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Title: The world has gone mad
Post by: neXus on March 09, 2020, 00:47:12 AM
This Coronavirus crazy is driving me nuts.
On weekend, I have kids and need nappies, wipes, tissue....


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And some online thing saying Avocado's help avoid getting the virus and this:


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Only smart people here so you all know how idiotic much of the world is right now..


109,936 Current cases roughly
Deaths of 3,806
People recovered Recovered: 60,979


All deaths are from people already of ill health and elderly.


Lets take a look at the old Influenza - The flu:
This is the flu season from about October to now.


Cases: 34,000,000 – 49,000,000
Deaths: 20,000 – 52,000


The FLU is WAY worse., Yes this new virus may spread quicker and there is no vaccination but come on people :(


I am really pissed off with the media right now. Us Humans and idiots are doing the damage on social media but the real Media seem to think this is a do or die for them. For years loosing out to Social Media where people often get their latest news from their twitter feed than actual newspaper or website. The actual media has gone so hard with this virus outbreak, even the BBC has gone nuts on this. They seem to think that it is a war with social media and they have to win.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Binary Shadow on March 09, 2020, 06:33:55 AM
Yep pretty ridiculous, popped to shop yesterday and panic buying had cleared some shelves, theres just no need! Problem is now theres none for those that actually need the stuff.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on March 09, 2020, 07:37:02 AM
Thankfully, we had been stocking up on basics for months anyway (from Amazon S&S deals usually) so I'm not too worried. Also if you're that bloody concerned why are you braving going down to the shops anyway instead of ordering online for home delivery? :lol:
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: matt5cott on March 09, 2020, 08:12:08 AM
The FLU is WAY worse., Yes this new virus may spread quicker and there is no vaccination but come on people :(


I am really pissed off with the media right now. Us Humans and idiots are doing the damage on social media but the real Media seem to think this is a do or die for them. For years loosing out to Social Media where people often get their latest news from their twitter feed than actual newspaper or website. The actual media has gone so hard with this virus outbreak, even the BBC has gone nuts on this. They seem to think that it is a war with social media and they have to win.

Half the problem is there's an increasing rise in complete and utter distrust of any form of power now (rightly so) Italy locking down millions of people, Japan shutting all schools quite a while back now, US state dept officially saying a cruise isn't a good idea :lol: yet UK has nothing, infact people are pointing out on twitter last night passengers off flights from Italy were completely unchallenged on entering the UK, no checks, nothing, then you've got the NHS promoting they're "well prepared" on twitter, they're not even prepared for winter :roll:

I see a lot of the "Relax it's fine" Mantra from talking heads is coming from those with vested interests, generally with holdings in the stock market. Too early to say if it's worse or not than the flu, but if I had to bet I'd go all in on much worse than the flu, the USA haven't even been testing properly, has anywhere? :dunno:

I guess a lot depends on what you read, I read Zerohedge often, which is paranoia central https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/trump-boasts-we-have-perfectly-coordinated-plan-stop-virus-16-million-italians-wake  :lol: :lol: :tinhat: :tinhat:

I agree with you 100% on the legacy media going absolutely all out, they know they're fighting the tide coming in.

Yep pretty ridiculous, popped to shop yesterday and panic buying had cleared some shelves, theres just no need! Problem is now theres none for those that actually need the stuff.

So paradoxically there is a need :lol: Mad times :lol:
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: knighty on March 09, 2020, 09:23:20 AM
a mate of mine has half a shipping container full of hand sanitizer... he normally gives it away free with stuff he sells online.... he's started selling it for £10 a bottle now

it's mental... I don't agree with profiteering... but at the same time I wish I was the one with the stock!
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: soopahfly on March 09, 2020, 10:52:44 AM
I'm not too bothered about running out of bog-roll, there are plenty of alternatives.
Even hand sanitiser isn't a worry if you're desperate.  The WHO has a guide on their website about how to make some
https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_Local_Production.pdf

Granted, it's going to be several gallons of the stuff but still....

Or even this
https://www.popsci.com/story/diy/diy-hand-sanitizer/

Tea tree oil, aloe vera, isopropyl alcohol and water.  Done.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on March 09, 2020, 14:01:48 PM
I work from home now, but just had word that because a visitor with Coronavirus went to the first floor of the building where our office is in London, they've had to close the entire building for two weeks. Glad I'm working remote tbh.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Serious on March 09, 2020, 19:27:31 PM
Huge amount of paranoia going around fed by the press and governments.

The death toll has been low between 10 yrs and 60 yrs under 0.4%, above that it rises with the highest chance of dying above 80 and with underlying other medical conditions.

Then one Tory suggested it might help deal with elderly people stuck in hospital beds.

Overall it's not an end of humanity issue.

Funniest bit was a medical woman advising don't touch your face and then promptly licking her finger to turn the page on her notes. EPIC FAIL!
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: neXus on March 09, 2020, 23:38:37 PM
I'm not too bothered about running out of bog-roll, there are plenty of alternatives.
Even hand sanitiser isn't a worry if you're desperate.  The WHO has a guide on their website about how to make some
https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_Local_Production.pdf (https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_Local_Production.pdf)

Granted, it's going to be several gallons of the stuff but still....

