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Chat => Photography => Topic started by: brummie on May 18, 2006, 20:23:49 PM
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What would you get?
Olympus E-500 or the Canon 350D
Please state why.
Was reading this http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympuse500/page19.asp
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Ill take Olympus over Canon any day. Im generalizing, but I find them nicer in hand and with better controls. Canons have felt awkward to me from the first day the first film EOSs came out.
Nothing wrong with the Canon though, just personal preference.
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Got a 350D, wouldnt want anything less than an EOS from now-on, to be honest.
They are proper - you click the button and theres no lag, it just takes a picture. The battery lasts.. well, I dunno.. never flattened it yet while out taking pictures. And Ive been away ~4/5 days without the charger, using the camera (with an IS lens) extensively.
Battery charge wise, its got loads left after I fill the 1GB card (~300 pics) so I think your going to see more than 400/500 out of a battery. Need more? get the battery grip and have 2 batteries.
Then theres the list of lenses fit to it... thats, err.. every lens canon have made since they went EF (> 20yrs ago) Its also compatible with the new EF-S lenses, so thats good, as its not going to be out of date. the camera will fail or youll want to upgrade anyway before canon stop supporting it.)
That and the fact the canon has a sockin great big CMOS sensor, so you can effectively use ISO 400 without worry, and ISO 800 aint bad either. if your desperate, you can use the highest setting: 1600, although do expect noise there.
That and you have to wait nearly 2 seconds for the Olympus to boot up - lame, you might miss a picture there. The 350D rocks, Id lost some shots if I had to wait for it to boot - instant-on, it really is. I cant beat it.. ive tried turning it on and pressing the shutter button as soon as I can and it takes the pic.. Ive not managed to catch it out!
ignore the nearly 3FPS for 27 images. some sites say 14.. I have found it takes pictures in its nearly 3FPS for as long as I hold the shutter. Ive an 80x Lexar CF card in there.
Any other questions you may have, ill be happy to answer about the 350D - cant rate it highly enough really.
Had an olmypus before it, easier menus perhaps... but the 350D is built in a way that you barely need to ever look at one, and you cant get easier than that ;)
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Olympus e500 from whats been said over on s5000.net
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EOS 350D, as i was well impressed with the one i saw
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EOS 350D, as i was well impressed with the one i saw
Im really tempted by both TBH its very 50/50 im pulling my hair out trying to pick.
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Canon 350D.
Why didnt you make it a poll?
Practically every review it goes into it wins anyway.
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E500 = more bang for your buck.
2 Lenses including a decent zoom plus the body from curries for £549, or the closest decent EOS350 deal is 1 USM lens (you need it Ive seen a non-usm lens... its slow as hell), and a body for £600+
Oly kit lenses are the best according to julio at s5000.net
And the fact that as a new photographer your new toy will involve you buying lots of gubbins for your camera. The ultrasonic dust thing that the OLY has apparantly really helps while the eos350 has nothing like that.
Id go E-500 or 20d. the 350 is the ipod of the camera world. Sure its a good mp3 player, but its over priced for what it does. :)
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Canon 350D.
Why didnt you make it a poll?
cause people would vote and not leave their reason, which is what i needed most :)
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E500 = more bang for your buck.
2 Lenses including a decent zoom plus the body from curries for £549, or the closest decent EOS350 deal is 1 USM lens (you need it Ive seen a non-usm lens... its slow as hell), and a body for £600+
Oly kit lenses are the best according to julio at s5000.net
And the fact that as a new photographer your new toy will involve you buying lots of gubbins for your camera. The ultrasonic dust thing that the OLY has apparantly really helps while the eos350 has nothing like that.
Id go E-500 or 20d. the 350 is the ipod of the camera world. Sure its a good mp3 player, but its over priced for what it does. :)
My main reasons for wanting the E-500 :D
Really think monetary value is going to win here. Shame i cant have both cause they are both really good cameras from the reviews :(
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E500 = more bang for your buck.
2 Lenses including a decent zoom plus the body from curries for £549, or the closest decent EOS350 deal is 1 USM lens (you need it Ive seen a non-usm lens... its slow as hell), and a body for £600+
Oly kit lenses are the best according to julio at s5000.net
And the fact that as a new photographer your new toy will involve you buying lots of gubbins for your camera. The ultrasonic dust thing that the OLY has apparantly really helps while the eos350 has nothing like that.
