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General Discussion / Re: The US Election
« Last post by neXus on March 04, 2021, 01:52:09 AM »
Is it just me or was that CPAC event just totally insanity?

Completely loony. I think the Republicans have completely lost the plot, although the UK Tory party isn't that far behind them because of disaster capitalism and the public having no idea what is going on due to media propaganda.
True.
Literally never been across CPAC before and looked into previous years before Trump and even as president. Even then it was not as crazy but before it was all about policies, how to counter Democratic views. Republicans defiantly not my view liking and some very extreme and more about Rich getting Richer but yeah... This recent one - None of that... Just Insanity.
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General Discussion / Re: The end of Petrol cars has started
« Last post by neXus on March 04, 2021, 01:49:39 AM »
They have to also pass the safety tests and England's are some of the most strict.
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General Discussion / Re: The US Election
« Last post by Serious on March 03, 2021, 10:30:16 AM »
Is it just me or was that CPAC event just totally insanity?

Completely loony. I think the Republicans have completely lost the plot, although the UK Tory party isn't that far behind them because of disaster capitalism and the public having no idea what is going on due to media propaganda.
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General Discussion / Re: The end of Petrol cars has started
« Last post by Serious on March 03, 2021, 10:27:39 AM »
Seems there is a new breed of cheaper electric cars for under £20,000. China has a 60mph city wagon for well under $6K, although could well end up being proven a death trap if tested for EU/American markets. France has a 30MPH oddity for about E6,000, although it looks horrid to me. Ranges seem to be between 70-120 kilometres, enough for most daily commuting but not long distance stuff.

They are also trying to get a new process up and running to purify lithium to increase efficiency from 30% to 90%.

Can't be that dismissive of Chinese car manufacturers, look at who they are.
Maxus (LDV), MG, Rover, Geely, Volvo, London Taxi International, Great Wall etc.  All have joint ventures with the more traditional manufacturers the world over.
Granted, I think there is a lot of copying of homework when you look at some of the cars, but that's not that dissimilar to how a lot of other companies started out.
The fact that China is actively encouraging alternative fuel use speaks volumes.

Most likely the reason these cars are so much cheaper is that the labour is considerably cheaper than here in the west and tariffs are likely lower.


- Some of the reasons why companies are actually pulling out of China is that they have to give the Chinese government all the plans for the product. These then just instantly get used to make copies.
- I am glad China is talking more green, they still have lots of resources but things like the Smog regardless of what it is doing to people and cities when it hits the world news it makes them look bad and in a lot of ways that government cares more about image than anything else. (I know in other cases they also kind of do not care, but China is a weird place in this regard)

There are obvious cost cutting issues to get it that low, such as no airbags and no rear seats or no storage. Doesn't mean it couldn't be put in other markets but might need some work and a price increase. Then you have UK/EU taxes and tariffs.
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General Discussion / Re: The end of Petrol cars has started
« Last post by Serious on March 03, 2021, 10:16:10 AM »
China has a 60mph city wagon for well under $6K, although could well end up being proven a death trap if tested for EU/American markets.

Seems a bit unfair, what's that based on? Most of the higher NCAP ratings now are about driver aids for mongs that shouldn't be on the road - like lane assist - not actual safety features.

It actually doesn't look too bad although only apparently being sold in China. They apparently teamed up with General Motors. This could be a game changer in cities if allowed into UK/EU/America.

I agree there are plenty of mongs on the roads, but then you have plenty of mongs in the UK Tory party in government.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ytqr8T05OU
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General Discussion / Re: The US Election
« Last post by neXus on March 03, 2021, 02:09:58 AM »
Is it just me or was that CPAC event just totally insanity?
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General Discussion / Re: The US Election
« Last post by Serious on February 25, 2021, 08:54:25 AM »
My pillow guy gets sued over election fraud claims, joining quite a few others including Fox News.

All remaining trump lawsuits dismissed by supreme court. If anyone was going to uphold one it was a court loaded by Trump appointees.

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General Discussion / Re: The end of Petrol cars has started
« Last post by neXus on February 24, 2021, 23:49:40 PM »
Seems there is a new breed of cheaper electric cars for under £20,000. China has a 60mph city wagon for well under $6K, although could well end up being proven a death trap if tested for EU/American markets. France has a 30MPH oddity for about E6,000, although it looks horrid to me. Ranges seem to be between 70-120 kilometres, enough for most daily commuting but not long distance stuff.