Or even this
https://www.popsci.com/story/diy/diy-hand-sanitizer/ (https://www.popsci.com/story/diy/diy-hand-sanitizer/)

Tea tree oil, aloe vera, isopropyl alcohol and water.  Done.


I got new avatars for you.. :)


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Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Binary Shadow on March 10, 2020, 06:18:44 AM
Also if you're that bloody concerned why are you braving going down to the shops anyway instead of ordering online for home delivery? :lol:
we usually order online.. panic on there meant no delivery slots this week!
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: soopahfly on March 10, 2020, 10:44:56 AM
I'm not too bothered about running out of bog-roll, there are plenty of alternatives.
Even hand sanitiser isn't a worry if you're desperate.  The WHO has a guide on their website about how to make some
https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_Local_Production.pdf (https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_Local_Production.pdf)

Granted, it's going to be several gallons of the stuff but still....

Or even this
https://www.popsci.com/story/diy/diy-hand-sanitizer/ (https://www.popsci.com/story/diy/diy-hand-sanitizer/)

Tea tree oil, aloe vera, isopropyl alcohol and water.  Done.


I got new avatars for you.. :)


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I've not got to that point yet!!
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: neXus on March 11, 2020, 02:07:00 AM
I'm not too bothered about running out of bog-roll, there are plenty of alternatives.
Even hand sanitiser isn't a worry if you're desperate.  The WHO has a guide on their website about how to make some
https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_Local_Production.pdf (https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_Local_Production.pdf)

Granted, it's going to be several gallons of the stuff but still....

Or even this
https://www.popsci.com/story/diy/diy-hand-sanitizer/ (https://www.popsci.com/story/diy/diy-hand-sanitizer/)

Tea tree oil, aloe vera, isopropyl alcohol and water.  Done.


I got new avatars for you.. :)


(https://i.imgur.com/4WkXWL7.png)


(https://i.imgur.com/iyYSN7D.png)


(https://i.imgur.com/xmYYTAs.png)

I've not got to that point yet!!


He has, new Picard on Amazon Prime - Will Riker made his appearance. This is how Riker looks now.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Serious on March 11, 2020, 17:32:47 PM

I've not got to that point yet!!


He has, new Picard on Amazon Prime - Will Riker made his appearance. This is how Riker looks now.

Soopah isn't 65 yet... Whatcha mean he's over 80?  :muttley: :muttley: :muttley:
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: soopahfly on March 11, 2020, 21:15:28 PM
I meant I'm only just on episode 6 😂
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: neXus on March 12, 2020, 00:40:55 AM
I meant I'm only just on episode 6 😂
OH, HAHAHA.
Well no spoilers there as everyone knew he was in it :)

Enjoying it so far?


Back on topic....


Lock down and work from home talk or already in place globally, people buying medicines at Chemist and that selling out... Basically even if your not a complete idiot people are stock piling because of the posibility that you have to work from home, schools may close or you are not allowed out - Italy is the extreme but San Fransisco for example is basically on work from home lockdown already.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: DEViANCE on March 12, 2020, 19:01:28 PM
I think its crazy the world is literally switching off, shutting down and doing all sorts of damage that will take generations to recover from just because there is a nasty cold going around.

By all means but the most vulnerable in society in a bubble somewhere until the vaccine is approved but come on! let the rest of us get on with life! AND STOP CANCELLING MY SPORTS EVENTS! :P
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: neXus on March 13, 2020, 04:47:09 AM
I think its crazy the world is literally switching off, shutting down and doing all sorts of damage that will take generations to recover from just because there is a nasty cold going around.

By all means but the most vulnerable in society in a bubble somewhere until the vaccine is approved but come on! let the rest of us get on with life! AND STOP CANCELLING MY SPORTS EVENTS! :p


I get that there needs to be some containment going on but a well known US doctor was on a show yesterday basically saying that as soon as you have a drop and remove the lockdowns it will just pick back up. Like he said - It is the flu and falls under the same as that. It has a longer period showing signs 14-25 days then the normal flue and it is in the air like the flu but it is just the same. Until you have a vaccine out there available then you just do as you do with the flu.
He was super pissed with the Media.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: knighty on March 13, 2020, 10:55:54 AM
shutting down and doing all sorts of damage that will take generations to recover from

what damage is being done?
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Serious on March 13, 2020, 18:26:34 PM
I think its crazy the world is literally switching off, shutting down and doing all sorts of damage that will take generations to recover from just because there is a nasty cold going around.

By all means but the most vulnerable in society in a bubble somewhere until the vaccine is approved but come on! let the rest of us get on with life! AND STOP CANCELLING MY SPORTS EVENTS! :P

The coronavirus is not a flu virus, it kills about 40 times as many people who get infected. Which is fine if you don't have any elderly relatives or those with compromised immune systems. A vaccine could take a year or more to reach full production so not next Friday in time for the match.

Actually I don't care about sports events being cancelled, would much prefer watching Boris doing a 10Km swim chased by a horde of hungry sharks. Of course you can always watch old ones repeated on TV, then you can know who is going to win and only watch the ones where the side you support does.

It limits the transmission of the disease, or perhaps you think that a sporting event is worth more than people's lives?
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: DEViANCE on March 14, 2020, 07:10:20 AM
shutting down and doing all sorts of damage that will take generations to recover from

what damage is being done?

