearly everything occur, anyone he thought with him will turn against him as they look to avoid any of the possible actions, legal and retaliative that come with him loosing the power of a president.
What do you think will happen?
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: neXus on October 20, 2020, 05:32:27 AM
A lot of other people by the way have stake in President Trump possibly loosing the election and I think some have been caught out with the 4 years passing already.
FCC Chairman Ajit Pai is seeing the writing on the wall and has been desperately trying to push a variety of things through in the last year. He would be gone for a start.


Interesting times ahead.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on October 21, 2020, 21:18:29 PM
Where to start, yes Biden was barely ahead of Hillary Clinton, but the weaponization of information that Trump's backers used, including his masters in Russia and elsewhere, doesn't seem to be anywhere near as effective this time.

The Senate basically isn't doing anything apart from trying to shove through as many Republican biased judges as they can at the moment. Even if something dodgy did go through it would then face congress. That's why Trump's last covid relief package, designed to give the rich a huge boost but the average person nothing failed.

in the end, Trump could win, but if the Senate turns Democratic he's still in the sh*t pile.

With the USA polls there are so many possible variables that you could end up with both sides claiming victory, depending on how you assess the numbers. Remember that there is the public vote, which elects selected people to the electoral college. It is then these representatives in the electoral college who vote for the President. It is only the result of their vote that matters in electing the President. Hillary won the purely numeric vote. Had it been proportional, a highest public vote wins, she would have been President. Trump won the numbers translation game, same as in Britain you can get more votes but the other party gets more MPs due to the distribution of the vote. So don't read too much into those polls.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: neXus on October 22, 2020, 01:47:47 AM
Where to start, yes Biden was barely ahead of Hillary Clinton, but the weaponization of information that Trump's backers used, including his masters in Russia and elsewhere, doesn't seem to be anywhere near as effective this time.

The Senate basically isn't doing anything apart from trying to shove through as many Republican biased judges as they can at the moment. Even if something dodgy did go through it would then face congress. That's why Trump's last covid relief package, designed to give the rich a huge boost but the average person nothing failed.

in the end, Trump could win, but if the Senate turns Democratic he's still in the sh*t pile.

With the USA polls there are so many possible variables that you could end up with both sides claiming victory, depending on how you assess the numbers. Remember that there is the public vote, which elects selected people to the electoral college. It is then these representatives in the electoral college who vote for the President. It is only the result of their vote that matters in electing the President. Hillary won the purely numeric vote. Had it been proportional, a highest public vote wins, she would have been President. Trump won the numbers translation game, same as in Britain you can get more votes but the other party gets more MPs due to the distribution of the vote. So don't read too much into those polls.


What shocks me is that "He could win" with him basically doing nothing!


If he wins where:


- He has made rich richer and average person poorer
- Failed many other areas
- Failed to handle COVID-19
- Failed on job growth despite just saying its bette
- Lied, cheated, insulted and just been a down right person.


And in the run up to the election:
- Lied
- Insulted
- Basically been a dick
- Done rallies
- All but ZERO policies or Roadmap for the future


IF he wins that is on the American people and they are beyond saving if enough of them voted him in.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on October 22, 2020, 19:05:04 PM
Official polling day is the 3rd of Novermber so we should have a result not long after that. Commentators and news channels usually like to make it look close to improve their people watching numbers.

I have seen "news" articles saying that Trump is ahead and others saying he's way behind in early voting. Occasionally from the same organization. Really though the only thing that matters is winning states.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on November 05, 2020, 10:14:01 AM
Now two days after US Presidential election day and it looks like a huge s**t show. Trump claiming victory when behind, but still plausible for him catching up. Also claiming fraud when it's the Republicans doing it in an attempt to keep him in office.

Now down to a very few states and neither able to claim victory, although that did not stop Trump starting legislation.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on November 05, 2020, 10:37:45 AM
America is still screwed even if Biden does win overall, purely because the Republicans will still have overall control of the senate, supreme court, etc. It is now the laughing stock of the international stage.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: neXus on November 06, 2020, 00:32:07 AM
America is still screwed even if Biden does win overall, purely because the Republicans will still have overall control of the senate, supreme court, etc. It is now the laughing stock of the international stage.
Similar to Obama first 4 years. Was very hard for him to get anything done.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: neXus on November 06, 2020, 01:51:31 AM
As a friend point out - A lot of Republican voters (outside of the clear nutters) are not voting for Trump.
They are voting for their preferred senator in their state and in turn get a president out of that.


America just does not like change and pretty much the same states vote red or blue and some will likely never change.
Swing states come from change that is seen in the state or very late based on current events/standings.

Florida has declined in general in many ways. Rich very rich and very republican and the poor idiots who still think Republicans will save them.


For me...

What is very clear is that the Trump team know how to play with mindset of the week and it is clear most who vote Republican are open to zero facts, listen to what ever someone of power says to then believe it and open to conspiracy and everything else.
The scary part is that there is simply A LOT of them and growing which has also been fuelled by trump.
This same demographic are mostly racist creating all the problems there, don't care or do not think the Pandemic is a thing creating more problems there as well.


Despite Trump's obvious plan to try and discredit postal voting for months now it has been a hard effort for what seems to be common sense Americans to vote him out.




If Biden does win it will be an interesting few months and it will be a hard 4 years to try and undo all the damage done and calm America. They will need 2 terms again to really get the country back on track.

I also still just can not help but laugh our the Republicans Hated Trump so much too at the start but to keep in power have just doubled down so hard and ran with him. Even many of them must know hes insane.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on November 06, 2020, 09:20:29 AM
A lot of Republicans despise Trump but they will do anything to maintain control. The sooner all the Republican old guard like Trump, Bitch McConnell, Mike Pence all die off the better for humanity.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on November 06, 2020, 11:52:51 AM
America is still screwed even if Biden does win overall, purely because the Republicans will still have overall control of the senate, supreme court, etc. It is now the laughing stock of the international stage.
Similar to Obama first 4 years. Was very hard for him to get anything done.

For the first two years the Democrats had control of both the senate and Congress. The advantage the Republicans had was the democrats didn't have a two thirds majority in the senate, so could filibuster anything they didn't like.

