it probably would be if everyone got it... herd immunity and all that
I'd say the vaccines are reducing, not preventing, transmission.
This is what I disagree on, as there are a number of examples such as places like Gibraltar where literally everyone is vaccinated and yet they are talking about cancelling Christmas events because of huge spikes in covid cases. Across Europe similarly they are heading for massive lockdowns. It's pretty clear now that the vaccines do nothing to curtail the spread, probably because they don't give you full immunity at all. You could even argue it shouldn't be called a vaccine and is simply an innoculation as you will never be immmune and need constant boosters.
If anything I'd argue people are spreading it more now on the basis that everyone thinks herd immunity is still possible in this case - which it isn't going to be - so they are taking no precautions, no mask wearing, no distancing, etc.
#NotAntiVaxJustUsingCriticalThinking
Well, critically thinking, places with high vaccination rates and high cases, it's just as likely that with low vaccination rates it would have spread even faster. This is a highly infectious virus after all.
As I said, here in NZ we're at the start of the naturalisation of covid in the country. The population is such, and the vaccinations and tracking, that its a lot easier to get stats on all the demographics.
We're almost at 90% fully vaxxed. Yet less than 20% of cases of are fully vaxxed. If the vaccines did nothing we should be seeing 90% of cases being vaccinated.
The message here has always been its about reducing load on the health system, not stamping out the virus.
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