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Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Badabing on April 26, 2006, 11:58:05 AM
...on my MTB.... :!:

New crankset, (Middleburn RS7 (?)), DMR converter and single sprocket.... Bye, bye XT/LX derailleurs and shifters, hello pure simplicity...

I cant be bothered maintaining the drivetrain anymore, its constantly getting hammered and full of mud - the chain skipped last week on a ride, due to the rear mech going tits up, as a result i slammed my tea and sugar on the crossbar.... not a happy bunny.  :shock:

Anyway, gears are for gayers and people who like flower arranging...... or flower arranging gayers....

 ;)

Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: maximusotter on April 26, 2006, 17:56:50 PM
"Isnt it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles than by the artifice of a derailleur?" -- Henri Desgrange.

:D

I like gears on my city bike, nice for hauling 50# of groceries up the local hill, but for training, singlespeed is indeed zen. It also makes you a much stronger rider. I relized this once again a couple days ago. A small peloton of  3-4 guys on schmancy carbonic Bianciiocolnagos crept up behind me as I was snaking through some peds on the local wetland trail. "On your left!" As I left the thicket and could get up to speed, of course I yielded right...and waited for them to pass. I could hear their annoyingly loud waxed drivetrains, and for three miles, I rode my regular hard pace, on the far right, waiting for them to pass...by mile four, the drivetrain clatter faded and disappeared, by mile five it was just me and my 42X16 and virtual silence save for wind. Ahhhhh. :D
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: maximusotter on April 26, 2006, 17:58:35 PM
I wouldnt do a new crank unless theres some issue I"m ignernt of--put the middle ring on the outside, fasten with bmx bolts and dispense with the granny. Youll likely want your rear sprocket2-4 spacers in from the lockring to get optimum chainline.
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Badabing on April 26, 2006, 17:59:19 PM
Quote from: maximusotter
"Isnt it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles than by the artifice of a derailleur?" -- Henri Desgrange.

:D

I like gears on my city bike, nice for hauling 50# of groceries up the local hill, but for training, singlespeed is indeed zen. It also makes you a much stronger rider. I relized this once again a couple days ago. A small peloton of  3-4 guys on schmancy carbonic Bianciiocolnagos crept up behind me as I was snaking through some peds on the local wetland trail. "On your left!" As I left the thicket and could get up to speed, of course I yielded right...and waited for them to pass. I could hear their annoyingly loud waxed drivetrains, and for three miles, I rode my regular hard pace, on the far right, waiting for them to pass...by mile four, the drivetrain clatter faded and disappeared, by mile five it was just me and my 42X16 and virtual silence save for wind. Ahhhhh. :D


Its going to be cool to try as my frame, (Santa Cruz Chameleon) has the BMXy type dropouts - designed with singlespeed in mind...

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/singlespeed.html

For anyone who is interested in SS.
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Badabing on April 26, 2006, 18:00:27 PM
Quote from: maximusotter
I wouldnt do a new crank unless theres some issue I"m ignernt of--put the middle ring on the outside, fasten with bmx bolts and dispense with the granny. Youll likely want your rear sprocket2-4 spacers in from the lockring to get optimum chainline.


Ive always wanted a nice middleburn crankset and as i was rejigging my bike i thought id go for one - its even designed for singlespeeders... why not? :)
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: DEViANCE on April 26, 2006, 18:01:32 PM
maybe i am just not enough of a hardcore rider but what is the point of single speed?

why not just have gears and dont change them? that is what i do if i want to push myself, and then if i want to take it easy for abit i can.
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Badabing on April 26, 2006, 18:04:11 PM
Quote from: DEViANCE
maybe i am just not enough of a hardcore rider but what is the point of single speed?

why not just have gears and dont change them? that is what i do if i want to push myself, and then if i want to take it easy for abit i can.