Id go E-500 or 20d. the 350 is the ipod of the camera world. Sure its a good mp3 player, but its over priced for what it does. :)
My main reasons for wanting the E-500 :D
Really think monetary value is going to win here. Shame i cant have both cause they are both really good cameras from the reviews :(
lol my main reason would be because of the 2 lenses it comes with.
My mate bought a 350d spent the £600+ from jessops.
Hes now spent I would guess about £250 on lenses and filters and other gubbins for it.
He still cant match my zoom on my fuji yet.
He has a 38 - 55mm zoom, and a 90 - 200mm zoom.
but with the 55mm on he doesnt have enough reach, with the 90mm he cant get enough wideangle on it.
Hes going to have to buy at least one more lens to cover the range inbetween the 55 and the 90... and then he wants more zoom than 200 I think. He also wants the fixed 50mm lens for it.
That little bunch of 3 lenses is likely to cost him £400-£500 in total.
The two lenses the olympus comes with is definately a major benefit. Id go for it if I had the dosh.
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My mate bought a 350d spent the £600+ from jessops.
Hes now spent I would guess about £250 on lenses and filters and other gubbins for it.
He still cant match my zoom on my fuji yet.
He has a 38 - 55mm zoom, and a 90 - 200mm zoom.
but with the 55mm on he doesnt have enough reach, with the 90mm he cant get enough wideangle on it.
Same can be said of my Panasonic DMC-FZ20 and even more so of the -FZ30, where it does have an advantage though is low light and limited light action photography.
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My mate bought a 350d spent the £600+ from jessops.
Hes now spent I would guess about £250 on lenses and filters and other gubbins for it.
He still cant match my zoom on my fuji yet.
He has a 38 - 55mm zoom, and a 90 - 200mm zoom.
but with the 55mm on he doesnt have enough reach, with the 90mm he cant get enough wideangle on it.
Same can be said of my Panasonic DMC-FZ20 and even more so of the -FZ30, where it does have an advantage though is low light and limited light action photography.
Er... are the FZ-20 or FZ-30 dSLRs?? Thought they were "prosumer" cameras just like your current one.
An E500 is a dSLR. It has all the bells and whistles of the canon, plus the ultrasonic dust thing, and its cheaper, comes with more fittings.
My point I was making with the zoom comparison is that Brummie owns a S5600... hes used to 10x zoom (300 and something mm), when he has a dSLR the first thing hell end up buying for a canon is another zoom lens so it gives him more reach.
The Oly comes with one, it also comes with a lower zoom lens, and they both compliment each other, so he wont be stuck with dead ground in between the two lenses where hed need to buy another lens.
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My suggestion (I think its quite a good one!)
Go into a shop.. ask to have a go with both. take your memory card or 2, and take the results home and have a look on your monitor / print some.
bingo!
Where I bought my 70-200 F2.8 lens, they let me print some too on this very cool instant thing that ya stick your card in.
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I dont like either, Pentax are far superior imo, but these are the pros and cons as I see them.
The Oly is likely to be easier to use and while the Oly Zuiko lenses are nothing to shout about, it uses the same mount as the Panasonic Lumix interchangable lens version. The higher end Canon glass is pretty good but its no match for Leica. Also the Panasonic/Leica lenses will have MOIS which will work with Oly bodys.
The Canon has a wider array of lenses available for it, though it is second bottom of the list in terms of lens backwards compatibility, the only one it beats is the Oly. The Canon has a larger sensor, giving better low light performance in terms of noise. If you like wide angle, the Canon has a lower crop factor so wide angle lenses are cheaper.
If I had to go with one of those two, much as it pains me to say it because I dont like them, Id take the Canon. Mainly because of its low light performance and larger array of available lenses.
As I say though, I rate my *ist DL2 over either camera, no question. The Pentax AF system is more precise (if a little slower), I have ISO 3200 and access to more than 30 years worth of Pentax SMC glassware. Oh and Ive yet to see a non-Pentax DSLR with a proper viewfinder.
PS I agree with snellgrove on trying out both cameras
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Er... are the FZ-20 or FZ-30 dSLRs?? Thought they were "prosumer" cameras just like your current one.
