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Chat => General Discussion => Topic started by: Beanissocoollike on October 05, 2009, 10:47:11 AM
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apple macs so hard to use?!
I hate college ):
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What is hard about them? Macs are bloody easy to use.
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Tbh enjoy college whilst it lasts!
At uni I volunteered for random pyschological/computing tests, some of them were tests on computer/human interface type affairs. Most of the dissertation students chose the unoriginal topic of the differences between macs and pcs.
Basically had to do the same task in on bost machines and then answer a few questions etc.
Ive always not really liked macs (understatement) but after having the opportunity to basically do the same thing on both, the lines were blurred. I wouldnt say macs are any more difficult to use than a PC, theyre just different, and sometimes the problem seems that they try to be so different it becomes a bit confusing as to why you have to do something one way when youd find it quicker to do it the way youre used to etc.
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Apple Macs are wank tbh.
No space for them in the market.
Just over priced PCs with a Fisher Price OS.
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I agree with Nathan. Pointless. Just being different for different sakes.
Plus their development tools are horrible. Xcode and Objective C is 50 years behind everything else.
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Because all the computers in my college are macs, and I have to do editing for media and photography on them, its just really confusing. It doesnt help that I dont use photoshop much, but I know the key shortcut things, but its trying to remember to press the wierd key thing instead of ctrl when I wand to copy/cut/paste stuff.
And it took me 10 minutes to work out how to tab things in safari. I was flicking between pages for about an hour before that.
But even if facebook is banned from the computers for all times except lunch, I can still get on here and bitch about the idiocy of apple computers! :D
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I was talking to a visual special effects artist who had worked on some big titles (Guitar Hero 5, Pirates of the Caribbean, etc) on the train into London at the weekend - hes a big Mac user naturally - but even he agreed Macs no longer have the edge within any of the creative outlets theyve traditionally had. All the things that used to be best on a Mac you can do with the same software on a Windows PC costing half as much.
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Youre going to tell everyone the story of the man on the train arent you? (:
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Apple Macs are wank tbh.
No space for them in the market.
Just over priced PCs with a Fisher Price OS.
Yeah, I hate having a BSD core.
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And you paid more for that than a regular PC why?
Its not like you cant get FreeBSD etc for sensibly priced hardware?
Edit.
And despite having a BSD core, Leopard/Snow Leopard are the most insecure OSs on the market today.
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I agree with Nathan. Pointless. Just being different for different sakes.
Plus their development tools are horrible. Xcode and Objective C is 50 years behind everything else.
Sorry Sam but please. If your going to go into the web world. LEARN about the web.
If you think that is what is out there for mac your daft!
Some of the stuff out there now is so much nicer to work on then PC. When something works really well but also looks great with a good interface it is so much more enjoyable to work on.
Hate the system is fine, Price is way over the top I can not agree more...
The only gripes I have are mouse, games, price. In terms of the interface and software there are brilliant stuff out there. The coding software is much nicer then that of the PC and any PC ports just end up with better interfaces when on the mac.
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Just to say that I am not JUST having a dig at Sam (I am because he should start learning modern web in my opinion, it will do him good. He will do well if he gets up to speed because he is a great SS Coder). ....
http://sixrevisions.com/design-showcase-inspiration/25-elegant-workstations-for-your-inspiration/
Not just graphic designers there -Most of that all macs..
Some cool office set ups there though.
These guys not only built Ruby on Rails they build all sorts of web apps and software...
http://37signals.com/svn/posts/313-photos-of-37signals-hq
All Macs
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Nexus, a bit of friendly advice, and I do genuinely intend it as that, please dont get upset or offended.
You often seem to be rather confused regarding precisely why some people are so acerbic when talking to you on the forums.
Take ten minutes and read over what youve just posted, think about it carefully. I believe illumination will soon be forthcoming.
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And you paid more for that than a regular PC why?
Its not like you cant get FreeBSD etc for sensibly priced hardware?
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And despite having a BSD core, Leopard/Snow Leopard are the most insecure OSs on the market today.
It was more in response to the "Fisher Price OS" thing, an OS is only as secure as the user lets it be and, in the real world, OSX vulnerabilities are far fewer and less severe than those in Windows.
I paid more because the hardware is better (Im not just talking about the processor & RAM here, my MBP is, literally, hewn from a solid hunk of aluminium), the OS gets out of your way and lets you do more work, the available apps are far superior in the vast majority of cases, the buying experience is better and, frankly, because I can afford it and a couple of hundred quid is an inconsequential amount over the life of a system to have what is, in my experience, a much better workflow.
Also, prior to buying my MBP, I had one of the polycarbonate MacBooks. I bought it for £820 and sold it over a year later for £700. A lot of the price difference is made up in resale value.
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I still dont see where the price difference is justified though. The motherboard is Foxconn/Asus, Processors are Intel, and graphics are Nvidia. I wouldnt pay the difference for a pretty case.
The latest OSs dont randomise the system addresses like Windows/Linux/Unix meaning that if a hacker wanted to gain access, he knows exactly where to hit the system.
I think they still rely on security through obscurity, as not many viruses will be written for such a small user base. If they get a larger userbase, I think they will get a shock.
Apple have overtaken Microsoft as the industry bully.
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Mac really is just as insecure as the latest windows in similar areas as well. People just do not tend to be bothered to target Mac when they create their Trojans etc.
Mac OSX Snow Leopard Is as stable/unstable as Windows 7. So these days there is no real difference there. I love windows 7 for a number of reasons but I love the user experience on my macbook pro. In terms of applications though the mac is second to none.
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I still dont see where the price difference is justified though. The motherboard is Foxconn/Asus, Processors are Intel, and graphics are Nvidia. I wouldnt pay the difference for a pretty case.
Its not that its pretty, its quality. There is zero flex in the body, no joins except for the bottom panel, the screen is glass, which is strong and easy to clean, the trackpads are beyond compare, the keyboard is a joy to type on. To quote Steve Jobs (who else?) "Most people make the mistake of thinking design is what it looks like… People think its this veneer -- that the designers are handed this box and told, Make it look good! Thats not what we think design is. Its not just what it looks like and feels like. Design is how it works."
The latest OSs dont randomise the system addresses like Windows/Linux/Unix meaning that if a hacker wanted to gain access, he knows exactly where to hit the system.
That attack vector requires local access to the machine, which means either via another vulnerability or getting the user to run it. Its something that should be changed, but is an extremely minor threat (doesnt mean non-existent)
I think they still rely on security through obscurity, as not many viruses will be written for such a small user base. If they get a larger userbase, I think they will get a shock.
Im calling bullsh*t on this (as I do every other time its rolled out). It works on the assumption that hackers these days are only in it for further gain and that none of them are in it for the "lulz". I dont believe for a second that if there was a genuinely widespread exploitable hole discovered that someone wouldnt attack it just because they could, to stick it to Mac users and to make a name for themselves in the black hat community.
Apple have overtaken Microsoft as the industry bully.
No arguments here, but since developing Stockholm Syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome) Ive been fine with it ;)
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Some articles Ive been reading over the last few weeks
"Snow Leopard fails to convince CIOs to adopt more Macs"
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/hiner/?p=2803&tag=nl.e101
Security Concerns.....
http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10318943-245.html
http://www.pcworld.com/article/172197/vista_windows_7_are_more_secure_than_snow_leopard.html
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Apple have overtaken Microsoft as the industry bully.
explain pls, not sure what you mean.
