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Chat => Photography => Topic started by: Binary Shadow on October 04, 2010, 21:34:11 PM
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Right I need some options
I have:
Canon EF 28-135mm IS F3.5-5.6 (~£200)
Sigma 70-200mm F2.8
Sigma 1.4x Tele Converter (~£120)
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£1000
Im almost certainly going to sell the 1.4x converter. I might sell the canon lens if i can get some better options.
I want to get some decent zoom (up to 500mm ideally).
I also fancy a wide angle but want to have the whole range covered.
Suggestions please.
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This is what I am buying next.
http://www.amazon.com/Tamron-10-24mm-3-5-4-5-Aspherical-Digital/dp/B001G7PIBC/ref=sr_1_2?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1286225089&sr=1-2
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Sigma 50-500mm nicknamed the bigma
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This is what I am buying next.
http://www.amazon.com/Tamron-10-24mm-3-5-4-5-Aspherical-Digital/dp/B001G7PIBC/ref=sr_1_2?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1286225089&sr=1-2
got a matey who loves that lense.. hes an architect, so mostly takes shots at buildings
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I dont think i want the bigma lol if have to lug around a very heavy massive lens to do mid range work and that would be less than ideal
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Will be getting IS OS or VC on whatever i get as well
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Ok so i mocked this up
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4113/5051998109_96ac6f3327_b.jpg)
Which tamron is better value? Is there something else i should consider?
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If you dont get the 10-24 you dont have a wide angle at all. The 17 is not wide angle.
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ditch the 28-135
get a 17-50 - tis pretty much perfect for a crop sensor
you can leave the really wide one and really long one for later
edit - if youre really into buildings then perhaps do get the wide angle zoom, if youre really into birds then perhaps the really long one but otherwise get a decent walkabout lens
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is the 17-50 a decent walk about lens? would the current canon 28-135 not be better for that?
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that depends what you like to photograph and where youre walking about.
I keep my 80-320 on the camera most of the time and switch to a 16-45 if I need wide angle, so I guess you could call my 80-320 my "walkabout" lens.
Recieved wisdom is that a "standard" short zoom on a crop sensor DSLR is approximately 18-55 (hence thats what 90% of the kit lenses are), since this gives the angle of view of a 28-80 on full frame, ie moderate wide angle to short telephoto.
I favour my 16-45 because 1) its a better lens IQ wise than Pentaxs MK1 18-55 (which was the kit lens with my K10D), and 2) the extra 2mm at the wide end makes a big difference to what you can squeeze in and the perspective effects you can achieve. On the occasions when I need to plug the gap between 45 and 80, I have a 50mm f/1.4 prime permanently in my bag, but generally that isnt a problem to me.
My Dad on the other hand doesnt like wide angle so his standard zoom of choice is a Sigma 24-60 f/2.8. This gives him a little overlap between his standard lens and the 50-300 he uses for long telephoto work and the constant f/2.8 comes in handy in dim lighting.
I also know a guy who uses a 12-24, 24-90, 70-300 three lens kit, although most people I know whove tried this setup say it results in a lot of lens switching between the 12-24 and 24-90.
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I used to only have the canon kit 18-55 lens was used to that range so the 17-50 would probably be fine
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the Tammy 17-50 should be a very fine standard zoom, the 28-75 it replaced had a near cult following.
Ive heard of occasional front/back focussing issues with this lens in Pentax mount, I dont know if that translates to the other mounts but its worth watching out for.
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Think i could get all 3:
Tamron AF 10-24mm f/3.5-4.5 SP Di II LD (IF) Lens for Canon
Tamron SP AF 17-50mm F/2.8 XR Di-II VC LD Aspherical (IF) Canon Mount
Sigma 150-500mm f5-6.3 APO DG OS HSM for Canon Digital and Film SLR Cameras
£1227 all in from.. well.. they are probably dodgy imports but through a UK seller so cant be that big an issue?
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Think i could get all 3:
Tamron AF 10-24mm f/3.5-4.5 SP Di II LD (IF) Lens for Canon
Tamron SP AF 17-50mm F/2.8 XR Di-II VC LD Aspherical (IF) Canon Mount
I have both those lenses, in fact just got back from Prague with hand luggage only and they were the only two lenses I took with me!
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my concern with grey imports is always warrenty. In the above mentioned front/back focusing issue the normal thing to do would be to just send the lens back to Tamron for recalibration/replacement. You might struggle to do that with a grey import if youre unlucky enough to get a lemon.
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Think i could get all 3:
Tamron AF 10-24mm f/3.5-4.5 SP Di II LD (IF) Lens for Canon
Tamron SP AF 17-50mm F/2.8 XR Di-II VC LD Aspherical (IF) Canon Mount
Sigma 150-500mm f5-6.3 APO DG OS HSM for Canon Digital and Film SLR Cameras
£1227 all in from.. well.. they are probably dodgy imports but through a UK seller so cant be that big an issue?
You can order them through the states if you want, Ill get them shipped to my house. Youll probably save 200 quid.
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The site/seller is offering 1 years warranty on the goods
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thats fine, and in all probability everything will be absolutely fine, all Im saying is that if you walk into J. Smith and Sons Olde Time Legit Camera Shope and buy a Tamron lens, and then old Mr Smith has a heart attack and the company folds, you can still access warranty service by going direct to Tamron.
