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Chat => General Discussion => Topic started by: Cypher on November 26, 2007, 00:09:25 AM
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So when are you putting up your (PC) Winterfest tree and decorations?
Some nutters accross the road from me have had them up the last week.
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Yule tree is going up first weekend in December for us since well be away from the 20th so wont get to enjoy it for as long.
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Saturday. We always put it up December 1st.
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When I find my round tuit but not this month.
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WTF? Christmas trees damn it! Christmas!!! Forget this PC rubbish its totally stupid, they should be the ones respecting the fact they are round our place and doing their best not to offend us TBFH
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Winterfest Tree
Youre dead to me.
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Our exmas tree is going up when madame pulls it out of the box.
I wanted a real Christmas tree hacked out of the forest with spiders and sharp needles to put in an old bucket, but shes allergic :(
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the 23rd of dec, why earlier ?
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12th, no earlier.
*oh sh*t i have a massive party at mine, i hope my tree doesnt get trashed >_<*
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Our exmas tree is going up when madame pulls it out of the box.
I wanted a real Christmas tree hacked out of the forest with spiders and sharp needles to put in an old bucket, but shes allergic :(
Sorry hunny we cant always have what we want :twisted: and the xmas tree may go up this weekend I aint decided yet!!!
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what the f**k is winterfest?
Its Christmas.. if it offends people, tough sh*t, they can f**k off to another country or lock themselves inside for the next 6 weeks.
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what the f**k is winterfest?
Its Christmas.. if it offends people, tough sh*t, they can f**k off to another country or lock themselves inside for the next 6 weeks.
He was taking the piss.
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:lol:
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And if I, as a self confessed non-practising pagan, wish to celebrate the Winter Solstice or Yule with the ritual decoration of a tree then I da,m well will. We had it a long time before the Christians got a hold of it.
(Only slightly tongue-in-cheek)
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How can pagans claim to have CHRISTmas before CHRISTians. Just because you worshipped the sun god, or wine god, or some god, when it snowed, doesnt give them automatic bragging rights over any other festival at this time.
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The pagans and the vikings never claimed to have CHRISTmas before the CHRISTians but they celebrated blot
(an offering cermony) at midwinter solstice, the christians saw it fit to claim the same time as the birth of jesus to be able to get them to celebrate that instead (even if jesus wasnt born in december ) luckely midsommer is still there to celebrate without any christian involvment.
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Actually I think Christians celebrate Christmas when they do cos that was when Jesus was born. Im not sure stealing the pagans festival was that important to them. Mostly because paganism is a total load of bollocks.
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Its more the misappropriation of the paraphenalia associated with the time and the subsequent persecution of non-Christians and the abhorrence generally levelled at people wanting to celebrate the time in the old way.
To be honest I dont actually care and anyone objecting that the season in any form offends their religious sensibilities can paddle off to hell in a slop bucket. I love Christmas even if I dont believe in what its supposed to be a celebration of.
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http://www.new-life.net/chrtms10.htm
The Roman Catholic writer Mario Righetti candidly admits that, "to facilitate the acceptance of the faith by the pagan masses, the Church of Rome found it convenient to institute the 25th of December as the feast of the birth of Christ to divert them from the pagan feast, celebrated on the same day in honor of the Invincible Sun Mithras, the conqueror of darkness"
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Its more the misappropriation of the paraphenalia associated with the time and the subsequent persecution of non-Christians and the abhorrence generally levelled at people wanting to celebrate the time in the old way.
I dont understand that waffle ?
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Its more the misappropriation of the paraphenalia associated with the time and the subsequent persecution of non-Christians and the abhorrence generally levelled at people wanting to celebrate the time in the old way.
I dont understand that waffle ?
Christians stole the Yule/Blot etc holiday (and all of its associated decorations, imagery and paraphernalia) from pagan-folk in an effort to convert the unwashed masses.
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If you ask a christian priest or minister which time of the year he finds important he/she will most likely answer: "easter".
Sam look at my post just above your last one :)
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How can pagans claim to have CHRISTmas before CHRISTians. Just because you worshipped the sun god, or wine god, or some god, when it snowed, doesnt give them automatic bragging rights over any other festival at this time.
Its like someone coming to your house, pasting a new door number over the old one, picking the locks and moving in. Its still your house.
Basically the Christians put their holy days onto pagan ones everywhere, harvest festival is another originally pagan festival.
TBH if people followed the proper rules regarding holy days, or holidays as they are now known, you would be getting 364 days off a year by now.
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So youre saying pagans own any festival during the winter months? Ridiculous.
Lets also take into account paganism itself is a little bit silly.
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So youre saying pagans own any festival during the winter months? Ridiculous.
Lets also take into account paganism itself is a little bit silly.
