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Chat => General Discussion => Topic started by: M3ta7h3ad on August 30, 2007, 20:33:09 PM
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Blimmin eck, I used to think I had it tough in uni with working every day in the week including weekends, and having uni and uni work to do during the day.
But working 9-5:30 weekdays, and having a social life in the evenings means that for the last 3 weeks I just havent had blimmin time to unpack my stuff yet! lol!!! Im still mostly living out of boxes, my fridge is bare and contains hardly anything other than some milk, cheese, and a bottle of white wine.
My cupboards... bare. I just havent had time to shop, and I dont know when Ill be around to do an online order! :D lol.
Also waiting in for a delivery is a nightmare, so I cant even buy things online anymore and have them delivered home, Ive got to get them delivered to my office, then get a taxi home later to carry the bulky stuff home.
I need a double bed, only way im going to be able to get it is if I buy one with my parents and get it there and then on the weekend. lol! What a nightmare.
Living on your own for the first time (and I aint talking shared house/uni bollocks), is rather blimmin time consuming!
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Do you know I almost get embarrassed telling people about how much I work in my new job.
In my old job I was doing 90 hour weeks sometimes, with an average of 55 per week. This job Im pushing 30 a week *at a stretch* - 18-25 is more normal, and Im getting paid about twice as much! And people take me more seriously becuase instead of being a manager Im now a consultant
Cant recommend it enough :)
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ive been doing 8-6 for the past few weeks in my job, its boring and sh*t and repetetive and generally an insult. roll on october, i miss using my brain for more than just basic life processes :/
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Do you know I almost get embarrassed telling people about how much I work in my new job.
In my old job I was doing 90 hour weeks sometimes, with an average of 55 per week. This job Im pushing 30 a week *at a stretch* - 18-25 is more normal, and Im getting paid about twice as much! And people take me more seriously becuase instead of being a manager Im now a consultant
Cant recommend it enough :)
Know what you mean, I rarely work more than 30hours a week, usually around the 20hour mark. Its only when theres a server that needs rebuilding that knocks my time up. This week, Ive either started after 1pm or finished before 1pm. Been Great :mrgreen:
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Im just a low life government AO, its the most boring job I have ever done in my life, even more boring than when I used to shred paper way back when I was in school.
I have so many ideas and things I want to try and businesses I want to start its just overwhelming and I try to save u, but I fail at every corner :(
I want my own place and will some day have one as well as, hopefully a mutitude of businesses.
Why not get yourself a PO Box? I think theyre like £70 a year and you go and pick your post up when you can :)
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lol, I used to completely disagree with people saying working is harder than uni, and while I dont necessarily agree with them, its a completely different way of life. Different stress, different circumstances, but bloody hell I dont half find this part of my life more difficult. :D lol
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you 30 hr or under a week guys.. what do you do and how did you get there?
im a long way off being a lowly 2nd line support tech but i want to work hard and get up to "consultant" level, no doubt itll take a few years
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And people take me more seriously becuase instead of being a manager Im now a consultant
yep - tis just the word consultant that gets things done tbh..
My job title isnt consultant but Ill use if I dont want to have to wait for several hours while various IT/printer monkeys phone each other to seek authorization for me to do things
"Hi Im a consultant from XXXXXXX Ive just been speaking to our development team and we need to get into your system and do XYZ" - gets me passwords, tokens etc.. straight away.
Tis no wonder that hackers/crackers etc.. also look at social engineering because a shed load of people who work in IT will ditch all their procedures if they think someone half important is on the phone or if they are made to believe that an issue is too urgent for them to mess round phoning people.
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See I hear consultant and instantly think of balding 40yr old plus men, who are well versed in standards and paperwork, but when it comes to the nitty gritty, know bugger all about the technical side of it.
I know that isnt the case with Mark, but still :) Same feeling like.
Hearing consultant doesnt make me move faster, programme or project manager, now that puts the willies up me. :D
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Only the words "Youll be fired if you dont work faster" gets me motivated in my job. It really is the pitts.
But I am going to fly a kite at lunch time tomorrow with the beutiful woman that sits in front of me.
Oh and even if I was on the phone in previous jobs, nothing would get me to change procedures.
People would be like "Well Im good friends with the chairman of BT" and Id say "So? What does he know about broadband?" theyd shut up :D
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you 30 hr or under a week guys.. what do you do and how did you get there?
im a long way off being a lowly 2nd line support tech but i want to work hard and get up to "consultant" level, no doubt itll take a few years
Im a server engineer/consultant/whatever title you want to gimme to the public sector & military that keeps this country ticking. - So I only work when theres a problem. I also help out tiers, but only when the calls are short & sweet as I have to be available
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Sweeeeeet :) lol go with engineer :) more respect :D lol
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you 30 hr or under a week guys.. what do you do and how did you get there?
im a long way off being a lowly 2nd line support tech but i want to work hard and get up to "consultant" level, no doubt itll take a few years
Consultant in my company requires something along the lines of at least 10 preferably 15+ years of industry domain experience in a particular field. Lot of work :(
Project Manager = more responsibility and achievable in 3 years here. Maybe 4.