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If I wanted to spend more for my hardware than normal, Id be getting one of these:
http://www.very-pc.co.uk/broadleaf
The new Broadleaf ones are carbon neutral + 20% after the 5 year warranty has expired and almost 100% recyclable.
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Apple have overtaken Microsoft as the industry bully.
explain pls, not sure what you mean.
http://www.macworld.com/article/59914/2007/09/newms.html
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I dont have a specific problem with macs, i just will simply never use one because i dont need to, windows works fine for me
what really really annoys me is mac users constantly droning on about how good macs are and that you shouldnt be using a PC and windows is evil. its like theyre trying to convert more people to the steve jobs religion, maybe macs send out a mind control wave forcing every user to try and convert non users so that steve jobs can buy another liver when his new one fails
Bottom line. If id have wanted a mac, i would of bought one. I dont tell mac users to buy a PC so if they tell me to get a mac i will tell them to f**k right off
ditto with linux
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Think of it like a BMW driver telling you you should get a BMW instead of a Ford, they both do basically the same job, but the BMW driver used to drive a Ford and knows how much nicer it is in BMWland :)
(please dont start any "Id rather have a Ford than a Beemer" arguments, you know full well the point Im making)
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Surely the better comparison would be VW and Audi?
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The comparison doesnt work, BMWs are expensive to service, maintain and parts are very pricey. Theyre driven by pretentious pricks who think that theyre better than anyone cause they have a BMW. plus the staff at BMW dealers are twats
Fords are cheap, the parts are cheap, servicings cheap and car reviewers usually give them top marks for reliability, practicality and some of them look nice. They do exactly the same as a BMW and more. but ford dealerships arent that great either
Looking at that though............maybe it is a good comparison
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A good point actually.
When we went to buy our accord, we had a budget of £10k. We were interested in seeing a 320D estate.
I was just asked to leave when I entered the BMW dealership (non mini dealership).
Their loss.
My mates dad went to Volvo in his scruffy scrapyard clothes and asked to test drive an 850 T5R. They reluctantly said yes.
The next day he turned up in his Vx GSI3000 and paid cash.
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You were actually asked to leave the dealership? On what grounds?
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Dunno, must have not liked the cut of my jibb.
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I only asked why they were so difficult to use...
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Tbh you should have known better, there are certain questions for different places which always kick up a can of worms. Techy places its macs vs pcs. Carnivorous plants its religion it seems. (dont ask).
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I agree with Nathan. Pointless. Just being different for different sakes.
Plus their development tools are horrible. Xcode and Objective C is 50 years behind everything else.
Sorry Sam but please. If your going to go into the web world. LEARN about the web.
If you think that is what is out there for mac your daft!
Some of the stuff out there now is so much nicer to work on then PC. When something works really well but also looks great with a good interface it is so much more enjoyable to work on.
Hate the system is fine, Price is way over the top I can not agree more...
The only gripes I have are mouse, games, price. In terms of the interface and software there are brilliant stuff out there. The coding software is much nicer then that of the PC and any PC ports just end up with better interfaces when on the mac.
"If your going to go into the web world".
IF? I was developing software when you were complaining about your thumb.
"LEARN about the web."
Did I mention the web? I know my eyesight isnt particularly good but I re-read my post a few times and dont see where the web comes into this. Theres far more to computers than the web.
The trouble is you started cutting and pasting HTML and you think you became a computer programmer. For the nth time, graphics is not development. You might want to pretend youre a computer programmer but youre not, youre a graphics designer (which is still a laudable profession but I dont know why you have convinced yourself youre a software developer). Anyone can knock together a HTML page (albeit of course those who do it full time are undoubtedly faster).
XCode and ObjectiveC are the main mac development tools. For a start, thats what the iPhone is built on (hey theres one of those non web things we talked about). Some of the problems with it include obtuse non c syntax (google it) based on a language called smalltalk (google it). Objective C on the iphone uses reference counting (google it) for crying out loud which is fundamentally flawed.
"The coding software is much nicer then that of the PC".
Well I take it youve never used Eclipse (google it). Even Vis Studio (which isnt a patch on Eclipse) trumps Xcode hands down. Although I suspect the real meaning behind your claim goes back to my earlier comment that you think CSS is coding and that Dreamweaver is a development platform.
Go into a software development house and ask them if they think Dreamweaver is used for coding and theyll laugh at you.
I dont know why I continue to politely converse with you, showing you where are you going wrong, and trying to educate you on the areas you misunderstand when your posts are continually of an (unwarranted) smug nature.
* The google it are the parts where Im going over your head - you can google to learn about it.
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Think of it like a BMW driver telling you you should get a BMW instead of a Ford, they both do basically the same job, but the BMW driver used to drive a Ford and knows how much nicer it is in BMWland :)
(please dont start any "Id rather have a Ford than a Beemer" arguments, you know full well the point Im making)
Thats not quite an accurate anaology.
You make it under the assumption BMWs are better (Apples) and that people who buy Fords (PCs) do so because they dont want to pay extra for luxury.
What luxury is there in an apple? Putting personal preferences aside, how exactly is an apple worth the 2x outlay over a PC? Now re-read what Ive just written before you reply so you know exactly the point I am making: That is if you want to spend more because you prefer apple - great. I spend more on Sam Adams Boston Lager because I prefer it over Coors Lite. But if you spend more because you claim the apple is a better platform - justify it to us.
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Awesome, gonna let this one play out
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Think of it like a BMW driver telling you you should get a BMW instead of a Ford, they both do basically the same job, but the BMW driver used to drive a Ford and knows how much nicer it is in BMWland :)
(please dont start any "Id rather have a Ford than a Beemer" arguments, you know full well the point Im making)
Thats not quite an accurate anaology.
You make it under the assumption BMWs are better (Apples) and that people who buy Fords (PCs) do so because they dont want to pay extra for luxury.
What luxury is there in an apple? Putting personal preferences aside, how exactly is an apple worth the 2x outlay over a PC? Now re-read what Ive just written before you reply so you know exactly the point I am making: That is if you want to spend more because you prefer apple - great. I spend more on Sam Adams Boston Lager because I prefer it over Coors Lite. But if you spend more because you claim the apple is a better platform - justify it to us.
I thought it was the basis of people spend more on the BMWs and Audis not necessarily because they are indeed "better" but because the general perception is that they are better. I am of the mind that they may have bigger engines, may have more gizmos and gimmicks, but also that they are more expensive and those gizmos and gadgets tend to break. I am also of the mind that generally the owners are indeed annoying gimps with more money than sense. I would like to say the same about iPhones, but as I am considering getting one next year, I would also have to say there are exceptions to the rule :D
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Dunno, must have not liked the cut of my jibb.
Car dealerships are incredibly look conscious, basically they want to give over the impression of a classy joint to anyone who looks into the place. You turn up looking scruffy and walking around the place then it looks like the place sells cars for scruffs.
It is a terrible system but I can understand it.
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Think of it like a BMW driver telling you you should get a BMW instead of a Ford, they both do basically the same job, but the BMW driver used to drive a Ford and knows how much nicer it is in BMWland :)
(please dont start any "Id rather have a Ford than a Beemer" arguments, you know full well the point Im making)
Thats not quite an accurate anaology.
You make it under the assumption BMWs are better (Apples) and that people who buy Fords (PCs) do so because they dont want to pay extra for luxury.