The world economy will go into recession, house prices will fall, companies will go bust, people will lose their jobs, savings and pensions, that's all.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Bacon on March 19, 2020, 15:06:06 PM
Thought i would check in, i was made redundant yesterday, i have until the end of april but i cannot work from home.

I am also diabetic, i believe my health is in good order, but i am worried a bit, both my brothers are sick with various issues and im alone most of the time as my parents and other close family are gone.

I will have to work until my contract ends, so lets hope youre all wrong and this doesnt escalate as i have enough problems now with rent / high car insurance and other bills.

Just got my feet back on the ground too  ::) :panic: :)
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on March 19, 2020, 17:36:41 PM
Really sorry to hear that. All the supermarkets are hiring now for picking, packing, driving, delivering etc because of the demand, you should see if its viable for you mate. Take care of yourself and stay safe.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Serious on March 19, 2020, 21:29:58 PM
Don't expect this to get better any time soon. If anything it is going to get worse for the next few months.

Government was caught trying to ignore the issue, and we might just pay a hefty cost for them trying to pretend that herd immunity is a good option. NHS is already very badly stretched and this on top could well break it.

I am on self imposed home quarantine, not because I have it, but because I might catch it.

Seems to be plenty of fake advice not to take ibuprofen if you think you are infected, and a little real circumstantial evidence, still better to take paracetamol if you need to take either and have no issues with that.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on March 20, 2020, 08:08:43 AM
Actual NHS advice is to continue to take Ibuprofen if you already are for an underlying condition/as recommended by GP, otherwise try paracetamol first and use Ibuprofen as a last resort - only because as an anti-inflammatory it could, maybe, potentially complicate the effects of coronavirus - there is no hard evidence either way though so just be cautious.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on March 20, 2020, 08:11:45 AM
Everyone stay in touch and let us know how you are, stay fit :ptu:

My personal advice is, if you're struggling to get essentials try a local farm shop as many are offering delivery or safe collection now; you'll pay a bit more but get quality goods and support your local producer (who could struggle at a time like this) and you won't get shafted by the moronic supermarkets who did too little too late, are cancelling orders, not managing stock, not delivering essentials, etc.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: DEViANCE on March 20, 2020, 18:12:27 PM
Big news tonight, the government is basically going to pay everyone 80% of their wage for the foreseeable if you need it.

God know how we're going to pay for this but fair play to the government for standing by the people.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: knighty on March 21, 2020, 10:08:09 AM
Thought i would check in, i was made redundant yesterday, i have until the end of april but i cannot work from home.

I am also diabetic, i believe my health is in good order, but i am worried a bit, both my brothers are sick with various issues and im alone most of the time as my parents and other close family are gone.

I will have to work until my contract ends, so lets hope youre all wrong and this doesnt escalate as i have enough problems now with rent / high car insurance and other bills.

Just got my feet back on the ground too  ::) :panic: :)

that's sh*t :-(

because of crono or seperate company stuff?
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: knighty on March 21, 2020, 10:12:32 AM
Big news tonight, the government is basically going to pay everyone 80% of their wage for the foreseeable if you need it.

God know how we're going to pay for this but fair play to the government for standing by the people.

from what I've read, if your company can say you would be working but can't because or crona, they can claim 80% of your pay back from government

but that's useless for all the people who have been laid off - which I've heard is happening to a lot of people

nissan factory in Sunderland has shut down, and so have most of their local suppliers - partly because of crona here, but also because they're running out of parts (whcih come from china)

staff there aren't happy... they're on full pay... but it's treat as a loan so when they go back to work they have to pay it back :-o
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Serious on March 21, 2020, 18:53:48 PM

nissan factory in Sunderland has shut down, and so have most of their local suppliers - partly because of crona here, but also because they're running out of parts (whcih come from china)

staff there aren't happy... they're on full pay... but it's treat as a loan so when they go back to work they have to pay it back :-o

That is not at all nice. Mind if Nissan virtually close it down completely forever then the employees probably won't have to pay it back.

Won't have a job either. It is bad enough for the EU countries, it could be worse for us.

I have the added problem of living with my brother, who works at the main hospital here. That could be a real issue if he catches something as I always have flu like symptoms and cannot tell if I get an infection until it is really bad.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: DEViANCE on March 21, 2020, 19:21:06 PM
Big news tonight, the government is basically going to pay everyone 80% of their wage for the foreseeable if you need it.

God know how we're going to pay for this but fair play to the government for standing by the people.

from what I've read, if your company can say you would be working but can't because or crona, they can claim 80% of your pay back from government

but that's useless for all the people who have been laid off - which I've heard is happening to a lot of people

nissan factory in Sunderland has shut down, and so have most of their local suppliers - partly because of crona here, but also because they're running out of parts (whcih come from china)

staff there aren't happy... they're on full pay... but it's treat as a loan so when they go back to work they have to pay it back :-o

No it's for laid off people aswell.

I work for a company that refurbishes pubs and understandably the pub company aren't giving us any more work for the time being.
I'll be laid off after the end of next week, but my boss as assured me that I'll be getting the govt 80% wages until we come back in.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Serious on March 23, 2020, 17:46:13 PM
Copied from BBC "Coronavirus pandemic 'accelerating': WHO chief

The head of the World Health Organization (WHO) says the coronavirus pandemic is "accelerating".