What they can do is add temporary judges to the supreme court if they press for it.

They don't, as far as I know, vote for president and senators at the same time. They don't even vote for the President but representatives in the electoral college. Only 33 class 2 seats of the Senate are being contested in regular elections, one third of the total, plus a couple of seats for McCain and someone who resigned. The senate has votes every two years on a six year cycle, so a third of the Senators are up each time.

As Clock'd says they're screwed, but mostly because of the animosity generated by Trump between Democrats and his Republican supporters.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on November 06, 2020, 13:53:59 PM

What could happen if Trump refuses to concede.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: matt5cott on November 06, 2020, 15:33:44 PM
It's sh*t here in blighty, and equally sh*t in the U.S of A, yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee haaaaaa!

Trump is terrible.

Biden is dreadful.

You know what would have been nice? A competent opponent for Trump, who could have then went on to win legitimately and probably comfortably.


What we're seeing is banana republic stuff :lol: This will not be over any time soon, you can detest Trump as much as you like but having seen quite clear corruption and fraud evidence on twitter, the orange man probably does have a point, and as much as I hate to admit it, I actually think he's right.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on November 07, 2020, 16:41:15 PM
Biden victory in Pennsylvania announced. 273 electoral college votes is beyond the half way mark so Trump is sunk.

All that remains is the court stuff and dragging the trash out of the White House.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on November 07, 2020, 17:02:27 PM
you can detest Trump as much as you like but having seen quite clear corruption and fraud evidence on twitter, the orange man probably does have a point, and as much as I hate to admit it, I actually think he's right.

Just a couple of issues with that, what corruption and fraud there has been seems to have come entirely from Trump and his supporters, including trying to stop postal votes and intimidate voters.

Observers, the press, and many Republicans have said the elections were not fraud. Each state has their own way of counting, and what votes get counted. So taking several days to count the votes is entirely fair and normal.

Twitter has repeatedly put on Trump's posts that they were effectively lies.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: matt5cott on November 08, 2020, 13:30:17 PM
It boils down to McDonalds Trump will either back up what he's saying with solid evidence and conclusively prove the "election was stolen" As he puts it, or he'll just waste everyone's time with half cooked rubbish, I do think the latter is more likely.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on November 08, 2020, 14:01:36 PM
He has been asked repeatedly for evidence. Trump's modus operandi over the last four years, and even before that, has been to repeatedly lie and not provide any evidence. Where is his evidence of the fraud in the 2016 election?

As to Trump's claims they are covered by the BBC, and if you check every other main news network, including Fox news, goes against him.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54811406
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: matt5cott on November 08, 2020, 14:07:04 PM
As to Trump's claims they are covered by the BBC, and if you check every other main news network, including Fox news, goes against him.

"Shocking"
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: neXus on November 09, 2020, 00:11:37 AM
you can detest Trump as much as you like but having seen quite clear corruption and fraud evidence on twitter, the orange man probably does have a point, and as much as I hate to admit it, I actually think he's right.

Just a couple of issues with that, what corruption and fraud there has been seems to have come entirely from Trump and his supporters, including trying to stop postal votes and intimidate voters.

Observers, the press, and many Republicans have said the elections were not fraud. Each state has their own way of counting, and what votes get counted. So taking several days to count the votes is entirely fair and normal.

Twitter has repeatedly put on Trump's posts that they were effectively lies.


- Republicans and Trump made changes to rules in some states requiring ID proof in person registration for votes
- They also made it harder to postal vote and even trying to cut down the postal service in the run up
- Trump from the start of the year just went out and said postal voting is rigged and corrupt. Despite the fact he has posted his vote as he lived out of state before. He even said last year to republicans to get the vote in early and postal vote. Then the pandemic happened and he changed the policy when it was clear that 1. more people would vote 2. Democrats would postal vote.


- Republicans every election and especially when in power have continued a policy of changing voting to be in their favour. Overall there are less republican people because they are primary the richest / oldest people of the country which has constantly got smaller. IF it was any other country with normal voting they would loose EVERY time. Various republicans have even been on camera out right saying this.

So with the standard republican attempts to hold power and


How Trump is, he has just targeted the crazy to be quite frank and has encourage rumour, accusations, tension, and flawed up racists, conspiracy theory people and built up that population. So more of them feel they had a voice, getting their way even when they were getting less well off because he has created this cult like status. There was a show here in Australia 2 weeks ago showing how he has all but followed the same steps cult leaders do to create follows and have them believe them no matter how crazy it seems to the rest of us.


I do home he is dragged out of the white house, it will make great television in 2021 and a good kick off for a hopefully better year.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on November 09, 2020, 08:46:00 AM
I heard some prat earlier on the radio suggesting that the Republicans only hope for 2024 is Trump again, they don't feel Republicans would get behind anyone else... well how well has that just worked out for you, eh? When the majority want your candidate not just not elected, but ideally in a casket. It's the same reason Labour will not be in power until "A competent opponent" materializes, as Matt rightly put. Even if you don't like Biden and think he's a sack of sh*t, he's still a massively smaller sack of sh*t than Trump.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on November 09, 2020, 09:28:51 AM
It seems that Greta Thunberg has a sense of ice cold revenge, tweeting pretty much what Trump told her when she won Times person of the year. she even included his random capitalization so probably copied and pasted.

Trump "STOP THE COUNT!"

Greta, “So ridiculous. Donald must work on his Anger Management problem, then go to a good old fashioned movie with a friend! Chill Donald, Chill!”

Seems she's badass and deserves the thug life shades. It was a bad idea Trump getting at her anyway, sounded more like a five year old doing a tantrum over his sister got two dolls and he didn't get any.

The problem was by the time that Trump-et had tweeted the counts were already favouring a Biden win, Stopping the counts would have ensured it and his advisors had to shut him up.

 :ptu: :rofl: :rofl: :muttley: :muttley:
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on December 01, 2020, 13:30:29 PM
So far the count seems to be 39 out of 40 cases failed to provide any evidence. The only ones shouting fraud are still Donald Trump, a few of his legal team (ones that haven't already quit to save themselves), and right wing media that don't have to tell the truth.

