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The US Election
neXus:
This is going to be interesting. This will be a movie of strange and crazy events.
Win loose or draw what Trump does will be nothing like anything we have seen before.
The US election
This election is going to be fascinating on so many levels. (A long post)
Trumps campaign has been little about policy, roadmap and future but about misinformation, lies, social media turmoil and, accusations and insults.I am sure you all know of US voting, electoral votes, the jeririgging of seats to voting catchment areas etc. Republicans play this game the most and when ever they are in power always try to make big changes to hold on to that power so even with less votes they can still win. There has been movies on this very topic if I recall. Apparently this has been going on again this election plus the fake voting boxes and voter suppression efforts and of course Trump and co saying voting by mail has massive fraud issues which is untrue but setting the seed to have something to call upon if they loose.
Biden leads by 11/12 points but so did Hillary Clinton so who knows how things will go but Biden should win unless something dodgy happens. If he looses what will happen? I can imagine shock for one thing but how he lost will be in very hot debate or voter fraud claims made and investigations taken place.
If Trump wins - God help America.
If Trump looses his tweeter feed will be a thing to behold I am sureIf Trump looses how he will act and what he will do will be fascinating. Does anyone think he will go quietly?Trumps campaign was as many a case was a means to make money. It is silly but people make money on the campaign trail. When for what ever reason legal, aided or not that he could win and how he partnered with Republicans in a love hate relationship and then won I think in part was a surprise. As in, they tried but managed to pull it off. From there he has tried to do his best to make him and the people like him richer.
I think coming out of the election at a loss he and his family will literally be up schitt's creek. That show with the rich family who are now poor. I can see this happening with the Trump Family.
The Republicans have no one else, if they loose they will be in a bit of a mess and for a while. I think you could see 8 Years before they can get another chance. They have relied on trump to get mostly what they want and put up with him to have the power but as time has gone on it has become more strained and you either have the people doubling down with him, spurting increasingly crazy actions, chucked out for not following him or just quietly putting up with it. Now has he has got more crazy and may loose they are already prepping to distance themselves from him with some already doing so.If the Republicans loose you will see the “Blame Trump” for nearly everything occur, anyone he thought with him will turn against him as they look to avoid any of the possible actions, legal and retaliative that come with him loosing the power of a president.
What do you think will happen?
neXus:
A lot of other people by the way have stake in President Trump possibly loosing the election and I think some have been caught out with the 4 years passing already.
FCC Chairman Ajit Pai is seeing the writing on the wall and has been desperately trying to push a variety of things through in the last year. He would be gone for a start.
Interesting times ahead.
Serious:
Where to start, yes Biden was barely ahead of Hillary Clinton, but the weaponization of information that Trump's backers used, including his masters in Russia and elsewhere, doesn't seem to be anywhere near as effective this time.
The Senate basically isn't doing anything apart from trying to shove through as many Republican biased judges as they can at the moment. Even if something dodgy did go through it would then face congress. That's why Trump's last covid relief package, designed to give the rich a huge boost but the average person nothing failed.
in the end, Trump could win, but if the Senate turns Democratic he's still in the sh*t pile.
With the USA polls there are so many possible variables that you could end up with both sides claiming victory, depending on how you assess the numbers. Remember that there is the public vote, which elects selected people to the electoral college. It is then these representatives in the electoral college who vote for the President. It is only the result of their vote that matters in electing the President. Hillary won the purely numeric vote. Had it been proportional, a highest public vote wins, she would have been President. Trump won the numbers translation game, same as in Britain you can get more votes but the other party gets more MPs due to the distribution of the vote. So don't read too much into those polls.
neXus:
--- Quote from: Serious on October 21, 2020, 21:18:29 PM ---Where to start, yes Biden was barely ahead of Hillary Clinton, but the weaponization of information that Trump's backers used, including his masters in Russia and elsewhere, doesn't seem to be anywhere near as effective this time.
The Senate basically isn't doing anything apart from trying to shove through as many Republican biased judges as they can at the moment. Even if something dodgy did go through it would then face congress. That's why Trump's last covid relief package, designed to give the rich a huge boost but the average person nothing failed.
in the end, Trump could win, but if the Senate turns Democratic he's still in the sh*t pile.
With the USA polls there are so many possible variables that you could end up with both sides claiming victory, depending on how you assess the numbers. Remember that there is the public vote, which elects selected people to the electoral college. It is then these representatives in the electoral college who vote for the President. It is only the result of their vote that matters in electing the President. Hillary won the purely numeric vote. Had it been proportional, a highest public vote wins, she would have been President. Trump won the numbers translation game, same as in Britain you can get more votes but the other party gets more MPs due to the distribution of the vote. So don't read too much into those polls.
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What shocks me is that "He could win" with him basically doing nothing!
If he wins where:
- He has made rich richer and average person poorer
- Failed many other areas
- Failed to handle COVID-19
- Failed on job growth despite just saying its bette
- Lied, cheated, insulted and just been a down right person.
And in the run up to the election:
- Lied
- Insulted
- Basically been a dick
- Done rallies
- All but ZERO policies or Roadmap for the future
IF he wins that is on the American people and they are beyond saving if enough of them voted him in.
Serious:
Official polling day is the 3rd of Novermber so we should have a result not long after that. Commentators and news channels usually like to make it look close to improve their people watching numbers.
I have seen "news" articles saying that Trump is ahead and others saying he's way behind in early voting. Occasionally from the same organization. Really though the only thing that matters is winning states.
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