Speaking at a press briefing in Geneva, WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said: “It took 67 days from the first reported case to reach 100,000 cases, 11 days for the second 100,000 cases, and just four days for the third 100,000 cases.”

He said he would address G20 heads of state and government this week to ask them to work together to boost production of protective gear."

Seems the UK government are finally planning lockdown on people.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-emergency-laws-uk-heads-towards-lockdown-035700546.html

Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Eagle on March 24, 2020, 01:16:36 AM
...aaaaand we're in lockdown. 

Dumbasses who couldn't help themselves congregating at tourist spots over the weekend forced Gov's arm.

Stay frosty.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on March 24, 2020, 07:50:27 AM
I hate Piers Morgan, but he was right. People are c**ts.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/piers-morgan-good-morning-britain-rant-coronavirus-people-outside-a4394466.html (https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/piers-morgan-good-morning-britain-rant-coronavirus-people-outside-a4394466.html)
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: matt5cott on March 24, 2020, 13:57:53 PM
Don't rule out full on helicopter money coming here, then don't be surprised at all the talking heads balking about "how's this going to be paid for" The same talking heads who are fine with bailing out banks repeatedly, multiple rounds of QE, complete rape of savers to prop zombie business/banks with ridiculous "interest rates" Often zero percent and even negative in some jurisdictions, oh and just general "haha money printer go brrrr" Shenanigans  :roll:
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: knighty on March 25, 2020, 00:23:57 AM
I'm crazy busy at work, everyone buying dog food while they can

going to build a barricade across the gate tomorrow so customers have to wait outside to be served

I think we were safe before with customer standing in the yard in the fresh air... but apparently trading standards are going around with police backup bollocking shops etc.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Eagle on March 25, 2020, 00:52:08 AM
How come 'home / hardware shops' can stay open - yet we're not allowed to shop in them?  :dunno:
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: neXus on March 25, 2020, 04:07:21 AM
If you folks think UK was confusing (and now in your full lockdown) Australia is just a mess.


They have been running this strange staggered shut down WHICH IS NOT WORKING.


Firstly the globally adopted "Self distancing" is a complete disaster. In every country the governments have it meaning differently and it is a new term so for many people, especially less educated it just a bit stupid to introduce a new term at times like this.
So in Australia it was 1.5 mete's and now it is 2metres with some very confusing amount of people in square meter setup.


Advise up to last week was to work from home as much as possible with social distancing and not much else really. Then the first screw up where they let people off a ferry that had quite a few people infected and that caused a massive spike in cases. Then Friday when it was like 36 degrees Bondi Beach was PACKED with people. It was crazy and that sparked anger and further stages of lock down.



From Sunday cafe's, gyms and things which were still open got closed mid day Monday, but cases are still getting worse so they "Announced more measures" which are bizzare....


- First up, food courts were still operating, some loop hole so now they can only do take away too
[/size]- Funerals being limited to 10 people and weddings to five people in all states and territories.
- Businesses, including beauty, tanning and nail salons, galleries and museums, will be forced to close from midnight on Wednesday.

- BUT hairdressers can stay open as long as appointments are 30 minutes or less and social distancing measures are in place
- Advise to stay at home but if you need to go to work you can do


Food delivery services are allowed to operate


Not working through so we will be on a full lock down at some point.


New Zealand where my family is though is in a FULL Lockdown, and literally is..


- Stay at home
- No travel, roads will be closed and enforced by the police
- Can go supermarkets only
- Certain trade allowed to operate
- No delivery services for food allow to run
And a host of other restrictions - FOR 4 WEEKS!
- Roads closed
- Eveyt
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: neXus on March 25, 2020, 04:08:29 AM
In Trump world...


Seen all the money he is loosing and his figures going down so its "Just the flu" again all of a sudden and he wants people going back to work and just take a combo of drugs and you will be fine.


Not the person you want running your country in a time like now, he is a complete nutter.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on March 25, 2020, 06:40:54 AM
Trump has also tried to secure his own vaccine deals so his cronies the only ones alllowed to supply the vaccine and ignored WHO offers of aid so he can peddle his medical supplies from family run enterprises. Absolute sub-human scum. I hope he dies of pneumonia.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on March 25, 2020, 06:43:06 AM
If you folks think UK was confusing (and now in your full lockdown) Australia is just a mess.

It's the same everywhere, because in essence regardless of place of birth, race or religion, everyone are self-serving idiots.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Serious on March 25, 2020, 18:08:05 PM
How come 'home / hardware shops' can stay open - yet we're not allowed to shop in them?  :dunno:

My present understanding of the law is that people are allowed to collect at food places. Knighty's technically counts as that as they sell dog food but people collecting at the door is safer than letting them in.

People can still mail order stuff. Shops that sell clothes and other non essential items are legally closed.

The bigger issue is people gathering in crowds, There are videos of Italian mayors and police shouting at just a couple of people standing in the street. Needs to be police moving them on here too.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Serious on March 25, 2020, 18:10:15 PM
If you folks think UK was confusing (and now in your full lockdown) Australia is just a mess.

It's the same everywhere, because in essence regardless of place of birth, race or religion, everyone are self-serving idiots.

I resent that, *NEARLY EVERYONE*.