The FZ-20, "prosumer" as you put it, is my current one and in quite some areas outperforms a DSLR, as does yours. I was just backing you up.
An E500 is a dSLR. It has all the bells and whistles of the canon, plus the ultrasonic dust thing, and its cheaper, comes with more fittings.
There is also personal preference and quality to deal with. Dust is a right pain if it gets on the sensor a DSLR though. So far the only reccommendation is to change the lens holding it lens down, this does seem to work.
My point I was making with the zoom comparison is that Brummie owns a S5600... hes used to 10x zoom (300 and something mm), when he has a dSLR the first thing hell end up buying for a canon is another zoom lens so it gives him more reach.
The only real advantages are as I said, low light and combined with action. I had the same choice when I got the FZ-20 and decided to save the money. So far I havent been disappointed as in order to match it I would have to have spent several grand on lenses. There is a review of the FZ-30 being put up against a Canon eos-20D with this sort of lens assortment and there really wasnt much advantage for the Canon dispite the extra cost.
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/panasonic_lumix_dmc-fz30_canon_eos-20d_camera_shootout/
The Oly comes with one, it also comes with a lower zoom lens, and they both compliment each other, so he wont be stuck with dead ground in between the two lenses where hed need to buy another lens.
Peronally I wouldnt consider the 38-55 canon zoom, I would go for a 28-105 to go with the 90-200. This would provide an overlap with the shorter lens providing portrait use. An alternative make 80-300 zoom coupled with a 2x teleconverter should give acceptable performance up to 600mm
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I agree with the other points.
But just to clarify:
Peronally I wouldnt consider the 38-55 canon zoom
Aye... but you dont have a choice its the lens the canon comes with. :) not sure if it is a 55... but I know there is a distinct gap between my mates two lenses :(
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I agree with the other points.
But just to clarify:
Peronally I wouldnt consider the 38-55 canon zoom
Aye... but you dont have a choice its the lens the canon comes with. :) not sure if it is a 55... but I know there is a distinct gap between my mates two lenses :(
if you go into a decent camera shop you should at least be able to buy it body only, if not bundled with some decent glassware. The 18-55 which comes with the Canon is not very good. A friend of my Dads has a 350D which he got with a twin lens Tamron kit which apparently (I havnt seen it) knocks spots off the standard Canon glass. That of course isnt too hard, if you look on Steves digicams the comparison shots clearly show both the Nikon and Pentax 18-55 zooms as far superior to the Canon. Frankly my Lumix FX-7 compact has better glass than comes with the 350D.
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There used to be a couple of companies that did special deals with the camera body and a couple of non-standard lenses like that, it ended up slightly cheaper than getting the standard lens as well as the other two. I have no idea if they are still going :/.
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See things like that put me off.
Im in no rush TBH. Think the prices of both might come down a bit more?
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might drop a bit after the summer "I need a new camera for my holiday" rush I suppose. Dont know that much about the Oly, but the Canon has been out for a while so I doubt it will drop much further, unless as a response to one of the other big names dropping their prices.
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might drop a bit after the summer "I need a new camera for my holiday" rush I suppose. Dont know that much about the Oly, but the Canon has been out for a while so I doubt it will drop much further, unless as a response to one of the other big names dropping their prices.
damn :(
can yous with the 350d send us a well lit daylight and an indoors shot?
Mail it us or somat? Raw would be better but jpeg if you have to.
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The oly will probably drop with the new 330 thats been released with LCD Live preview :) (Yay!!! no need to constantly look through the viewfinder to compose a shot! :D)
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The oly will probably drop with the new 330 thats been released with LCD Live preview :) (Yay!!! no need to constantly look through the viewfinder to compose a shot! :D)
Dont use that feaure on my 5600 very often and would probably only miss it very occiasionally. Still i will have my 5600 if i need that feature :D
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Liveview, or, oh dear weve just realised our viewfinder is the worst in the industry and our 2x crop factor means theres nothing we can do about it
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Something like this sigma lens package might be better, remember that a 35mm film frame is still 1.6 times the chip on the 350D IIRC so the actual magnification will be larger giving 28-80mm on the 18-50mm. The lenses are certainly cheaper than genuine Canon ones although they may not be as perfect I doubt if the average user would note the difference.
http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/128670/art/canon/eos-eos-350d-18-50mm-f3-5.html
OTOH if you dont mind refurbished stock and going through e-bay then have a look at the Canon outlet there ;)
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Liveview, or, oh dear weve just realised our viewfinder is the worst in the industry and our 2x crop factor means theres nothing we can do about it
I use the screen 9 times out of 10 on my Panasonic simply because the synthetic viewfinder isnt up to much, then again most superzooms have the same problem. What it does gain you is the ability to use your camera when its held above your head or close to the ground without having to lie down or get a pair of stilts/ladder.