They are also trying to get a new process up and running to purify lithium to increase efficiency from 30% to 90%.

Can't be that dismissive of Chinese car manufacturers, look at who they are.
Maxus (LDV), MG, Rover, Geely, Volvo, London Taxi International, Great Wall etc.  All have joint ventures with the more traditional manufacturers the world over.
Granted, I think there is a lot of copying of homework when you look at some of the cars, but that's not that dissimilar to how a lot of other companies started out.
The fact that China is actively encouraging alternative fuel use speaks volumes.

Most likely the reason these cars are so much cheaper is that the labour is considerably cheaper than here in the west and tariffs are likely lower.


- Some of the reasons why companies are actually pulling out of China is that they have to give the Chinese government all the plans for the product. These then just instantly get used to make copies.
- I am glad China is talking more green, they still have lots of resources but things like the Smog regardless of what it is doing to people and cities when it hits the world news it makes them look bad and in a lot of ways that government cares more about image than anything else. (I know in other cases they also kind of do not care, but China is a weird place in this regard)
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General Discussion / Re: The end of Petrol cars has started
« Last post by soopahfly on February 24, 2021, 12:53:18 PM »
Seems there is a new breed of cheaper electric cars for under £20,000. China has a 60mph city wagon for well under $6K, although could well end up being proven a death trap if tested for EU/American markets. France has a 30MPH oddity for about E6,000, although it looks horrid to me. Ranges seem to be between 70-120 kilometres, enough for most daily commuting but not long distance stuff.

They are also trying to get a new process up and running to purify lithium to increase efficiency from 30% to 90%.

Can't be that dismissive of Chinese car manufacturers, look at who they are.
Maxus (LDV), MG, Rover, Geely, Volvo, London Taxi International, Great Wall etc.  All have joint ventures with the more traditional manufacturers the world over.
Granted, I think there is a lot of copying of homework when you look at some of the cars, but that's not that dissimilar to how a lot of other companies started out.
The fact that China is actively encouraging alternative fuel use speaks volumes.

Most likely the reason these cars are so much cheaper is that the labour is considerably cheaper than here in the west and tariffs are likely lower.
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General Discussion / Re: The end of Petrol cars has started
« Last post by neXus on February 23, 2021, 03:12:11 AM »
China has a 60mph city wagon for well under $6K, although could well end up being proven a death trap if tested for EU/American markets.

Seems a bit unfair, what's that based on? Most of the higher NCAP ratings now are about driver aids for mongs that shouldn't be on the road - like lane assist - not actual safety features.
True


The other big take away though is that Companies and Governments (less so) are finally going electric and setting goals and green energy is really making ground. With that though....


- Battery tech is still lagging behind so it really needs big investment so more people going down the root for electric cars and everything else hopefully this gets the boost it needs


- Many of the Old rich are in Fossil Fuels. Australia's government ultimately is run by old school media (Murdoch Money) and Coal. These pay the Government pockets basically hence the whole google news facebook news. It is not about what is right or not, it is purely old media vs new.


- That leads to these old school rich and just how out of touch they are. Against all the new in part because it harms their business but they have not and many refused to adapt to changing times and quashing small start ups and so on for years has only got so far and now they are stuck loosing money as everyone else moves around them and they can only lean into the government politicians they fill the pockets with.
Another good example is Texas. Republican ran through and through since pretty much the birth of America. Built their own power grid to avoid lots of stuff, maximise profit and so on. Warned 10 years ago with the last bad winter, ignored it and messed up on multiple levels as a result. Using the media and politicians though making the big push to blame a Green deal that is not even in place for the state and green energy to be at fault. Of course it wasn't and it was all the fossil fuel power stations and other failings all of their own making. My point being though using their politicians  and old school media to fight their failings rather than actually evolving and moving with the times.


- A lot of the old shcool mega rich though are falling further down the rich lists and of course getting older and older and will not be around for that long. I think there are plenty of bumps in the road but I think there is enough to have hope for the future. I think the US election was a lot to do with the old America and people VS everyone who finally want to move on. America can not stick to it's old ways, it costs too much (well not for the rich) and is just outdated that hurts them.
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