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Sweeeeeet :) lol go with engineer :) more respect :D lol
I couldnt give a toss about job titles. Just show we the money & shirt/tie free enviroment & Im as happy as a pig in mud
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In software a consultant usually means a configurator. And they can be good or sh*te. The ones here are useless. Im paid to train them.
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lol that doesnt say much about you Sam :) lol :D
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Bloody 9-5ers ;) Earliest I ever get off is 8pm, with last night being 1am and tonight 9.30pm!
Alas if you want to move up in the world you gotta pull the hours and show the dedication!
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Alas if you want to move up in the world you gotta pull the hours and show the dedication!
nah, if you pick the right company utter cluelessness, an ability to kiss arse and lick boots will take you much further. Its also called "The CSC Way"
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Bloody 9-5ers ;) Earliest I ever get off is 8pm, with last night being 1am and tonight 9.30pm!
Alas if you want to move up in the world you gotta pull the hours and show the dedication!
lol got home tonight at 10pm. :)
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Alas if you want to move up in the world you gotta pull the hours and show the dedication!
nah, if you pick the right company utter cluelessness, an ability to kiss arse and lick boots will take you much further. Its also called "The CSC Way"
A turkey was chatting with a bull. "I would love to be able to get to the top of that tree," sighed the turkey, but I havent got the energy."
"Well, why dont you nibble on my droppings?" replied the bull. "Theyre packed with nutrients."
The turkey pecked at a lump of dung and found that it gave him enough strength to reach the lowest branch of the tree.
The next day, after eating some more dung, he reached the second branch. Finally after a fourth night, there he was proudly
perched at the top of the tree.
Soon he was spotted by a farmer, who shot the turkey out of the tree.
Moral of the story: bullsh*t might get you to the top, but it wont keep you there.
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I worked long hours in my last job - up to and over 100 per week.
I realised a few months ago that it wasnt getting me any more respect, it just makes the people you work for realise they can ask more of you
Theyre still going to emply people who do less work than you and pay them far more.
Moral of the story - get all the experience you can and then find another job.
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I was doing 10-12hr days in my last job. Ive only had 2 or 3 jobs that Ive really liked, I hate working - its such a waste of time and Im planning on retirement asap. Money pisses me off, even earning 1k a week or whatever isnt enough anymore.
Just need to make shed loads of money first :/
I hate being called analyst, techy is fine, engineer is fine but analyst really gets on my tits.
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I worked from 10am & finished at 2.30pm
longest day of the week :-(
gotta fit my lunch break in there somwhere
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It seems everyone here appears to be in the field of work Im wanting to go in.
Going to ask for some advice here:
Right, so Im 18, I dont know sh*t about building/managing servers or anything to that professional level - But Im good with computers and pick things with them up easily (plus common sense - Its surprising how much a bit of common sense helps with computers it seems!)
Im starting a foundation degree in computing and networking at college in 2 weeks which Im lead to believe is CISCO based. I do 2 years there, then one year at Sunderland Uni to top it up.
What kind of work could I go into after these 3 years? And where is a good place to start/go from there? Any qualifications/courses I should look for after that?
Any tips career-wise, etc. that you lot have learned or mistakes you have made along the way?
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id say screw the uni and get yourself into a place as a trainee, wow them with the skill you already have and work hard long and show that you want to go places.. thats how i got started
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What kind of places could I go to as a trainee?
Its too late to scrap the course now but Ill consider it after the first year when I have some education in the area first. :)
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Its a double edge sword..
A degree would open up a lot of doors to bigger companies, or you could screw off uni all together & do some CCNA, MCSE, Oracle, etc. Qualifications instead & start at the bottom or even go self employed/contracting - which can be lucrative & is great if you dont like staying somwhere for long.
What kind of role do you want? Do you want an office & desk enviroment? or do you want a 3rd line role where you mince around the office until you have work to do & then skive out the office on a job.
Im based from Home, but my work takes me to various goverment buildings & militry installations. If nothings broke, I sit at home waiting for somthing to break. - It might sound good.. but your tied down as you cant really go anyhwhere or do anything & then when you get a call you get pissed off because your watching somthing good on the TV :-D
If your sticking to your uni course, then I would ask a few local places for work - Id even go as far as offering it for Free on a saturday or somthing...
You will learn a lot more & usually get to play with the latest hardware/software at an independent computer store.
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It seems everyone here appears to be in the field of work Im wanting to go in.
Going to ask for some advice here:
Right, so Im 18, I dont know sh*t about building/managing servers or anything to that professional level - But Im good with computers and pick things with them up easily (plus common sense - Its surprising how much a bit of common sense helps with computers it seems!)
Im starting a foundation degree in computing and networking at college in 2 weeks which Im lead to believe is CISCO based. I do 2 years there, then one year at Sunderland Uni to top it up.
What kind of work could I go into after these 3 years? And where is a good place to start/go from there? Any qualifications/courses I should look for after that?
Any tips career-wise, etc. that you lot have learned or mistakes you have made along the way?
Network adminy jobs... Skip uni, do experience and go for certs.
Developer, or research/sciency roles like my one... Go to uni, get on a graduate scheme for IBM or HP or LogicaCMG ;) and get in that way.