What luxury is there in an apple? Putting personal preferences aside, how exactly is an apple worth the 2x outlay over a PC? Now re-read what Ive just written before you reply so you know exactly the point I am making: That is if you want to spend more because you prefer apple - great. I spend more on Sam Adams Boston Lager because I prefer it over Coors Lite. But if you spend more because you claim the apple is a better platform - justify it to us.
Well, a BMW is a better driving experience than a Ford. I find using OSX makes me more productive than using Windows, Im happy to pay a little extra for that better experience. Some people find that they are perfectly able to do what they do on Windows (hell, I did for 13 years) but, for me, OSX makes my job easier and my life less stressful. It is a personal opinion but it gets grating when Windows fanboys constantly harp on "huh huh, youre dumb when you could have got a Dell for £300" as if processor and RAM was the only defining point of a computer.
And my MBP was not double the price of a comparable Windows PC.
Also, I like Objective C. Once you get used to the syntax it makes sense, though I dont do enough proper application programming to be able to speak convincingly of technical merits such as reference counting. Its a hell of a lot nicer environment than Visual Studio though and interface builder is a thing of joy.
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I only asked why they were so difficult to use...
Please ask more questions like this. :cheers:
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IF? I was developing software when you were complaining about your thumb.
Yeah you were, Does not mean you know a lot of the modern coming and goings about the web now. Your a good Java coder, I always and continue to say that. In terms of the Web Sam you out the loop and seem to not care to learn about it and anything new or things that are done by everyone else are around because either you do not understand them or want to look at it you dismiss it out right.
We can all see that every time you try post a smarmy comment on the forums in threads.
Did I mention the web? I know my eyesight isnt particularly good but I re-read my post a few times and dont see where the web comes into this. Theres far more to computers than the web.
Again, casing point.
The trouble is you started cutting and pasting HTML and you think you became a computer programmer.
Again, prime example of you having no clue about what is going on.
From A-level computing to Uni. What did I do at Uni?
Java Followed by xhtml etc but then also Java for the web - beans, jsp, MVC etc. Then I also Did XML, XSLT etc. I then learnt design and CSS, XHTML and Javascript off my own back,
For the nth time, graphics is not development.
Sorry but Sam, again you read what you want and ignore everything else and as I said before you like my dad, you make your own conclusions based on your opinion, not what is going on.
You might want to pretend youre a computer programmer but youre not, youre a graphics designer (which is still a laudable profession but I dont know why you have convinced yourself youre a software developer). Anyone can knock together a HTML page (albeit of course those who do it full time are undoubtedly faster).
You say that but the way you have struggled through in this area has been quite funny.
XCode and ObjectiveC are the main mac development tools. For a start, thats what the iPhone is built on (hey theres one of those non web things we talked about). Some of the problems with it include obtuse non c syntax (google it) based on a language called smalltalk (google it). Objective C on the iphone uses reference counting (google it) for crying out loud which is fundamentally flawed.
"The coding software is much nicer then that of the PC".
Well I take it youve never used Eclipse (google it). Even Vis Studio (which isnt a patch on Eclipse) trumps Xcode hands down. Although I suspect the real meaning behind your claim goes back to my earlier comment that you think CSS is coding and that Dreamweaver is a development platform. And Again, not the case.
Today I am sitting here coding in .NET right now making up a comments system with campaign support.
Go into a software development house and ask them if they think Dreamweaver is used for coding and theyll laugh at you.
I did, and no they did not. Not the only thing people use, Coda Etc And I have shown that before, Not the only thing I use either. i got Aptana open right now.
I dont know why I continue to politely converse with you, showing you where are you going wrong, and trying to educate you on the areas you misunderstand when your posts are continually of an (unwarranted) smug nature.
You never do though, In all the other threads I see you spounting things and me producing links etc to back up what I say and then you ignoring the thread there after.
Again Sam, Your a great coder but in terms of web applicaiton, modern thinking about the web, what else is out there bar what you do and know and everything else covered before your out of the loop. Sixrevisions - I know the guy. I showed him this thread. The email back he basically thinks your a total idiot Sam (his words not mine)
Not Only are you 10 years behind in a lot of cases and ignoring the fact you do not seem to want to learn new stuff You dismiss it all, When you talk about symatics, standards, frameworks and everything else you have dismissed as rubbish (despite them being used by everyone else or liked etc) it is Your constant Disrespect for me and everyone else that seems to be up with the modern ways of thinking etc.
I think your an old fashioned guy, but your not a total idiot or total git but for this industry your a total moron tbh with no real clue about what is going on. Great Java coder as I have always said and I have great respect for what you have produced in that. But even if I went into Java and talked about the best modern Practises about the Architecture for an a Web application built in Java in terms of the OO etc you would not have a clue what I was on about. Your better then me at Java I know that but because I have not done it much since Uni. if I got up to speed again (Like I am currently with .NET and Ruby) with everything else I know and how I keep on top of things I would be 10 times better then you Sam. Not because I would be being arrogant prick but it just boils down to keeping on top of what goes on, respect what is going on, take an interest in what is going on, learning more then one thing and just generally not being a miserable old bastard.
f**k, the best developers in the world argue and disagree about things and how something should be done, but the biggest thing is they respect the other guys and what they do. You DO NOT and that is just... well.... It is Not on Sam.
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apple macs so hard to use?!
I hate college ):
Omg see what you have started now!
Sometimes we should keep some things we are thinking to ourselves to save hassle!
I know your pain, i use a Mac everyday at work, and i quietly think to myself how much more productive i would be with a Windows based machine :P
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apple macs so hard to use?!
I hate college ):
Omg see what you have started now!
Sometimes we should keep some things we are thinking to ourselves to save hassle!
I know your pain, i use a Mac everyday at work, and i quietly think to myself how much more productive i would be with a Windows based machine :P
That is all down to your experience and what you use and what you want from it. Your used to PC. So am I my home machine is windows 7 and will stay like that. But in terms of work and programming and graphics as well I wish I had a mac to do that other then my macbook pro. (or sort it to connect up to my screen etc) Does a better job.
But then you need to get used to it. I have always been good at adapting so Why I use bother OSs every day, but you use what you feel comfortable using, hey.
If Windows 7 allowed you to drag a file and open a pinned app to run that file - Perfect, best Doc out there in my opinion.
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I agree with Nathan. Pointless. Just being different for different sakes.
Plus their development tools are horrible. Xcode and Objective C is 50 years behind everything else.
OpenCL isnt though.....
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I agree with Nathan. Pointless. Just being different for different sakes.
Plus their development tools are horrible. Xcode and Objective C is 50 years behind everything else.
OpenCL isnt though.....
Coda another. Can name a few. Transmission in terms of FTP and file handling etc is rather good.
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Well, a BMW is a better driving experience than a Ford. I find using OSX makes me more productive than using Windows, Im happy to pay a little extra for that better experience. Some people find that they are perfectly able to do what they do on Windows (hell, I did for 13 years) but, for me, OSX makes my job easier and my life less stressful. It is a personal opinion but it gets grating when Windows fanboys constantly harp on "huh huh, youre dumb when you could have got a Dell for £300" as if processor and RAM was the only defining point of a computer.
And my MBP was not double the price of a comparable Windows PC.
Also, I like Objective C. Once you get used to the syntax it makes sense, though I dont do enough proper application programming to be able to speak convincingly of technical merits such as reference counting. Its a hell of a lot nicer environment than Visual Studio though and interface builder is a thing of joy.
So what youre saying is purely personal preference. I prefer Windows over Linux, OSX.
But yes windows fanboys might say, " dell cheaper " but just as many apple fan boys harp about on the fancy power cable.