1) Weight, if youre nor using them (as i dont), why carry the extra weight?
2) reliability, i dont change much, i usually stick in one gear and spin the cranks, if the drivetrain gets gunked up like it did last week, its a PITA...
3) Using a SS, as max says, teaches you how to ride properly and will make you seriously fit... which is what i want.
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: brummie on April 26, 2006, 18:05:17 PM
Quote from: Badabing
Quote from: DEViANCE
maybe i am just not enough of a hardcore rider but what is the point of single speed?

why not just have gears and dont change them? that is what i do if i want to push myself, and then if i want to take it easy for abit i can.


1) Weight, if youre nor using them (as i dont), why carry the extra weight?
2) reliability, i dont change much, i usually stick in one gear and spin the cranks, if the drivetrain gets gunked up like it did last week, its a PITA...
3) Using a SS, as max says, teaches you how to ride properly and will make you seriously fit... which is what i want.


but you can get a bit fitter by carrying that extra weight the gears provide  :D
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Badabing on April 26, 2006, 18:06:39 PM
Quote from: brummie
Quote from: Badabing
Quote from: DEViANCE
maybe i am just not enough of a hardcore rider but what is the point of single speed?

why not just have gears and dont change them? that is what i do if i want to push myself, and then if i want to take it easy for abit i can.


1) Weight, if youre nor using them (as i dont), why carry the extra weight?
2) reliability, i dont change much, i usually stick in one gear and spin the cranks, if the drivetrain gets gunked up like it did last week, its a PITA...
3) Using a SS, as max says, teaches you how to ride properly and will make you seriously fit... which is what i want.


but you can get a bit fitter by carrying that extra weight the gears provide  :D


watch it, fatty...  ;)
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: maximusotter on April 26, 2006, 18:10:48 PM
Single speed kicks your ass and says "NO EXUSES FOR YOU, MISTER!!". The bike or gear is no longer an excuse--it disappears and its all about you and your legs. Climb? You better attack that hill as you cant spin up. Downhill? Better practice a smooth cadence as youll be bouncing if not. Reliability, silence, simplicity, elegance...youll be amazed the amount of brain space is devoted to shifting when you quit.

Im not anti gears, just think that for training every day and riding for fun--they just are fiddly, expensive, and occupy brain space thats better reserved for going "Wheeeeeeeeeeee!".
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: maximusotter on April 26, 2006, 18:19:17 PM
Quote from: Badabing


Its going to be cool to try as my frame, (Santa Cruz Chameleon) has the BMXy type dropouts - designed with singlespeed in mind...


[mrburns] Excellent! [/mrburns]
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Ceathreamhnan on April 26, 2006, 18:25:54 PM
Max is paying you to say all this isnt he? :P
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: maximusotter on April 26, 2006, 18:57:41 PM
Pigs do fly! Im using KDE/Linux atm, your unpronouncableness.
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: funkychicken9000 on April 26, 2006, 21:08:44 PM
OK, convince me!

I noticed today that the deraillier on my peugeot rubs on the spokes when im in a low gear :D  Seeing as the only time the bike comes out of its very highest is when I want to burn away at the lights, I reckon its a good candidate for getting rid of the blubbery bits.  How much money?  How much effort on an old french non-standard racer?

And given that I usually stick on the biggest front cog and smallest rear cog in flat old cambridge, what should I rid myself of?
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Serious on April 26, 2006, 21:09:51 PM
I think I will stay with the gears...  8)
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: soopahfly on April 26, 2006, 21:45:37 PM
Me too,  Singlespeed is a phase, youll grow out of it and realise the superiority of gears.

I went SS whilst I waited for BETD/Goldtech to make me some stronger hangers, SS takes all the skill out of riding.  Planning ahead for what gear to be in, whether it will give you the best start or not.


(http://www.carnassiers.com/sommaire/perfectionnement/materiel/nouveau/lucky-craft/real-bait.jpg)
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: maximusotter on April 26, 2006, 21:49:31 PM
Quote from: funkychicken9000
OK, convince me!

I noticed today that the deraillier on my peugeot rubs on the spokes when im in a low gear :D  Seeing as the only time the bike comes out of its very highest is when I want to burn away at the lights, I reckon its a good candidate for getting rid of the blubbery bits.  How much money?  How much effort on an old french non-standard racer?