There are still plenty of ongoing cases but even if you total them all up you still get a Biden win, by a long way. The Trump campaign even paid for recounts in some counties and the result was Biden got even more votes than Trump.

What they are stuck with is the orange baby stuck in the White House having tantrums and throwing the Presidential toys out of his pram. The sooner they kick him out he better.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: neXus on December 02, 2020, 00:21:44 AM
So far the count seems to be 39 out of 40 cases failed to provide any evidence. The only ones shouting fraud are still Donald Trump, a few of his legal team (ones that haven't already quit to save themselves), and right wing media that don't have to tell the truth.

There are still plenty of ongoing cases but even if you total them all up you still get a Biden win, by a long way. The Trump campaign even paid for recounts in some counties and the result was Biden got even more votes than Trump.

What they are stuck with is the orange baby stuck in the White House having tantrums and throwing the Presidential toys out of his pram. The sooner they kick him out he better.


It has got so crazy now it is not even funny.
They are now holding these fake "hearings" and broadcasting them and they are just pure crazy, it is nuts.


They have raised $150 million for the fraud war fund (which actually is going to pay off debts) and it is scary the amount of people giving them money and believing all this stuff.


Trump is a baby, a spoilt brat that got money and through lying and cheating some how manages to convince enough people to be scared of him and some how worked his way to become president. He targets a very scary large amount of types of people (basically idiots) and does not do much but in a way with no facts, proof or anything make them believe him and anyone he gets to follow his tune.
As tv has said his "Enablers" are scary - All the republicans and people in white house jobs scared to be fired and scared to be out of jobs if he is not around. Many who have gone too far with him that their reputation is damaged and will struggle to get people to hire them and trust them in new jobs. Some of those now doubling down with trump and going with his insanity.


Facts are there is no proof to any of what they are saying.
They keep changing the narrative every time one avenue fails.
The scary fact is that people , like mentioned here who are the "Stop the count", "Count the votes" ... "Fox news is the only real news", "Fox news is fake news".... TO MANY OF THESE PEOPLE!
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: matt5cott on December 03, 2020, 10:54:08 AM
Having watched parts of some of the weird hearings there clearly is evidence and there clearly was fraud (as there is at any human ran election)  However they seem to keep claiming there's bigger and better evidence, all this "unleash the kraken" Rhetoric so far has been just talk.

What did grab my attention yesterday, and the only reason I'm posting on the thread again really, was this https://twitter.com/PatrickByrne/status/1334220338679476228 I've followed Patrick for many years now and respect his work on Bitcoin & Blockchain tech and his work against naked short selling on wall street (First saw him on Keiser report ages ago) The video makes interesting viewing, everything he says is PLAUSIBLE, again though, we're yet to see anything :-\ :dunno:

Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: neXus on December 04, 2020, 00:47:57 AM
Having watched parts of some of the weird hearings there clearly is evidence and there clearly was fraud (as there is at any human ran election)  However they seem to keep claiming there's bigger and better evidence, all this "unleash the kraken" Rhetoric so far has been just talk.

What did grab my attention yesterday, and the only reason I'm posting on the thread again really, was this https://twitter.com/PatrickByrne/status/1334220338679476228 (https://twitter.com/PatrickByrne/status/1334220338679476228) I've followed Patrick for many years now and respect his work on Bitcoin & Blockchain tech and his work against naked short selling on wall street (First saw him on Keiser report ages ago) The video makes interesting viewing, everything he says is PLAUSIBLE, again though, we're yet to see anything :-\ :dunno:



Not actually quite right.


- There are always mistakes and errors within every election. They have identified those cases and the most votes in any situation has been I think 129 and nothing more.
- The affidavit stuff: 99% of them come from a process where they sent out emails to supporters and asked if they saw any fraud to go to a link and fill in a web form. It had the legal statements and apparently reCaptcha (which apparently helps for a digital thing have the bare minimum vetting level to have it classes as a one)
- They supposedly vetted a lot of these but even those removed were accidentally submitted into more than one of their court cases.
- Some of the ones submitted instantly questioned by judges - all without proof but many who claim to be for the same region/state contradict each other. This is the biggest thing. Out of 100's of these things for one poll centre for example all but 3 were not even anywhere near. A lot of the submissions came from the Trump supports who went to poll centres trying to be observers themselves claiming they could not see or saw dodgy stuff!


- The other thing is they have shown off and have people shown up at their fake hearings and kangaroo courts (not real) and thus not sworn in in any way allowing them to make their wild claims. They have yet in court had any witness sworn in under oaf or submitted their full affidavit and claims because that would mean those people would be liable as well as them - They basically know its trash.
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[/size]- In most of their actions as well they have had to admit in front of a judge that they are NOT claiming Fraud either, because again in court and in the actual legal real world they can not make the claims.
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[/size]They have basically claimed everything and anything at this point. As one thing fails they have gone and tried something else.
[/size]This guy has basically covered it all:
https://www.youtube.com/user/briantylercohen
Basically shows how despite what is said, in the courts etc there is nothing.


There are actually big flaws in a lot of their claims.


- Machines switching votes in states where machines were not actually used
- Machines switching but the fact they print the ballets and those have been recounted and show no disparity is ignored
- The two companies they mentioned that are owned by the same people and thus in cahoots with the big list of all the conspiracy groups including someone who has been dead for years!! Are actually RIVAL companies and NOT related.


I can go on but been following this a lot in fascination at the claims vs reality and just how fantastical it has become and how they are allowed to do this. Laws, policies and more will change as a result to prevent this in the future.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: matt5cott on December 04, 2020, 10:09:48 AM
Having watched parts of some of the weird hearings there clearly is evidence and there clearly was fraud (as there is at any human ran election)  However they seem to keep claiming there's bigger and better evidence, all this "unleash the kraken" Rhetoric so far has been just talk.

I think we're on a similar page here, most of your post is what I meant when I said the above :)



Although since I wrote that actual evidence is now surfacing online finally, some interesting videos of what appears to be a USB drive "secretly" Being passed from off of a machine, and videos of a voting centre being "Shut down" People leaving, then loads of gear being pulled from under tables :lol: :lol: :lol: Hopefully this all ends up in a proper court hearing and quickly, it needs sorting.