Last time I was out was Friday collecting medication from chemist.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: neXus on March 26, 2020, 00:52:42 AM
I seen:


- People posting pics on instagram in local area having breakfast from places that should only be serving take away.
- Social media influences's still trying to promote the stuff they need to promote, going to beaches and outside etc (Especially in the states) doing photo shoots when they should be staying at home.
- A gym open and also posting on instagram they had people working out yesterday morning locally.
- People using the no work/work from home to have parties and people over in the week. Someone I kind of know and follow each other on instagram posted a picture of like 30 people at someones house the other day drinking!


The reason the spread is happening despite the fact it is 2020 are:


1. The governments Just not set to handle this stuff AGAIN and not learned lessons from SARS or Swine Flu.
2. The governments of the world have been too concerned with the finances rather then lives/curbing the issue.
3. People are idiots, to many idiots out there - You can not trust people to do the right thing.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on March 26, 2020, 06:52:13 AM
Not all the world though. Asia generally has handled this the correct way, with proper policing of quarantine and isolation, surveillance, monitoring, etc. South Korea especially has handled this fantastically, even tracking and hunting down the liars that say they are clean or not going out spreading it. Nothing draconian, just keeping track from day 1 and ensuring it is not allowed to run riot.

The self-absorbed western world full of hubris could learn a lot from the humility the Asian countries show when an epidemic appears. They learned hard and fast from SARS/MERS.

The main thing is that the people themselves abide and realise they must.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Serious on March 26, 2020, 15:12:03 PM
Coughing near police officers and claiming you are infected is a crime.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-man-charged-coughing-police-095759802.html

The USA seems to be handling a lot of this by state in an ad-hoc method, so while some are being very responsible others are still doing way too little.

Then others are being idiots, tinfoil hat loons or simply giving advice that is dangerous. One advised that people use a hairdryer to heat their noses to kill the virus.

Of course, Fox news' Sean Hannity got in on the act on multiple occasions and the snake oil sellers are trying to make a few fast bucks from useless or even dangerous "cures"

And I am not kidding about the hairdryer.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/23/idiot-politician-says-pointing-hairdryer-nose-can-stop-coronavirus-12443723/
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on March 27, 2020, 13:12:23 PM
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/south-korea-coronavirus pretty much what I was talking about before.

Quote
“South Korea is one of the most wired countries in the world, where everybody uses cell phones for just about everything, and [the government] was able to use our cell phones to not only track but send warnings, like ‘watch out, there's a Covid-19 patient in your vicinity.’”
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Serious on March 27, 2020, 14:50:10 PM
US now leads world in coronavirus cases. Although it's leading something I doubt if any other country wants.

Still behind with only 1,300 fatalities but they are probably going to be catching up fast. Probably the only reason that more have not died is they tend to die several years earlier than in Italy on average.

Trump is still lying about the situation too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52056586
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Serious on March 31, 2020, 18:05:07 PM
US Death toll is 3,393. UK 1,808.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: neXus on April 01, 2020, 03:33:31 AM
A little shocking thing I have seen is friends and family on facebook.


1. Too many people are getting their information from social media and too many of them are getting all the fake stuff and taking it in. That worries me. One is the home made mask stuff that people are doing that is pointless.


2. People complaining their hands are sore or too dry now from washing their hands a lot.
Firstly - OMG, the amount of people that did not wash their hands as they should be normally is very surprising to me. I have barely changed my hand washing because I was already doing it all.


- Before dinner
- When you come home from work
- Put bins out
- Doing anything in outside or clearly could be dirty
- Toilet of course


And so on...


I commented on this on facebook and most people seem to not wash their hands before dinner or after being out of the house and a couple of family members told me I was excessive before. The whole reason Flu numbers are still quite shocking globally is because people have a very poor concept in hygiene and as soon as a new virus hits - its a mess.


France - Has been poo with their flu numbers for years, too many old people die each year over there but they worked on it recently and it improved. They still have questionable hygiene around.
Italy - Old country, old people and lots just water works, garbage, streets - all old but they clearly have a major issue with their health and hygiene over there. They have not taken part in official flu statistics for a number of years so no one really knows how bad it is each year there but clearly there was a reason for it - They knew!


New York - Anyone been there in summer? Why do most people go there when it is actually winter? Same as San Fran - A lot of streets actually just smell of piss and the garbage everywhere that seems to just been there ages, the human poo you see on the streets, all the homeless, the smog and just how crammed people are there etc - It was ALWAYS going to be a bad run there.


America with its overal population of poor health, government of idiots in power, king idiot in power and poor [/size]hygiene many states have - Their death toll is going to be crazy.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on April 01, 2020, 07:49:50 AM
I totally agree on the handwashing, there's nothing anal about it. For some reason people have this cavalier attitude to bacteria and such as though "it's good for your immune system". The only time this ever applied is with newborns with underdeveloped immune systems (breastfeed them and let them play normally in your house, don't let them swandive into your rubbish bin) or commensal bacteria like that found in your gut.

Not sure what to think on the masks tbh as there is a lot of poorly thought out logic or plain mis-information, overuse/poorly constructed ones will do nothing, but surely any barrier is better than no barrier? If nothing else it will keep the other mouth-breathers away from you! This also seems to get tied in with using surgical gloves too, which should be a no-brainer if disposed of after use correctly, but there's people saying don't bother with gloves at all.