So your original comment that you were buying better hardware you have not justified.
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But even if I went into Java and talked about the best modern Practises about the Architecture for an a Web application built in Java in terms of the OO etc you would not have a clue what I was on about.... if I got up to speed again (Like I am currently with .NET and Ruby) with everything else I know and how I keep on top of things I would be 10 times better then you Sam. Not because I would be being arrogant prick but it just boils down to keeping on top of what goes on, respect what is going on, take an interest in what is going on, learning more then one thing and just generally not being a miserable old bastard.
In your own way, youre one of the most arrogant and misguided people Ive ever met (or read). That I can handle, and I am more than willing to teach you to help youimprove. Unfortunately, youre also a clueless f**kwit, who actually thinks hes king of the mountain, although I doubt you know a stack (google) from a heap (google) and if I said big O (google) youd be thinking orgasms. Im actually quite speechless at how highly you rate yourself. Good night.
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I agree with Nathan. Pointless. Just being different for different sakes.
Plus their development tools are horrible. Xcode and Objective C is 50 years behind everything else.
OpenCL isnt though.....
nothing to do with general coding, its just an abstraction of things like CUDA.
edit: Have you ever tried CUDA - its really rather good. I got a speed up of over 100x for a bitmap transform (silly test case I did).
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I thought it was the basis of people spend more on the BMWs and Audis not necessarily because they are indeed "better" but because the general perception is that they are better. I am of the mind that they may have bigger engines, may have more gizmos and gimmicks, but also that they are more expensive and those gizmos and gadgets tend to break. I am also of the mind that generally the owners are indeed annoying gimps with more money than sense. I would like to say the same about iPhones, but as I am considering getting one next year, I would also have to say there are exceptions to the rule :D
Im sure there is a certain amount of I am buying a mac because its cool and because I can afford one, but in defence of Goblin, I dont think he buys apple because he likes the logo. He buys apple because he likes their product.
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But even if I went into Java and talked about the best modern Practises about the Architecture for an a Web application built in Java in terms of the OO etc you would not have a clue what I was on about.... if I got up to speed again (Like I am currently with .NET and Ruby) with everything else I know and how I keep on top of things I would be 10 times better then you Sam. Not because I would be being arrogant prick but it just boils down to keeping on top of what goes on, respect what is going on, take an interest in what is going on, learning more then one thing and just generally not being a miserable old bastard.
In your own way, youre one of the most arrogant and misguided people Ive ever met (or read). That I can handle, and I am more than willing to teach you to help youimprove. Unfortunately, youre also a clueless f**kwit, who actually thinks hes king of the mountain, although I doubt you know a stack (google) from a heap (google) and if I said big O (google) youd be thinking orgasms. Im actually quite speechless at how highly you rate yourself. Good night.
This is the funny thing Sam, I consistantly show I do not know everything and total opposite and How I constantly learn, like to learn etc. Change this around and put your name here Sam and that exactly what you get. You never raise or prove anything when faced with stuff. If you did and valid - Sure, I will say I am wrong, In fact when people have Like Mark for example recently - Admit to it and go off and read.
Has nothing to do with what I know or do not know, It is your terrible attitude in general and as you go just get worse and you increasingly just insult and throw personal insults down. As we all smart people we all know what that means when someone does that. I will again show that I am not what you think by saying I know your better then this Sam, So why do it? rather silly if you ask me.
OF course I f**king know what a stack and a heap is I hope most people here would even if they do not do any programming , You get taught the basics back in bloody high school, Really! Stop being silly!
That is like me saying I bet you need to google what MVC and OO and what UML is. I know you will know what they are.
Your only just proving me right And I actually honestly hoped You wouldnt to be honest.
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Dunno, must have not liked the cut of my jibb.
Car dealerships are incredibly look conscious, basically they want to give over the impression of a classy joint to anyone who looks into the place. You turn up looking scruffy and walking around the place then it looks like the place sells cars for scruffs.
It is a terrible system but I can understand it.
I dont normally go looking at cars in my sunday best, but I wasnt scruffy.
Maybe they were concerned that one of their customers was looking under the bonnet and they were scared by what was under there.
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Anyway.
Back on topic...
To the hardware of the Apple Products. They do nice stuff, lets face it, yeah it is bloody pricey but it is nice and even if they do not nail it what they do is lead everyone else to go that same route. Love or hate the apple products they at the very least set a standard of thinking everyone else can follow and that can only benefit the industry as a whole. Sam thinks the iphone is sh*te for example but the strive by everyone else to beat the iphone in terms of features and everything else about it has created a stream of similar phones. Microsoft has an app store, Palm has one, Google has one as well now for example.
As to how good the hardware is:
I would say it is not that much better then say a PC or other MP3 etc. The run into the same and similar problems just as anything else. Apple just do a good job of making sure it does not get out there as much. Much of their media coverage is devoted to showing up everyone else and they create this wonder atmosphere which creates this huge fanboy mass which Sing and praise Apple which Is just bizzare.
It is a bit like World of Warcraft. It is the best MMO ever, no question about that but the way the fanboys of it react to every other MMO "its copying wow" etc is just stupid, lol.
You could write a paper on those people.
Anyway..
I am getting a new LCD and a new Battery for my Macbook Pro this weekend as it formed white blotches and has a hair trapped in the screen and what appears to be scratches from the inside of the screen. In terms of the hair the apple forums are full of people with similar and solutions by other owners but Apples official response is basically that it is not possible.
In terms of their support, they are pretty crap! checking out the forums sometimes when I have had an issue you find a lot of people with a lot of problems that Apple ignore, they even remove a lot of negativity from the forums as well.
A PC will always have its issues hey.
They have a lot of parts from different people with their own drivers and software and as an OS you have to make them all play nice with each other. When you think about it that is not easy!
Apples solution - Fixed hardware there way and tailor it to work and yeah it does a good job with that but as a result you have little choice and the cost is bloody insane!
Anyone been the apple site and built a macbook pro with the works on it?
The cost! OMG! :rofl:
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Tbh I think you both need to practice what you preach. Nexus, take the advice you have given Sam and re-read what you posted. Sam does learn things, as I am sure you do (after all he did to to america to study computing or something...) Attitude wise, tbh both stink at times, specifically when you two come to heads. Neither of you are innocent of throwing the first "forum" punch.
And pretty much you guys just prove each other right every time you post this crap, so the sooner you stop, the sooner itll be over :P
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Grab the hair, DNA test and if it points to apple, they cant argue :D
Worrying if its a Piab though.
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Tbh I think you both need to practice what you preach. Nexus, take the advice you have given Sam and re-read what you posted. Sam does learn things, as I am sure you do (after all he did to to america to study computing or something...) Attitude wise, tbh both stink at times, specifically when you two come to heads. Neither of you are innocent of throwing the first "forum" punch.
And pretty much you guys just prove each other right every time you post this crap, so the sooner you stop, the sooner itll be over :P
Your right Zpyder, of course he learns things. But I also know quite a few things rounded up over the years about Sam about what he does and does not know and some things that have happened I will never be childish enough to bring up here. Not what I mean when I say learn things.
In modern web design AND Development Sam is out of the loop and when these things are mentioned he dismisses them but does not show any willingness to go use/learn these things as most modern web developers and designers. But as I keep saying, the lack of respect for people who do and comments basically saying I am a thick idiot who copies and pastes code all day and messes about in photoshop is just childish. The stack etc comment here just shows that.
