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on: August 03, 2011, 09:08:25 AM
Has anyone done anything with neutral density stuff? I started to think about it last night as it seems a lot of good landscape shots use ND grads to get the sky and land exposed right, something I've always struggled with...

Re: ND
Reply #1 on: August 03, 2011, 11:48:33 AM
I've got a set of HiTech filters from www.teamworkphoto.com for about £30 a couple of years ago along with a cokin p wideangle adaptor and a 77mm ring for my Sigma 10-20 and i've hardly used them tbh but I haven't really done much landscape stuff recently.  I am going on holiday to Jersey in Sept so might try and use them a bit then.  I did get the soft edge set and maybe would have been better with a hard edge set.

Went for the Hitech ones as I couldn't afford Lee and the cokin ones apparently had quite an obvious colour cast on them and the HiTech ones were about the same price.

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Reply #2 on: August 03, 2011, 19:03:22 PM
I've got one of the Cokin Ps with ND Grad as well, as a present, I've used it a few times but it's a bit of a hassle, I also think the grad I have isn't dark enough..

If it is just the grad element you are after, Adobe lightroom can create exposure grads, which essentially does the same thing without the hassle..

I like ND solids as well you can get some awesome long exposure shots from them, although good ones can get expensive! otherwise you end up with a colour tint on very long exposures..

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Reply #3 on: August 04, 2011, 08:41:22 AM
They are a bit of a hassle, especially without a tripod but probably worth it if you can use them right.  And for £30-40 they're worth a punt.

I've got a piece of welding glass as well, not quite neutral density though everything turns a lovely shade of green!

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Re: ND
Reply #4 on: August 04, 2011, 09:30:30 AM
How does the lightroom gradient work? Do you over/under expose and image and then get lightroom to adjust part of it to normal levels?

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Reply #5 on: August 04, 2011, 19:02:43 PM
How does the lightroom gradient work? Do you over/under expose and image and then get lightroom to adjust part of it to normal levels?

Either really, you basically drop and adjust the grad (you can set how much is grad and how much is 100%, rotate etc..) You can then select positive or negative exposure.

Obviously for this purpose you'd actually be better under exposing (I believe that will keep more detail?) and then using the grad in reverse to over expose the rest. Obviously if you are working in RAW you will get better results...

If you've not tried lightroom, really give it a go, it's really easy to manage your photo library (import, ratings & folders)
- edit your photos (it's designed for photography so everything is laid out with that in mind, you can create virtual copies, make changes in photoshop from lightroom, export selections of photos and create your own custom presets)
- Show off your photos (in built slideshow, lights out mode and support for second monitor output to display final version while editing on the other screen)

I'm sure that there is a demo out there or something?

Here's a link to a video about LR grads (not viewed it yet)
http://www.profiphotos.com/blog/en/2008/09/video-advanced-graduated-filter-in-lightroom-2/

Edit: having just watched it, I would suggest mute the video, unless you like 90s website nostalgia and midi music! But the video gives you the idea, although the brush is used briefly it doesn't show how good it is (think a filter that you can paint to any portion of the image, say you wanted a car in colour, but the rest of the image in B&W)

You can adjust other things, not just exposure BTW!
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Re: ND
Reply #6 on: August 04, 2011, 20:50:16 PM
one thing to remember (which is obvious when you think about it) is you rarely want the gradient to go right across the middle of the frame, so the most useful type of ND grad is a Cokin style one which is significantly larger than your  front element to give you flexibility. Screw on ND grads are of limited usefulness.

I have a plain ND x4 which is useful for things like slow shutter effects during the day.

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Reply #7 on: August 04, 2011, 21:20:14 PM
Screw on ND grads are of limited usefulness.

I've got one, bought it before I really knew what I was doing with ND grads (still don't really either!) and they're fairly useless so I'd stay well clear of them, mine hasn't been used in about 4 years.

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Reply #8 on: August 04, 2011, 22:11:53 PM
I've tried lightroom briefly, found it one of the most bloated programs I've ever used. I much prefer the layout of Adobe Bridge. I use that for viewing my images, opening the ones I want into Camera Raw, and then doing final touches in Photoshop. I'm sure there's a lot more power in lightroom in terms of organising files, but I think it'll take more time to learn that it'll save.

Good to know about the screw in filters being crap.

Maybe it's worth starting a Photoshop/lightroom thread with tips and tricks for photography purposes? I literally just last week decided to take the plunge and made use of my academic status to get the teachers and students version of Photoshop CS5 extended.

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