Is the saving worth the risk? it may well be, but thats the question you need to answer for yourself.
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thats fine, and in all probability everything will be absolutely fine, all Im saying is that if you walk into J. Smith and Sons Olde Time Legit Camera Shope and buy a Tamron lens, and then old Mr Smith has a heart attack and the company folds, you can still access warranty service by going direct to Tamron.
Is the saving worth the risk? it may well be, but thats the question you need to answer for yourself.
I bought my camera from Hong Kong via ebay, it came with a warranty card you register online, it seemed more of an insurance policy than a warranty. 3 year warranty that expired in July.
It was all done through http://www.mackcam.com/ - so pretty kosher.
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In the above mentioned front/back focusing issue.
Would this issue not be obvious from day one? if its DOA its far easier to sort than months down the line.
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Looks like mixed feelings on this http://www.flickr.com/groups/37412600@N00/discuss/72157622781287221/
TBH i doubt ill notice and if theres an issue i can nudge it in manual and try again.
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In the above mentioned front/back focusing issue.
Would this issue not be obvious from day one? if its DOA its far easier to sort than months down the line.
yes, some of the lenses (very small percentage) are badly calibrated and the focusing is inaccurate, but if you get one of these itll be pretty clear if you do some test shots because itll always focus either just in front or just behind the subject.
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yeah just read some googlage, most people moaning about it were actually just using poor technique.
my body allows for AF adjustment as well so worst comes to the worst i can dial it out
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it does seem to be one of those problems where a very few lenses actually have the issue, and then every fool who thinks a new lens will transform him into David Bailey assumes that his lens MUST be faulty when in reality the problem is behind camera, not attached to the front of it.
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Anyone here used: http://panamoz.com ?
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F it!
I have ordered all 3... fingers crossed they make it here ok and are fine.
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*sigh* Ok only the sigma as it turns out the Tamron lenses are out of stock.
Ill have to find them elsewhere, any suggestions?
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http://www.srsmicrosystems.co.uk/497/Tamron-SP-17-50mm-F2-8-XR-Di-II-LD-Aspherical--IF----Canon-Fit.html
£20 more but full Tamron UK 5 year warrenty plus SRS are a dream come true to deal with.
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That one at SRS doesnt have VC
nice, seen the 10-24 cheap anywhere? srs are a fair bit more expensive than the £289 i was looking at
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ahh youre right, my bad, hadnt realised there were two versions (not used to having to look for image stabilisers on the lens!)
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Well iv ordered the other 2 from various places, slightly more ££ but not massively.
Really looking forward to getting them and seeing what they are like.
Fingers crossed they will be ok.
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ditch the 28-135
get a 17-50 - tis pretty much perfect for a crop sensor
And you have actually used the 28-135? TBVH this is one of the best Canon lenses going. Fits in very well with the 10-24mm Tamron and a 75-300mm.
Using the 150-500mm Sigma theres a slight gap but still a very useable setup.
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ooo 50x optical zoom in 3 lenses, I bet thats a sweet setup even if the Bigma is a little on the heavy side
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Fedex tracking the sigma, still in Hong Kong at the moment..
Not sure what the other 2 are up to, will have to just wait and see i think.
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^ Most stuff Ive ordered from China arrives faster than if Id ordered from the UK! :disappointed: 8-)
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ditch the 28-135
get a 17-50 - tis pretty much perfect for a crop sensor
And you have actually used the 28-135? TBVH this is one of the best Canon lenses going. Fits in very well with the 10-24mm Tamron and a 75-300mm.
Using the 150-500mm Sigma theres a slight gap but still a very useable setup.
Nope - have you used the 17-50?
The 28-135 might be sharp but tbh.. isnt wide enough for me on a crop and Id prefer the larger aperture across the range - added to that the tamron is very very sharp - essentially he could get the tamron and the 28-135 would be completely redundant (it already is for most of its focal length anyway since hes already got a better lens to cover 70-200).
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Surprisingly, yes I have, my brother has the 17-50.
I still prefer the 10-24 plus 28-135 combo. the extra 7mm on the wide end really makes a difference while the missing 4mm isnt really noticeable.
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Im having some real issues sourcing the tamron lenses for a good price at the moment :(
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Surprisingly, yes I have, my brother has the 17-50.
I still prefer the 10-24 plus 28-135 combo. the extra 7mm on the wide end really makes a difference while the missing 4mm isnt really noticeable.
fair enough - tis personal preference I guess
though youre likely in a minority - 24-70 and 70-200 are popular combinations on full frame (1D, 5D)
the 17-50 f2.8 from sigma and tamron and 17-55 f2.8 from canon have effectively been made as a (rough) equivalent and indeed the 50-150 f2.8 lenses - though tbh.. you might as well use a 70-200
I think Id be changing lenses too often with 10-24 and 28-135
given that binary has already got a 70-200 then ditching the 28-135 is a bit of a no-brainer IMO
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For most normal use the 28-135 is a very good lens. The only real reason to switch down is when you absolutely cannot step back to get everything in or you want wide angle nature/construction shots. Similarly the only reason to switch up is if you have a subject that is difficult to get close enough to. You wouldnt normally use the 150-500 for cityscapes or landscapes while you wouldnt use the 10-24 for wildlife photography.
Unless something completely unexpected turns up I hardly switch lenses at all.