Most likely a threaded freewheel. Youll want to have a shop remove it, or get a tool and do it yourself. Replace it with a bmx freewheel. Notice that your chainline is nuts. Take bike to shop and have them redish the wheel and move the axel so the chainline is better. This will also have the consequence of making your wheel stronger as it removes dish.

If youre a bit crazy, thread on a track cog with locking compound. Tada! Youve got a fixed gear. Yes you can potentially unscrew the rear cog as theres no provision for a lock ring, but after a hard ride, itll be dang tight and difficult to move.

If its a cassette, remove, get some spacers, slap on a Shimano DX cog somewhere in the shuffle, tighten down wiht lock ring.

Get bmx chainring bolts, remove large ring, put small (42) on outside, attach with the new shorter bolts.

Put on your new chain. Whatever you want short of a 10 spd chain. Cheap bmx chains are fine, as are inexpensive derailleur chaings. Single speeds dont care much.

42x16 is virtually perfect for everybody for street riding, but do change as needed. I sometimes rock a 17T rear in winter.

So the short list
1. Make rear wheel into single speed wheel
2. Remove derailleurs and cables.
3. Convert crank into single speed.
4. String up new chain.
5. Adjust chain tension, not crucial on a single, but essential with fixies

Cost in dollars:
15 redish and move axle, labor.
15 bmx freewheel
10 new cheap chain
5 chainring bolts

bout fifty clams and you get a virtually maintenance free ride. :thumbup:
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: soopahfly on April 26, 2006, 21:52:56 PM
Lol, BMX chains are for fairys.
My old bmx had an o-ring MX chain :D
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: maximusotter on April 26, 2006, 21:55:39 PM
Quote from: soopahfly
Me too,  Singlespeed is a phase, youll grow out of it and realise the superiority of gears.

I went SS whilst I waited for BETD/Goldtech to make me some stronger hangers, SS takes all the skill out of riding.  Planning ahead for what gear to be in, whether it will give you the best start or not.


Ive been single speeding on and off for a decade. Its not a phase, its a style of bike. I invite you to visit Chicago, NYC, Philly and look at what the veteran messengers use. Usually fixies, but almost always singles.  Part of it is affectation, but its mainly functional--you can dedicate more brain cells to staying undead.

If you think it takes the skill out of riding, Id have you watch my bud Justin race cxcross on his fixed gear--he routinely beats geared bikes as he indeed thinks way ahead of them. By artificially handicapping himself, he has become a much smarter rider.

Use gears or not, just dont be dismissive of one or the other.  In my world internal hubs are good for fetching milk, geared bikes are fine for that as well, and also good for racing and some training. Singles are great for utility bikes, bikes with less theft appeal, and especially for training.
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: maximusotter on April 26, 2006, 21:56:28 PM
Quote from: soopahfly
Lol, BMX chains are for fairys.


Really? Qualify that idiotic statement. Most queers around here rollerblade anyway.
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: soopahfly on April 26, 2006, 22:01:50 PM
Wow, Max has a short teather tonight!

You obviously missed my bait picture.  And it works! I got a bite :)

/me reels max in.
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Badabing on April 26, 2006, 22:10:55 PM
Its a done deal, im going SS, im a physical monster, ill climb any hill or descend any mountain on a single gear... no problem... i am the man... youll see... YOU WILL FEAR MY 100KG CALF MUSCLES.
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: maximusotter on April 26, 2006, 22:12:02 PM
Soop, I just dont like your consistent "everybody should have a bike just like mine with Deore XT and everything else suxxors and is for stupid homos" juvenile attitude about bikes.

;)
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: soopahfly on April 26, 2006, 22:14:42 PM
I dont have that opinion Max.
And anyway, I have XTR, XT is just isnt pimp enough.
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: maximusotter on April 26, 2006, 22:14:57 PM
Quote from: Badabing
Its a done deal, im going SS, im a physical monster, ill climb any hill or descend any mountain on a single gear... no problem... i am the man... youll see... YOU WILL FEAR MY 100KG CALF MUSCLES.