This should be required watching:
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: zpyder on April 01, 2020, 09:50:33 AM
The "don't use gloves or masks" thing has a few different points behind it. First is that they're in short supply, so it's about saving them for those who really do need them (the medical professionals with direct contact with the infected). Second is that most people won't be using them correctly,at which point they can increase the risk of pathogenic infections rather than decrease.

IE, disposable p2 type masks will stop particulates but once they're saturated, you'll end up breathing in the stuff that's soaked through. Also, improper handling can contaminate them. They should be worn once and thrown away.

As to gloves, same thing can be said about the improper handling and storage. But also they can instil bad habits, such as a feeling of immunity so you go around touching and contaminating more than you would of you felt vulnerable and gloveless. A lot of microbiologists don't wear gloves in the lab for that reason,as well as the fact that the skin is a great barrier, you just need to wash your hands properly!


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Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on April 01, 2020, 10:04:48 AM
Well rounded points there!

On the whole, I think proper use of gloves is probably more beneficial (assuming you are continuing to wash your hands) especially if you have cuts/cracks on your hands, which could be caused by dry skin from washing so much. Most people don't clean their hands properly, but it takes a special kind of cretin to not be able to use and dispose of gloves correctly.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: zpyder on April 01, 2020, 10:07:47 AM
You'd be surprised what people do.

Seen people walking around holding their phones with gloves on. Touching their face with gloves on. Pulling gloves off by the fingertips...

I wear gloves at work/the lab (senior lab technician) and am pretty anal when it comes to what I handle and how and even I catch myself cutting corners occasionally!

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Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on April 01, 2020, 10:10:15 AM
Its a shame they don't make gloves that react/discolour when certain microbes come into contact with them. A bit like the glitter analogy in the above instructional video; if you could see what you were spreading you would be shocked.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: zpyder on April 01, 2020, 10:34:38 AM
The blue nitrile gloves do tend to go yellow when they're exposed to a number of chemicals (usually corrosive things).

Recently did a guest talk about pathogens (in the context of health and safety at the waste water treatment plant).

The below photo is of bacterial cultures grown from finger prints of a variety of staff. This was done in the current pandemic climate, so they'd all been washing their hands...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200401/f59ea1b297b0d56d94183e0ee4a7d6ec.jpg)

Will admit though that the act of cleaning your hands will never get rid of all bacteria, good chance that most of those colonies grew from bacterial species that live in your skin (feeding on dead skin  etc) so washing hands kills off the stuff on the surface that you picked up by touching things, but also removes the upper layer of skin exposing the stuff on the under layers, so it's not a case of my colleagues having filthy fingers...

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Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Serious on April 05, 2020, 07:34:33 AM
Will admit though that the act of cleaning your hands will never get rid of all bacteria, good chance that most of those colonies grew from bacterial species that live in your skin (feeding on dead skin  etc) so washing hands kills off the stuff on the surface that you picked up by touching things, but also removes the upper layer of skin exposing the stuff on the under layers, so it's not a case of my colleagues having filthy fingers...

Stripping all the bacteria from your skin could actually be dangerous, they live mostly in a symbiotic relationship with you, and tend to protect you from potentially worse infections.

That might not stop one of them getting out of control but it applies nearly all of the time. Add in all the research they are doing about intestinal bacteria and how it prevents many diseases and disorders. Many now get fecal transplants to stop health issues.

USA 311,000 known infections, 8,454 dead.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on April 06, 2020, 08:51:01 AM
Many now get fecal transplants to stop health issues.

Okay, I'm done for the day
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Eagle on April 06, 2020, 20:03:36 PM
USA 311,000 known infections, 8,454 dead.
8,454 deaths.  Assumed Covid related.  There's a lot of trickery going on.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Serious on April 06, 2020, 23:03:04 PM
USA 311,000 known infections, 8,454 dead.
8,454 deaths.  Assumed Covid related.  There's a lot of trickery going on.

There have probably been deaths that were not recorded as covid-19 related. Trump would like to keep the number as low as possible. The number now is well over 10,000 including BBC reporting.

In the UK Boris Johnson has been taken into intensive care.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52192604
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on April 07, 2020, 08:18:32 AM
Apparently if you didn't die in hospital/hadn't been tested or it wasn't categorically known at the time, it won't have been marked as COVID-19 related death. So the numbers are a lot lower than they should be, everywhere.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Serious on April 07, 2020, 16:19:20 PM
Exactly but there is also the issue of delayed reporting, so there are deaths that have been confirmed to be covid-19 related but still have not managed to get on the statistics.

Then other countries may be far worse than the UK, and some may intentionally forge the figures.

Seems UK_gov are now accepting EU aid in getting our nationals back home and a financial package to help businesses.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: neXus on April 09, 2020, 03:15:58 AM
Here in Australia the partial lockdown has seen a massive drop in cases each day, New Zealand who did not have that many anyway went into full lockdown and also seen a massive drop.
Both are talking about going down in levels of lockdown.