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What kind of places could I go to as a trainee?
Its too late to scrap the course now but Ill consider it after the first year when I have some education in the area first. :)
You can scrap it at any time, and if you scrap it before you enrol, then you havent lost any money, as any money you have paid, they refund.
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Its also called "The CSC Way"
Hahaha you guys are sh*t. Most frustrating phonecall I ever had was with some dopey woman of yours who didnt know what a registry was.
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Its also called "The CSC Way"
Hahaha you guys are sh*t. Most frustrating phonecall I ever had was with some dopey woman of yours who didnt know what a registry was.
i left there after my 6 month contract was out. Horrible place to work. They actually give team leaders AD access, but dont teach them how to do anything with it. Their 2nd line have a couple of folks who know what they are doing, but most are internally promoted bootlickers who can read crib sheets. The BAe desk is quite possibly the least clued up helpdesk ive ever had the misfortune to work on. The BAe desk will employ anyone at all, the only rule is that they must be able to read the knowledgebase. I was shouted down because I suggested using the MMC to defrag a laptop, according to the 2nd line team leader we shouldnt use it because we might accedentally attempt to defrag a server. Two distinct problems with that that I pointed out, the logical disk manager doesnt connect to another PC unless you actually force it to, and they hadnt given us permissions on the servers anyway, so we couldnt do it. For pointing this out i was threatened with an official warning. I had in effect pointed out that the people giving out technical advice were slightly less clued up than the average GCSE Student.
At the moment i work for a firm that does 3rd party support for a few large companies. We are effectively 1st, 2nd and 3rd line all rolled into one. Much more interesting to actually fix the problems. Im leaving there next friday to work for Geek Squad, thatll last me about 12 months, and put enough cash in my pocket to actually get the exams I want to do under my belt. CCNA still becons, and it shouldnt take much work for me to polish it off, and im considering studying up for a Linux cert or an MCSE. MCSE will be far easier, but the Linux cert does open a few extra doors.
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Seriously, they should start teaching Common Sense in schools. Clearly an abuse of power if when proven wrong, they give warnings out..
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lol no they shouldnt. School education is already too much a mickey mouse game. "Business studies" "media studies" all bollocks.
Common sense should be exactly that... common sense. If someone doesnt have it however they should be removed from society. :D
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Seriously, they should start teaching Common Sense in schools. Clearly an abuse of power if when proven wrong, they give warnings out..
Unfortunately it happens far too often, usually its done by those who should know better.
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lol no they shouldnt. School education is already too much a mickey mouse game. "Business studies" "media studies" all bollocks.
Common sense should be exactly that... common sense. If someone doesnt have it however they should be removed from society. :D
Well unfortunately, not enough people in society today have common sense!
I think the greatest common sense exam Ive seen is the Driving Theory Exam. About 70 percent common sense, 30 percent factual knowledge (stopping distances, etc.)
If passing a horse, do you fly past as quickly as possible, drive past beeping your horn or travel past slowly and cautiously leaving plenty of room.
:roll:
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Seriously, they should start teaching Common Sense in schools. Clearly an abuse of power if when proven wrong, they give warnings out..
ahh, but you have to understand the company ethos to understand the reaction. They think that anyone that isnt trained internally doesnt kow what they are doing. Nevermind the fact that some people teach themselves stuff, or that others are MCSE & CCNA holders. They havent done the company training course, therefore they are stupid and cant be trusted to do things.
for example, the 2 team leaders that run the 1st line teams at present arent from computing backgrounds, one is about 20 and is quite pleasant to look at, but doesnt know much about computers, the other has a degree in history (I think it ancient history, but im not 100% sure). Meanwhile there are people working there that have forgotten more than the management know about computers. It would be amusing if it wasnt so infuriating.
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Seriously, they should start teaching Common Sense in schools. Clearly an abuse of power if when proven wrong, they give warnings out..
ahh, but you have to understand the company ethos to understand the reaction. They think that anyone that isnt trained internally doesnt kow what they are doing. Nevermind the fact that some people teach themselves stuff, or that others are MCSE & CCNA holders. They havent done the company training course, therefore they are stupid and cant be trusted to do things.
for example, the 2 team leaders that run the 1st line teams at present arent from computing backgrounds, one is about 20 and is quite pleasant to look at, but doesnt know much about computers, the other has a degree in history (I think it ancient history, but im not 100% sure). Meanwhile there are people working there that have forgotten more than the management know about computers. It would be amusing if it wasnt so infuriating.
The issue isnt them, its the idiots who put them in positions that they are totally unqualified to perform. If there is a problem you usually need to look higher up the tree to find the source. Often its incompetence, laziness or empire building by idiots.
Once a stupid person has taken root in a company they will try to promote other stupid people in positions of control too, so they personally look better. The best people end up being penalised for performing well and are stuck in the same position - unless they resign and go elsewhere. The thing is that unless the problem is removed surgically from the company it ends in a downward spiral as more idiots get higher positions. Almost inevitably it ends up with a cap on expected performance, the best people they have leave for other companies that respect them and eventually it grinds to a halt in bankruptcy.