I mean come on, I can be a dick on here but thats just twattish, you not agree?
I Will leave it at that, because you are right but when I think Sam or anyone is wrong I will still at least post links just to show them that. No Developer uses a mac? No Developing software out on a Mac? Just not true so like here I showed that.
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Hey, as I said, I think youre both in the wrong and should be force fed some humble pie and let this whole thing die. Yes I agree about what you say in RE: twattishness...and also your dickishness. (Need I remind you the world is fully of pussys, dicks, and assholes?...)
I get the impression this is a case of a web designer vs a developer (not web developer, just developer...I get the impression you both do web development). You do also come across as having no respect for Sam (likely true, and can be said the other way round) The styles may be different but both are pretty insulting to each other and will continue until you guys just let it be.
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No, we should not let this whole thing die
in fact, we should pick sides and have a forum war, itll be awesome
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I think that this thread may help us discover how to create a perpetual motion machine.
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You do also come across as having no respect for Sam (likely true, and can be said the other way round) The styles may be different but both are pretty insulting to each other and will continue until you guys just let it be.
This gets me a little, No digg directly to you Zpyder but.. I do not read things properly sometimes, True. Get picked up on that. When I consistently say how I think Sam is one of the best Java Coders I have met/known personally this does not work. I do not target him personally like he does me either.
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No, we should not let this whole thing die
in fact, we should pick sides and have a forum war, itll be awesome
Ok, I will Start.
I LOVE YOU MAN!
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I think that this thread may help us discover how to create a perpetual motion machine.
I LOVE YOU TOO DUDE.
Not as much as Alan Mind. Hands off hes mine
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on an actual note @sam : Did you get that Javascript thing sorted? You were going to ask a question about that.
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I do wonder how this has all effected poor Bean, you guys should be ashamed of deeply offending her on a personal level.
Nige has already told me he plans to come round and kick you all in the nuts! :w00t:
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I think this (http://www.itsoverjonny.com/images/c**t-punt.jpg) (NSFW) is more appropriate given the amount of handbags and hissing in this thread.
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I do wonder how this has all effected poor Bean, you guys should be ashamed of deeply offending her on a personal level.
Nige has already told me he plans to come round and kick you all in the nuts! :w00t:
I only asked why they were difficult, and now theres random conversation of cars and all sorts!
But I will get involved in this forum war, Im definitely on the Microsoft side!
Im scared what I have created =\
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Carnivorous plants its religion it seems. (dont ask).
You mean there are sectarian divisions between Venus Fly Traps and Bedfordshire Wart Moss Gobblers? :shock:
FWIW I think the keyboard on the £1200 Macbook pro isnt fit to grace a £300 Acer laptop.
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AmigaOS and Workbench physically urinates over them all from a great height anyway.
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Carnivorous plants its religion it seems. (dont ask).
You mean there are sectarian divisions between Venus Fly Traps and Bedfordshire Wart Moss Gobblers? :shock:
Nah, its the old chestnut of creationism. On a certain newsgroup Im on every now and again someone voices their views on it and suddenly theres about 30 people all ranting and raving about creationism/fanatacism etc. Things like carnivorous plants being animals and Darwin being a heathen etc ><
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Okay, Sam and Liam, stop arguing like a bunch of 10 year olds trying to one up each other with their pokémon cards (sorry, 90s kid) Seriously, Im the youngest person on this forum, and even I think youre squabbling like immature dicks. I asked a question about apple software, I never thought it would lead to an argument over who is more competent at their job!
It might mean a lot to some people, but seriously, its software. People go to war over national disputes and terrorism attacks, not whether Apple or Microsoft is better. Its stupid.
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People go to war over national disputes and terrorism attacks, not whether Apple or Microsoft is better. Its stupid.
Oohhhhhhhhhhhh. So thats what Afghanistan is about, I thought it was because it was where MS was producing Win 7?!
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FWIW I think the keyboard on the £1200 Macbook pro isnt fit to grace a £300 Acer laptop.
Really? I frickin love my MBP keyboard.
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Seriously, Im the youngest person on this forum, and even I think youre squabbling like immature dicks.
:stupid: but its a giggle :)
fwiw my local bmw main dealer is awesome and charges a reasonable hourly rate. My local bini dealer is awesome too.
Beans, Macs are for retards who cant use PCs to uplink pictures from their ups cameras to print on their hifi printers but want to impress everyone with a cool thing that matches the colour of their ipod. They dont care that the one button mouse is a stubbornly retarded design flaw, they dont care that theyre sh*t on a ms network, they dont care that behind the shiny surface of the OS all the systemy tasks are a pain in the arse, because emails on a mac are of a much higher standard than on a PC and Lady Gaga MP3s sound way better and ooh, look how good it looks on my coffee table everyone, look!
Thats why itll take you a while to get to grips with. They kind of make sense in a 6yr-kids-logic kinda way and theyre fine to use.
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What Id like to know is, are ALL the computers in your college Macs, or are you just being subjected to the "Computer Media Suite" where the whole "If you want to do design you have to do it on a Mac" mentality is enforced?
If its the latter, its not too bad as if you want to get into media, even if Macs arent as good for design as they used to be OR WHATEVER (not wanting to kick it up again), the industry will still be using them so knowing how to use them is a plus. If its the former and the college is forcing all its students to use a system which is in the minority and hardly used in any other industries, I find that shocking.
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Beans, Macs are for retards who cant use PCs
Thats why I have a 1st BSc in Applied Computing then?
They dont care that the one button mouse is a stubbornly retarded design flaw
Strange, my MBP supports one, two, three and four finger clicks and gestures, making it much more usable than a two or three button trackpad.
they dont care that theyre sh*t on a ms network
Correct, because Im not on an MS network, but several of my friends are and have no issues
they dont care that behind the shiny surface of the OS all the systemy tasks are a pain in the arse
Examples?
Thats why itll take you a while to get to grips with. They kind of make sense in a 6yr-kids-logic kinda way and theyre fine to use.
In other words they are easy to use and that makes them worse?
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FWIW I think the keyboard on the £1200 Macbook pro isnt fit to grace a £300 Acer laptop.
Really? I frickin love my MBP keyboard.
Its not even as good as my work Dell keyboard, and miles behind the IBM ones. Its just splodgy membrane. For that amount of money, fancy aluminium case and all, Id want something better than average. If Leica made laptops, their UltraLap Pro would be £5999 and the keyboard would be heavenly (and last for decades).
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I had an IBM keyboard once, it was the best keyboard i ever used, it lasted about 10 years
until my mum spilt coke on it :(
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What Id like to know is, are ALL the computers in your college Macs, or are you just being subjected to the "Computer Media Suite" where the whole "If you want to do design you have to do it on a Mac" mentality is enforced?
If its the latter, its not too bad as if you want to get into media, even if Macs arent as good for design as they used to be OR WHATEVER (not wanting to kick it up again), the industry will still be using them so knowing how to use them is a plus. If its the former and the college is forcing all its students to use a system which is in the minority and hardly used in any other industries, I find that shocking.
Pretty much all the computers are macs, seeming as the people that mostly use them are media/photography/music students, I think the only ones that arent macs are a few of the teachers ones in the English and Maths department, a select few in the library, which you have to reserve anyway, and the ones in Café North, the Coffee House and The Balcony Café (my college has a lot of cafés, 5 in total :D)
Theyre meant to be good for media and music use, but for all other subjects theyre a pain in the arse. I think its more a case of yeah we have like 1500 computers here, most of which are macs, arent we awesome?!