I will use the viewfinder but only if there is a reflection problem caused by strong sunlight.
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Liveview, or, oh dear weve just realised our viewfinder is the worst in the industry and our 2x crop factor means theres nothing we can do about it
I use the screen 9 times out of 10 on my Panasonic simply because the synthetic viewfinder isnt up to much, then again most superzooms have the same problem. What it does gain you is the ability to use your camera when its held above your head or close to the ground without having to lie down or get a pair of stilts/ladder.
I will use the viewfinder but only if there is a reflection problem caused by strong sunlight.
Indeed, my point was that on a full on SLR I would expect the viewfinder to beat the pants off anything an EVF or LCD can manage. The only DSLR I have looked through which comes close to what I expect is the Pentax *ist and frankly even my DL2s viewfinder is small compared to my ME-F. The DL2 is at least bright, the Nikon D50 has a truely pathetic finder, but when you start to look at a system with a 2x crop factor there is no way you can build a decent size viewfinder without hitting something in the region of 1.5x magnification, which is going to make that finder very very dark. Whichever way you slice it, the Canon has to have a better viewfinder than the Oly, and Oly can only compete by adding the ability to use the screen as a viewfinder. This is no real substitute because of the inevitable time lag involved. If you want true SLR performance, you have to have a true through the lens SLR viewfinder. That is after all the defining feature of an SLR right?
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Ive been looking at DSLR a bit latly as im very tempted to up grade the FZ30 I got in dec, for me, of those two, the Cannon is the one I would go for due to following
sensor size:
Cannons 22 mm x 15 mm Vs Olys 18 x 13.5 mm
the 4/3 spec meens the sensor will stay small where the canneons an go to the full 35mm frame admitedly only EF lenses though,
Crop facter:
Cannon 1.6x vs Olys 2x
Its easy to get highter telephoto but your wide angle is expensive with out fisheyeing
Start up time: (to me one of the most inportant)
Due to the sonic sensor cleaning the oly lumers at start up ,at about 3 secs , meens you have to leave it on to be ready when you want it . but the 350 is ready in about 0.25 sec
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Just read a head to head review of the E-330 against 350D in diital Camera Buyer and they came down ever so slightly in favour of the Olympus but also saying the Canon gives better VFM. Also dont forget that Panasonic should be bringing their version of the Olympus out later this year
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0602/06022609panasonicdmcl1.asp
http://www.panasonic.co.uk/news/pukweb04-dyn-news-onthemove-l1-development.html
Start up time: (to me one of the most inportant)
Due to the sonic sensor cleaning the oly lumers at start up ,at about 3 secs , meens you have to leave it on to be ready when you want it . but the 350 is ready in about 0.25 sec
1.7 seconds for the olympus according to DCB. While you might not think it dust on the image sensor which can be expensive to remove.
My choice would probably still go with the Canon though for night work
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Ive been looking at DSLR a bit latly as im very tempted to up grade the FZ30 I got in dec,
Canon is going to cover all the bases with its own superzoom on the principle of if you cant beat em, join em :lol: Spec may look remarkably similar to the Lumix range...
clicky (http://www.canon.co.uk/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/Digital/PowerShot_S3_IS/index.asp?ComponentID=344365&SourcePageID=231640#1)
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What do you lot think of the fuji s3pro? looking at it it seems like the perfect cam TBH :o
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What do you lot think of the fuji s3pro? looking at it it seems like the perfect cam TBH :o
Dont believe the 12 megapixel claim though, effectively its only 6 as they use 2 photodiodes per pixel location. TBH it looses out in reviews to the Canon
Review that goes into the pixels in some detail...
http://www.bythom.com/fujis3review.htm