Actually far more than just Christmas were pagan festivals, including Easter (hence the name, after the goddess Eostre as recorded by the venerable St Bede). Having Christian holidays on the same dates as there were already pagans celebrating their own festivals made sense because it allowed them to more readily accept the new religion.
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All I am saying is that the 3 remaininig pagans in the world think they are more important than Christmas. Christmas is after Christs birth and it doesnt really matter when it is, it just happens to be at the same time as your stonehenge festival or something.
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All I am saying is that the 3 remaininig pagans in the world think they are more important than Christmas. Christmas is after Christs birth and it doesnt really matter when it is, it just happens to be at the same time as your stonehenge festival or something.
Christmas is after Christs birth but he wasnt born then. Its pretty much common knowledge Sam, didnt you get the memo?
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The time of year is correct, its the year that is wrong. So what is your point ?
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So youre saying pagans own any festival during the winter months? Ridiculous.
Lets also take into account paganism itself is a little bit silly.
Actually far more than just Christmas were pagan festivals, including Easter (hence the name, after the goddess Eostre as recorded by the venerable St Bede). Having Christian holidays on the same dates as there were already pagans celebrating their own festivals made sense because it allowed them to more readily accept the new religion.
But then again the Christians have their share of silliness too, just look at the Yankeeland bible belt. And science is just plain ridiculous at times.
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So youre saying pagans own any festival during the winter months? Ridiculous.
Lets also take into account paganism itself is a little bit silly.
Actually far more than just Christmas were pagan festivals, including Easter (hence the name, after the goddess Eostre as recorded by the venerable St Bede). Having Christian holidays on the same dates as there were already pagans celebrating their own festivals made sense because it allowed them to more readily accept the new religion.
But then again the Christians have their share of silliness too, just look at the Yankeeland bible belt. And science is just plain ridiculous at times.
Going off topic but if one pagan decides to be a nutter that doesnt mean paganism is nutty right ?
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The time of year is correct, its the year that is wrong. So what is your point ?
His point is it has to be shared now, The Christmas tree is a definite pagan symbol, not Christian. TBH he can call it what he damn well likes for all I care :D
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So youre saying pagans own any festival during the winter months? Ridiculous.
Lets also take into account paganism itself is a little bit silly.
Actually far more than just Christmas were pagan festivals, including Easter (hence the name, after the goddess Eostre as recorded by the venerable St Bede). Having Christian holidays on the same dates as there were already pagans celebrating their own festivals made sense because it allowed them to more readily accept the new religion.
But then again the Christians have their share of silliness too, just look at the Yankeeland bible belt. And science is just plain ridiculous at times.
Going off topic but if one pagan decides to be a nutter that doesnt mean paganism is nutty right ?
If one Christian is a nutter does that mean Christianity is nutty? Same with Muslims and Islam, etc.
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So youre saying pagans own any festival during the winter months? Ridiculous.
Lets also take into account paganism itself is a little bit silly.
Actually far more than just Christmas were pagan festivals, including Easter (hence the name, after the goddess Eostre as recorded by the venerable St Bede). Having Christian holidays on the same dates as there were already pagans celebrating their own festivals made sense because it allowed them to more readily accept the new religion.
But then again the Christians have their share of silliness too, just look at the Yankeeland bible belt. And science is just plain ridiculous at times.
Going off topic but if one pagan decides to be a nutter that doesnt mean paganism is nutty right ?
If one Christian is a nutter does that mean Christianity is nutty? Same with Muslims and Islam, etc.
No, but i never said it did. You did, so now you are arguing with yourself. Which makes you daft.
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The time of year is correct, its the year that is wrong. So what is your point ?
His point is it has to be shared now, The Christmas tree is a definite pagan symbol, not Christian. TBH he can call it what he damn well likes for all I care :D
But no Christian on here ever raised a single argument against it being shared. These two pagans started posting about Christians stealing their festival.
Please lets keep to the facts, lets keep to what people said, lets argue about the debate. Lets not make things up and argue about fictious points or debate what people never even mentioned in the first place in the hope it will re-inforce your point.
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The time of year is correct, its the year that is wrong. So what is your point ?
The time of year is not correct ! look here
http://www.new-life.net/chrtms10.htm
there is all kinds of evidence that it is not.
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I cant be arsed reading all that waffle. But I guess it argues about Jesus being born 10 days either side of Christmas. Big deal. Its basically the same thing, hence my saying time of year not exact day.
If Jesus was born on the 1st of January its hardly a seismic shift in the catholic calendar.
And more importantly, Christmas day is symbolic. It doesnt matter if Jesus was born on the 1st of August. Apart from silly Athesists who want to argue that that somehow makes Christianity somehow pointless.
PS. Someone got Elvis birthday wrong. That makes his contribution to rocknroll irrelevant.
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The time of year is correct, its the year that is wrong. So what is your point ?
