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http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/

have a graeme gooch at some of the deals on there...

The Tomac Revolver (2005) XC FS frame looks good at Ã,£500.

Bah, you can get a Nashbar steel frame with free seatpost for Ã,£26. :D

(http://www.nashbar.com/nashbar_photos/medium/NB-SF2.2.gif) (http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=130&subcategory=1176&brand=&sku=14736&storetype=&estoreid=&pagename=)

Quote from: maximusotterBah, you can get a Nashbar steel frame with free seatpost for Ã,£26. :D

yes, i could.

but danny boy is eyeing one of these:


http://www.on-one.co.uk/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=187

If those Pompino Pro rear drops are perfectly horizontal, be aware that your brake adjustment will go out the window each time you adjust the chain tension. Just something to think about. Thats why I like how Surly stayed with semi horizontal drops on the Crosscheck. Otherwise very nice. :)

Quote from: maximusotterIf those Pompino Pro rear drops are perfectly horizontal, be aware that your brake adjustment will go out the window each time you adjust the chain tension. Just something to think about. Thats why I like how Surly stayed with semi horizontal drops on the Crosscheck. Otherwise very nice. :)

my luverly ribble is going to be my full time tri bike and the pomp used to scoot around mancunia and its dirty, rainy streets.

after the rip-roaring success of my on-one 29er i cant wait to get another on-one...

I was looking at surlys but a built up steamroller is way more expensive than the on-one :(

Yeah, its so small of an issue as to price being by far teh biggest deciding factor. You can always run fixed with just a front shorty canti. :lol: I think the on-ones look cooler, tbh, but Id likely get a surly stateside, or even try to source an 80s Tange Miyata touring frame--they build up to be awesome cyclocross/urban monsters. :thumbup:

Looks nice.  I hated the looks of the standard pompino (might have been the bars), but that pro looks mean

Quote from: funkychicken9000Looks nice.  I hated the looks of the standard pompino (might have been the bars), but that pro looks mean

i assume youre talking about the drop style bars, which are slighly flaired (cant remember the proper name), thats one of the main differences betweent that and the pro, the other difference is the black CF fork and the baby blue bar tape on the pro... cant fault either bike though, not at that price.

Indeed.  Out of interest, whats with the brakes?  Look pretty bizarre to me.  Cant see how they better normal cantis really  :?

Quote from: funkychicken9000Indeed.  Out of interest, whats with the brakes?  Look pretty bizarre to me.  

They look like classic cantis to me. Much like the wonderful Dia-Comps on my first mtb, back in 85. :mrgreen:

Quote from: funkychicken9000Indeed.  Out of interest, whats with the brakes?  Look pretty bizarre to me.  Cant see how they better normal cantis really  :?

theyre CX centre pulls, the U style brakes you see on your roadbike were allegedly lined up by shimano to replace centre pulls but ultimately they couldnt beat them for shear power, hence the brakes on the pomp are still used on CX bikes and by some golden oldie mountain bikers, to be honest theyre not a million miles behind bog standard vees in terms of power.

Cantis modulate very nicely, and look swish. Add some bog standard Kool Stop black Eagle Claws, and youve got a classy combo.

(http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000C15FXY.01-A2TE9IQP68MWQU._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_V60437160_.jpg)

Quote from: maximusotterCantis modulate very nicely, and look swish. Add some bog standard Kool Stop black Eagle Claws, and youve got a classy combo.

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quite literally, like throwing an anchor off the back of the bike.

That nashbar one isnt well designed.
I mean, who in the right mind routes cables down under the bottom bracket?  They are open to all kinds of road/mud plop and killing your cables quickly.

Quote from: soopahflyThat nashbar one isnt well designed.
I mean, who in the right mind routes cables down under the bottom bracket?  They are open to all kinds of road/mud plop and killing your cables quickly.

thats the least of your worries on a 26 QUID frame.  :shock:

Very true.
Id consider Ã,£50 to be my lowest price point.

Quote from: soopahflyThat nashbar one isnt well designed.
I mean, who in the right mind routes cables down under the bottom bracket?  They are open to all kinds of road/mud plop and killing your cables quickly.

Er, just about every road bike and traditional mtb frame has under bb routing. With a nylon cable guide and ss cables, its a complete non-issue in any kind of weather. I really dont know what youre going on about.

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Quote from: soopahflyThat nashbar one isnt well designed.
I mean, who in the right mind routes cables down under the bottom bracket?  They are open to all kinds of road/mud plop and killing your cables quickly.

thats the least of your worries on a 26 QUID frame.  :shock:

Meh, dont be a f*cking snob. Its as good of a frame as youll see on a vintage 92 $1200 hardtail. Made in Taiwan in the same goddamn factories as everything else. Why so cheap? Well, theres no branding, the powdercoat is cheap, and its from bog standard steel tubing. Basically they just feed in a bunch of tubes at one end of the line, press a button, and out plop frames of a standard and proven design.

Theyre quite nice for what they are, Ive had a look at them. About 6 pounds, and a good frame for building up a hucker with leftover parts. Theyre 90% as nice and perhaps 500g heavier than the similar, but hyped Surly Instigator.