The crazy people are getting more crazy though. Watching a channel I follow on Youtube (Scimandan)he debunks idiots and mainly flat earth idiots but he was covering one guy that said WHO said that you basically shove a hair dryer max power in your mouth and it kills Corona Virus... I mean OMG


You got the people burning down 5G towers and the new one going around that Bill Gates created this virus to prove his point and his cure will be the one everyone gets as that was the plan all along to inject you with nano bots so they can track and control you.


Everyone who is not into say video games or other activities they can do (personal coding projects here for example as well as Division 2) seem to be just going stir crazy and the idiots are just going more nuts.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on April 09, 2020, 08:12:02 AM
I miss the days when the internet wasn't the mass platform for stupidity it is now. At least before the :tinhat: brigade were a minority and kept their BS views to themselves and the internet was a relatively safe haven for geeks. Now, social media is a giant megaphone for the masses to spread this mis-information and BS.

Forums FTW.

People have no idea what stir crazy is, throwing their toys out the pram because they've had to sit in and watch TV, play games or spend time with their families for a couple of weeks. It's utterly pathetic.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Serious on April 09, 2020, 08:37:21 AM
I am fairly sure the stupidity and craziness was there all along and the internet just made it more visible and spread wider.

Couple of days ago one of the American news channels had a video on of a woman leaving a church claiming she was "protected by the blood of Christ." Never protected Christians before her from infections.

Official American figures 14,797 covid-19 deaths so far, now higher than Spain and just 3,000 below Italy. Not surprising with that mentality.

Admittedly the Americans have a much larger population than Italy, but the average American is quite a bit younger too.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on April 09, 2020, 08:44:19 AM
I am fairly sure the stupidity and craziness was there all along and the internet just made it more visible and spread wider.
Yes, but it was never so widely accessible. Every cretin and their grandma can now get on 'that book of faces' and like and share utter horsesh*t that fits in their little echo chamber. Social media positively reinforces these echo chambers too.

Couple of days ago one of the American news channels had a video on of a woman leaving a church claiming she was "protected by the blood of Christ." Never protected Christians before her from infections.
She died  :thumbup:

Official American figures 14,797 covid-19 deaths so far, now higher than Spain and just 3,000 below Italy. Not surprising with that mentality.

Admittedly the Americans have a much larger population than Italy, but the average American is quite a bit younger too.

I don't think its all down to individual mentality. Admittedly there have been some cavalier attitudes, but when the POTUS and heads of state are telling you its a hoax, relax, go about yo' bidness what do you expect? Its been the same in every country that hasn't taken it seriously, including our own.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Serious on April 09, 2020, 09:46:47 AM
Now would POTUS Trumpus try to push unproven drugs like Hydroxychloroquine just because he and his friends have investments in the company that produces the brand version of the drug?

I mean he and others linked to him seem to have been very vocal in their support when medical professionals are saying that they expect relatively little efficacy and that side effects are possible.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: neXus on April 14, 2020, 03:53:21 AM
POTUS has shown their "Task force" for getting things back to normal - None of them qualified to do so and so causing a stir of course.


In terms of the idiots and the net:
It is just so easy to stream from your phone even and with good cameras make half decent things from them. A lot of free video editing software now are actually very good and ever easier to use now. Just easy for dumb idiots to get out there and other idiots to listen and watch them :(


In terms of that crazy..


The Priest who defied all the stay at home stuff in America has not only contracted COVID-19 but has passed away with his wife sick with it as well. He said he was protected by god and would not get it and to quote him on it. When he was sick he said God would heal him.


A number of other hard core Christian Americans are contracting and dying from it because they are still grouping and preaching thinking god is the solution. I will be fascinated to see at the tail end of this with all the fanatical christians, especially in America... What their views are at the end of it all when their Priests and healers failed to do anything.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on April 14, 2020, 07:09:58 AM
The anti-vaxxers/conspiracy nutjobs are coming out in force again though, "just get some vitamin C & D you'll be fine, you're dying because of inflammation!"
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: knighty on April 14, 2020, 11:40:40 AM
latest national ITU statistic

3800 patients in ITU
51% mortality rate

of the 51%....
70% are male
25% of them were 16-39yrs old

(from my sister, who got them from the hospital she works at)


I think ITU = ICU for us normal folk
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on April 14, 2020, 11:47:34 AM
To think some people are under the impression lockdown is going to end soon... :-X
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Serious on April 14, 2020, 12:55:11 PM
Seems a lot of American churches were packed again last Sunday. Over 530,000 active American infections with at least 23,644 deaths. One family in a church could potentially infect everyone there.

There are also known instances of people in South Korea regarded as cured being found in testing to be infected again. It is unknown at this point if the virus was simply dormant or if they were reinfected.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: knighty on April 14, 2020, 19:07:36 PM
or the tests were wrong the first time?

my sister is a nurse, was told she had it, tested and sent home, result came back negative so went back in to see head doctor guy... who said she definitely had it and sent her home again :-o
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Serious on April 15, 2020, 11:59:24 AM
Tests are never guaranteed to detect an infection, there are always going to be false positives and false negatives. The covid-19 tests are new and as yet unproven.

There is also the potential problem that the virus might go dormant and resume activity later, or we might not be as resistant after being infected and recovering.

Don't assume that this is going to vanish during the summer either.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: neXus on April 27, 2020, 02:28:16 AM
I just can not figure out why the people around Trump have not moved against him. He can not be that powerful, he is an idiot.
Republicans must not feel they have anyone that can possibly stay an election outside of Trump. Once he goes they must be on the verge of a total mess?