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Maybe you should do an engineering course. Thered be more blokes around as well as PCs ;) (not that Clockd will thank me for saying this lol) :lol:
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(http://imagechan.com/img/images/gay%20test.jpeg)
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(http://imagechan.com/img/images/gay%20test.jpeg)
:rofl:
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They dont care that the one button mouse is a stubbornly retarded design flaw
Strange, my MBP supports one, two, three and four finger clicks and gestures, making it much more usable than a two or three button trackpad.
Not being funny, but who wants to click the button four times for one action, when you could have another button?
Some people might want to open a context menu, not play with the OS like its a first person shooter. My Logitech mouse has 8 buttons and scroll action and I bet it was still cheaper than an Apple one button jobbie (and more ergonomic).
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I agree with Nathan. Pointless. Just being different for different sakes.
Plus their development tools are horrible. Xcode and Objective C is 50 years behind everything else.
OpenCL isnt though.....
nothing to do with general coding, its just an abstraction of things like CUDA.
edit: Have you ever tried CUDA - its really rather good. I got a speed up of over 100x for a bitmap transform (silly test case I did).
True though opencl its a bit broader in scope than CUDA, theyve got AMD on board too for a start and it isnt GPU specific rather it will whore out tasks to any processor available. Has a not too insignificant chance of being fairly significant in future (in certain areas). Nvidia claim that CUDA is going to be slightly better on their cards, lower level of abstraction, access to more specific functionality etc..etc... however that could be irrelevant whenever ATI releases some faster/cheaper GFX card...
Havent played with CUDA yet, have been meaning to play with it at some point though.
As far as the mac vs pc thing goes Ive got both and I do quite like the mac for general use (in fact pretty much everything except excel, which is a big pile of wank on a Mac).
Im not a developer so perhaps less interested in the xcode/eclipse thing not that it should be a thing anyway as eclipse is available on the mac too.
As for the car analogy seems to have been a few in here - Jaguar S type vs Ford Mondeo is probably a good one - same chassis, same engine, different finishing touches, brand, build quality, driving experience etc...
Yes since moving to intel macs basically are very comparable to PCs in terms of the underlying hardware - I do prefer the apple OS (use windows on a daily basis too), the battery life is better than any PC laptop Ive owned (have got a fairly recent Dell too), and there are silly little features which are nice like the powerlead having a magnet in it, nice screen, nice finish generally a bit more thought going into the whole form and function of the thing. Spending a few hundred quid more for essentially the same hardware but a slightly better design, OS you prefer etc... isnt going to break the bank.
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Macs are for retards who cant use PCs
There is a bit of that - lots of hot girls have macs and are completely clueless when it comes to technology. Though I wouldnt look at this as a negative, especially when said hot girls say things like Oh cool youve got a mac too, can you help me with...."
On the polar opposite of this are lots of fairly tech savvy types who also have macs - either from an irrational hatred of everything Microsoft nurtured by left wing CS lecturers at (insert northern Russel group uni here) or believe it or not - because they like using them.
Im not saying Im one of those very tech savvy people - Im not very technical tbh... however lots of people I work with are - not just to the point where theyre good at xyz technology but, for some of them, theyve written a few well regarded textbooks on xyz... I work at a fairly profitable mid-sized tech firm and we pay reasonably significant amounts of money to very technical types - money isnt too much of an object for these people and a decent enough portion of them do own Macs.
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They dont care that the one button mouse is a stubbornly retarded design flaw
Strange, my MBP supports one, two, three and four finger clicks and gestures, making it much more usable than a two or three button trackpad.
Not being funny, but who wants to click the button four times for one action, when you could have another button?
Some people might want to open a context menu, not play with the OS like its a first person shooter. My Logitech mouse has 8 buttons and scroll action and I bet it was still cheaper than an Apple one button jobbie (and more ergonomic).
No, as in it can tell how many fingers Im tapping the trackpad with. If I want a context menu I tap the trackpad with two fingers. If I want to scroll (in any direction) I use two fingers to scroll around. Three fingers left and right work as back and forward gestures and four fingers up and down activate (in my case) Exposé.
I can also rotate images by turning two fingers around each other and zoom in and out my pinching. This is all on a trackpad with, technically, *no* physical buttons, which means I have around 4" x 3" trackable surface.
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Homophobic much?
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No, as in it can tell how many fingers Im tapping the trackpad with. If I want a context menu I tap the trackpad with two fingers. If I want to scroll (in any direction) I use two fingers to scroll around. Three fingers left and right work as back and forward gestures and four fingers up and down activate (in my case) Exposé.
I can also rotate images by turning two fingers around each other and zoom in and out my pinching. This is all on a trackpad with, technically, *no* physical buttons, which means I have around 4" x 3" trackable surface.
That does sound very good for a trackpad actually.
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I one loves mac software why not get a good PC and put snow leopard on it ?
Yeah that sounds like a good pad.
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No, as in it can tell how many fingers Im tapping the trackpad with. If I want a context menu I tap the trackpad with two fingers. If I want to scroll (in any direction) I use two fingers to scroll around. Three fingers left and right work as back and forward gestures and four fingers up and down activate (in my case) Exposé.
I can also rotate images by turning two fingers around each other and zoom in and out my pinching. This is all on a trackpad with, technically, *no* physical buttons, which means I have around 4" x 3" trackable surface.
That does sound very good for a trackpad actually.
Feels funny to start with but you get used to it, Defiantly the best trackpad I have used on a laptop.
I one loves mac software why not get a good PC and put snow leopard on it ?
It is not like linux or Unix though. It is tailored to the hardware. There are no drivers etc. You do not install drivers and what not on a mac like you do for pc.
To get a pc set up and OSX you need to have a certain set of hardware to function. The CPU alone you need one of a list or it wont run for example. So while you can your just basically building a mac with pc hardware at a cheaper cost. OF course your breaking the terms of use with the OS so an update at any time could cause your pc not to boot up at all etc.
Doable, lots do but not straight forward.
They tailor it to the hardware.
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Tbh I think you both need to practice what you preach. Nexus, take the advice you have given Sam and re-read what you posted. Sam does learn things, as I am sure you do (after all he did to to america to study computing or something...) Attitude wise, tbh both stink at times, specifically when you two come to heads. Neither of you are innocent of throwing the first "forum" punch.
And pretty much you guys just prove each other right every time you post this crap, so the sooner you stop, the sooner itll be over :P
Im offended by that. I dont care what Nexus says as his posts show him to be an idiot. But my posts, whether or not you agree with my points, are at least coherent and intelligent.
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Tbh I think you both need to practice what you preach. Nexus, take the advice you have given Sam and re-read what you posted. Sam does learn things, as I am sure you do (after all he did to to america to study computing or something...) Attitude wise, tbh both stink at times, specifically when you two come to heads. Neither of you are innocent of throwing the first "forum" punch.
And pretty much you guys just prove each other right every time you post this crap, so the sooner you stop, the sooner itll be over :P
Im offended by that. I dont care what Nexus says as his posts show him to be an idiot. But my posts, whether or not you agree with my points, are at least coherent and intelligent.
No Sam, when your shown not to be right you just ignore the thread. I just sat and took people and agreed with them, be a bit more mature and do the same.
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Tbh I think you both need to practice what you preach. Nexus, take the advice you have given Sam and re-read what you posted. Sam does learn things, as I am sure you do (after all he did to to america to study computing or something...) Attitude wise, tbh both stink at times, specifically when you two come to heads. Neither of you are innocent of throwing the first "forum" punch.