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Quote from: soopahflyThat nashbar one isnt well designed.
I mean, who in the right mind routes cables down under the bottom bracket?  They are open to all kinds of road/mud plop and killing your cables quickly.

Er, just about every road bike and traditional mtb frame has under bb routing. With a nylon cable guide and ss cables, its a complete non-issue in any kind of weather. I really dont know what youre going on about.

Over here its an issue.  Ive had cables go over a weekend from bottom routed cables.  Its all about detail, mudclearance and forward facing seatclamps.

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Quote from: soopahflyThat nashbar one isnt well designed.
I mean, who in the right mind routes cables down under the bottom bracket?  They are open to all kinds of road/mud plop and killing your cables quickly.

thats the least of your worries on a 26 QUID frame.  :shock:

Meh, dont be a f*cking snob.

get bent, fishstick face!

im anything but a snob, my selling off of my uber pimp XC bike and purchase of the on-one should attest to my new found ethos on expensive mountain bike gear, but a 26 quid frame? i wouldnt touch it with a barge pole...

When i am firing down a quick descent with my bones rattling to f*ck i want to know at the very least that the bike i am on is going to get me down the hill in one piece... my mate had a frame worth a considerable amount more than 26 quid and the constant banging and pranging took its toll (cracks in the chain stay) and i wont go into the story about another lad i knew whos o***** frame gave way on him over a jump and speared his spleen.... Ã,£100 or more- yes, less than that and im suspect about its quality.

That said, if its just for street its ok, but for thumping around off road, id save the coins for something a little bit better.

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Quote from: soopahflyThat nashbar one isnt well designed.
I mean, who in the right mind routes cables down under the bottom bracket?  They are open to all kinds of road/mud plop and killing your cables quickly.

Er, just about every road bike and traditional mtb frame has under bb routing. With a nylon cable guide and ss cables, its a complete non-issue in any kind of weather. I really dont know what youre going on about.

Over here its an issue.  Ive had cables go over a weekend from bottom routed cables.  Its all about detail, mudclearance and forward facing seatclamps.

And Ive had cables go several years with under bb routing, replacing them only as a prophylactic measure--on mtbs, used on woodsy singletrack. If you hose off the bike after a ride and use quality cables, youll never have a problem. Sounds more like user error to me. I really dislike top tube routing from an aesthetic standpoint, and poorly done, it can catch on your shorts. It gives a slight performance advantage only to those that dont take care of their gear properly.

I cant think of a proper cross bike that doesnt have under bb cables, from the Lemond Proprad to the Brodie Romax--all have stainless cables and nylon guides. Sometimes I have to laugh, as you just make sh*t up. :lol:

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Quote from: soopahflyThat nashbar one isnt well designed.
I mean, who in the right mind routes cables down under the bottom bracket?  They are open to all kinds of road/mud plop and killing your cables quickly.

thats the least of your worries on a 26 QUID frame.  :shock:

Meh, dont be a f*cking snob.

get bent, fishstick face!

im anything but a snob, my selling off of my uber pimp XC bike and purchase of the on-one should attest to my new found ethos on expensive mountain bike gear, but a 26 quid frame? i wouldnt touch it with a barge pole...

When i am firing down a quick descent with my bones rattling to f*ck i want to know at the very least that the bike i am on is going to get me down the hill in one piece... my mate had a frame worth a considerable amount more than 26 quid and the constant banging and pranging took its toll (cracks in the chain stay) and i wont go into the story about another lad i knew whos o***** frame gave way on him over a jump and speared his spleen.... Ã,£100 or more- yes, less than that and im suspect about its quality.

That said, if its just for street its ok, but for thumping around off road, id save the coins for something a little bit better.

God you ARE a f*cking snob. :lol: Money can buy design and a good finish, but if you think that the welds on that Nashbar frame are going to be any worse than your On-one, then not only are you kidding yourself, youre ignorant as well. Theyre likely made in Taiwanese factories across the street from each other.

Ive seen said frame built up. Its usually $100 when not on sale. Every bit as nice as frames that cost $400 with brand name decals on them.

When you pay 500-800 for an entry level Kona, Surly, or other hardtail frame, youre paying for design, marketing, small factory runs, better decals, and dealer markup.

Need or want the new design? Sure, pay the cash, nothing wrong with that, but the reality of the bike biz is that the actual mass manufacture of frames in Taiwan doesnt cost jack.

So for somebody that wanted to build up a sorta retro hardtail--one that could stand hard use--as name brand decals dont somehow impart strength (dont know what planet you were on when speculating about safety)--getting a Nahbar frame, here in the US of A is quite common, instead of sourcing an older frame that may indeed have hidden damage that could be a liability.

Does paying 5-800 for a frame get you a lot more? Well, if a more modern design and a lighter tubset are worth it to you, go right ahead. They weigh a pound more than the name brands. Thats a very expensive pound.