This was the kind of evidence I was expecting from the get go.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on December 04, 2020, 17:36:23 PM
As to Trump's claims they are covered by the BBC, and if you check every other main news network, including Fox news, goes against him.

"Shocking"

"Shocking" is the bit where US Attorney General William Barr says directly on TV that there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud in the election...

https://apnews.com/article/barr-no-widespread-election-fraud-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on December 09, 2020, 18:00:55 PM
Supreme court unanimously crushes Trump case. Even the three Trump appointees voted against.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14vLOszvBCc
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: neXus on December 10, 2020, 00:03:08 AM
Having watched parts of some of the weird hearings there clearly is evidence and there clearly was fraud (as there is at any human ran election)  However they seem to keep claiming there's bigger and better evidence, all this "unleash the kraken" Rhetoric so far has been just talk.

I think we're on a similar page here, most of your post is what I meant when I said the above :)



Although since I wrote that actual evidence is now surfacing online finally, some interesting videos of what appears to be a USB drive "secretly" Being passed from off of a machine, and videos of a voting centre being "Shut down" People leaving, then loads of gear being pulled from under tables :lol: :lol: :lol: Hopefully this all ends up in a proper court hearing and quickly, it needs sorting.

This was the kind of evidence I was expecting from the get go.




The USB:
The person in the video was not responsible for certifying results, this can only be done by the election boardThe videos shows the worker conducting a routine check of the number of ballots that had been recounted. The USb drive is used to transfer a report of counted batch of ballots to a computer equiped with the only program that can read themThis is one way and can only output and has no means of changing code or adding in. This can only be done from the inside which is locked that no worker has the key for and with a laptop and specific software.The video was taken DURING A RECOUNT, not the actual voting.
Boxes:

This has already been investigated and debunked
The water leak was ONLy a urinal that overflowed earlier in the day and not at the timeNo one actually asked anyone to leave. Media were leaving and watchers were still thereThe boxes contained sealed counted ballets from that table and put there ready to be moved at the end. As standard practice across the US where workers counting votes fill the boxes of counted ballets, have them sealed in a certain way by members another worker and placed ready for pickup. Some locations who have a place to store these moved them straight the way, others will less space will do things like store them under tables.
None of these actually presented in a court of law because they would not hold up. These and videos that have been proven modified or edited in certain ways to look dodgy just do not hold up and are done to fuel the flames amount people who want to believe them.

Trump is 1-51 and that 1 was so minor it should not even count.
He is loosing at the top court level and lost 10 Cases in ONE DAY as well now.

Safe Harbour has now occurred as well.


Ultimately:

- Trump is a baby and does not like loosing and has ALWAYS claimed he won even when he lost
- He is the biggest liar and cheater and his golfing is a good example of that
- He thought he was making friends and moving "HIS" people into place when ultimately as is the case in politics and power, those people were just getting what they want and do not actually care about him.
- Many republicans are NOT scared of Trump, it is just this cult like following that have become Republican as a result they want to try and keep in some way for voting in 4 years time as well as run offs before that. They do not want Trump back or to run again but they know if they loose too many of his Cult they will not do well for some time as their party is in a mess as a result of... Trump.

- Trump HAS crippling debt both from campaigning and is businesses and he is simply using his cult following to get money out of them.
- Trump is also concerned that he can not pardon himself or his family against things he has not been committed in doing yet and is worried about his downfall when he looses a lot of his protections.

If Trump is not locked up or tied up in a million court cases for the rest of his life or bankrupt he will try and be something, start a media company, spout conspiracy theories and nonsense to those who watch and he may hold a few million, but the rest who voted for him will move on to other conspiracy or crazy rants or follow someone else in time.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: neXus on December 10, 2020, 00:04:02 AM
Supreme court unanimously crushes Trump case. Even the three Trump appointees voted against.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14vLOszvBCc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14vLOszvBCc)
Which he thought all along would be backing him. A hope that if he can get it to them they would be in his debt and do him favours. This is a clear "We got what we want with you giving us power, now go die under a rock"
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: matt5cott on December 10, 2020, 10:46:04 AM
I think you chaps have a bit of Trump bashing tunnel vision, as much as the guy is a dick you're both talking about the wrong court case, the one thrown out of the supreme court isn't his, he's taking part in Texas +18 other states VS Penns/Georg/Wisc/Michi which I'd describe as some sort of royal rumble mashup :lol: and yes that may still be thrown out of the Supreme court.

As for the videos being "debunked" In what I'd put politely as in a partisan manner, there will always be an "Explanation"
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on December 10, 2020, 16:27:51 PM
I think you chaps have a bit of Trump bashing tunnel vision, as much as the guy is a dick you're both talking about the wrong court case, the one thrown out of the supreme court isn't his, he's taking part in Texas +18 other states VS Penns/Georg/Wisc/Michi which I'd describe as some sort of royal rumble mashup :lol: and yes that may still be thrown out of the Supreme court.

As for the videos being "debunked" In what I'd put politely as in a partisan manner, there will always be an "Explanation"

Who do you think prompted this court case? Trump asked for the case, it's his supporters that pushed for it.

As to your supposed second case. it seems to be ONLY TEXAS. That would be FEDERAL government interfering in STATE government. Basically the same case but with four defendants, and equally unlikely to succeed. They have offered no evidence.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/08/texas-sues-four-battleground-states-in-supreme-court-over-unlawful-election-results.html
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: matt5cott on December 10, 2020, 17:54:25 PM
Indeed, there's no stated evidence in the docket but there are allegations, I'm not sure if they're hoping it gets as far as the "discovery" Phase and they can perhaps present whatever it is they claim to have then :dunno:
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163248/20201209163606702_TX%20v.%20PA%20Motion%20and%20Amicus%20Brief.pdf
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163322/20201210115500103_2020-12-10%20-%20Motion%20to%20Intervene%20and%20Proposed%20Bill%20of%20Complaint%20-%20Final%20With%20Tables.pdf

The press attributes anything supporting as a "Trump case" This is the case that McDonalds Trump has said he's behind and his name is on, along with Texas, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi and Utah (also backed by other states). As I've said before I don't see what the issue is with him having his day/s in court, it would be massively publicised and if he's the giant tit everyone thinks he is and he's chatting absolute BS then let him put it forward on the biggest stage and potentially go out to the price is right horn, anyone can say there is or isn't fraud, and anyone can explain something away with a mixed degree of credibility, legitimising the result is beneficial for both sides.

Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: neXus on December 10, 2020, 23:51:13 PM
I think you chaps have a bit of Trump bashing tunnel vision, as much as the guy is a dick you're both talking about the wrong court case, the one thrown out of the supreme court isn't his, he's taking part in Texas +18 other states VS Penns/Georg/Wisc/Michi which I'd describe as some sort of royal rumble mashup :lol: and yes that may still be thrown out of the Supreme court.

As for the videos being "debunked" In what I'd put politely as in a partisan manner, there will always be an "Explanation"
Far From it, I am very big on facts, learning about things making sure I have the correct information - checking multiple sources and understanding what is going on in what I see.
I am not referring to any particular court case. The Trump Lawyers are 1-51 I think still right now which looks to be nearly 1-60 maybe even by the end of the week. Most of the "Evidence" presented online or in these fake hearings only a handful have actually been presented in court and have been smashed by the courts and slammed for being nothing but hearsay.


The new one with Texas and the states has been slammed by pretty much everyone, not for Trump but for all the party members who think they need to do this to be in good favour for the Trump supporters.


This is what it is now, Trump is a mental and one of the biggest idiots out there but he has resonated with the idiots out there and there is sadly A LOT OF THEM :(
From that many in Republican party seem to think they need to hold on to those numbers some how and they can only do that by looking like they supported Trump and it was the other "Powers" that they lost - They tried for "Their Man". Dammed if it is destroying the US constitution or anything else - A very dangerous game which will clearly fall on it's face.


In terms of the videos there is more than "Explanations" but real world proof to show they are not Fraud. I literally watched a video of someone trying to hack the same voting machines with a USB to prove you can not input via that method. I have seen the other part of the video footage (not shown in the "Fraud proof") showing the same person going over to the computer to plug in the USB and use it with the software to pull the data out.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: neXus on December 10, 2020, 23:52:54 PM
I think you chaps have a bit of Trump bashing tunnel vision, as much as the guy is a dick you're both talking about the wrong court case, the one thrown out of the supreme court isn't his, he's taking part in Texas +18 other states VS Penns/Georg/Wisc/Michi which I'd describe as some sort of royal rumble mashup :lol: and yes that may still be thrown out of the Supreme court.

As for the videos being "debunked" In what I'd put politely as in a partisan manner, there will always be an "Explanation"

Who do you think prompted this court case? Trump asked for the case, it's his supporters that pushed for it.

As to your supposed second case. it seems to be ONLY TEXAS. That would be FEDERAL government interfering in STATE government. Basically the same case but with four defendants, and equally unlikely to succeed. They have offered no evidence.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/08/texas-sues-four-battleground-states-in-supreme-court-over-unlawful-election-results.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/08/texas-sues-four-battleground-states-in-supreme-court-over-unlawful-election-results.html)


That guy is one of the biggest Trump supporters. Texas did not want mail in voting because Trump decided he did not want it and had the worst voting centre locations per capita that any other state.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on December 11, 2020, 12:10:34 PM
He looks like one of the biggest Trump supporters, there are reasons why he might be faking it. Firstly he wants a presidential pardon, the feds are investigating him for multiple crimes. Secondly he might be trying to get the backing of the Trump voters.

Either way this is one State trying to interfere with the election rules of another state - I'm fairly sure that it is not legal under the constitution.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on December 12, 2020, 01:58:59 AM
And I was right!

Texas has no right to even file the lawsuit because Texas has no right to challenge how another state conducts it's elections.

Complete rejection. This is fun. Anything else?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qcwra9qFhLU
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: matt5cott on December 12, 2020, 12:21:47 PM
Captain Orange won't be happy with that, he'd put his name to it quite publicly, what's left... In the last 12 hours or so Sidney Powell has put in 4 cases specifically alleging fraud in Georgia, Michigan, Arizona and Wisconsin apparently they "prove massive fraud"


Maajid Nawaz did an interesting thread on where Trumper can go from here, https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1337704197509308417 the following being the fruitiest link of the lot https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on December 13, 2020, 01:07:52 AM
 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

They have already lost 50 lawsuits. The Texas one was dropped because it has to go through the state in question not from another state. This is now just desperation.

On December 14, 2020 the electors gather in their state's capital and cast their votes, after that they are counted January 6th. At that point there may be some challenge, but it is expected to have no effect.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on December 13, 2020, 05:50:35 AM
In the last 12 hours or so Sidney Powell has put in 4 cases specifically alleging fraud in Georgia, Michigan, Arizona and Wisconsin apparently they "prove massive fraud"
"‘Few lawsuits breathe more lies than this one’: Judge eviscerates Sidney Powell election lawsuit" These do not appear to be new but an attempt to appeal to the supreme court because they were lodged a week after they should have been and with no evidence while asking the judges to overrule millions of votes in Trump's favour.

From link "A team of attorneys relying on conspiracies and misinformation to argue President Donald Trump actually won the election in Michigan filed a legal long shot Friday in the hopes the U.S. Supreme Court will take up their case before the Electoral College votes on Monday. Local and national legal experts told the Free Press on Saturday the court will not take up the request, but said the efforts of Sidney Powell and her team continue to undermine the will of voters in Michigan and confidence in the electoral system."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-trump-attorney-files-legal-hail-mary-asks-supreme-court-to-review-michigan-case/ar-BB1bSoA1
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on December 14, 2020, 23:11:27 PM
electoral college has voted, Biden wins.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: neXus on December 15, 2020, 05:26:46 AM
electoral college has voted, Biden wins.
Watching the Trumper's going "Still not over" and things like "Not final" is really funny!
Watching a republican live on CNN just refuse to answer basic questions and bark the same fraud and "free election" crap and forced to say he did not accept Biden as President Elect was pretty funny as well today.