From now on you will be known far and wide as Veal-Boi! Children will throw flower petals in your path, and you will crush them with your uberosity!
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: soopahfly on April 26, 2006, 22:17:32 PM
Badabing!  Dont go towards the light!!!!
(http://www.dirtmag.co.uk/news_pages/newsimages/dec21/sram.jpg)
Its calling you!



And max can treat himself to a Pompino
http://www.on-one.co.uk/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=4&MMN_position=12:12
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: maximusotter on April 26, 2006, 22:21:49 PM
All the carbon in the world doesnt make up for an inefficient chainline and pulley drag. 8)

Nice single speed though, for the North American market the best bang for the buck is th Gunnar Street Dog:

http://www.gunnarbikes.com/streetdog.php

(http://www.gunnarbikes.com/images/gsdfull1.jpg)

I hate those bars, tho.
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: soopahfly on April 26, 2006, 22:22:57 PM
No, but the gold plating does :D
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: maximusotter on April 26, 2006, 22:27:26 PM
Quote from: soopahfly
No, but the gold plating does :D


Pshaw, red bikes are faster. ;)
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: soopahfly on April 26, 2006, 22:28:17 PM
I know, my old team bikes were red.
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Serious on April 26, 2006, 22:28:41 PM
The main reason I dont go single gear is simply that the land is hilly around here, some banks are 1 in 5 or so, not exactly the easiest to get a bike up.

Its not like everywhere is flat American plains land  :mrgreen:  :P
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: maximusotter on April 26, 2006, 22:34:25 PM
I ride many hills around here--steep with switchbacks, on my single. Just stand. The Warner parks switchbacks are so steep as to require at least a 34/25 on a road bike, and you go so slow that you almost tip over, but I dont ride there as its in way boring old money Belle Meade. Al Gore lives over there though.

http://www.nashville.gov/parks/warner.htm#
http://www.bellemeadeplantation.com/
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Badabing on April 26, 2006, 22:37:58 PM
Quote from: soopahfly
Badabing!  Dont go towards the light!!!!
(http://www.dirtmag.co.uk/news_pages/newsimages/dec21/sram.jpg)
Its calling you!



And max can treat himself to a Pompino
http://www.on-one.co.uk/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=4&MMN_position=12:12


So is this!

(http://www.chrisking.com/hubs/sspeed_disc_images/230W/orangeSSA.jpg)


drooooooooooooooool.
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Serious on April 26, 2006, 22:41:06 PM
Quote from: maximusotter
I ride many hills around here--steep with switchbacks, on my single. Just stand. The Warner parks switchbacks are so steep as to require at least a 34/25 on a road bike, and you go so slow that you almost tip over, but I dont ride there as its in way boring old money Belle Meade. Al Gore lives over there though.

http://www.nashville.gov/parks/warner.htm#
http://www.bellemeadeplantation.com/


I used to do that, my first bikes were single speeds, then I ended up with arthritis and I got a racer that had a high set of gearing ratios, the lowest was just about OK for hill climbs and the highest pushed it for downhill use. Now its just too painful to use a single gear, I would have to push uphill.
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: maximusotter on April 26, 2006, 22:45:19 PM
Chris Kink, White Industries, Phil Wood: too much quality, cause we know ya cant resist. 8)

Fortunately road riding doesnt require anything fancy in the way of hubs. Im riding rebuilt bottom barrel Shimano 2200 (sora) converted to single. If you repack them with good 25 grade bearings, its a stealth way to do it on the cheap. Mmmmm, buttery.

Now, I wouldnt mind a vintage set of Campy pista high-flange hubs. :slobber:

(http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3561856/1132191190400_hub_campy_crecord_rear_track.jpg)
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: maximusotter on April 26, 2006, 22:47:11 PM
Quote from: Serious

I used to do that, my first bikes were single speeds, then I ended up with arthritis and I got a racer that had a high set of gearing ratios, the lowest was just about OK for hill climbs and the highest pushed it for downhill use. Now its just too painful to use a single gear, I would have to push uphill.