There are values in cycling, like cheapie Tektro brakes, nitto handlebars, and in the States, generic Nashbar frames. Even lite bike shop wrenches will admit to that. Please know what the hell youre talking about before trying to argue an impossible point next time, eh? :lol:

Im not poo-pooing the frame, as I know you can get good frames at the lower price points.  I just think things like the cable routing is something to be looked at.  Just because the cable guides go along the top tube doesnt mean they go on the top of the tube.

Ive never had issue with cables that run under the top tube.  Obviously youve never really seen a UK wooded single track.  You can be ankle deep in mud, so your drivechain gets covered.  A hose off would cure the mud in the chain, and majority of the rest but the mud dragged into the rest of the cable system from the rest of the ride is something that happens with that style.

At the end of the day, the frames cheap.  You want neater better designed cable runs? buy a more expensive frame.

And calling Badabing a snob is a bit off.  When it comes to bikes, Im the snob.
I stripped down and sold my old Giant because of the name.  Its bad I know.  There was nothing wrong with the bike.  I just like my brands.  People drive fancy cars and have fancy clothes.  I like my fancy bikes.

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Quote from: soopahflyThat nashbar one isnt well designed.
I mean, who in the right mind routes cables down under the bottom bracket?  They are open to all kinds of road/mud plop and killing your cables quickly.

thats the least of your worries on a 26 QUID frame.  :shock:

Meh, dont be a f*cking snob.

get bent, fishstick face!

im anything but a snob, my selling off of my uber pimp XC bike and purchase of the on-one should attest to my new found ethos on expensive mountain bike gear, but a 26 quid frame? i wouldnt touch it with a barge pole...

When i am firing down a quick descent with my bones rattling to f*ck i want to know at the very least that the bike i am on is going to get me down the hill in one piece... my mate had a frame worth a considerable amount more than 26 quid and the constant banging and pranging took its toll (cracks in the chain stay) and i wont go into the story about another lad i knew whos o***** frame gave way on him over a jump and speared his spleen.... Ã,£100 or more- yes, less than that and im suspect about its quality.

That said, if its just for street its ok, but for thumping around off road, id save the coins for something a little bit better.

God you ARE a f*cking snob. :lol:

and you smell of wee... the wee of a 18 year old female russian student, living in tunbridge wells, whos been out on the lash the night before and had 13 bottles of alcopop and a keebab...

there are things in life you are going to have to deal with,

1) youre not always going to be right, youre american for f*cks sake, when DO you lot get things right, come to think of it.

2) not everyone, as a result of 1) (see above) is going to agree with your gypsie mentality on buying cycle bits... id rather ride my gay uncle johnnys love javelin than that frame, maybe, because as you say, i do still have a slight snobby streak, but also the fact that i am not a shell suit wearing illegal immigrant and only have half a crown to buy a bike... Its NOT going to be as good as an on-one for example - either geometry, weight or build-wise...

but im not going to convince you otherwise, so we will have to agree to disagree...


and you still smell of wee AND you have the face of a goat and the body of a hippo.

wibble.

Quote from: Badabingand you smell of wee... the wee of a 18 year old female russian student, living in tunbridge wells, whos been out on the lash the night before and had 13 bottles of alcopop and a keebab...

there are things in life you are going to have to deal with,

1) youre not always going to be right, youre american for f*cks sake, when DO you lot get things right, come to think of it.

Well, to begin with, Im a Swede living in the states, and if I have to keep reminding you of that, then the congnitive dissonance is palpable. :lol:

Quote from: Badabing2) not everyone, as a result of 1) (see above) is going to agree with your gypsie mentality on buying cycle bits... id rather ride my gay uncle johnnys love javelin than that frame, maybe, because as you say, i do still have a slight snobby streak, but also the fact that i am not a shell suit wearing illegal immigrant and only have half a crown to buy a bike... Its NOT going to be as good as an on-one for example - either geometry, weight or build-wise...

You dont have a leg to stand on build-wise or geometry wise. Ive seen it up close, the welds are as tight as any other lugless steel pup these days. Geometry is industry standard. Tubeset is either Tange, or generic cromo butted stuff. Youre not getting 853 of course. Does the On-One fit and feel right? Then its the right bike. Youve already gotten the post purchase thumbs up from me. Can you get a cool niner frame with a good warranty for $100? Uh, no. Not claiming that you can.

Im not a gypsie when it comes to bikes, Ive bought plenty of new bikes, a Trek 1200, a Trek Antelope (dating myself), several high end city bikes including my old Marin, my current Brodie, and so on. Ive also ridden thrift shop stuff that got built up on the cheap. Ive ridden bikes I found on the side of the road. Ive ridden a womans Motobecane mixte with flowers painted on it. What matters? Fit and assembly. Ball bearings. Wheel tension. Chain line. Tire pressure. Far after those things, you get things like frame composition and actual design. Apply all this to cross country riding, road, and commuting btw, I dont claim to know jack about downhilling. :lol: Now theres a place where the Salvation Army frame might let you down. :D

Quote from: Badabingbut im not going to convince you otherwise, so we will have to agree to disagree...


and you still smell of wee AND you have the face of a goat and the body of a hippo.

wibble.

Your mother is a hamster.

/tries to work out who is the biggest hypocrite between maxi and Badabing...

/fails miserably...