The Republican party is a shambles and in a right mess. All their supports are Trumper's and they doubled down on Trump and it has (As expected) has all backfired and they are in a mess. You have others who are either just nuts, looking for a pardon for something or for what ever reason backing Trump to try and get some of favour from his supporters.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: matt5cott on December 15, 2020, 09:38:56 AM
Bookies rightly or wrongly paid out on China Joe after the EC vote, this lead to a bunch of people losing it on twitter as per neXus above ("not final" etc) I was saying basically before you start melting down why don't you just wait and see if he somehow pulls a win out of nowhere first, fell on deaf ears.

The optics on this have been fascinating, stray from a hard anti-trump line and you're "pro trump" Want to wait till all the court cases etc are done and all the dust settles? "pro trump" Point out that labelling all 74 million voters as thick is a ridiculous thing to do? "pro trump" All will see you met with derision for being seen as one of "the deplorables"



IMO We're at this weird juncture where the democratic side swallows literally anything orthodox mainstream press say as it's 99% what they want to hear, and the other side appears to be pinning their hopes on similarly often wild claims made on social media again 99% of what they want to hear.

I daresay the truth lies in there somewhere, maybe in the middle, maybe to either side, but as usual it'll be likely after the event until it all comes out in the wash, these things often do eventually but pretty much always when it's too late! Despite Serious seemingly finding it hilarious (though the laughter may have been directed at some of the court cases) I'm still of the opinion there was significant fraud at play.


Anyway the least surprising thing is no matter what happens going forward, America goes from one pants president to another.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on December 15, 2020, 10:14:41 AM
Not only are people more partisan than ever and will-double down on anything fed to them via their social media echo chamber of choice, but the Overton window is also moving at a scary rate into extreme territories.

I don't think things will improve at all under Biden; even if he was a capable President I don't believe there's enough time and support to make meaningful political, social or economic change. At best we might have better international relations due to the new foreign policy team? :dunno:
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on December 15, 2020, 16:10:36 PM
At best we might have better international relations due to the new foreign policy team? :dunno:

As long as we preserve the Good Friday Agreement we won't be that much worse off.

The issue is that if we end up under WTO terms then we have to apply tariffs. That means imports from EU have to be checked. We let EU good through without tariffs then we have to let everyone's goods through of the same kind without tariff. If you don't then immediate punitive tariffs could be applied.

Boris and other Tory ministers did their best to insult Biden, Obama and others who are now important in the American political system. So don't expect them to be willing to do us any favours. America might put punitive tariffs on us anyway early in January - before Biden is in office.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on January 26, 2021, 19:51:43 PM
Dominion, makers of the software and equipment used to count votes in some US states is now suing Sidney Powell and Rudi Giuliani over election claims in separate cases. They are asking $1.3 billion in damages from each of the defendants.

I think that confirms that there is no evidence whatsoever of Trump's fraud claims. The only people guilty of fraud seem to be Republicans and Trumpists.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: neXus on January 26, 2021, 23:02:01 PM
Dominion, makers of the software and equipment used to count votes in some US states is now suing Sidney Powell and Rudi Giuliani over election claims in separate cases. They are asking $1.3 billion in damages from each of the defendants.

I think that confirms that there is no evidence whatsoever of Trump's fraud claims. The only people guilty of fraud seem to be Republicans and Trumpists.
Rudi is like "I finally get to see all they have to hide, they stupid, going to be found out blablablaba"


I think he is honestly just insane at this point, he has to be?
If this company, who has been through several agencies, handed their code over to be verified to be able to run their service, have public records... And basically be an open book who sue knowing that the other side can request documents etc and not fussed about it - They feel confident and know they are all good.


I hope Sidney Powell and Rudi Giuliani[/size] go up in court, get names wrong, just be my cousin Vinny layers with no happy ending and just make an embarrassment of themselves as they fall.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: matt5cott on January 27, 2021, 09:52:05 AM
Dominion, makers of the software and equipment used to count votes in some US states is now suing Sidney Powell and Rudi Giuliani over election claims in separate cases. They are asking $1.3 billion in damages from each of the defendants.

I think that confirms that there is no evidence whatsoever of Trump's fraud claims. The only people guilty of fraud seem to be Republicans and Trumpists.


I'm not sure it works like that, I certainly hope you're never accused of a crime :lol:
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: matt5cott on January 27, 2021, 10:04:54 AM
Interestingly before Parler was biffed Kim Dotcom stated that "voter fraud was real" And posted details, predictably this is currently dead along with Parler (it may come back?) Though there's still a tweet up on twitter referencing it,

"Kim Dotcom
@KimDotcom
Just dropped the Dominion Voting Machine bomb exclusively on @parler_app
 
Smiling face with sunglasses"
https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1347665734873214977


I find this interesting as Kim certainly has the know how and contacts for this statement, but more importantly he HATES Trump, so why say it? I personally value Kim and the previously mentioned Patrick Byrne's insight over the gutter press.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on January 27, 2021, 19:53:06 PM
Dominion, makers of the software and equipment used to count votes in some US states is now suing Sidney Powell and Rudi Giuliani over election claims in separate cases. They are asking $1.3 billion in damages from each of the defendants.

I think that confirms that there is no evidence whatsoever of Trump's fraud claims. The only people guilty of fraud seem to be Republicans and Trumpists.


I'm not sure it works like that, I certainly hope you're never accused of a crime :lol:

Obviously you have not kept up on the issues, all Trump cases saying fraud kicked out by judges because no evidence at all was provided. If they had any they would have put it forward.

Neither defendant has ever provided any. They have made claims in front of press but as soon as they were in court they couldn't remember any of it.

What they did say in front of the press was recorded, and it is evidence, for Dominion.

There is always vote rigging in the US elections, the Republicans close as many voting centres as they can in Democratic areas for a start. The elections are rigged towards the Republicans by several million votes.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: neXus on January 27, 2021, 23:28:49 PM
Dominion, makers of the software and equipment used to count votes in some US states is now suing Sidney Powell and Rudi Giuliani over election claims in separate cases. They are asking $1.3 billion in damages from each of the defendants.

I think that confirms that there is no evidence whatsoever of Trump's fraud claims. The only people guilty of fraud seem to be Republicans and Trumpists.


I'm not sure it works like that, I certainly hope you're never accused of a crime :lol:

Obviously you have not kept up on the issues, all Trump cases saying fraud kicked out by judges because no evidence at all was provided. If they had any they would have put it forward.