My riding route is definitely not one for the arthritic or weak kneed. :mrgreen: My cadence varies wildly, Ill do 20rpm on climbs and 120rpm descents. :lol:
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Badabing on April 26, 2006, 23:48:14 PM
Max, what sort of ratio would you go for considering itll be up and down hill stuff i will be doing - mainly fast trail riding.... no MAJOR ascents or descents..
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: maximusotter on April 26, 2006, 23:55:54 PM
I ride 42/16 which is ~2.6/1, but thats street and with 700c wheels. Most offroaders do 2:1, and 32/16 is a popular combo. You might want tougher gearing for your little moo-children. :lol: Better too low than too high, imho--but do what feels right.
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Badabing on April 27, 2006, 00:01:47 AM
Quote from: maximusotter
I ride 42/16 which is ~2.6/1, but thats street and with 700c wheels. Most offroaders do 2:1, and 32/16 is a popular combo. You might want tougher gearing for your little moo-children. :lol: Better too low than too high, imho--but do what feels right.


32/16 (2:1) sounds right, from what ive read... ill give it a go! :D
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: maximusotter on April 27, 2006, 00:13:45 AM
your conversion kit comes with a 16T. ;)

Id get a couple more Shimano DX cogs for fun and giggles. You should be able to go up or down 2 teeth with the same size chain. Bring a chain whip and lockring tool in yer camelpack and experiment trailside. ;) :mrgreen:

DX cogs come in:    14T,15T,16T,18T

Wiggle has gusset brand cogs in 14, 16, 18 and 20t for  Ã‚£3.99.

Despite what anybody says, do not try to break your cassette and use hyperglide cogs--your chain will jump and you will get hurted. Old 80s Uniglide cassette cogs, however, work great.
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Badabing on April 27, 2006, 00:50:44 AM
DONE....

Ordered the middleburn RS7 crank: http://www.middleburn.co.uk/cranks_rs7.php and the Uno (for singlespeeders) spider...

Cant wait to try it...
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: maximusotter on April 27, 2006, 00:59:43 AM
Ohh, bash ring! Youll have a drive train that makes Chuck Norris cry. :lol:
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Badabing on April 27, 2006, 01:01:10 AM
Quote from: maximusotter
Ohh, bash ring! Youll have a drive train that makes Chuck Norris cry. :lol:


 :?:  :shock:
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: maximusotter on April 27, 2006, 01:08:41 AM
Quote from: Badabing
Quote from: maximusotter
Ohh, bash ring! Youll have a drive train that makes Chuck Norris cry. :lol:


 :?:  :shock:


Youll boulder jump like Jack Baur torturing terrorists, like Arnie wielding two AK47-s, like the Gravedigger crushing cars!

:lol:

(http://www.monstertruckracing.com/gravedigger/gravedigger47.jpg)

I have seen Gravedigger live, btw, at the Seattle Kingdome. I took a reluctant hippie chick, but by the end she was screaming "go Gravedigger, GO!" :lol:
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Serious on April 27, 2006, 01:11:16 AM
Quote from: maximusotter
Ohh, bash ring! Youll have a drive train that makes Chuck Norris cry. :lol:


Chuck Norris doesnt cry, he just makes other people do that...
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Badabing on April 27, 2006, 01:35:09 AM
Quote from: maximusotter

(http://www.monstertruckracing.com/gravedigger/gravedigger47.jpg)


i wonder if i could get a bike in the back of that?

http://www.tekforums.co.uk/posts/list/942.page
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: maximusotter on May 03, 2006, 23:13:09 PM
Vell, update us! Or are you too busy riding the dang thing??

(http://static.flickr.com/48/139967276_7ae5cfba04.jpg)
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Badabing on May 04, 2006, 13:12:56 PM
Quote from: maximusotter
Vell, update us! Or are you too busy riding the dang thing??