And pretty much you guys just prove each other right every time you post this crap, so the sooner you stop, the sooner itll be over :P
Im offended by that. I dont care what Nexus says as his posts show him to be an idiot. But my posts, whether or not you agree with my points, are at least coherent and intelligent.
I didnt say yours werent, I said that your posts are just as bad for other reasons, its a different writing stile but its still insulting to the other party. And by posts I am referring to pretty much your discussions with nexus and vice versa, both of you can and do usually post useful informative stuff, just not when you are directly "communicating" with each other on the forum :P
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Phobic implys a fear.
Im not scared of Gays, I just dont like them. Its not right.
I dont like aubergines, doesnt mean Im aubergine-phobic.
I have a phobia of wasps and heights, but I dont run away from gays like a little girl.
Id say homonegativity is a better fitting word.
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Btw, I think were going to solve all the worlds problems with this thread. Most popular thread of 2009!
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Phobic implys a fear.
Im not scared of Gays, I just dont like them. Its not right.
I dont like aubergines, doesnt mean Im aubergine-phobic.
I have a phobia of wasps and heights, but I dont run away from gays like a little girl.
Id say homonegativity is a better fitting word.
Oh, so youre intolerant? Swap out "gays" for "blacks" and see what an asshole you sound like.
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no you cant swap out gays for blacks. it doesnt work like that
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no you cant swap out gays for blacks. it doesnt work like that
Intolerance is just that no matter who its aimed at or how much you dress it up.
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oh sure intolerance is, but intolerance of race and intolerance of sexuality is not based on the same thing
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oh sure intolerance is, but intolerance of race and intolerance of sexuality is not based on the same thing
Because…
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Well, i would go into to detail, but i think it probably a topic for another thread, perhaps in speakers corner
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Well, i would go into to detail, but i think it probably a topic for another thread, perhaps in speakers corner
But this thread is apparently suitable for all manner of discussion.
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This sums up my hatred. We get it, your gay. Enough with the f**king irritating voice.
Not a problem :
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(http://www.queerattitude.com/img/dirs/society/famous/john_barrowman.jpg)
f**kING DIE!!!!
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No problem with blacks. Just niggers. There is a difference. Ask Chris Rock.
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So you have a problem with screaming queens then, who doesnt?
However:
Im not scared of Gays, I just dont like them. Its not right.
You have specifically said you dislike a large group of people and arbitrarily decided that their sexual preference is "not right". Sounds pretty intolerant.
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What can I say, Death to the infadels.
Maybe I should have quantified.
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everyone is intolerant of something or other, and im not talking about lactose intolerant
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everyone is intolerant of something or other, and im not talking about lactose intolerant
I dont think so. There can be specific people you dont like, but deciding an entire group of people are worthy of contempt is not normal.
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everyone is intolerant of something or other, and im not talking about lactose intolerant
I agree, everyone is intolerant of something somewhere along the line and if its something minor and wholly irrelevant as it is with the vast majority of people then fair enough. There is, however, absolutely no excuse for marginalising an entire group of people based on a disturbingly prejudiced and misguided premise.
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Get on topic or I will close thread.
:rage:
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Or move it to waffle, as this is a thread of many topics.
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everyone is intolerant of something or other, and im not talking about lactose intolerant
I dont think so. There can be specific people you dont like, but deciding an entire group of people are worthy of contempt is not normal.
you seem to be being pretty intolerant of intolerant people at the moment ;)
I for example am intolerant of Apple Mac computers. There, now were back on topic :)
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Yeah let os talk about macs :)
They are expensive otherwise ok.
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apple macs so hard to use?!
I hate college ):
I dont find them hard to use, then again Ive never bothered using one for more than a couple of minutes....
I do use an Apple keyboard though, at least some of the time.
FWIW I think the keyboard on the £1200 Macbook pro isnt fit to grace a £300 Acer laptop.
Really? I frickin love my MBP keyboard.
Its not even as good as my work Dell keyboard, and miles behind the IBM ones. Its just splodgy membrane. For that amount of money, fancy aluminium case and all, Id want something better than average. If Leica made laptops, their UltraLap Pro would be £5999 and the keyboard would be heavenly (and last for decades).
Ive got an original XT IBM keyboard. Proper mechanical keys FTW.
The thin Apple keyboards are quite good, providing you dont connect them to a mac...
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I would just like to point out i disconnected the nipple mouse in the first day, and connected a wireless pc type mouse and it improved my productivity by 20% as proven by the scientists that live only in my mind! :rock:
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Bean told me today "Im getting used to the Macs a bit now, I finally found Safari in the applications :)"
:ptu:
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Bean told me today "Im getting used to the Macs a bit now, I finally found Safari in the applications :)"
:ptu:
Safari is crap :P Get her to use Firefox :P
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BK > Macs.
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Btw, I think were going to solve all the worlds problems with this thread. Most popular thread of 2009!
I feel proud :D
Bean told me today "Im getting used to the Macs a bit now, I finally found Safari in the applications "
Yes, I am (: so really apart from all the bitching, this is now, pretty much useless (:
And, the problem with that is I dont have permission to download firefox on the college computers, but I use it at home, on my nice and easy to use vista lappity (:
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Cmd-Space is your friend. Get used to using Spotlight and youll never go near the apps folder again.
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End of the day we can all argue about all this for months.
Ball point thing is - What works for you is the thing that works best!
The thing to remember though is to not NOT like other software or products because your a fanboy or you like the one your using so much. If you not tried it that especially pisses me off. IF your a person who does not know things exist or has not looked at something new or something else and who just dismisses at crap out right, then your an idiot. Keep and open mind, try things out, try and see what is out there.
But yeah, If it works for you and you have tried other things but prefer the thing your using - Great!
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Tbh I think you both need to practice what you preach. Nexus, take the advice you have given Sam and re-read what you posted. Sam does learn things, as I am sure you do (after all he did to to america to study computing or something...) Attitude wise, tbh both stink at times, specifically when you two come to heads. Neither of you are innocent of throwing the first "forum" punch.
And pretty much you guys just prove each other right every time you post this crap, so the sooner you stop, the sooner itll be over :P
Im offended by that. I dont care what Nexus says as his posts show him to be an idiot. But my posts, whether or not you agree with my points, are at least coherent and intelligent.
I didnt say yours werent, I said that your posts are just as bad for other reasons, its a different writing stile but its still insulting to the other party. And by posts I am referring to pretty much your discussions with nexus and vice versa, both of you can and do usually post useful informative stuff, just not when you are directly "communicating" with each other on the forum :P
Im even more insulted you class Nexus and I in the same breath :)
Its like saying Ronaldo and a sunday pub footballer are equally qualified to comment on football.
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...on my nice and easy to use vista lappity (:
I hate vista, still use XP, or, occasionally, Linux, but it looks like Windoze 7 is going to be what it should have been on release... :prays hard:
Im even more insulted you class Nexus and I in the same breath :)
Its like saying Ronaldo and a sunday pub footballer are equally qualified to comment on football.
Obviously Ronaldo isnt qualified to comment on football :P
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Get on topic or I will close thread.
:rage:
dont be so intolerant -)
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I used to get laughed at when at work, I hadnt realised the fact :
I chuckled at people who had the mac, Ipod, iphone etc... then someone pointed out....
I had Zune, PCs, Windows Mobile, and Xbox.
Fail.
Im addressing the balance. Im now on Ubuntu and have an Android phone
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Get on topic or I will close thread.