Neither defendant has ever provided any. They have made claims in front of press but as soon as they were in court they couldn't remember any of it.

What they did say in front of the press was recorded, and it is evidence, for Dominion.

There is always vote rigging in the US elections, the Republicans close as many voting centres as they can in Democratic areas for a start. The elections are rigged towards the Republicans by several million votes.


Yep and all the Machine stuff is 100% false.


1. They are making claims about machines only in the states they lost, but they worked fine (same machines) in states they won.
2. Past voting machines could be hacked but the machines used last year have a paper trail solution in place. For every vote cast the paper ballet is created and stored. That plus the registration are compared and checked.
3. Hand Audits HAVE been done and counting the paper votes and they match up with machine votes in these cases.
4. The Machines DO NOT HAVE MODEMS so they can not be hacked externally
5. While they do have USB ports a USB stick can only get an option to download data and nothing else. ONLY a laptop connected with the right software and security details can get access that requires a reboot into a different mode.
6. Avid Technology has been mentioned because Dominion CEO has investment in it - It does not make voting software and has nothing to do with the machines used.
7. The machines and software went through federal checks including all source code and went through the team set up by trump to be marked as safe for them to be used
8. Link with Smartmatic is totally false and was just a crazy one - They are rival companies.
9. Foreign owned and linked to a dead leader - All this was just insanity, not even something to waste time on


Serious, He wont have anything and he will loose. How much he has to pay and what will be in the guilty call is all that will vary here.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: matt5cott on January 28, 2021, 16:15:50 PM
Obviously you have not kept up on the issues

I have thanks, we just don't agree is all :)
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on January 31, 2021, 00:11:54 AM
Obviously you have not kept up on the issues

I have thanks, we just don't agree is all :)

Right wing plan, lie continually and hope enough people believe you. As neXus has pointed out absolutely no truth in the allegations or they would have said it in court.

So lets see all the real 'facts' you still have.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: matt5cott on January 31, 2021, 19:37:07 PM
Obviously you have not kept up on the issues

I have thanks, we just don't agree is all :)

Right wing plan, lie continually and hope enough people believe you. As neXus has pointed out absolutely no truth in the allegations or they would have said it in court.

So lets see all the real 'facts' you still have.


I've continued to document the reasons why I arrived at my position throughout the thread despite derisory comments, I've posted external links that I found interesting and I believe throw question marks over the orthodoxy, unfortunately the last link I posted currently remains censored.

You're now calling me right wing, a liar, and continuing to deride my position by asking for further 'facts'

As above my position is not of the orthodoxy, therefore if you're expecting me to link to similar sources you've relied on in the thread namely BBC/MSN/CNBC as the arbiters of facts (without quotation marks) Then I can't, as I've previously touched upon in this thread these things have a tendency of being acknowledged, certainly by the mainstream press, long after the dust settles.


If I come across anything interesting I'll post it, but I'm not going to do a deep dive on an increasingly censored internet at the click of your fingers based on ad hominem.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on February 01, 2021, 02:39:46 AM

Right wing plan, lie continually and hope enough people believe you.

You're now calling me right wing, a liar, and continuing to deride my position by asking for further 'facts'


I clearly said RIGHT WING PLAN. I did not call you right wing or a liar here.

The plan is that of the Trumpists in the USA. The UK government are following the same strategy.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: neXus on February 01, 2021, 04:50:35 AM
Obviously you have not kept up on the issues

I have thanks, we just don't agree is all :)

Right wing plan, lie continually and hope enough people believe you. As neXus has pointed out absolutely no truth in the allegations or they would have said it in court.

So lets see all the real 'facts' you still have.


I've continued to document the reasons why I arrived at my position throughout the thread despite derisory comments, I've posted external links that I found interesting and I believe throw question marks over the orthodoxy, unfortunately the last link I posted currently remains censored.

You're now calling me right wing, a liar, and continuing to deride my position by asking for further 'facts'

As above my position is not of the orthodoxy, therefore if you're expecting me to link to similar sources you've relied on in the thread namely BBC/MSN/CNBC as the arbiters of facts (without quotation marks) Then I can't, as I've previously touched upon in this thread these things have a tendency of being acknowledged, certainly by the mainstream press, long after the dust settles.


If I come across anything interesting I'll post it, but I'm not going to do a deep dive on an increasingly censored internet at the click of your fingers based on ad hominem.


I do not think he pointed to you directly on anything.
All the stuff you linked were created with the agenda though. All have been debunked and most pretty much just releasing the full videos and explaining with facts and proof to back up those. They were just alle edited in a way along with lack of context to specifically look dodgy.
No trump law suit or campaign or even media spam re-used any of those once they got debunked and then they only floated on social.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on February 02, 2021, 23:04:58 PM
Looks like all the 5 lawyers Trump had to defend him resigned a couple of days ago due to differences. Now he's got two different ones in. Although neither is good it really doesn't matter cause even if found with a bloody knife standing over his victims the republicans are still probably not going to impeach.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: neXus on February 03, 2021, 00:10:58 AM
Looks like all the 5 lawyers Trump had to defend him resigned a couple of days ago due to differences. Now he's got two different ones in. Although neither is good it really doesn't matter cause even if found with a bloody knife standing over his victims the republicans are still probably not going to impeach.
And the new ones spelt United States wrong lol.
https://twitter.com/pbump/status/1356659396726714368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1356659396726714368%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rawstory.com%2Fr%2Fentryeditor%2F2650257648publish


Even if a typo - Layers and legal documents are supposed to be doing those 100%
His new set of layers have slipped in a little of the election fraud nonsense to appease him, I think the bare minimum they would want to put in as even the new ones likely the same as the old knowing that is nonsense.
If Trump turns up and rants off about the election it will look crazy time. The problem is I think even if the evidence is strong and he is bang to rights not enough republicans will vote to impeach.


Ted Cruz is also trying to now step away from Trump and denying a lot of what he said and did (thats on video) because he needs to build his own presidency campaign. Fine line of denouncing Trump but wanting to keep his crazy supporters so they vote for him.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on February 03, 2021, 22:59:44 PM
Yep, they aren't doing a spectacularly good job, David Schoen humiliated himself on Hannity. then with Trump and the present Republicans they probably aren't going to need to.