(http://static.flickr.com/48/139967276_7ae5cfba04.jpg)


ive stripped the bike down and have tidied it up.

had a bit of a problem with the crankset;

(http://www.parktool.com/images_inc/repair_help/crankcass.jpg)

I had a problem tightening the lockring (see diagram). I managed to tighten it, but it wasnt fixed properly, i took it to my bike shop, they werent much use - they didnt have an appropriate tool, either...

I should have it sorted, by the weekend, and be able to give it a test run.
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: maximusotter on May 04, 2006, 15:08:31 PM
Im completely unfamiliar with such a design, but it seems that lockring could be tightened with a pin spanner, or even channel lock pliers if you wanted to get sloppy and mark it up a little.

Did it come with a proprietary bottom bracket?
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Badabing on May 04, 2006, 15:41:08 PM
Quote from: maximusotter
Im completely unfamiliar with such a design, but it seems that lockring could be tightened with a pin spanner, or even channel lock pliers if you wanted to get sloppy and mark it up a little.

Did it come with a proprietary bottom bracket?


No, its a standard shimano fit, the lockring system is the same design as on my Deore LX crankset...
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: maximusotter on May 04, 2006, 16:22:12 PM
Quote from: Badabing

No, its a standard shimano fit, the lockring system is the same design as on my Deore LX crankset...


No sh*t, I took another look, you just need a Shimano bottom bracket tool to tighten that. Its a really common tool, Ive just been out of the loop with either cup and cone or cartridge BBs for the past few years so it didnt slap me in the face immediately.

If your local bike shop doesnt have a Shimano BB tool, theyre quite silly and you should point and laugh at them.
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Ceathreamhnan on May 04, 2006, 18:08:22 PM
You need a really big spanner to use with the Shim BB tool also, btw.

/not suggesting that Badabing is a really big spanner...;)
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: soopahfly on May 04, 2006, 19:14:23 PM
Nope, Vice or Adjustable will do nicely
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Badabing on May 05, 2006, 13:19:11 PM
gah!

:(

I tried to fit the crankset on last night, but have hit a snag; i am using self extracting crankbolts, when i torque up the bolts they basically compress the crankset [the new one] onto the bottom bracket shell, stopping the cranks from turning.

I used the same bolts on the Deore LX crankset and it works - the crankset is tightened up and can move freely. The problem is the Middleburn lockring on my new crankset is flat, whereas the deore LX has a raised centre, this centre acts as a spacer, effectively stopping the lockring from compressing onto the bottom bracket shell. Im now wondering whether or not i need a new BB, or can i remove the lockring off the Deore LX unit and use it on the new one, the question being, why didnt the new one come with such a lockring in the first place?

 :roll:
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: maximusotter on May 05, 2006, 16:36:19 PM
Simplest solution would be to get some short ring bolts, covert the LX kit to a single ring, and either return or sell the Middleburn stoff on fleabay.

Id run by a bike shop and have a gab as well, perhaps theres a BB thats got a bit more Q factor and wont be as estupido in its relation to the Middleburn cranks as the current set.

There may be simpler solution, but unless ya take a picture and post, my Cretaceous brain cant really get enough lizard meat to digest the problem.
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Badabing on May 05, 2006, 17:01:15 PM
Quote from: maximusotter
Simplest solution would be to get some short ring bolts, covert the LX kit to a single ring, and either return or sell the Middleburn stoff on fleabay.

Id run by a bike shop and have a gab as well, perhaps theres a BB thats got a bit more Q factor and wont be as estupido in its relation to the Middleburn cranks as the current set.

There may be simpler solution, but unless ya take a picture and post, my Cretaceous brain cant really get enough lizard meat to digest the problem.


Im going to fling the bike in the bike of the Micra tomorrow and drive up to a bike shop and see what they suggest...  :?
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Badabing on May 07, 2006, 14:38:54 PM
i am cursed....  

