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Re: Commission
Reply #45 on: June 03, 2013, 00:33:05 AM
well... and least you've got nothing to lose now ;) ;) ;)

Re: Commission
Reply #46 on: June 03, 2013, 16:17:44 PM
keep an eye out to see if they re-advertise your post or even change the name slightly. Then have fun & games with tribunals.

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Re: Commission
Reply #47 on: June 03, 2013, 17:30:09 PM
How long do they have to wait before they can re advertise? I suspect they're going to make the role term time only, or severely alter it to stretch the duties further. Either way they probably expect me to come running when they make a new post available, but I've decided I need to break away from the university so that likely won't happen,  I just hope they sort something out for my remaining colleagues, as they're way overworked, now only 2 staff covering what should be about an 8 person team.

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Reply #48 on: June 03, 2013, 20:58:49 PM
Well at least its only a month that your missing out on and not longer but I imagine its annoying never the less.  These sort of things sometimes might not seem like much at the time but can count against you.  Hoepfully you'll move onto something better, well after a little while off just as the sun comes out, nice for some   :D

Re: Commission
Reply #49 on: June 03, 2013, 21:16:38 PM
they can readvertise instantly. they've ended your contract, not made you redundant. so theres no rules wrt to readvertising or reemploying.

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Re: Commission
Reply #50 on: June 03, 2013, 21:28:58 PM
Notification of end of contract though states "the position is no longer required and is as such redundant",  in those words. Isn't that essentially making me redundant, in the sense they're not renewing because the position isn't needed, and that they would renew it if they did need it?

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Re: Commission
Reply #51 on: June 03, 2013, 22:43:32 PM
its till only a contract. you're not being made redundant so its not under the same employment laws.

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Reply #52 on: June 03, 2013, 23:05:26 PM
Fair enough. Still going to fight for them to keep the position, not for me, but for the poor students that are going to end up being told that there will be no science practicals for a few weeks as the one technician left is off work on stress. I fully intend on travelling and then working elsewhere.

Re: Commission
Reply #53 on: June 04, 2013, 07:57:47 AM
its till only a contract. you're not being made redundant so its not under the same employment laws.
Wrong. Lots of contracting loopholes got closed. Goverment want contracts to be classed as employees when possible.
There has been cases where Employee X has been cleaning offices of company 123 for on behalf of company ABC. Company ABC lost the contract, Employee X lost her job.
Employee X won a tribunal case against company 123 despite not even working for them, but as an assimilated employee!!!

If its a fixed term contract, you still have employee rights. If Spyder has been there for 2 years in the same role, then they have to show the post is redundant. If they re-advertise it, then Spyder has the employment law on his side.

quick outline here
https://www.gov.uk/fixed-term-contracts/renewing-or-ending-a-fixedterm-contract

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Reply #54 on: June 04, 2013, 09:02:41 AM
Don't know if this should be a new thread tbh:

Here's a summary of me and my employment here. I suspect all the way along the university has been quite sneaky and squeezing as much out of me as they can:

Student 2004-2008
2008-2012 Employed on PTHP (Part Time Hourly Paid) contracts spanning from 2 months to 9 months at a time, usually with less than a few weeks gap between them. Though they are “part time” I in essence worked a normal 37.5 hour week. The only difference in how things are handled is that there is a pot of money, and you fill in a daily time sheet. As opposed to getting a salary.

2012-present fixed term (as opposed to PTHP) salary job.
This year I had the fiasco with the photography, but also more recently, I’ve had declined a request for PPE (personal protective equipment) – not legal, as well as in the same week I get the letter saying the post isn’t being renewed, there was a bit of a fuss kicked up regarding the universities finances.
The short story is that the PhD students were left out of the loop. This resulted in a lot of gossiping. You could see it spiralling out of control, and it was only a matter of time before those PhD students talked to their external funders, which would have been very, very serious. As such I passed on some of the PhD students comments from a closed facebook group (taking out names) to a school staff rep. The students were promptly then brought up to date, situation diffused.
However, in the process, this rep went and saw my line manager, deputy dean (responsible for not paying for photos) and explained the situation. Later that day the rep came and told me to be wary as she wasn’t sure if she made clear to the dep-dean that the facebook comments were just passed on by me, as opposed to my own comments/me stirring the pot.
The following day the dep-dean sent a rather patronising email to the PhD students. This prompted one of the students to reply in what can only be described as “an epic burn”…copying in the dean and all PhD supervisors.
Two days later I get the letter about the post being closed.

I’m fairly sure that despite having been an employee here for 5 years, and the total gaps between my short-contracts probably being less than the equivalent paid annual leave a permanent member of staff would get, the way the school has managed these contracts means that whereas a fixed term contract running for 4 years = entitlement to a permanent position, I have no such rights.
I’m tempted to call ACAS to find out what my rights are, I suspect none, and ultimately I’ve already decided I do not want to work here any longer so there’s not much point fighting it, other than fighting for the benefit of my colleagues/team/friends.

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Re: Commission
Reply #55 on: June 05, 2013, 19:03:58 PM
So, had the meeting today. I am being made redundant. I was surprised that I've been given redundancy pay for 4 years continuous service, equates to about a little over a months pay. If I sign a non compromise waiver this gets doubled.

Pretty gutted for the state the school will be in come term time. Apparently all the academics have been going and voicing their support/concern about the loss of the position.

Kind of makes me glad to get out, also means that I now have the money I would have wanted to earn over summer, up front :)

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Re: Commission
Reply #56 on: June 07, 2013, 09:51:54 AM
a better outcome than ccould have otherwise been expected. good work.

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Reply #57 on: June 07, 2013, 13:25:16 PM
Just waiting now, apparently they aren't able to confirm the proposal until next Wednesday.

I have a sneaking suspicion there's been so much uproar over the decision they might decide to renew the post.

Re: Commission
Reply #58 on: June 07, 2013, 21:33:57 PM
4 weeks and a bit pay is standard stuff. 1 week per year served think my terms are the same.

So you're not a contractor, I.e. self employed. You're just talking about a fixed term employment contract.

Non-compete? Or non-compromise?

I'd take the redundancy and then wait until they re-advertise and apply again. :/

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Reply #59 on: June 07, 2013, 22:15:33 PM
Non-compromise.

Will not be able to work at the Uni for 4 weeks. Which is fine, as i'll get 8 weeks pay.

However I won't know till next Weds or later if they are going ahead with the redundancy. So there's a chance enough fuss has been kicked up that they decide to keep the post after all.

Which is a shame as I'd already decided to buy the MP-E 65mm lens with the money...!

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