His point is it has to be shared now, The Christmas tree is a definite pagan symbol, not Christian. TBH he can call it what he damn well likes for all I care :D
But no Christian on here ever raised a single argument against it being shared. These two pagans started posting about Christians stealing their festival.
Please lets keep to the facts, lets keep to what people said, lets argue about the debate. Lets not make things up and argue about fictious points or debate what people never even mentioned in the first place in the hope it will re-inforce your point.
Its not a question of "stealing" the festival Sam. Its a case of reading a bit of history to understand what actually happened.
Actually nevermind. It doesnt matter anyway, Ill celebrate my festival the way I want to and wish others all the best for the holiday season no matter what they want to call it or what their reasons are for celebrating. There is no debate.
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I cant be arsed reading all that waffle. But I guess it argues about Jesus being born 10 days either side of Christmas. Big deal. Its basically the same thing, hence my saying time of year not exact day.
If Jesus was born on the 1st of January its hardly a seismic shift in the catholic calendar.
And more importantly, Christmas day is symbolic. It doesnt matter if Jesus was born on the 1st of August. Apart from silly Athesists who want to argue that that somehow makes Christianity somehow pointless.
PS. Someone got Elvis birthday wrong. That makes his contribution to rocknroll irrelevant.
I am not arguing that it would make Christianity pointless but in the bible you can see that i can not have been in december but rather in august or september.
again a quote from what you call waffle
The Roman Catholic writer Mario Righetti candidly admits that, "to facilitate the acceptance of the faith by the pagan masses, the Church of Rome found it convenient to institute the 25th of December as the feast of the birth of Christ to divert them from the pagan feast, celebrated on the same day in honor of the Invincible Sun Mithras, the conqueror of darkness"
and at the very end
The purpose of this article is NOT to suggest that we change the day of Christmas or the year of our calendars! It is to give added meaning and insight to our Lords birth, particularly from a Jewish perspective. But shouldnt we celebrate Jesus birthday on the correct day? If it really mattered to Jesus when we celebrate His birth, then He would have made the exact day crystal clear with absolute certainty. What we celebrate is far more important than the day we celebrate it one. For example, in the United States we celebrate Presidents Day in February, but this doesnt mean that all the presidents were born in February.
The essential fact is that God did enflesh Himself in time and space (1 John 4:2). He was born from a woman on a specific day in a specific year, walked among us, died for our sins, was raised from the dead, and ascended into heaven. This is what we celebrate at Christmas: God was (and is) with us!
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Going off topic but if one pagan decides to be a nutter that doesnt mean paganism is nutty right ?
If one Christian is a nutter does that mean Christianity is nutty? Same with Muslims and Islam, etc.
No, but i never said it did. You did, so now you are arguing with yourself. Which makes you daft.
You tried to make out that one pagan nutter meant they were all nuts, I just turned the question around, effectively it was your question so if my question is daft yours is too and you are the daft one here.
The time of year is correct, its the year that is wrong. So what is your point ?
His point is it has to be shared now, The Christmas tree is a definite pagan symbol, not Christian. TBH he can call it what he damn well likes for all I care :D
But no Christian on here ever raised a single argument against it being shared. These two pagans started posting about Christians stealing their festival.
Please lets keep to the facts, lets keep to what people said, lets argue about the debate. Lets not make things up and argue about fictious points or debate what people never even mentioned in the first place in the hope it will re-inforce your point.
You brought up the issue of him calling the winter festival winterfest, which started this.
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I cant be arsed reading all that waffle. But I guess it argues about Jesus being born 10 days either side of Christmas. Big deal. Its basically the same thing, hence my saying time of year not exact day.
If Jesus was born on the 1st of January its hardly a seismic shift in the catholic calendar.
And more importantly, Christmas day is symbolic. It doesnt matter if Jesus was born on the 1st of August. Apart from silly Athesists who want to argue that that somehow makes Christianity somehow pointless.
PS. Someone got Elvis birthday wrong. That makes his contribution to rocknroll irrelevant.
They have no idea when he was born. The decision was made a hundreds of years after he died and his birth date had been lost a long time by then. It was most probably around April 1st as we still use that as the beginning of our tax year and that is based on the Roman one which was in use in Israel at the time.
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As per Cyphers original question usually on my Birthday which is the 13th.
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Christ it was a straight forward question with a touch of sarcasm! :lol:
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no no. My only issue was with Egg complaining about people not calling it a Christmas tree and, in his normal xenophobic way, suggested they should go back to their own countries when the idea of a Christmas tree never came from a Christian idea in the first place.
Personally, I think Christmas is now international time of consumerism and/or time of happiness and family (both are good)
As long as people enjoy themselves and life in peace and harmony with their fellow man for at least a couple of days, who cares what belief system they ascribe to.
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Pagans can sod off to the 21st of December.