Whipped the old 9-speed block off the backwheel - no problems, 10 second job. Put the spacers on the hub, put the single sprocket on, lock the lockring back on. There was a fair bit of play, so i decided to add the remaining spacers - problems begin. :(

As i turn the lockring removing tool anti-clockwise, the whole shabbang moves with the moment of force! i.e. it freely rotates as if something isnt meshing, obviously the sprocket doesnt move as it is secured by the chain whip. I know ive dropped a clanger somewhere, but how the hell do i remove the lockring now?!

(http://static.flickr.com/53/141952489_98266faf72_b.jpg)

The DMR spacer and the toothed sprocket type component to the left of it rotates freely.
Title: Re:I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Serious on May 07, 2006, 16:32:08 PM
Only time I got something like that I used an oil filter remover to hold it.

You might get the same effect from a jar opener, looks like in the link below but I got 2 for £1 from a pound store :)

http://www.store-shop.com/jar-opener.html
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: maximusotter on May 07, 2006, 19:49:57 PM
Sounds like its not engaged the threads and should just jiggle off.

From what most singles Ive converted over the years have taught me, youre cog seems a bit too far outboard for typical chainlines. It could be right on, so take that with a grain of salt, Ive just never seen one so far out.

Almost always the position ends up being, using your particular spacers in the pic: big spacer, little spacer, cog, little spacer, lockring.

If the final spacer is a bit too much, break apart a cassette and recycle the spacers. Srams have a hex screw on the back, Shimanos require grinding off a pop rivet.

Indeed, something that should have taken 20 minutes is proving to be a bit crazy. :lol:
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Badabing on May 07, 2006, 20:00:14 PM
Quote from: maximusotter
Sounds like its not engaged the threads and should just jiggle off.

From what most singles Ive converted over the years have taught me, youre cog seems a bit too far outboard for typical chainlines. It could be right on, so take that with a grain of salt, Ive just never seen one so far out.

Almost always the position ends up being, using your particular spacers in the pic: big spacer, little spacer, cog, little spacer, lockring.

If the final spacer is a bit too much, break apart a cassette and recycle the spacers. Srams have a hex screw on the back, Shimanos require grinding off a pop rivet.

Indeed, something that should have taken 20 minutes is proving to be a bit crazy. :lol:


Yeah, i put it together to assertain how it worked, thinking that adjusting it would a walk in the park, but the damned thing will not move! its certainly not going to "jiggle off"... :(
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: maximusotter on May 07, 2006, 20:10:57 PM
crossed threads?
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Badabing on May 07, 2006, 21:08:49 PM
Quote from: maximusotter
crossed threads?


if it is crossed threads, how do i remedy this?
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: maximusotter on May 08, 2006, 01:03:35 AM
You have to see if theyre crossed. With the wheel horizontal on a work surface, does the lock ring appear to be tilted? Then its crossed all right. If it were my bike, Id just wail on it till it came off, but I ride le cheap wheels. Then grease the threads, and carefully thread it back on properly and it should act as its own tap n die. If you killed it, which I doubt, you can replace freehub without rebuilding on a new hub.

Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Badabing on May 08, 2006, 01:10:24 AM
Quote from: maximusotter
You have to see if theyre crossed. With the wheel horizontal on a work surface, does the lock ring appear to be tilted? Then its crossed all right. If it were my bike, Id just wail on it till it came off, but I ride le cheap wheels. Then grease the threads, and carefully thread it back on properly and it should act as its own tap n die. If you killed it, which I doubt, you can replace freehub without rebuilding on a new hub.



it looks to be crossed, the major problem is the damned sprocket can rotate freely either way! HELP!
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: maximusotter on May 08, 2006, 02:00:01 AM
Being as far outboard as you assembled it, I doubt its engaging with any splines, thus, turniness.
Title: I am going Single Speed...
Post by: Badabing on May 08, 2006, 02:00:56 AM
Quote from: maximusotter
Being as far outboard as you assembled it, I doubt its engaging with any splines, thus, turniness.


im beggining to sweat like a pregnant nun, here...

I suppose all i can do is take it to a bike shop and see what they can do?