:rage:
dont be so intolerant -)
LoL
It is fine but why is it so hard to discuss hardware/software without getting rude ?
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I used to get laughed at when at work, I hadnt realised the fact :
I chuckled at people who had the mac, Ipod, iphone etc... then someone pointed out....
I had Zune, PCs, Windows Mobile, and Xbox.
Fail.
Im addressing the balance. Im now on Ubuntu and have an Android phone
Ubuntu is fine I am using it and I am very happy with it I will not go back to Xp and absolutly not to Vista.
And no spending of money on software :)
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Ubuntu is fine I am using it and I am very happy with it I will not go back to Xp and absolutly not to Vista.
And no spending of money on software :)
Only reason I use XP is availability of games. I also have a book writing proggy called roughdraft that would be difficult to replace but that isnt really a problem, I could use any text editor at a push.
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Ubuntu is fine I am using it and I am very happy with it I will not go back to Xp and absolutly not to Vista.
And no spending of money on software :)
Only reason I use XP is availability of games. I also have a book writing proggy called roughdraft that would be difficult to replace but that isnt really a problem, I could use any text editor at a push.
I still use XP to, and ill be putting XP back on my i5 rig later tonight when ive built it, but it has to wait, been called out to install a router for someone.
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Ubuntu is fine I am using it and I am very happy with it I will not go back to Xp and absolutly not to Vista.
And no spending of money on software :)
Only reason I use XP is availability of games. I also have a book writing proggy called roughdraft that would be difficult to replace but that isnt really a problem, I could use any text editor at a push.
Would work in Wine I am sure as most games do.
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I seem to have got several copies of XP through buying new PCs and from friends junked ones. Its also just the thought of the extra cycles needed.
/protectsmegahurtz
I use a netbook eee pc with linux.
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I still use XP to, and ill be putting XP back on my i5 rig later tonight when ive built it, but it has to wait, been called out to install a router for someone.
windows 7 64bit is definitely much faster for me than XP 64bit was....
I think it handles the extra cores and ram better ?
(tho i turned off all the fancy gfx so it actually looks like xp)
something to think about ;)
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I seem to have got several copies of XP through buying new PCs and from friends junked ones. Its also just the thought of the extra cycles needed.
/protectsmegahurtz
I use a netbook eee pc with linux.
Are you using this ? http://www.ubuntu.com/GetUbuntu/download-netbook
kompatible netbooks https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks
I installed it on USB stick and tried it on a regular PC works fine :)
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Still got the original OS it came with on, downloading now...
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Still got the original OS it came with on, downloading now...
I used the stick at work to boot with so I could watch youtube as flash was not installed and I do not have the administrative privileges but now they found that it is nescessary to have flash, LoL.
If you are running ubuntu it is a good idea to go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
so you can get more apps etc.
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http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/10/08/mossberg_windows_7_narrows_the_gap_with_apples_mac_os_x.html
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"After months of testing Vista on multiple computers, new and old, I believe it is the best version of Windows that Microsoft has produced." (http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB116908385298979668-0KM342sGUp9UKiEikdnpxRiVaZw_20080118.html)
Uncle Mossberg has clearly been senile for several years.
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Vista has done more to help the spread of Linux on the desktop than Ubuntu, SuSe, Red-Hat and Debian combined.
edit: I should point out that this comment has no basis in evidence whatsoever, it feels true though!
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I havent read the whole thread to see if it was pointed out but
MAC OSX IS NOT BASED ON FREEBSD
IT IS OPENSTEP/NEXT WITH SOME BSD PATCHES.
FreeBSD and NetBSD are ultra stable, and make proper use of the UFS.
You cant mention them in the same continent, never mind the same sentence as other desktop oss
I dont even think macs are that expensive any more, but theyre certainly not streets ahead of proper computers.
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Nice One :nana:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8304229.stm
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Apple plans turbocharged Mac Pro speedster
Intel Gulftown chips to provide the horsepower
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/16/apple_gulftown/
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Recently bought my self a Mac Book Pro and enjoying it, mainly bought it to learn that whole area and have a good level of understanding of the platform. Using my mac daily and hardly ever use my desktop now even for gaming I can sit in OSX and play Left4Dead happly :)
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Ive always been a PC at heart.
Not like the rest, the others. Everyone around me. I was at odds with my society and knew it early since birth. Unlike them, I did not "Think Different!"--the mantra of the Macs around me, the phrase on all the billboards in the city that served as a reminder to its citizenry. Sameness pervaded the essence of my being and no amount of self-conditioning I did could change that. Eventually, I gave up and isolated myself emotionally from society.
I gaze at the faces going by, the white earphones contrasting their black turtle-necks, connecting their ears to their pockets, their blank faces engrossed in hip Indie rock music and various garage bands. I envied them for their perfection against my flaws and my compulsive nature to expand, to burden my life with troubles instead of remaining, like them, simple and easy to deal with. The grandest of virtues, simplicity... the philosophy by our loyal benefactor Steve Jobs, who descended from the heavens, creating the Earth, the iron, the wind and the rain. Steve Jobs, who defined the parameters of existence, the one who set about the patterns of reality, the constants, the variables. He who made gravity, electromagnetic energy, and shaped atomic structures and brought forth motion. From these things, he crafted the elements, processed them, refined them, and from these things engineered Apple products through the purity of his mind. Each Apple product was individually crafted by his own hands with the programming code used to run each device having being compiled in his brain and uploaded to each device telepathically, breathing life and perfection into each and every unit.
Except, it seems, for me, for I was not among the many. I was a PC. They were Macs. Ive always been a cold, stiff person. I got by, disguising myself by keeping my non-Ipod music player safely out of sight, which I use because of my depraved nature demanding more functionality than the simple and easy-to-use Ipods have to offer.. In the safety of my own home, behind locked doors, I ran a Forbidden, a contraband computer from more depraved, earlier days that was not given the love and blessing of being birthed by Steve Jobs. I dual booted, out of the great sin of curiosity-- curiosity, a shameful value of a PC, as curiosity has no place where simplicity matters most--using two of the great unutterable blasphemies-- something called "Windows Vista" and something else called "Linux." Although, as I mentioned before, although my tendency to be a PC and towards conformity has always been inherent to me, I was truly transformed when I found these old things in a hidden cache of computer parts pre-dating The Purging. Perhaps the greatest sin of all, the single evil that, if discovered, would damn me forever, was the fact that my mouse had more than one button.
As I walk among the Macs on the streets, passing the Starbuckses as I went along, I wondered how it all came to this. I glanced at The Holy Marks on the foreheads as the people wandered down the streets, the Bitten Apple tattooed on all our of us at birth, and wondered if, perhaps, there could be something more to life. But again, this was a PCs thought, and not, like everyone elses, a Macs. We were to hold ourselves to the philosophy of Steve Jobs--so as his products were designed for idiots, so too were we to be idiots. But I was not a Mac--I was not an idiot. I was simply too complicated to be a worthwhile person.
Nature called. I found a nearby public iPoo--squeaky clean and sparkly white, things werent all bad--and let myself go, expelling the waste that had accumulated inside me. After relieving myself and committing the overly-complicated and thus illegal act of wiping my ass (I did not flush as iPoos, designed to be idiot-proof, did not flush) I left and once again wandered the streets aimlessly, hoping to find some meaning in a world where I simply did not belong, a world where if my true nature was discovered, I would be endlessly persecuted by smug, self-righteous sons of bitches.
8-)