Light inside the body, disinfectant inside the body (claims now it was a joke or something)... And all the other presentations which he just tried to use as campaign propaganda affair.. Now claiming he has not left the white house for months...


I just can not figure out with everything that has happened in the last 4 years with this guy.... It just shows how moving your people into key positions and making certain laws basically shields you and keeps you protected.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on April 27, 2020, 07:31:11 AM
Republicans have been slowly moving the goal posts and removing democratic protections, voter rights, using gerrymandering and other tactics to make a Republican office/senate so powerful it can't be stopped. The end game is fascism.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Serious on April 27, 2020, 22:27:45 PM
Until the start of February the Republicans and their rich backers were making a lot of money from Trump's tax cuts and the rich were generally benefiting.

Trump was also fairly popular amongst the evangelical Christians, who's leaders also benefited greatly from Trump, that means voters for the Republicans. The issue has only really came out recently that Trump has no idea what he's talking about and is a liability.

Unfortunately as the Republicans backed him during the impeachment fraud there is little they can do at the moment. With the death toll heading towards 60,000 very fast and the Republican voters ignoring any suggestion of lockdown it is going to be some time before those numbers head down.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on April 28, 2020, 08:35:19 AM
The issue has only really came out recently that Trump has no idea what he's talking about and is a liability.

No, I think everyone knew; we all did. But thought they could puppet him like Putin has.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: neXus on April 30, 2020, 06:39:46 AM
The issue has only really came out recently that Trump has no idea what he's talking about and is a liability.

No, I think everyone knew; we all did. But thought they could puppet him like Putin has.


I think how it came about was that their candidates were not strong. They wanted back into the white house and Trump seemed to offer a lot of the old school business/cult votes and had a plan to get the votes of all the hicks and idiots and also have some "Help" from "Friends" Abroad.


With that he both fooled, cheated and bought his way into the white house.


Note: For years now, every time Republicans have got power they have continued to put laws in place to protect themselves and the president despite how corrupt they are. They are also always running their process to make themselves and their rich friends richer. Always undoing laws regardless of their good, putting new ones in place etc.


They got Trump his seat and hoped they could control him and I think they knew he was an idiot and crazy but hoped that they could still control him. Over time though it became clear that he liked the power and that he was more of an idiot and loon than they realised.

He has done all he has done and they have desperately tried to fan the flames he has created while anyone that went "Oh crap we made a mistake" has been quickly and brutally dumped, shuttered etc.


It has got to the point that they have spent so much time lining their pockets and fixing/covering up/ managing Trump that they have no one in their party that could have the public viewing to replace him. It is all they have got at this point and they got to run with it.

Right now they are loosing all their seats left right and centre as a result, they are in a real mess and I think they have little or no ability to really fix it but to ride the Trump bull crap train to try and get it to work again for the next election.


I think when the next election comes, unless there is really dodgy stuff going on and America is not a total lost cause - they should loose. I do not think the republicans will be in a good state after this and it will take them some time to recover. I think it will be 8 years before they get their next shot.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on April 30, 2020, 08:33:08 AM
Republicans, most specifically Trump cultists, have doubled-down now - even when it is blindingly obvious that he is materially making their lives worse - so unless the democrats do well magically with Biden, who isn't a particularly strong candidate, I think they are doomed for more Trump as the odds are firmly stacked against them. The game is rigged.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Serious on April 30, 2020, 12:14:55 PM
Considering the opinions of the top Republicans they didn't want Trump at all, he isn't one of them. He was just as much a Democrat when it suited him during the Clinton years.

The ones who voted Republican were hoping for something different to break the mold, Trump isn't that. What he is could best be described as a selfish ignorant but with some charisma. He was not the first with similar properties, unfortunately they make the worst Presidents. Even worse for America he seems to be suffering some of the signs of dementia and possibly mild Parkinson's disease.

Biden is a gamble for the Democrats, he's another Clinton which the USA rejected last time. The difference will not be made by the Democrat supporters or the Trumpists/Republican loons but the swing voters. Democrats do not need a very large swing, just enough in a few states will turn the balance to them. Have they had enough of Trump? Had the USA a simple OMOV vote then Trump would have lost the last election, the voting has been rigged for a very long time, as has US law, they don't need to do more. Which is why the Republicans in the Senate have been doing very little legally and Mitch McConnell has been blocking legislation at all costs. What they have done is stacked the lower courts, installed as many Republican leaning judges as they can.
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Clock'd 0Ne on April 30, 2020, 14:08:50 PM
Depending on who you ask, the swing voter doesn't exist, it's just about voter turnout. People are pretty much always going to be on one fence or the other, with exceptions of course; the problem is putting candidates in for running with no strong opinions. You're either for leapards eating faces or against, you can't be "well, just let them have a nibble".
Title: Re: The world has gone mad
Post by: Serious on April 30, 2020, 18:48:12 PM
Swing voters are those who say they are undecided and may vote either way, it's that simple.

The new theory isn't that they don't exist but there just aren't enough of them to make a difference. That would be about 7% rather than 15%.

That 7% is still more than enough to turn the Trump win seats into losses, in which case he would be put out of office.