New Trump lawyer admits in submission that there is NO EVIDENCE OF ELECTION FRAUD...

Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on February 25, 2021, 08:54:25 AM
My pillow guy gets sued over election fraud claims, joining quite a few others including Fox News.

All remaining trump lawsuits dismissed by supreme court. If anyone was going to uphold one it was a court loaded by Trump appointees.

Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: neXus on March 03, 2021, 02:09:58 AM
Is it just me or was that CPAC event just totally insanity?
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on March 03, 2021, 10:30:16 AM
Is it just me or was that CPAC event just totally insanity?

Completely loony. I think the Republicans have completely lost the plot, although the UK Tory party isn't that far behind them because of disaster capitalism and the public having no idea what is going on due to media propaganda.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: neXus on March 04, 2021, 01:52:09 AM
Is it just me or was that CPAC event just totally insanity?

Completely loony. I think the Republicans have completely lost the plot, although the UK Tory party isn't that far behind them because of disaster capitalism and the public having no idea what is going on due to media propaganda.
True.
Literally never been across CPAC before and looked into previous years before Trump and even as president. Even then it was not as crazy but before it was all about policies, how to counter Democratic views. Republicans defiantly not my view liking and some very extreme and more about Rich getting Richer but yeah... This recent one - None of that... Just Insanity.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on April 09, 2021, 11:56:04 AM
Sidney Powell's defense in Dominion lawsuit, "you didn't believe me, did you?"

Which goes against her defense in putting up lots and lots of spurious cases for claimed voter fraud. She can't win this, either way she is likely to lose.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/sydney-powells-defense-1-3-165024099.html

Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: neXus on April 12, 2021, 02:41:12 AM
Sidney Powell's defense in Dominion lawsuit, "you didn't believe me, did you?"

Which goes against her defense in putting up lots and lots of spurious cases for claimed voter fraud. She can't win this, either way she is likely to lose.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/sydney-powells-defense-1-3-165024099.html (https://uk.yahoo.com/news/sydney-powells-defense-1-3-165024099.html)


When I was reading about this when this first came out my eyes rolled.
In the specific lawsuit that admittance alone technically is enough and a number of youtube lawyers have been stunned how she and her team think they can outline this. The Dominion lawyers have said they will open to move for rulling as soon as court opens based on their statement alone. They believe the judge will want to hear everything but the move alone will matter in the courts.
They may not get the amount they want of course but they will win it for sure.
What is worse is saying "no reasonable person would conclude that the statements were truly statements of fact" has riled up the judges she and her team have taken things to court on everything. At best she is facing multiple cases of wasting courts time which alone can get time in jail and she could be seeing a lot worse across multiple states.

Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on April 12, 2021, 23:02:31 PM
As long as it bankrupts her and preferably results in her qualifications being withdrawn it's a win.

Also opens up all the other similar lawsuits to the same result. Could be very expensive for Fox News (read lies)
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: neXus on April 13, 2021, 05:48:59 AM
As long as it bankrupts her and preferably results in her qualifications being withdrawn it's a win.

Also opens up all the other similar lawsuits to the same result. Could be very expensive for Fox News (read lies)
That is the thing, if she looses then it will not be the last.
Begs the questions really...


1. If she actually believed it with no evidence what planet is she from and how on earth did she get such a position as a lawyer let alone involved with the president of the country.
2. If she knew it was all a lie did she honestly think she would get away with it at the time in the courts with no evidence and then after? That means she was just doing it for the big con to rally the trump supporters into an illegal process of saying the election was rigged when it was not.


And everything in between.. The end game with that lot just baffles me.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: neXus on April 13, 2021, 05:50:32 AM
Trump again still calling it all rigged etc.
Is the grift still continuing?
He lost more legal battles and it was proven in court the recurring payments scam was just that and illegal and he has to pay like 170million back so surely not still grifting to continue the big lie?


If not then he really believes it was all rigged and that is very much  :panic: and then for so many Republicans still kissing his ass...  :rofl:
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: Serious on April 13, 2021, 18:09:00 PM
Trump again still calling it all rigged etc.
Is the grift still continuing?
He lost more legal battles and it was proven in court the recurring payments scam was just that and illegal and he has to pay like 170million back so surely not still grifting to continue the big lie?


If not then he really believes it was all rigged and that is very much  :panic: and then for so many Republicans still kissing his ass...  :rofl:

Trump does not have to believe it, all he's doing is making a controversy and letting the Republican idiots run with it.

If they were really up to handling this I think that Trump would find a rope or gun at his home and kill himself. Everyone would feign sadness for a few minutes then get on with their lives.

Real problem with the USA is not Trump but the way the Republicans have dummed down their voters resulting in the hijacking of the Republican party and congress people.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: matt5cott on June 06, 2022, 17:46:45 PM

I daresay the truth lies in there somewhere, maybe in the middle, maybe to either side, but as usual it'll be likely after the event until it all comes out in the wash, these things often do eventually but pretty much always when it's too late! Despite Serious seemingly finding it hilarious (though the laughter may have been directed at some of the court cases) I'm still of the opinion there was significant fraud at play.


https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-154-01

Few cracks starting to show now, as per usual of course long after the event so sod all can and will be done about it.

The machines aren't vulnerable being the official line has now shifted to, OK they were but we've no evidence to say anyone did anything. :roll: :lol:

Would have been a very different landscape if they officially admitted this back then.


More will slowly (months if not years) Follow I'm sure, time is vindicating.
Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: neXus on June 08, 2022, 04:49:54 AM
That report is done every election.
They identify possible issues, fixes and improvements.
That is nothing new and you can view previous years with similar things and possible solutions.


Most countries do this sort of thing as well. Any group tasked with the management, legal, security will always be doing this.



Title: Re: The US Election
Post by: matt5cott on June 08, 2022, 12:01:09 PM
That report is done every election.
They identify possible issues, fixes and improvements.
That is nothing new and you can view previous years with similar things and possible solutions.


Most countries do this sort of thing as well. Any group tasked with the management, legal, security will always be doing this.

So? Not sure what point you're trying to make here.