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nothing like xenophobia of faiths peoples never studied. great way to show the uk is one of the best educated nations in the world by showing ignorance, fear and bigotry.
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You brought up the issue of him calling the winter festival winterfest, which started this.
No I didnt.
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no no. My only issue was with Egg complaining about people not calling it a Christmas tree and, in his normal xenophobic way, suggested they should go back to their own countries when the idea of a Christmas tree never came from a Christian idea in the first place.
Personally, I think Christmas is now international time of consumerism and/or time of happiness and family (both are good)
As long as people enjoy themselves and life in peace and harmony with their fellow man for at least a couple of days, who cares what belief system they ascribe to.
Everyone enjoys christmas & the time of year.. why cant every f**king religion just get together & just invent a holiday at around the same time of year? Pagans, Jews, hebrews, whatever god you sheep want to follow..
For most, Christmas is the only time people can be bothered to go bother with those they are related to... myslef included - I dont really bother with my family.... Friends are more important to me than family. My friends are hand selected by choice. My family was kind of forced upon me :P
At the end of the day, its just a word. Why we should bend over backwards just because people are offended by the word is f**ked up. Dont like the term Christmas? then dont celebrate it. Christians dont get offended by the chinese celebrating their new year, or whatever religion celebrates Pass Over, etc.
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no no. My only issue was with Egg complaining about people not calling it a Christmas tree and, in his normal xenophobic way, suggested they should go back to their own countries when the idea of a Christmas tree never came from a Christian idea in the first place.
Personally, I think Christmas is now international time of consumerism and/or time of happiness and family (both are good)
As long as people enjoy themselves and life in peace and harmony with their fellow man for at least a couple of days, who cares what belief system they ascribe to.
Everyone enjoys christmas & the time of year.. why cant every f**king religion just get together & just invent a holiday at around the same time of year? Pagans, Jews, hebrews, whatever god you sheep want to follow..
For most, Christmas is the only time people can be bothered to go bother with those they are related to... myslef included - I dont really bother with my family.... Friends are more important to me than family. My friends are hand selected by choice. My family was kind of forced upon me :P
At the end of the day, its just a word. Why we should bend over backwards just because people are offended by the word is f**ked up. Dont like the term Christmas? then dont celebrate it. Christians dont get offended by the chinese celebrating their new year, or whatever religion celebrates Pass Over, etc.
I agree with that, why change the name just to be PC ? Only reason I can think of is that the stores think they might get more non christian customers.
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At the end of the day, its just a word. Why we should bend over backwards just because people are offended by the word is f**ked up. Dont like the term Christmas? then dont celebrate it. Christians dont get offended by the chinese celebrating their new year, or whatever religion celebrates Pass Over, etc.
Kind of ironic that you argue people should be able to call it what they want, but then moan if they dont it Christmas.
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Kind of ironic that you argue people should be able to call it what they want, but then moan if they dont it Christmas.
I dont agree with the reasons for changing it.
I bet those who are "offended" by the word Christmas, still celebrate it though.
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Of course they would. They want time off work.
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Of course they would. They want time off work.
yea.. 13:30 - 13:45 when they shut their shop for dinner
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lol
does that include pagans ? Is that when they are worshipping the stone god, or the mud god or something ?
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You brought up the issue of him calling the winter festival winterfest, which started this.
No I didnt.
OK it was Egg being a moron, but you said He was taking the piss.
Actually why are we arguing about this as I call it the winter festival too and Im definitely Christian? :shock: Winterfest is just a shortening of this.
Christmas is the Mass of Christ shortened, and only applies to either the night of Christmas eve or the morning of Christmas day. Even then you have to attend mass, IE GO TO CHURCH! :p
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It is JUL (Yuletide) :D
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since when did this turn into a religion circlejerk.
Im thinking of going real tree this year, what subspecies do you reccomend?
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An axe the 23rd, a forrest and find a good one :D
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mmm ill have to find a forest at home...
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When I was at tescos I found Muslims to be the worst for it, Millions of "religious" Holidays through the year, and still expected time off at our holiday too. F-O.
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When I was at tescos I found Muslims to be the worst for it, Millions of "religious" Holidays through the year, and still expected time off at our holiday too. F-O.
Both have the cake and eat it kinda thing.
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yeah, hedonism ftw!
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If you have not seen zeitgeist you all should and discuss :)
I got the torrent here but one can watch it without downloading.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
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nice. i enjoyed the slovak subtitles.
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I prefer the czech ones cause they make better beer :)
anyway the movie has a to long intro, skip the first 7 minutes and youll be stuck.
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An axe the 23rd, a forrest and find a good one :D
And watch out for anti tree poachers with shotguns after peppering yo ass :mrgreen:
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Spanish nerd tree (http://youtube.com/watch?v=9j22cnSfE4U)